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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: stabbs on January 15, 2009, 02:44:43 PM
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Whoever started the OTB servers, we need another speed one. The OTB Speed is very popular.
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Or they can make real servers with 60 second respawn time and teach new people the correct way to play the game.
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Or not. 60 second respawn games are so boring, because you are always waiting. I'm out to play, not wait. You could spend 1 hour playing this game with only 10 minutes of actual playing, and 50 mins of waiting.
I'm not saying that no one should be allowed to play a 60 second respawn game, I'm just saying that the speed respawn is very popular, and whoever created it should create another, because it's hard to join the one when it is always full.
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just don't die, then you dont need to wait on regular servers.
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everyone is going to die someday.
No, but really, everyone has to die, or else the round would never end. We all know that it is inevitable that you are going to die a lot in this game, unless you are cheating, or you are just really really good, which takes practice, which you don't get playing 10 minutes out of every hour of game play. The speed servers help us "noobs" practice. So, if we are not to die, as you suggested, then let us practice. Then we will come play on your non-noob servers with 60 second respawns.
(I think I have a pretty good argument on this one. Don't think anyone can top that.)
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Or they can make real servers with 60 second respawn time and teach new people the correct way to play the game.
just don't die, then you dont need to wait on regular servers.
Or, make your own server....
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Tried doing that, but I don't have access to the technology that the OTB creator has. I can't keep mine running all the time like he/she can. Also, the router that I'm running off of doesn't allow for my server to be seen publicly, and I don't have access to the router to open the ports that are needed. Believe me, though, if I could create a server that was visible to the public, and could be running all the time, I would.
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Arctic^Servers ftw! ;)
Should Arctic create a speed server?
Start a poll^^
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We have servers with different elim (respawn) times too:
20 seconds: [OTB] Pub 1 - otb-server.de:23585
40 seconds: [OTB] Pub 2 - otb-server.de:11088
60 seconds: [OTB] Pub 3 - otb-server.de:24783
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Our servers ( Pub ) just got 30 seconds, i think its the best respawn Time :P
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Should Arctic create a speed server?
Start a poll^^I second that notion
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30 is not bad, but here in the forum was another discussion about "low elim servers" a few month before. Many peoples said, we need some servers with a higher elim time. So we changed it to different elim times on that servers.
Each one can play what he like.
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We all know that it is inevitable that you are going to die a lot in this game, unless you are cheating, or you are just really really good, which takes practice, which you don't get playing 10 minutes out of every hour of game play. The speed servers help us "noobs" practice. So, if we are not to die, as you suggested, then let us practice. Then we will come play on your non-noob servers with 60 second respawns.
(I think I have a pretty good argument on this one. Don't think anyone can top that.)
so you actually believe sitting in a corner, spraying 200 balls of paint and killing 100 guys in 10 minutes will improve your skill. Amazing.
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30 is not bad, but here in the forum was another discussion about "low elim servers" a few month before. Many peoples said, we need some servers with a higher elim time. So we changed it to different elim times on that servers.
Each one can play what he like.
Exactly.
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Should Arctic create a speed server?
Start a poll^^I second that notion
Well, I'll talk to Ic3y
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so you actually believe sitting in a corner, spraying 200 balls of paint and killing 100 guys in 10 minutes will improve your skill. Amazing.
I understand that some maps can be that way. But yes, I believe that I can get more skill by doing that than sitting there invisible to everyone, waiting for a 60 second count down. It does take practice to get into the position to sit in the corner and do that. It takes more practice to not get hit. Some are impossible to get hit, but most maps aren't, so I do get practice because I am constantly out there doing one on one battles, and trying to watch my back and everything at the same time.
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You will never get better by playing on those servers. You're going to suck all your dp career because you won't get a decent clan in a speed server, you will not get match experience. Frankly, speed servers are a horrible idea in the first place, learn to play the game as it was meant to be played.
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That may be true. I guess it depends on what you are trying to get experienced in. I want to get it in speed. I enjoy speed servers more, and only want to play on them, and I don't ever want to join a clan because I don't have the time or schedule, or, the desire for that matter. I just want to get on and randomly play. But when I play, I want to play, not wait. I don't care to get better in match situations, I just want to play. Apparently most people feel the same way since they are joining the speed servers. So, like I said in the beginning, can the owner of OTB Speed create another Speed server. Those that don't want to play on speed servers, I suggest one thing. Don't play on them. Those that do, go ahead. There are plenty of non-speed servers, so there shouldn't be any complaints there. But there are very few speed servers that aren't password protected and that are popular.
Everyone is going to have different likes and dislikes, so to force everyone to one way would be very limiting to this game and would make me look for another game. I can see others doing the same. So I wouldn't go the route of forcing them to all be a certain respawn time. I wouldn't force them to be 6 seconds like the speed servers are. I would do just what is being done. But, I am asking if another 6 second server could be created because I have had many times when I can't get on because it is full. That means others are trying to get on it too, because it stays full. So it would be great to have another. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to have an argument about which type of playing is better.
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you will get better by playing the 60 sec servers. the speed servers are too fast paced compared to things like clan matches
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you will get better by playing the 60 sec servers. the speed servers are too fast paced compared to things like clan matches
Refer to my lengthy description above your post that says that I don't care to get better at the 60 second servers. I only care to get better at playing the speed servers. I like the fast paced. I'm a video gamer. A fast paced video gamer.
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You will not get better while playing on the speed servers.
You will not learn team play.
You will not learn strategies.
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I understand that some maps can be that way. But yes, I believe that I can get more skill by doing that than sitting there invisible to everyone, waiting for a 60 second count down.
I disagree entirely. Almost every game I've gotten good at has been from watching the good players in the server while I'm waiting to respawn. If you watch them with a critical eye you will learn more than you learn from actually playing.
This, of course, doesn't account for the fact that good DP players (few and far between) rarely play pub.
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I have a correction.
You will become proficient at a few things:
1. Dieing
2. Lining/spraying
3. Whining when the opposing team camps your spawn and obliterates you and your team members every time you respawn.
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Look, how many times do I have to say this. I don't care about becoming a great player. All I want to do is play, and apparently a lot of other players are in my boat. I'm fine with you good players having fun in your skill learning servers. I don't want to get better. I don't want to learn strategy. I don't want to have more skill. I just want to play. Many others do too. That's why the speed server is the most popular amongst the noobs. That's what we want to do. Have you heard of supply and demand? right now there is a demand for noob servers, and not enough supply. That's what we want to do. If you don't want us to play, then kill those servers and we'll go find some other game designed for noobs.
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I have a correction.
You will become proficient at a few things:
1. Dieing
2. Lining/spraying
3. Whining when the opposing team camps your spawn and obliterates you and your team members every time you respawn.
I like lining/spraying, and I don't whine when the other team does it to me. I say, good job, you guys got us. That's what I would have done to you if I could, but our team didn't make it. And we try again, and I'm fine with that. I like it. I'm not whining about the speed server. I'm trying to get more of it. I've been playing it for a long time and I enjoy it, and I am getting better at playing it. That's what I want to do.
I don't understand though, why my desire to play on the speed server attacks you guys who don't want to play on them. I'm not trying to take away your server. I'm just asking for more of my server. Why do you guys keep attacking me on this and feeling like I'm attacking you. Did you see the original post? It's a very nice request for another speed server. That's all. I didn't say, "take down the 60 second servers and add more 6 second servers." What is the deal. A simple little request and everyone acts like the end of the world has come.
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I don't understand though, why my desire to play on the speed server attacks you guys who don't want to play on them. I'm not trying to take away your server. I'm just asking for more of my server. Why do you guys keep attacking me on this and feeling like I'm attacking you. Did you see the original post? It's a very nice request for another speed server. That's all. I didn't say, "take down the 60 second servers and add more 6 second servers." What is the deal. A simple little request and everyone acts like the end of the world has come.
You hit a huge nerve with the thread title alone, this is something that we have been going on and on about how horrid it is, and then you come in and say you love it, you want more of them, you want more of what some think will destroy this game and everything that makes it fun.
And you don't want to improve? That's another problem with the game lately, the majority of people don't want to work on anything, they're not motivated to participate in the community, they'd rather hop in and take without giving back, willingly throwing away their potential to build up the game, and, in that light, do we really need permanent newbies filling up speed servers if it doesn't help the game grow/evolve? If you're right, and they, like you, don't want to get better? Which means they won't help anyone else to improve/work on anything, and that hurts the whole game, the matching community, this very forum, the mapping portion, everything.
I hope you have a clearer picture of why everyone is arguing with you, maybe I'll join in later :D
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stabbs,
How long as you been playing dp? Maybe that will help alot of us get an idea where you are coming from...
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You hit a huge nerve with the thread title alone, this is something that we have been going on and on about how horrid it is, and then you come in and say you love it, you want more of them, you want more of what some think will destroy this game and everything that makes it fun.
And you don't want to improve? That's another problem with the game lately, the majority of people don't want to work on anything, they're not motivated to participate in the community, they'd rather hop in and take without giving back, willingly throwing away their potential to build up the game, and, in that light, do we really need permanent newbies filling up speed servers if it doesn't help the game grow/evolve? If you're right, and they, like you, don't want to get better? Which means they won't help anyone else to improve/work on anything, and that hurts the whole game, the matching community, this very forum, the mapping portion, everything.
I hope you have a clearer picture of why everyone is arguing with you, maybe I'll join in later :D
Now that's the first sensible thing I think I have heard on this whole thread. That does make things more clear. Thank you very much.
I'm sorry for the making this thread an attack back and forth. I've been feeling mad at this whole Paintball game because of some of the posts I've read, and some that I've written, but it is not your guys' fault, it is my own. I'll admit that I let my emotions of my own wants get the best of me and wasn't thinking toward the good of the game. I'll also admit that what I said about not wanting to improve was not true. I do want to improve, but, really I only want to improve on the speed servers. I do like the speed of them. However, having only been playing this game for a month (I guess it's not that long of time, not compared to how long most of you have been playing, but for me it seems kind of long. I feel familiar with it and not like a noob, but, I guess compared to you guys, I'm probably still a noob), so, having only played for a month, I guess I didn't understand how it could ruin the game, and really don't still understand, but I do understand that I don't know as much about it as all of you guys, so I'm sorry for arguing in ignorance. I want to say sorry to all of you. If we can put all our fighting posts behind us and move forward from here working together, not looking back, that would be great. I'm on your guys' boat now, not mine.
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So now as a different topic, and not wanting to start a new thread for this simple question. I'm just wondering what all the -1, -2, -3, -4, -5 posts are in this thread.
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15644.0 (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15644.0)
When the rules say not to write replies like that, why do people do it? It must mean something, but what? I don't get it. Call me a noob. Can't get out of noob stage without learning the lingo and asking questions.
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Simply, when people say +1 or -1, it is their way of saying 'I agree' or 'I disagree'. As in, +1 vote in favour, etc...
Back on topic, I think people should be able to play on servers however they wish. Unless you own the server, you've got no right to dictate how it is configured. That said, I do agree with the the Eiii's, P!nks, Knacks, etc... in Speed being an inferior gamestyle.
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So now as a different topic, and not wanting to start a new thread for this simple question. I'm just wondering what all the -1, -2, -3, -4, -5 posts are in this thread.
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15644.0 (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15644.0)
When the rules say not to write replies like that, why do people do it? It must mean something, but what? I don't get it. Call me a noob. Can't get out of noob stage without learning the lingo and asking questions.
We have forum rules? Where? :P
DrRickDaglessMD explained it good. It only says "i disagree", but in that topic it wasn't anything about a speed server. RoBbIe want have more jumps in paintball, but there is already a complete jumpmod of this game which is a lot of better if u want play jumpmaps.
The "[OTB] Speed" is great to play a few maps in the evening and have fun, but i agree with all others. There are too many 'low-elim-server' and of course, u can't learn to play this game on such a server. Ok, u can learn to camp, but that is like nothing :P
The answer of ur question stabbs: We talk about it. If yes, u will see it in a few hours.
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if no too bad just go out and try to learn how this game is actually played
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RAZZLE DAZZLE PLOWS OTB SPEED.
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Razzle is out: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15642.0
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I have a correction.
You will become proficient at a few things:
1. Dieing
2. Lining/spraying
3. Whining when the opposing team camps your spawn and obliterates you and your team members every time you respawn.
You are soo right...I play at [OTB] Speed many times and all I see s campers...I don't get it, I play there and don't camp and im always on the top spots!
You will not get better while playing on the speed servers.
You will not learn team play.
You will not learn strategies.
An you also got a point there because when i go to other server I don't last a minute alive...and me and my teammates everytime we make a match we lose or win by very very few!! I'm going to start going to other servers but i also think 60 secs of respawn is too long...to me perfect time is 20/25 secs
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If you play Speed, you have to go get caps and always win the game for your team. It's not *that* hard actually, but only 2-3 regulars (incl. me, or at least, due to my horrid ping, on some maps/during some hours) can do it. That *does* require strategy (you obviously can't just prance right in and walk right out unscathed), skill, and speed (lots of speed).
But like I mentioned, very people try to do it / can do it.
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sk89q: agreed
In some ways otb speed is a needed server. It helps draw ppl in to play the game n keeps most of the campers in the same server. Thus keeping most of them off the other servers.
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15411.0
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I've been playing on 60 second servers all the time, and it's just barely getting to the point where I don't imediately die five seconds into the round. I was feeling pretty good about the slight improvement in skill when I entered the speed thing one time...
It was like the first day all over again. Paint was coming out of everywhere and I never got to see who killed me. I wouldn't last five seconds per spawn, and it was complete chaos.
I like the 60 second servers. I like chase-camming the guy who killed me to see how he plays and how he managed to pop me so far away. I like watching between spawns and learning how others do it.
I like the slower pace, the sneaking around listening for footsteps, the whispers to and from your team-mates. If I had more time to game around I think I'd even like clan matches, if just to get more of that kind of play-style.
The speed thing is to much "overload" for me, and I'm not suited to it, but more power to ya I say. If that's what you like.
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The second server is online, but if we don't see enough people on both server in the next two weeks we remove the second one.
[OTB] Speed 1 - otb-server.de:11111 (or 92.51.145.48:11111)
[OTB] Speed 2 - otb-server.de:22222 (or 92.51.145.48:22222)
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The Pubs aren't full because the Speedserver and when now exist a second speed server, the pub's will die.
I understand when people want "fun" and not "waiting" but in my opinion the speed server destroy the Game.
Where are the good old times, where pubs are full and the elim by 30 / 60.
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eh theyll catch on after a while. Everyone needs to start somewhere.
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We can close the speed server, but i think there will be a new one from someone else a few days later.
The only thing, we can make against it is to implement an exp points system with some minimum requirements (like elim 60, flagmustbeatbase...).
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i see there is another otb speed server YAY :D:P
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or on all server sv_login 2
so the accounts will be implented completly.
2much people without account
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We can close the speed server,
Nonsense keep a single server up. When it reaches it full 32 players players are given a choice. Check out the other servers or dont play. granted most just wont play but those few will still checkout the other servers.
+1 for flagsmustbeatbase
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i see there is another otb speed server NOES :(
I fixed it for you.
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I agree with the new OTB speed server making...i mean... u tell Ur friends or clanmates to meet there and suddenly its full and no clan game for anyone...it has happened to me...but in other hand It will probably be full as the other one theres millions of players in there and its not another server with 30 players max limit thats gonna stop them from filling the server...
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What you need is a system to entice people to go to the other servers. Perhaps a rating system. What if you could move up rankings by making a certain amount of kills, but the only kills that counted were those on servers that have a 30+ second respawn. Any server with a respawn less than that gives you no ranking. So those wanting to get a higher ranking for their account would only play on the Pub servers. Also, this would entice people to stick to one account and stop creating multiple, since their ranking goes with only one account. You could give the ranks names, like Soldier, Colonel, Captian, General, Demigod (these were actually the ranking names used in Descent II, so you could come up with your own), and whatever else could be in between those. I think the idea of ranking has already come up, but the idea of having ranking count for specific servers hasn't.
In fact, you could just nominate specific servers as "ranking" servers. And the rest would just be speed, or personal servers that someone has started. Maybe servers have to be approved to be marked by the administrators as "ranking".
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I said the same :P
Vote for this: http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10078
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Yeah. That's where I saw it. You can see that I already voted for a it a while ago. Anyway, I'm just adding to it that only certain servers give ranking points.
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I think part of the problem is the types of maps that are played these days.. I just started playing after being away a year or three, and it seems to me the trend is moving towards large, complex, confusing maps with tons and tons of paths and obscure jumps. The result is that new players get easily confused, lost, or unable to even find the enemy who are flying over their heads or dipping off into some back tunnel.
Back in the day, the maps were much more simple and in your face... arctic, shaz, sandtrap, airtime, blitz, sandpit, etc etc, hell even siegecastle.. the paths were easier to understand, and there was always only two real primary ways to go. So if you could do the jumps, you certainly had an advantage, but it wasnt crippling if you couldnt. The maps were much smaller, so even with a 60 second elim time, chances are the round would end much sooner than that.
Back when I used to run eR33t servers, I certainly noticed that the speed-style server was always full... but I didn't have a shortened elim time, I just loaded the rotation with small, speed-ball style maps. When I'd switch to a map like castle1, half the players would leave.
So maybe the real issue isnt respawn time... its the maps.
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I disagree, learning maps is one of the great things about playing new games that come out. Its even better with DP2, because you don't have to rely on a new game entirely. The maps just simply keep coming.
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Most older players like Alonjar enjoy the slower paced smaller maps, but if you ask someone who started 3, 4 or even 5 years ago, the newer maps are what keep our interest and make gameplay fun for us.
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In fact, this is a game and a game should be fun to play. If you have fun running around lining, dieing and again and again, no big breaks, no waiting, the speed server is perfect for you. Many people actually wouldnt play digital paintball without the speedserver. Others would, thats true, some people would play on "normal" pubs a few of them would become active parts in the matching scene. But they prefer the speedserver. Why dont just letting em have the fun?
I also know a lot of people who started playing on the speedserver and now beginn to enjoy playing on the pub servers, joining clans etc.. Youre acting like the speedserver concept is the source of all evil or something - thats just not true guys. I let you think what you want.. i have no problems with it.. but pls think twice about what youre saying or thinkin, dont just go with the flow..
Im not trying to defend anything, i just dont need to defend anything. I just try to give you another view.
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Every now and again, when I'm immensly bored of getting n00bed on arctic pub, I just have a 5min spree on the speed server, just for the fun of it. Then i just go straight back to the normal pubs for some serious playing. Plus, you can't even see half the chat on the speed servers and it's less sociable and you don't get to know people the same way you do on the long spawn servers. 60 secs is god, in serious matc scenes. But for pubs, 30 secs is bearable, and playable.
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Every now and again, when I'm immensly bored of getting n00bed on arctic pub, I just have a 5min spree on the speed server, just for the fun of it. Then i just go straight back to the normal pubs for some serious playing. Plus, you can't even see half the chat on the speed servers and it's less sociable and you don't get to know people the same way you do on the long spawn servers. 60 secs is god, in serious matc scenes. But for pubs, 30 secs is bearable, and playable.
serious playing.
For me, for someone who doesnt pub much, that 30sec bullexcrement is bad. Either 60sec with good players (doesnt happen much) or 5sec respawn in a 16v16 hardcore paintfest.
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But I agree with i_am_a_pirate in one thing, in spedd you don't socialize, wich I think it's important.
I never talked to anyone since I started going to pubs I now talk to some of the best players...
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I never talked to anyone since I started going to pubs I now talk to some of the best players...
I think speed servers just won 1 more user.
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If you want to be able to talk to people in the speed servers, make it so that the option to show "Chat Only" actually works. I've set the chat to do people chat only like 5 times, but it still shows who killed who and all that. In a speed server, sometimes I do want to talk to people, but I can't because the "Chat Only" feature never works. Has anyone else experienced this?
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In the current OTB Speed server, we need more maps. Getting bored of the same maps over and over. I feel like I play the same thing all the time. There are some great maps in some of the other pubs, but I'm still enjoying the speed server the most.
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In the current OTB Speed server, we need more maps. Getting bored of the same maps over and over. I feel like I play the same thing all the time. There are some great maps in some of the other pubs, but I'm still enjoying the speed server the most.
How about starting a new topic ....
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How about starting a new topic ....
Well, it's more of just a quick side note. Didn't really want to start a whole discussion about it. Really I just want the owner of the OTB Speed server to see it. Guess I could have just messaged him, but I was too lazy to look up who he was.
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Speed servers are sick. Can learn how to spray for 2 hours straight with no down time.
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Speed servers are sick. Can learn how to spray for 2 hours straight with no down time.
I hate when people just sit there and line for like so long! No more speed servers for people to learn how to line! :P
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Thank you for the recap of the first page
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I love lining! It is so vital for the newbies to learn... Maybe we should get an American one so we can be as cool as the Euros.
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g_autofire 0 = funny
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I love lining! It is so vital for the newbies to learn... Maybe we should get an American one so we can be as cool as the Euros.
how is it vital
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He was being sarcastic, obviously.
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lol, post count goin up for blaa
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Okay, enough discussion on lining and everything. We already talked all about that. The final note of this discussion is just to add some more maps or different ones to the speed server.
END OF DISCUSSION. Admins, please close this thread so no one can post anything more.
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because you started the thread, you can lock it. Theres a button below the 'previous' and 'next' buttons under the page numbers on the left below my post saying 'lock topic'.
Merry Christmas
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Ah ha, Thanks. I have been wondering about that for a long time. Never noticed that.