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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: m7feettall on February 21, 2008, 06:23:06 PM
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From earlier threads it appears that Jitspoe and the committee have made a ban of 1k days the penalty for distributing hacks.
My question is why? Why is there such a long ban?
Don't get me wrong, I love it. I think it should be a permanent ban, and anyone who hacks should also get such a ban. But I want to know the rationale used for such a long ban.
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It was basically unanimous by the committee.
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when am i getting unbanned KnacK?
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when am i getting unbanned KnacK?
WHen Jits says so. And being that he's going to be a bit occupied for the next several days, I venture not any time soon
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It was basically unanimous by the committee.
Alright, that is one piece of helpful info.
Now why did they do it? What was the rationale? That is my real question.
Any committee member want to weigh in?
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In a nutshell without goign back over the committee posts:
THe committee in general is getting a bit tired of those cheating in any form and Jits isgetting tired of trying to chase them down in the GLS.
I feel like it is moving towards zero tolerance, but Jit will never let it get that far.
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Thank you Knack. Anyone else on the committee feel free to weigh in.
Now Knack, if that is the feeling is there any thought of revising the rules for those actually hacking? 32 day is nothing. If Jits is tired of the current system's results then wouldn't trying stiffer penalties for actual hackers help even more?
In other words, if stiff penalties are meant to be a deterrent in the one case, why wouldn't they be in the other?
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I don't necessarily agree with the 1024 day ban for distributing hacks solely because if you use the hack you only get 32 days. But as Knack previously stated, a lot of people are fed up with all the hackers and want to remove them from the community all together.
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I don't necessarily agree with the 1024 day ban for distributing hacks solely because if you use the hack you only get 32 days. But as Knack previously stated, a lot of people are fed up with all the hackers and want to remove them from the community all together.
Thank you for taking time to respond as a committee member. I appreciate it.
So would you consider upping the time for actual cheaters?
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Knack is on the committee too, btw. My 2 cents on my votes for 1024 were that cheating in itself is bad, but helping others cheat as well? That's just low, and in kilo's case, especially, when you know they're going to be caught is just being an ass.
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Now Knack, if that is the feeling is there any thought of revising the rules for those actually hacking? 32 day is nothing. If Jits is tired of the current system's results then wouldn't trying stiffer penalties for actual hackers help even more?
I would be more than willing to give someone a 1024 day ban for cheating and a perm ban for distributing or making cheats.
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Knack is on the committee too, btw.
Yes, I thanked him as well.
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Thank you spook and zorch.
And zorch I would be fully in favor of the committee doing as you say.
Any other committee members want to weigh in?
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m7feettall, please please please do not double post! Use the modify button!
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Me personally I think that if distributing cheats gets a 1024 day ban, why doesn't actually using the cheat get the same ban time? If everyone on the committee is leaning towards the no tolerance policy then why tolerate people using the cheat. Distributing and Using I believe should be the same ban time. I'm not sure who else agrees with me or disagrees with me on this matter but thats my 2 cents for the conversation.
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+ ! For long stiff harsh punishments.
For some people Hell is heaven. Lets make it not.
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m7feettall, please please please do not double post! Use the modify button!
I like to address each comment in its own post.
I see you are a moderator. I have searched for the rule that would prohibit double posting, and asked about a rule but have yet to be informed of one. Perhaps you could direct me to one.
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Me personally I think that if distributing cheats gets a 1024 day ban, why doesn't actually using the cheat get the same ban time? If everyone on the committee is leaning towards the no tolerance policy then why tolerate people using the cheat. Distributing and Using I believe should be the same ban time. I'm not sure who else agrees with me or disagrees with me on this matter but thats my 2 cents for the conversation.
I wholeheartedly agree that they should both get the same. Both promote cheating. I would also say I think both should be harsh.
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I like to address each comment in its own post.
I see you are a moderator. I have searched for the rule that would prohibit double posting, and asked about a rule but have yet to be informed of one. Perhaps you could direct me to one.
Etiquette. You don't need rules to be polite :P
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Etiquette. You don't need rules to be polite :P
I never thought it was anything but polite to give attention to each person's comment. That way they don't have to comb through a multi-quote thread to find where I might be speaking to them.
The other forums I have posted at over the years did not consider that rude. Perhaps you can send me a pm with the rationale.
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WHen Jits says so. And being that he's going to be a bit occupied for the next several days, I venture not any time soon
Uh, why have a committee then? Pointless.
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Uh, why have a committee then? Pointless.
It is an interesting question. Perhaps it needs its own thread. The topic here is what the rationale is for long bans for distribution and whether cheating deserves the same.
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Uh, why have a committee then? Pointless.
THis was not a cheating issue. THis was an issue of flame logging in to someone's account which is against the EULA.
Jits took care of it. End of story.
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I never thought it was anything but polite to give attention to each person's comment. That way they don't have to comb through a multi-quote thread to find where I might be speaking to them.
The other forums I have posted at over the years did not consider that rude. Perhaps you can send me a pm with the rationale.
Its the socially accepted norm on this forum, etiquette is conforming to the socially accepted norm. I did not make this the socially accepted norm for this forum, yet i adhere to it due to etiquette...
Uh, why have a committee then? Pointless.
Committee was never intended to have so much power.
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Its the socially accepted norm on this forum, etiquette is conforming to the socially accepted norm. I did not make this the socially accepted norm for this forum, yet i adhere to it due to etiquette...
Committee was never intended to have so much power.
When I got here the accepted norm was to act like a jerk. So my policy has been to see what the locals are doing and do the opposite. When someone like kilo tells me not to do anything I generally assume it is a safe step to do it with all speed.
But if as a moderator you are telling me this is the wish of the forum i will do it.
Any other committee members want to weigh in on the ban question?
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I would permanently ban cheaters of all kinds, but I don't get that vote option.
The continuation of this thread is pointless. I only see a bleak shell of anything resembling a person genuinely looking for answers, but more of someone continually poking at the system in order to find a point to latch on to and cause problems with.
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I would permanently ban cheaters of all kinds, but I don't get that vote option.
The continuation of this thread is pointless. I only see a bleak shell of anything resembling a person genuinely looking for answers, but more of someone continually poking at the system in order to find a point to latch on to and cause problems with.
Nope, that is my other thread. This thread is meant to find out what the committee thinks on the issue to see if there is hope of change. Yes, I do intend to promote my view. But I also want to know if my view is shared by the committee. You may feel it is pointless to discuss it but I don't.
Now why would it be " causing problems" to seek change to a position that you feel is right?
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I would permanently ban cheaters of all kinds, but I don't get that vote option.
The continuation of this thread is pointless. I only see a bleak shell of anything resembling a person genuinely looking for answers, but more of someone continually poking at the system in order to find a point to latch on to and cause problems with.
heh there never is that vote option, anyways yeah I'm kinda sick of the cheating. sick of the communities attitude. I'm losing most my respect for [InT] cause thats the avatar i see the most on these threads that are totally useless.
you allready have the thread "make ban times consistant" why are you making another one.
i wont speak about what i do inside the committee because basically its not really for you to be worried about unless you are cheating\multiaccounting\etc... then chances are i wont tell you the truth of whats really going on even if you are being investigated.
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heh there never is that vote option, anyways yeah I'm kinda sick of the cheating. sick of the communities attitude. I'm losing most my respect for [InT] cause thats the avatar i see the most on these threads that are totally useless.
I am not running for miss America or a popularity contest so I can live with that.
you allready have the thread "make ban times consistant" why are you making another one.
I am asking this here to get the committee's feedback which was not happening there.
i wont speak about what i do inside the committee because basically its not really for you to be worried about unless you are cheating\multiaccounting\etc... then chances are i wont tell you the truth of whats really going on even if you are being investigated.
If you don't like my posts just steer clear of them. But since your decisions impact all of us you should expect some questions. And I am not buying the line that it doesn't make any difference to me if I am not a cheater. The continued train of cheaters does make a difference to my game experience and that of each person in the community. And your decision has the power to dissuade further cheating.
So now that more than one of you have said you don't have the option of longer ban times--are you going to ask for that option? There seems to be committee support for it.
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does this makes you feel better m7
(http://www.warwulf-inc.com/unf/wulf_hax.jpg)
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<3
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does this makes you feel better m7
(http://www.warwulf-inc.com/unf/wulf_hax.jpg)
Good for a chuckle. But I would feel better if the committee members who feel there should be longer penalties inquired about them being a vote option.
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also....the ban system is not consistant....ieatnoobs got a 54 day ban i think it was for assisting another player in finding cheats....
as where as madman made the guide to use a wallhack....and he go 1024....and wouldnt you agree that making a guide is "assisting another player in finding cheats?"
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well to be honest ieatn00bs was just going around irc spaming "do you want to know how to cheat, message me." just to be more annoying then actually help others find cheats. basically just gave him a slap in the back of the head to straighten up :P
were as madman was banned for actually distributing them with darkness. and both are banned for a gig of days