Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on January 29, 2008, 07:34:49 PM
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This is something the committee is discussing now and I'm curious what the overall community thinks. If a player comes along looking for cheats, and some other player assists him in finding cheats, how long should the assisting player be banned?
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Are we to blame gun salesmen for deaths?
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IM SORRY DONT BAN ME!!!! LOL! (¬_¬)
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Are we to blame gun salesmen for deaths?
I think guns have a legitimate use. :P "Omg!! I am afraid other players are going to v-rape me!!!! I need aim bot for self-defense!!!11one"
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Are we to blame gun salesmen for deaths?
Guns can be used for good (defense and sporting) or bad. Cheats, on the other hand, can only be used with bad intentions.
Guns don't kill people, women on PMS other people do.
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64+ Its like distributing/ making cheats.
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Do a barrel roll if you voted 64+
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32 days even seems to be too short for cheaters because they don't stop until its like half a year of ban time.
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If you voted for "No Ban" could you post a reason as to why?
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Queenie gives his here:
Are we to blame gun salesmen for deaths?
and ieat knows that we're talking about him.
The third guy must also be a part of the IJ "let's cheat, or distribute cheats" group.
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Sorry don't ban me either =/
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I find it funny that you guys think the whole #dp-hacks channel and "rumors" about "Ij" making hacks is pretty funny. We just know you guys take this game way to seriously and we get a kick out of it. Hope you know this is exactly what we wanted, a silly thread like this.
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OMG THEY WE MAKING ILLEGAL HACKS AND DISTRIBUTING THEM ON THE BLACK MARKET! LETS SUE THE EMBASSY.
And dp-cheats isn't for developing cheats or helping newbies start cheatings. Jebus lou-eebus.
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I think guns have a legitimate use. :P "Omg!! I am afraid other players are going to v-rape me!!!! I need aim bot for self-defense!!!11one"
Wallhacks have a legitimate use for when you review demos to see if someone was wallhacking.
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i would say 32 days if you have legitimate evidence of the player distributing cheats.
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Obv.
Just syaing "Go google dp cheats" Shouldn't warrant a ban, or any type or warning.
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Obv.
Just syaing "Go google dp cheats" Shouldn't warrant a ban, or any type or warning.
That's not what's being discussed here.
It's whether or not someone should be banned if they are offering up cheats and they get caught.
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Actually no i don't think there should be a Ban.. I think the guy asking for them should be banned.
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and ieat knows that we're talking about him.
KK THEN KNACK. REREAD THE THREAD TITLE.
IRC POLICE MUST HAVE FOUND MY DL LINK TO THE UNDETECTED CHEATS.
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KK THEN KNACK. REREAD THE THREAD TITLE.
IRC POLICE MUST HAVE FOUND MY DL LINK TO THE UNDETECTED CHEATS.
Can i haz link? haha
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I already haz link.
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KK THEN KNACK. REREAD THE THREAD TITLE.
IRC POLICE MUST HAVE FOUND MY DL LINK TO THE UNDETECTED CHEATS.
Must have.
[19:21] <DPSurf56> were i can download cheats for DP 2 ?
[19:22] <iEATnoobs> *** ****** or something like that
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So what if someone jokingly says something about offering hacks?
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WHAT THE intercourse!!
Included ......
PERM BAN in your selction........
REVOTE
REVOTE
REVOTE.
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I dont think it should be punishable at all.. The other party downloads them at there own risk.. we are just reffering where to get banned?
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Are we to blame gun salesmen for deaths?
I think the current situation is more like: "Are we to blame the drug dealer for deaths?"
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I really don't think it should be punishable. Everything is detected right now so what's wrong with giving someone a cheat when the only thing they can do with them is watch demos or play bots?
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I'm saying no ban. Why would you want to ban someone for another person's actions? The one who requested the cheat still has the opportunity to not use it. It should be the cheater who is banned, and only the cheater.
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This hack is undetectable.
Release notes for v1.2:
- New feature: Modified maps can be used online.
- New feature: Remove smoke from smoke grenades
All features can be turned on or off by the menu. It can be accessed by typing "menu setup_zgh" in the console, or selecting Setup from the main menu and then ZGH Hacks.
Please report any bugs in this thread.
Note for those testing the hack: You need to delete the cvars added to your config.cfg to not have jitspoe ban you while you are using another client(such as the original paintball2.exe).
Enjoy!
Why would someone decide not to use it if the cheat is advertised as "undetectable"?
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If I hand someone a banana, and tell them its a lethal poison, should we ban the banana dealer when the customer uses the banana to choke someone to death?
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1. THe banana was not grown to be a "weapon"
2. Zaltekk created the cheat to "cheat at dp", it's only sole purpose.
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I grow my Bananas to become weapons.
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zaltekks stuff is detectable as you can tell from all the bans for it.
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Are we to blame gun salesmen for deaths?
... Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "Are we to blame drug dealers for people using drugs"...
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... Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "Are we to blame drug dealers for people using drugs"...
i see no difference in either. but the point is i voted 32 days but only if its like a straight give. like a DCC or email or some kind of direct transfer or posting of files on a sharing site.
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Guns can be used for good (defense and sporting) or bad. Cheats, on the other hand, can only be used with bad intentions.
wrong. not everyone uses a wallhack for cheating. alot of people use them to review demos.
or posting of files on a sharing site.
;D
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... Wouldn't it be more accurate to say "Are we to blame drug dealers for people using drugs"...
I think blaa said something like that, but i could be wrong.:D.d.D::D.d
8 or 16 days, they need to get punished but not for as long as those who use em.
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There are legitimate uses for wallhacks. Why ban someone for giving someone something that they know is detectable? Unless the person is sending everyone penix and telling them it is undetected to get people banned, I see nothing wrong with it.
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i think 64+ because it seems like 2 offense
1. for using the hacks
2. for distributing them
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Does skitzo or even half the people posting in here even know what they are talking about? Thread should be locked. 0 day ban.
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There are legitimate uses for wallhacks. Why ban someone for giving someone something that they know is detectable? Unless the person is sending everyone penix and telling them it is undetected to get people banned, I see nothing wrong with it.
How would you be able to review a demo with out having a wall hack enabled in game?
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simply. Just make a new destination for paintball. like eh. c:/games1. and use it on that one.
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I really don't think it should be punishable. Everything is detected right now so what's wrong with giving someone a cheat when the only thing they can do with them is watch demos or play bots?
Perhaps, but that may not always be the case. What happens when somebody finds or creates a cheat that isn't currently detectable. Should people be free to tell others about it with no consequence?
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Perhaps, but that may not always be the case. What happens when somebody finds or creates a cheat that isn't currently detectable. Should people be free to tell others about it with no consequence?
No
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No ban.
If the person helping the person obtain cheats isn't using them themself. If your foolish enough to cheat then you deserve a ban, not for helping fools. =]
~MT
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No ban.
If the person helping the person obtain cheats isn't using them themself. If your foolish enough to cheat then you deserve a ban, not for helping fools. =]
Same.
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Cheating is cheating to me, weather you help someone to get cheats, make them, or use them. If you know how to get them, chances are (but not always) you used them before.
Not trying to disrespect anyone.
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You going to blame a car salesmen that sold you a car you wrecked?
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It's sort of hard to vote for this. You have mass distribution vs. giving it to a few friends, direct vs. indirect giving, etc. Ban times should depend on the magnitude/form of distribution, meaning, not the same ban time for all of them.
This poll is for assisting players in obtaining cheats, not distributing them. Like if somebody says, "Where can I get cheats for this game?" and somebody else says, "Download X or Y."
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^^ I say they get the same ban time as distributing cheats.... If the makers are the distributers, then they are the resellers... They're just as liable for giving out cheats as much as the distributing them, but instead of giving files, they provide links...
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Ok, my own analogy:
If you buy guns and bullets for someone when you KNOW that he is going to use it to shoot the president, you shall be punished.
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I decided to read about this post because of all the talk on irc that has been going around. Yes, I do agree if someone is involved with or with the intent of a crime they should be punished. (this means braking the rules.. ). So put a ban on those that need this type of special treatment because it is not fair to the other players who look up to these so called pro’s. I also find it funny how most of these people commenting on this topic have been caught in the past for haxing. It is clear to me that not much in interest has changed in these players attitude towards the game and for more reason this shows they are fully aware of their actions and should man up to the consequences. As for the time placed on the banned I feel this should be left in the hands of the community since it is there job to come to such decisions. Personally speaking the quality of advice you are seeking for from this selected group of responses is weak and should not be taken into consideration considering their previous records and lack of character. This is how I feel and frankly, tired of it so I highly doubt I’ll be reading on from this point. I am sure the community will do a great job with this.
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I think it should be multiplied by the amount of people assisted. As if cheating by itself is bad, it's even more damaging to the community to assist in these aquisitions. Theres a thick line between simply getting bored, or trying to beat your arch nemesis and purposefully damaging the integrity of the game by releasing such information. There's no reason to assist in cheating other than to spite the developer/community, especially if the ones you assist are'nt even your friends.
And whats with all these irrelevant and meaningless analogies? Seems like some sort of method of self defense.
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I really don't think it should be punishable. Everything is detected right now so what's wrong with giving someone a cheat when the only thing they can do with them is watch demos or play bots?
ROFL
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I can't remember who said this but why would a person helping to get someone hacks get a longer ban than the person who actually hacked. Honestly that's just plain dumb.
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You going to blame a car salesmen that sold you a car you wrecked?
um.. no.
if the car salesmen knew there was something wrong with the car and sold it anyways, then he would be to blame. kinda like what's going on here.
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We need to all stop with the analogies, srsly. Half of them don't make sense, like at all.
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lol@21votes4no
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Probably a safe guess that there are around 20 people who have helped others obtain cheats.
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I'm thinking thats a majority of the "No Ban" votes. This is a very serious issue, I don't think people quite understand the implications of such a problem.
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No ban shouldn't even be a choice.
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Just voted for 64 days ***PLUS****, anyone who helps someone cheat should be banned for a long time. No ban shouldn't even be an option. With all the hacking accusations going around, I believe it should be the job of the committee to use the context of the event, and resultantly figure out the ban time.
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Just voted for 64 days ***PLUS****, anyone who helps someone cheat should be banned for a long time. No ban shouldn't even be an option. With all the hacking accusations going around, I believe it should be the job of the committee to use the context of the event, and resultantly figure out the ban time.
well said bix i agree
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Yeah I agree Bix. All those times you showed me your painted skins and asked me to teach you how to make spikes was just plain low.
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lol.
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Considering you are most likely the biggest hacker to bring stuff to the game...sorry bud.
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Yeah I agree Bix. All those times you showed me your painted skins and asked me to teach you how to make spikes was just plain low.
Considering you are most likely the biggest hacker to bring stuff to the game...sorry bud.
Considering the fact Darknesses post is probably accurate... sorry bud
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Agree with Lekky lol