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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on February 08, 2008, 03:14:38 AM

Title: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: jitspoe on February 08, 2008, 03:14:38 AM
This is at least the second time DaRkNeSS has been involved with cheats.  Another time he was giving suggestions to Zaltekk for the new version of ZGH.  This time he found a new way to cheat and shared it with MaDMaN (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=11941.0) (and possibly others).  This is basically a permanent ban.  Cheats have no place here.  Don't ask for them, don't use them, and don't share them.  If you happen across a cheat or find an exploit that could be abused, tell me and that's it.

IP's:
71.221.164.234 = 71-221-164-234.bois.qwest.net
71.221.179.105 = 71-221-179-105.bois.qwest.net
71.221.179.226 = 71-221-179-226.bois.qwest.net
75.165.193.65 = 75-165-193-65.mpls.qwest.net
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: KiLo on February 08, 2008, 06:56:00 AM
LoL   good luck   :D

Pointless post.

Anyway just looked at the title and technically he didn't create it, someone else did *cough* jitspoe *cough*. Shouldn't it be something more like Exploiting and Sharing Cheat Methods.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: FlaMe on February 08, 2008, 06:59:21 AM
too technical kilo.. /me backhands matt
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Byz on February 08, 2008, 07:44:34 AM
i think darkness deserves it. hes also been very rude against every europe players :p so see you in a few months darkness.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: FlaMe on February 08, 2008, 08:02:51 AM
i think darkness deserves it. hes also been very rude against every europe players :p so see you in a few months darkness.

i wouldnt call 34... a few months
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Byz on February 08, 2008, 09:55:30 AM
I mean 2,8 years.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Bix on February 08, 2008, 10:41:40 AM
My question is, if the hack was created then SHARED, who had it, who used it? If some of the "higher" end match community is found to be caught using it, i believe the commite should decided how long their ban is.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: jitspoe on February 08, 2008, 11:44:06 AM
Anyway just looked at the title and technically he didn't create it, someone else did *cough* jitspoe *cough*. Shouldn't it be something more like Exploiting and Sharing Cheat Methods.
I didn't create the method.  I didn't even write the code vulnerable to the cheat.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: XtremeBain on February 08, 2008, 11:55:15 AM
This cheat has been around since before I started playing PB2.  Pretty funny to see two perm bans result from one moron putting credits in the instructions.  At least Ruiner gave us some useful content when he tried to pawn this cheat off as his.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: ch40s on February 08, 2008, 12:05:11 PM
Was this a committee decision or did it come straight from jitspoe himself?

P.S. Good riddance
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: jitspoe on February 08, 2008, 01:59:49 PM
This cheat has been around since before I started playing PB2.  Pretty funny to see two perm bans result from one moron putting credits in the instructions.  At least Ruiner gave us some useful content when he tried to pawn this cheat off as his.
Would have been nice if somebody told me about it earlier.  I always thought it required a hacked executable.

ch40s: Committee.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Garrett on February 08, 2008, 02:25:32 PM
Would have been nice if somebody told me about it earlier.  I always thought it required a hacked executable
...
Man he has been playing for years... Jitspoe, you just found out about this exploit this past week too, am I wrong?  Is so, that can't be good...  Hopefully this is the only exploit that has been out for this long and we all don't know about it yet.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: PaNCaKeS on February 08, 2008, 02:27:29 PM
Thank god
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: FlaMe on February 08, 2008, 02:28:33 PM
good use of the 14th post pancakes.

im just a little saddened that people like jesse knew about it THAT long ago and jits was never informed.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Garrett on February 08, 2008, 02:31:25 PM
good use of the 14th post pancakes.

im just a little saddened that people like jesse knew about it THAT long ago and jits was never informed.
I would bet there is a pretty good reason too.  XtremeBain isn't a slack off and he isn't stupid.  We will see from Jitspoe's and Xtreme's next response.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: XtremeBain on February 08, 2008, 03:12:55 PM
Just because I knew about the cheat, doesn't mean that I knew it was undetectable or that it was circulating in the community.  It's one of the oldest Q2 cheats around, and I thought that it was already taken care of.  OH YEAH AND I DIDN'T WANT ALL MY FRIENDS IN ER33T TO GET CAUGHT CHEATING LOLOL.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Haze on February 08, 2008, 03:15:30 PM
slap yourself
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Rick on February 08, 2008, 03:18:58 PM
Just a question to Jitspoe, is there a way to detect these hacks? Like are you going to add some code or wat eva you do to stop this hack?
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: magalhaes on February 08, 2008, 03:22:13 PM
Just a question to Jitspoe, is there a way to detect these hacks? Like are you going to add some code or wat eva you do to stop this hack?
lol, are we afraid of something? :P
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Rick on February 08, 2008, 03:25:14 PM
lol, are we afraid of something? :P

no no no, lol. Just gotta warn some friends cough cough... Naw seriously i just want to know for the point of knowing!(What ever that means)
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: FlaMe on February 08, 2008, 03:27:15 PM
To my knowledge the only way this could be prevented without going to a new build would be to have server-based client-side screenshots

Build 21 sounds like itll have some pretty drastic changes and features.
/me hopes the ballspeed goes back to normal.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Cobo on February 08, 2008, 03:29:30 PM
out of curiosity, what exactly does this cheat do?
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Rick on February 08, 2008, 03:30:31 PM
Its a wall Hack i believe. Lets you see through walls....
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: toM|vendettA on February 08, 2008, 03:56:04 PM
Quote
To my knowledge the only way this could be prevented without going to a new build would be to have server-based client-side screenshots

All that needs to be done is when a player joins a server, record the md5 of his mapfile, if anytime during the map the md5 changes, he's cheating and notifies the GBL. Such a change would be very very minimal and would not need a new build.

It would take an hour, maybe two, to add this to the cheat detection. It is still possible to use this cheat, however Jitspoe has known about it for almost a week and a half. Which means that anyone that's used it in that time period has probably already been detected, and anyone who uses it from now on will definitely be detected.

In the very near future there will probably be a mass-ban for anyone who has been using this hack.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: ch40s on February 08, 2008, 04:14:21 PM
*ch40s twidles fingers and cracks an evil grin. THE SUSPENSE!!!
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Termin8oR on February 08, 2008, 05:40:11 PM
I knew Darkness was, but no-one believed me. But he is the one that gave me edited back in the days.

That was years ago.

Have fun Dan.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: iEATnoobs on February 08, 2008, 08:08:40 PM
toM, that would not work. Im sure Darkness or Madman could tell you why.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: toM|vendettA on February 08, 2008, 11:48:11 PM
.. OH, alright.

It's not hard to detect. At all.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: iEATnoobs on February 09, 2008, 10:10:18 AM
Obviously it is.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Smokey on February 09, 2008, 02:59:15 PM
Obviously it is.
Thats never been said, tom is right. Jitspoe simply thought it had already been fixed. There won't be any detection for it, the cheat just won't be possible to do.

Fixed for y00tz ;)
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: y00tz on February 09, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
@Smokey:  It took me a moment to filter through all of the its, at first it sounded as if you were saying the cheat couldn't be fixed, i.e. disagreeing with Tom.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: webhead on February 22, 2008, 11:00:05 PM
how on earth does he have 10 hardware ids on his ban???
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: Zorchenhimer on February 22, 2008, 11:05:26 PM
Gimmie 3 computers, and I could come up with ~20 different hardware IDs.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: jitspoe on February 24, 2008, 11:10:06 PM
ID's are generated from each component of the computer - hard drives, network cards, motherboards, etc.
Title: Re: Creating and Sharing Cheat Methods: DaRkNeSS
Post by: webhead on February 25, 2008, 01:38:22 AM
so the only way would be to switch out components a lot? i mean, it makes sense, but ... just checking.