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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: Deranged on December 20, 2007, 09:09:47 PM
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Surprised it hasn't been reported before(seeing as their movement is horrible yet they somehow managed to beat(or almost beat) Ij)...
The clan in question is ]MT[, both members(triks and mag1c)
I have attached a demo that includes more than one instance of happenings like. triks disconnecting so mag1c is without recon, me crouching through hibd while mag1c was in his base the whole time, and mag1c spraying me in two shots. Another time in the demo(also sans-recon) I'm coming up from 2 and mag1c does a 90 degree turn to shoot me in the face.
I encourage other players in the match to post their demos(most importantly, zudd)
He blames it on "hearing", but due to the fact that dp has slim-to-no 3d sound, I'd have to put my doubts there. Also Ride was crouching up bd at one time and mag1c was just glaring at him the whole time through the wall.
If I'm wrong about this, and these nonames that appeared out of nowhere and can't move faster than half a mile per hour yet kill me in two shots aren't hacking, then sorry for the accusations.
Server: 69.93.11.66:27917 (GT CLASSIC MATCH 4)
Time: Around 8:25 pm, central time 12/20/07
Thinking it might be an older quake 2 hack, or a new hack that isn't yet in the detections.
Possible times of blatant hacking in MY demo:
WATCH FOR THEM GLARING THROUGH WALLS
The most obvious times are starred
19:30(starts spraying our window as I'm about to jump up)
**18:12(What's he looking at? oh.. major is sitting on the Y)
17:46(one shot in the face, no recon)
17:13(look at him watch major come up bd with speed with a gradual turn haha)
16:28(that's a nice place to spray randomly)
**13:44(two shots in the face coming up ladder 2)
13:06(lol)
12:50(staring at me coming off cat)
**11:33(runs forward, shoots twice, boom headshot)
from 11:00 to 10:20(lining right under zudd the whole time)
10:05(spraying hibd for no apparent reason)
**8:46(watching zudd through bd wall)
**8:27(knew he jumped bd without seeing him do the jump)
7:40(randomly runs from bd to spray fd and then back to bd)
6:40(maybe not, watching window intently)
6:25(staring through bd as he comes around corner, not looking through windows_
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it was really obvious because ive seen these kids in pubs and they were horrid...and the server was
69.93.11.66:27917
between 9 and 10pm on dec 20 2007
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Wow...
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Or maybe it's just that Jitspoe is gone and hasn't dealt with it yet.
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That's also a possibility. Just to add to this, we beat them like 50-5 just as short as maybe 6 weeks ago. And now they're magically thousands of times better.
As for the "it's not possible" mentality, jitspoe's hack detection is just a registry of known, oftenly used bots and hacks, it doesn't detect everything.
Blind faith in software is just foolishness :P
EDIT: we're compiling a list of times in the demo when the hacking was most obvious
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demo ...
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Yeah we matched them to and they did seem to have some sort of zgh. Like its like they know where your goin at all times.
Even though we won, we still was kind of curious. Not enough to guarantee they was hacking.
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times from deranged's demo
18:08 17:46 17:20 16:28 14:44 13:44 13:06 12:48 11:33 11:-10:30 10:30-9:30 7:40 6:40 6:25
these are the times that i have seen that looked suspicious most was 18:08 i think and also ride was annoying in this match lOl
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no need to post up multiple demos. if it was obvious in the first one. it was obvious. when jitspoe returns he will deal with it.
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I also noticed how much of an ass you were to your clan. But that's besides the point. As far as the demo goes, I would be able to do a lot of that just using my surround sound, but some of it did seem fishy.
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I will state that although we have beaten them every-time bling and other cF members have camera'd them and made the same statements that deranged has. I will try to get demo's if you like. Just stating that even while winning same comments have been made and I can say we have matched them at least 8 times. Few shots had me scratching my head. To be honest I lag so often for some reason in DP it is hard for me to declare what is them and what is my connection. Hence why I would rely more on bling and other demo's.
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i think he may also be using an aim hack in the match because im watching him in a pub right now ill piost demo later and he has worse aim than a dog
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time 10:30-11 dec 20 gt pub same guy after the match
notice that his aim is terrible and in the match its spot on and he can barly keep even and than fishy shots start happening and he goes 16-7
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I appended my original post with times when their hacking was most apparent.
Spook: I was angry, I appologized to victor and max later(they know I love them) :(
The Rest: Yeah.. We usually beat them, but it's always close, and with the way they play, it shouldn't even be close...
We play them based on a non-biased system of choosing matches, and although we've always suspected something was up, we usually win so we didn't care.
Now they they beat us with the hacks, I finally got angry enough to report them :)
I hope the right course of action is taken with this.
EDIT: I'm trying to dig up demos of old matches that I have had with these guys, if any other clans have demo'd proof that can help get these guys banned, it would be nice if you contributed(except hades.. jk :P)
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Man....aren't i good :) yup i use my sound that's all. If i can calm u all just add my xfire(guimik) or msn (mik_a7x@hotmail.com) ill send you althose intercoursein demos and you'll see.Plus, i pass half of my time shooting in case someone gets in my way and it really works but it seems people think i hack dam so lame and by the way u never owned us 50-5 i got a couple screenshots of our mathes wich we won and that's the same for cF. Have a nice christmas!
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always good to have both sides of the story. :D
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That still doesn't explain your friend triks, 18:15-18:08 in the demo(you must not have watched it), glaring from mid directly at blue Y through the wall where major was sitting. He didn't have recon because you were alive, yet he was looking exactly dead at major the whole time lol... I'd like to see HIS demos more than anything
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I find this game fun and i hope i won't get banned cause some guys are complaining that I am better then them( or ''Hacking'' as they say) or because I random shot sometimes( or ''Wallhacking'' as they say).merry christmas once again yall! Keep up the game jitspoe! ;)
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About Triks well i guess this is the worse that could happen and will seem very susspicious but he has DeepFreeze on his comp and looses his demos unless he puts'em in a specified folder wich he doesnt do every match i i can sware that hes demo wouldbe exactly like mine without a hint of a hack.
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all I am stating as I do not care about who is better then who or what skill someone has. None of this matters all I am stating is that regardless of win, loss, score, pertaining to these players same comments have been made. But i am so strict on especially the hack accusations that I never allow it to go public. Plus like I said I lag so often in a game (30 secs-1 minute apart) I personally have no clue. No need to flame or rage mag1c if you are innocent then just say I have nothing to be afraid etc etc. No need to turn this into some flame fest. on a P.S most comments were in-fact pertaining to Mag1c not so often to Triks, could be both. NO CLUE JUST STATING WHAT I HAVE WITNESSED.
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Well, I have not seen any demos from anyone but I have a hard time believing ]MT[ to hack, mostly because I have played them both before. Also its hard for me to believe that Mag1c would hack, as I have talked to him and and out of game (via xfire) and he is a genuinely good guy. I will edit this post after viewing all demos with my opinions.
-Cusoman
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sometimes the "good" guys are the worst ones. :D
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Also its hard for me to believe that Mag1c would hack
3 days ago I would have bet money Sonny wouldn't have done the stuff he did... Get it?
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i kinda just said that, but in different words. =\
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Well, I was just stating what i knew of Mag1c right now, and i have seen Deranged demo now, still need to see Mag1c'c, and then will comment on what I saw.
-Cusoman
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lol he stole your thunder cola
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wow watching his demo just made me even more suspicious considering they are talking over dp so obv no need for reconning and also not even spec following him just watching them throught walls plus some of the shots were even more fishier on that video than deranged's
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lmao watching this kid shoot at walls and look at walls turns corner theres always somone near why
must be amazing speakers they see like a bat sending off echos so you know where everyone is
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OK... I have seen Deranged's Demo and Mag1c's demo and, Even as someone who knows Mag1c decently well, will say it was somewhat suspicious. But, I am not saying mag1c was hacking, I often spray just where he was spraying on PP1. Recently I have been studying maps so I know where to spray, and I would have basically sprayed where Mag1c sprayed, though he made his transitions quicker than I could have. Perhaps he has more skill at PP1 than me, who knows.
In Magi1cs defense, PP1 is in fact one of the weird maps with giant openings that seems to mess with Vising and you can here footsteps 3/4 of the map away. You can ask other prominent mappers that sometimes Vis causes sound echoing throughout the whole map.
In conclusion, XoXoXo ( i think thats Deranged) said that he would upload a video of this with hacks on. I honestly cant see how you could do that, but if I could see that video, then perhaps We could prove/disprove Mag1c's hacking. Although innocent until proven guilty is mistaken as a law, I believe it applies here because until substantial evidence that Mag1c hacked has been presented, (the video with hacks on), I would say the match stands. I will wait to make more judgments based on that video, but currently I say Mag1c is innocent.
-Cusoman
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in the real world its guilty intil proven innocent if this kid really is that good he should tryout for 20id
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He's not even that good..
And why are you infering 20id is the best clan in the game?
There's nothing suspicious looking in the demo to me. He probably just listens to the footsteps really well.
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Yeah, I taught these 2 pretty much everything...
Thats all it is.
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he can watch the demo with wallhacks on and record it with fraps or some other program.
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I was just saying at times it did seem suspicious, but not so blatant that i would recommend you watch one of my demos.
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And why are you infering 20id is the best clan in the game?
He just means that we've been known to recruit newbies, like ch40s for example.
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If this can help, i use stereo earphones wich tells me if ur on my right, left or in front and also tells me if ur far away by the loudness of the noise u guys make when u fall, jump or walk. And yes i have something to fear about, being banned for a misunderstanding or false accusation if you prefere.
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He just means that we've been known to recruit newbies, like ch40s for example.
haha understatement of the year. :P
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I watched the first 3/4 of Deranged's demo and was too busy at noticing how bad his aim was and how often he was getting hit by spray or easy shots. I'd have to watch it from Mag1C's POV since I'm pretty sure that Deranged wasn't using in-eye cam when he was chasing either of them in the parts that I saw.
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I can understand where he's comming from on the whole using sound to tell where people are. But, when we played them he would be lining low at my teamate and I rushed in from bd and he had no clue I was there. If he did actually use sound he should have heard me comming. It was pretty suspicious how they did seem to know where we were most of the time.
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guys in his demo do you not see him looking at walls turn the corner wow somoes there and he shoots at walls alot to for no reason oh wait somone pops up there in a second
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Well if they came even close to beating us then they're definitely hacking.
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obviously...god
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excrement man, wtf is this reason your not a god ya know. Besides i always played like this idk what is happenning but dam uE complains for nothing. You guys are just meddling jealous. Merry christmas once again too all not jealous people!!!
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If anyone really cares a lot about this or thinks they want more proof, theres my demo from my match with them if you want it or whatever.
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EDIT*** I watched magik's demo with zgh and it is without a doubt hacking...
edit* I only have my laptop for a while, and the fps isn't good enough when trying to record, so if someone else could record it...
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justin do you see him shooting at walls?
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this to me is blatant ;) hacking in this game you can not here crouching and one time i crouched whole high-backdoor to come face to face with 1 bullet at my head... seriously i dont recon (whoever is best at this game :)) could do that.. and as for the hearing he must have disney's surround sound to hear that ;D
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Yeah, they are hacking. But they should be banned soon anyways. If not, you can have a look at my demo where he is CLEARLY shooting at walls.
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can I just ask....At one of the points in this movie, about the 16 - 17 minute mark, you zoom in. It is when you are at those jump parts in the middle. You zoom in, and shoot. How do you do this?
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can I just ask....At one of the points in this movie, about the 16 - 17 minute mark, you zoom in. It is when you are at those jump parts in the middle. You zoom in, and shoot. How do you do this?
I don't know about this movie, but it is possible to use a zoom script that just changes the field of view.
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Oh ok. Is that illegal? If not, would you know where I could get it from?
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ducky type fov # (90 is normal) the higher the # the more you zoom out the lower the # the more you zoom in and if you bind it to say that
you can press a button and it will zoom in
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wow are you kidding me comittee... we caught the waller... and its been like 2 weeks BAN THEM ALREADY... this is rediculous
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You can't ban someone based on speculation.
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i also have a Demo of them. Bevis and i cought them wall hacking in many ways. he thought when he was chasing them after him being killed(awkward) he was shooting at me through a wall. i dont know how to post a demo....
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oops my bad it was game over.
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I watched the first 3/4 of Deranged's demo and was too busy at noticing how bad his aim was and how often he was getting hit by spray or easy shots. I'd have to watch it from Mag1C's POV since I'm pretty sure that Deranged wasn't using in-eye cam when he was chasing either of them in the parts that I saw.
Too bad I didn't record ventrilo too? I was only there for the soul purpose of demoing
So on top of how bad I suck, I wasn't trying too. that's a multiplier on the suck :)
Edit: why are this kids still not banned? :o
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Because you simply got destroyed in a match and have yet to show conclusive evidence to prove that your superior opponents were cheating.
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Conclusive proof? There's a whole thread of proof here. Every single person that has posted in this thread except the players in question has either agreed or had no opinion. On top of that there are queenie's demos and hades's demos.
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I'd hardly call a few coincidental shots/looks in these demos substantial proof.