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Development => Mapping => Map Graveyard => Topic started by: UDead on May 04, 2008, 06:11:20 PM
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i have done some minor ajustments to it and reposting it as a new map....b/c its still a new map....
i forgot to put SumDumGoy name in the map to give him some creadit...but what i did was insted of one area shard red and blue i created two...one red and one blue....and other stuff....so here....
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I guess you don't understand the very simple to understand words:
MAKE SOMETHING ORIGINAL AND DON'T RIP OFF SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK!
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UDead. Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE TIME IN YOUR MAPS AND STOP CREATING THEM EVERYDAY. Also what Garrett said.
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im not creating them every day.....this i have been working on for a while.....and im not riping off the person...i just forgote to put his name in it.....so back off.....i pot more time in that map that any other map....and when i make something original it come out crap....i do better when i mad maps....and this map is better than it was befor.....
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The original map wasn't even finished yet. Maybe mapping isn't your thing, along with the English language and typing.
User banned for this post.
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well i dont care what u say about the other maps i mod or made...but the Dye2 map i have mod and forgote to give creadit to....but i like it and i think i have made it better....so.....
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Enough with the '...'s and modding of maps. Modding maps is an art and you need mapping skills to mod a map. If you want to make a map, don't mod because regardless of how 'good' the map is, no one will play it because its a mod and map mods stink.
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Garrett finally picked up on the ...... every single sentence. Before you mod a map learn to map first. Such as create a map from scratch and learn everything about BSP. Once you know how to you might consider doing a mod but FOR FUN. Maps that get modded are not exactly the best. Alot of them are whipped up in a couple of days like this (and shazam33, etc) and have many texture misaligns and so on. Only mod a map if it is yours and you make it better, not completely different or little different in the way it is structured. I blabber on, yes but i do it to get it into your head.
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UDEAD, next time please make a map that is original!
If you don't have any ideas just play in bsp or what ever map editing tool you use until you get an idea you like.
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like i said befor i dont care. i will stop moding maps, but the Dye2 i will keep editing untill i like it. so weather u like it or not i am going to keep posting dye2.
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* Cameron waits for y00tz to come in here and do something about this. :P
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like i said befor i dont care. i will stop moding maps, but the Dye2 i will keep editing untill i like it. so weather u like it or not i am going to keep posting dye2.
I couldn't care less if you kept working on that map, all im saying is do something "Original" next time.
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The kicker here is that if your maps stink, there is no chance of getting them on a public server to be played.
But your map currently only has 3 downloads so I don't see it on a server anytime soon.
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can no1 ban him?
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KnacK was about to one time. darn thread was locked so i couldn't quote.
KnacK: "OK...
THe truth comes out.
So, the next time you post to complain about something, I'm going to ban you, because I'm bored.....
How's that?"
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- looks like another map, but not like dye or dye32
- u ask SumDumGoy, if u can modding his map?
- not the same bases on each side
- texture misaligns
- i need the lava texture
- renamed to dye2_b2 (i have a former version of this map from u, which i renamed to dye2_b1)
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No, but what has "- not the same bases on each side" to do with a jumpmap?
That are only some things i noticed, when i have a look at the map.
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ok.....i took alot of stuff out...like theres no jail.....
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ok.....i took alot of stuff out...like theres no jail.....
Man, that took you how long?... 8... seconds...?
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what are you talking about....i realy dont care how long it took me....
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What Garrett is getting at and what I am as well stop this map and start learning how to use BSP and create an Original map which is completely made by you. It has nothing to do with anyone elses map. Just yours.
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i dont need to learn to use BSP, already know how to use it. im not creating my own map so u might as well stop. the only map i would be working on is the dye2 map, no other mod or my own maps so stop trying to get me to stop it wont work. your wasting the internet, power and most of all the key board....
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i dont need to learn to use BSP, already know how to use it. im not creating my own map so u might as well stop. the only map i would be working on is the dye2 map, no other mod or my own maps so stop trying to get me to stop it wont work. your wasting the internet, power and most of all the key board....
then i guess you don't plan to have a RELEASED map anytime soon?
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i dont need to learn to use BSP
Thats what i thought until Deranged talked to me about clipping brushes. And now theres a whole new part of bsp for me that im learning.
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well if your trying to help, thx....but i like the dye2 map i have moded. it lookes nothin like its original.
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OMFG. HE IS STARTING TO USE FULL STOPS. ROFL
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well if your trying to help, thx....but i like the dye2 map i have moded. it lookes nothin like its original.
You don't have the right to take someone else's map and "mod" it without their expressed permission.
Since you seem incapable of understanding the fact that No map maker in any game likes their hard work ripped by a wannabe, I'll just let you know NONE of your maps will ever be uploaded to GT servers and I'll venture a guess that the other server owners will feel the same way.
I guess you'll be enjoying them on your own machine...
Have a nice day.
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lol....vary funny. if i want them on the server i can get them on them not that hard, nd the dye map i dont need permission, becasue it was in the public doman. really i dont care about the other maps, the only map i want to keep is the dye2.
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if i want them on the server i can get them on them not that hard,
What exactly is this extremely simple process of popularizing your map that you seem so confident in? Many mapmakers would like to know your secret, I'm sure. :3
EDIT: ROFL. I just loaded up dye to see what it was. You chose to mod that?
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UDead, why and how did you get so arrogant?
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I'll just let you know NONE of your maps will ever be uploaded to GT servers and I'll venture a guess that the other server owners will feel the same way.
Hehe. Thank God. I would PM to remove them if you did :P
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UDead, unlike almost everyone here, I have a little bit more patience for you and you're unconventional 'writing style' ... there's something about it... I can't put my finger on it...
Anyway, for my sake, do you mind?
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Rofl y00tz. Everyone has picked up on it. But your the first to give him the spell check option :P I don't think this map is going anywhere.
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Was Darkness an admin? This might seem like a random question, but I promise it pertains to this topic.
And I mean this (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=11946.0) Darkness.
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...no.
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thx for the spell check...lol
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thx for the spell check...lol
You should use it.
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More and more often than usual. Remember, if you don't use it we will keep telling you to use it. There are also RED DOTTED LINES under the text as you make a Spelling error. Use its advice and change the word. This is probably the last time I will be nice about this.
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hey, ill help you out. yootz, what other option you could put is that its like word, when you type a word and after you hit the space bar it auto correct it for you if its a known word, stuff like that. Or have it to where when you click the post botton if auto spell checks it and if theres miss spelled words it would repropt you to fix them or ignore them.
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if so them you need to put this in the quick reply
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You actually know how to use full stops and commas? Maybe you should use the all of the time to help us read what you are writing.
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Maybe you should use "the" all of the time to help us read what you are writing.
use them all the time
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1st before you start to release these garbage maps look at them and make them look nicer!
2nd don't rip peoples maps off and make them worse.
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i didn't make the dye2 map worse. i think it looks better than one open shard area. now each team has there own base and own house like area, and so that its not all the same i made the red diffrent than the blue in a way. so in my view i think it looks better than be for. I'm not riping the person off, when i get time i will put his name in the map because i forgot to do so be for. also the dye map was in the public domain, so there for i have full rights to do what ever i wont to it. but, by doing so i will not rip someone off.
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use them all the time
Rofl, if you can pickup my quick typing errors maybe you should pick up on yours. Also if its on a public domain its there to help people maybe have ideas, etc, not to change it around.
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Plus, having the decompiled map up on a server, which I totally disagree with, without getting the map authors permission, doesn't make it "fair game".
But that's ok. You've already indicated that you're too lazy to worry about it and too lazy to care what others think of your work.
meh, I'm too lazy to finish this sent.......
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i don't use decompiled maps, they are the original maps. there not some map that someone decompiled and posted on the web.
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Huh? My .map files are on the web somewhere and if you took the would that be ok? I don't think so.
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This has never really been clear to me:
The game code, is, of course, released under the GPL. With a few exceptions, since not all of it can be released for obvious reasons. But are maps copyrighted unless the mapper says they're under the GPL in the mapinfo file? Is is that way with textures and other media too?
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relly good map
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This has never really been clear to me:
The game code, is, of course, released under the GPL. With a few exceptions, since not all of it can be released for obvious reasons. But are maps copyrighted unless the mapper says they're under the GPL in the mapinfo file? Is is that way with textures and other media too?
The maps aren't technically part of the game.
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By US copyright law, all works are automatically put into copyright of the owner. Unless the creator explicitly licenses his or her material or retracts all copyright and puts it into the public domain, you have no rights to it.**
From a moral POV, the person may have released the source, but conventional courtesy dictates that you ask the creator beforehand, unless s/he provided a license with the file.
**Note: I am not positive if other countries have the same provisions. US copyright law tends to be a bit more "ahead," both in a positive and negative way. "Fair use," for example, is relatively unique to the US, I have heard.
I remember someone uploaded a map that was based off dye (though nothing like the original) to the map DB a few months ago, but I deleted it off because it was so hideously bad. I think this is that map.
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The rules on textures being GPL are more strictly enforced because textures get reused. A lot.
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You need to do three things:
1) Give credit to the original creator. Not doing this is completely ripping off that person's work. Don't be a buttmonkey.
2) Mark clearly that the original creator never gave you permission to modify their map. If someone takes your map and craps all over it, then releases it with your name on it, do you want others thinking you really let that happen?
3) Release your modified .map. What, are you afraid someone is going to take that and do the same thing you're doing? If what you're doing is fine, you should have no problem with this. That way, the original map maker can look over your modifications, marvel at your skills, and learn something.
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i see what you are saying, but i will give creadit saying original creator.."bob" moded by..."udead. but when it all comes down to it we all could stell and mod or trash any map we have right now, because the maps are not copyrighted by law may its copyrights my your self but its not a real copyright. im not make anymore mod maps, but i will still work on dye2. do this for me, if you downloaded that dye2 map i posted in the form, delete it because the the next on will have his name in it, also if you know the guy...give me his email or like or something so i can messege him about this map.
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How old are you? Do you not speak English? Your making me re-read your posts more and more often as time persists!
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Seriously, something made by a person is made Automatic Copyright UNLESS they say its free for anyone to use. Again, If i gave you a link to my map "Evolution" that i never got around to finishing would you re-create it without my permission? If you did I would ask why, did you ever ask me and obviously I would say NO BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T ASK AT FIRST. This might happen here. But I think this thread will be locked before it goes any further.
Last hints before I go mad (although i think i already did)
* Start something Original.
* Stop working on this.
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* Start something Original.
* Stop working on this.
And not in that order...
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just because you create something doesn't automatically copyright it. if you would take this to Court, you would lose because its not a real copyright. if you think it is then show me the papers that states that this map...etc is copyrighted form date to date and i will stop, if not then shut up and stop trying to be a know it all and be all tough. this is reality, not some made up dream where your the boss and you are all ways right.
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It may not be legally wrong but that won't stop us from coming down on you like a ton of bricks when you do it.
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IANAL, but unfortunately my Virginian friend,
In 1989, the U.S. enacted the Berne Convention Implementation Act, amending the 1976 Copyright Act to conform to most of the provisions of the Berne Convention. As a result, the use of copyright notices has become optional to claim copyright, because the Berne Convention makes copyright automatic.
Exclusive rights held by the owner of a work, that nobody else may use:
- to import or export the work
- to create derivative works (works that adapt the original work)
- to perform or display the work publicly
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IANAL, but unfortunately my Virginian friend,
In 1989, the U.S. enacted the Berne Convention Implementation Act, amending the 1976 Copyright Act to conform to most of the provisions of the Berne Convention. As a result, the use of copyright notices has become optional to claim copyright, because the Berne Convention makes copyright automatic.
Exclusive rights held by the owner of a work, that nobody else may use:
- to import or export the work
- to create derivative works (works that adapt the original work)
- to perform or display the work publicly
owned
i think it looks better
exactly our point "you think"
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Before you go touting your worldly knowledge, I suggest you do some reading on what a copyright is.
For starters, read here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright
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lol. i know what a copyright is, and for you if your so smart your would know that wikipedia is not a good sorce for info because anyone can go in and change things or post things. this thing your talking about, im not prejudice the author's honor or reputation. Title 17, United States Code, as amended by this Act, does not provide copyright protection for any work that is in the public domain in the United States.
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I'm done talking here, i know what a copyright is and all that stuff. the map is not copyrighted and you know that. once something is in a public domain its open to everone. just go try to mess with someone else who you at lest have a chance of wining....bye and i wont be one this thread again.
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Rofl. Even though its on a public domain that doesn't give you rights to remake it.
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just because you create something doesn't automatically copyright it. if you would take this to Court, you would lose because its not a real copyright. if you think it is then show me the papers that states that this map...etc is copyrighted form date to date and i will stop, if not then shut up and stop trying to be a know it all and be all tough. this is reality, not some made up dream where your the boss and you are all ways right.
More important than any legal issue is simple respect for any map maker in any game. Regardless of giving any "credit" to a map maker, you first respectfully gain their permission which you seem unable to understand. The creator of the Dye maps is NOT "Bob"
Your lack of etiquette and your attitude are enough for me and I stand by my first statement. You surely won't get a map on our servers.
I agree with Cameron... It's time to lock this useless thread.
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Didn't I make Dye32 a hundred years ago?
What's going on here?
Come on in and have a seat...wait...wrong place.
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I'm done talking here, i know what a copyright is and all that stuff. the map is not copyrighted and you know that. once something is in a public domain its open to everone. just go try to mess with someone else who you at lest have a chance of wining....bye and i wont be one this thread again.
I just thought of the perfect words to describe you: ignorant, stubborn, and delusional. Why delusional? You actually think you've won this argument, I am completely amazed. Someone said you were arrogant before, but it's definitely more than that. We basically just wasted a bunch of time, although there were some funnies, so it's ok :D
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http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ40.html#copyright
Copyright Protection Is Automatic
Under the present copyright law, which became effective January 1, 1978, a work is automatically protected by copyright when it is created. A work is created when it is “fixed” in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. Neither registration in the Copyright Office nor publication is required for copyright protection under the present law.
17 U.S.C. § 102a
Not to mention the Berne Convention, which y00tz already did.
Addendum: Yes, you can sue actually. However, if you don't register with the US Copyright Office, you have to prove damages to win. Either way, it does not make it legal.
Nothing enters the public domain unless it is explicitly stated. Publish is NOT put into public domain, FYI.
@Cameron: If it were in the public domain, which it probably isn't, he would have full legal right to do anything with it.
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@Cameron: If it were in the public domain, which it probably isn't, he would have full legal right to do anything with it.
So if it wasn't did he just decompile the map?
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So if it wasn't did he just decompile the map?
I could make a map (you all know what a great map creator I am) and post it, but that's all I've done; it's still implicitly copyrighted by me. Until I say something to the effect of "do whatever you want with this, I don't care", nobody else can really do much with it, since I've not actually put it in the public domain. It's the same reason you can't go take some random person's website logo and modify it a bit and use it as your own.
tl;dr I just repeated what sk89q said
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Besides the fact he stole it, another reason this map should be trashed is that its just junk. From the three seconds i played i noticed its just 3 boxes put together. But not only is it just three boxes, its three boxes with bottle necks to get to one box to the other. And then, i could be wrong, there is only two small platforms to get across the middle. Easy to line that or doors all day. And whats the point of having a map full of random walls with holes in them. Those are ugly.
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I think i should actually download it and have a look at it, lol. Actually i downloaded the original version but havn't seen this one. Hmm, don't blame me if I say its horrible when I come back.
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Wow, it is on a public domain. Still. Here if you want to look: ftp://www.otb-server.de/pub/Maps/map/
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OK, I'm back temporary. first i didn't decompile the map, heres were i got it from, "ftp://www.otb-server.de/pub/Maps/map/". also, i did not steal it.
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That's what i just said :P. Also there are a variety of maps there as well. I'm starting to wonder how some really good maps got there.
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all i did was go onto the forms and into the search and type in "map files" and i came the this thread that had a link to that map website, thats all i did. got to go, be back later
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I've seen that thread. Rofl, pbcup_pforest is there.
* Cameron sees Rick in the near future looking at this closely.
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Wow, it is on a public domain. Still. Here if you want to look: ftp://www.otb-server.de/pub/Maps/map/
This mapfiles are there to look at and learn with them, not to destroy them. If you want to reproduce a map, you should ask the mapper before.
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this map was created by "SumDumGoy", a.k.a sk89q. But he denies that its not his, but yet in the pic i have said "SumDumGoy".
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I've seen that thread. Rofl, pbcup_pforest is there.
* Cameron sees Rick in the near future looking at this closely.
I already looked at it like a month or two ago......
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SumDumGoy is NOT me. Because I uploaded 90% of the maps on the map database does that make me the creator of all those maps, FYI. I only release under one alias, and that's sk89q.
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then who is he, hes now where to be found
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I hope you never contact him. Or if you do, he finds a way to kill you, or at least remove your fingers. Nah, only fingers is not enough. Removing your head and feeding it to lions might be the only good use for your head. But then again, lions might pick up some of your stupidity :S. So they have to store your head to some nuclear waste deposit center. Yup, that is the only way. Yup.
Nothing is dumb enough to touch him...
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lol. if thats a threat, then let me see him try. watch how fast i press charges on him and you for the treat.
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still beta not done.
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*Rigid
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/me inserts the obligatory " This post is worthless without pics" comment.
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I thought we made a deal..
I was going to stop making fun of you, if you stopped making maps.
I guess are agreement wasn't clear.
please don't release another map.
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i did stop making maps, this map i have been working on be for we made the agreement, so it doesn't apply to it.
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/me inserts the obligatory " This post is worthless without pics" comment.
Screenshots!!!!!!! Please :)
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It's just that piece of excrement map he made awhile go with a different name, the remake of dye.
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Pls stop making maps
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Is it even lit?? I don't think so.
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did you even read my message, its still beta not done yet, which means its not fully compiled yet but yes its lit.
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It's just that piece of excrement map he made awhile go with a different name, the remake of dye.
AGREED!
did you even read my message, its still beta not done yet, which means its not fully compiled yet but yes its lit.
UDead, DID YOU NOT GET THE MESSAGE IN THIS THREAD???: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=13259.0
Knackerz, put a good old fashioned TEXAS choke on this puke and lock er down please...
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It's just that piece of excrement map he made awhile go with a different name, the remake of dye.
Locked
If you want to update this map, do it in the other thread.
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(http://bluegirlredstate.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/happybunnyfriday_1.jpg)
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What KnacK is saying: if this is continuation of Dye2, post it in the Dye2 thread. However, I merged all three threads under the assumption that this is Dye2 with enhancements and a new name. If this is incorrect, please feel free to send me a private message and I'll be glad to take care of it for you.
Happy Mapping,
y00tz