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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: MosEz on March 13, 2009, 12:46:57 AM
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Well after I have written some emails with the Director of the Community Management of the Electronic Sports League (eSports (short ESL)), it looks like they are interessted in adding digital paintball² but at the moment it isnt sure for 100%
I told him many things about dp²(current Build, Gameplay,Community,Committee,showd him many pics of maps and the new models,Anticheat system,What cheats are possible and other sutff)
- What is the ESL?
www.esl.eu (main site)
www.esl-america.net/us/
The ESL is the biggest League in Europe(it doesnt matter, it would be possible to add americans because they also have an american section and we could play against each other (euros vs americans, euros vs euros, americans vs americans)
The ESL supports games like Counterstrike,call of duty and many many other games.(just a short List
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2545/eslu.jpg
They make cups for examble in Counterstrike and the winner gets 10000+ euro.
Sponsors: intel, adidas, asus, suzuki and others.
All languages are possible.
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5786/esl4.jpg
It is like a new PBCUP but just bigger.
- If they would take us what would we get?
We would get a 1on1, 2on2, 3on3 and 4on4 Ladder. If we see the number of players rises we would also get a 5on5 Ladder.
it would look like this (5on5 ladder in counterstrike http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9569/esl2v.jpg )
we have to register on the site. (watch out its ike in dp. Only one account is possible.
and because they would advertise paintball we have to advertise the ESL on our site or if it is possible in the game.
I would say we need a f***ing goodlooking banner.So I need your help!
for examble the call of duty 4 banner
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1889/esl3w.jpg
They would mabye also take our committee into their anti cheat section and they would work with us togehter(in connection with cheats)
BUT If someone would hacking, the ESL would ban him from the Ladder for 6 Months
- What would they also need?
They would need the support of Jitspoe. I would also say we should add knack, yootz, zochenheimer and xtremebain to the AdminTeam when they would take us.
Well what do you think?
I would say it would help dp, We would get more recognition. New players would join this game because everyday there are like 80000 ppl on the site( at one moment!)
We would make a big step into the future of Digital Paintball²
btw the director said he would send a guy @me who would help us in connection with this project.
pce mz
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Best idea that I've seen come across the forums in a long time. Yes I read the forums like the newspaper just never log in to say anything.
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Another cool idea mZ, i hope they add dp.
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Its meddling great...i remember when we talked in the privat darkness chan about that idea a year ago...and we all laught and thought i would never become true :D.
I really hope that DP goes into ESL and bring it back up :).
And thanks mZ for making the first step to a dream become true
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This is not only bringing more players. This is bringing more players of the type we want. Guys who go on irc immediately, guys who want to play competitively, not OTB speed or OTB speed2.
GJ mz.
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Jitspoe, its ur chance :D
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The idea is ok and maybe it can be good for the game, but i won't say "The dream will come true".
They want sell theirs premium account. Without this, u can't make very much...
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But you can participate in a league?
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They want sell theirs premium account. Without this, u can't make very much...
Well you dont need a premium account for playing in a ladder :)
But you can participate in a league?
well in cod4 it is possible so I think yes
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So who is able to make a goodlooking banner?
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maybe some Pixelsize (XXXxXXX) would help :D
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This should definetly grow and better our community.
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Love you moseZ.
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This would be great for DP. I remember about 3 years ago there was a spur of gamers coming from other games to DP. Once they got the feel down they were actually pretty good. Hopefully this could pull that back, would be huge for DP. Sadly clan hopping would kill this type of series.
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Jitspoe, its ur chance :D
Yes this is great Mosez gJ, this would bring good expansion to the game.
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Yes this is great Mosez gJ, this would bring good expansion to the game.
And actually get more people on the forums responding.
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most ladders of this calibre would usually have a security feature built in that would deem the player ineligible to play for a certain period of time after joining the new team. i know because i use to be a part of one for quakeII mods ( www.worldogl.com ). not sure if this site does or not.
I think it is a good idea as well, though I have three questions.
i. would this be a "ladder"-type league? like you can only challenge people with higher rank than you (if your team #6, you can challenge #1-5 but not #7-9, and then if you beat them, you will go up, the other team goes down (meaning you have to work your way up the ladder to play better teams and go for 1st). Is this the type of league it is? (a ladder..)?
ii. from previous ladder experience in past games, clan matches would usually on average take one week to setup per match:
----teamA picks a team to challenge and selects his map and 3 possible dates/times of match (teamB challenged)
----teamB accepts one of the dates/times for match
what im trying to ask is: will it be merry like the above example? or will you be able to challenge someone, have them accept and play that same minute?
iii. is there going to be match disputing on the site? I hope not.
i have a suggestion too.. would be cool if the committee or whatever added a maplist to the site that would pick a random tie map for every match. one way to minimize delay of game
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Well Thanks :)
the first step for me was to contact him once again about adding our irc network. This is possible.
the 2nd step was for me to ask him again if it is possible to let americans vs euros play.Because some guys said it isnt possible but it is.
most ladders of this calibre would usually have a security feature built in that would deem the player ineligible to play for a certain period of time after joining the new team. i know because i use to be a part of one for quakeII mods ( www.worldogl.com ). not sure if this site does or not.
I think it is a good idea as well, though I have three questions.
i. would this be a "ladder"-type league? like you can only challenge people with higher rank than you (if your team #6, you can challenge #1-5 but not #7-9, and then if you beat them, you will go up, the other team goes down (meaning you have to work your way up the ladder to play better teams and go for 1st). Is this the type of league it is? (a ladder..)?
ii. from previous ladder experience in past games, clan matches would usually on average take one week to setup
iii. is there going to be match disputing on the site? I hope not.
Well thanks Iam gonna ask him about that.
per match:
----teamA picks a team to challenge and selects his map and 3 possible dates/times of match (teamB challenged)
----teamB accepts one of the dates/times for match
what im trying to ask is: will it be merry like the above example? or will you be able to challenge someone, have them accept and play that same minute?
weill in call of duty 4 you have to wait 1-5 min to accept a match and then u can start. But iam gonna ask him too
Thanks for the response
btw we got a nice banner when i was in dop
http://freenet-homepage.de/DoPClan/PagebyDrake/DoP/DoP_r1_c1.jpg
but iam gonna ask him about the size.
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Well sorry for that double post but i have to do it so u can see the new information.
I asked this guy again.
i. would this be a "ladder"-type league? like you can only challenge people with higher rank than you (if your team #6, you can challenge #1-5 but not #7-9, and then if you beat them, you will go up, the other team goes down (meaning you have to work your way up the ladder to play better teams and go for 1st). Is this the type of league it is? (a ladder..)?
Now i try it with my english skills lol.
You can ask everyone for a match. Like in the pbcup the schedule function.
In the top 10 U HAVE to match.
At the places 11 to ??? .It is possible but u dont have to.
If we get a Matchmaking-Tool (ESL Instant Challenger, Matchmaker) ii will be automatically looked up that the teams are not too far from each other in the ladder.
ii. from previous ladder experience in past games, clan matches would usually on average take one week to setup per match:
----teamA picks a team to challenge and selects his map and 3 possible dates/times of match (teamB challenged)
----teamB accepts one of the dates/times for match
what im trying to ask is: will it be merry like the above example? or will you be able to challenge someone, have them accept and play that same minute?
He said u can schedule a Team and they will accept it. so maybe 1-5 min.
iii. is there going to be match disputing on the site? I hope not.
well u can in the following 24hours.
and i also asked him if u can be a clanhopper or not.If you join a Team you get a "10 days ban" to play in your new team BUT if the other team havent any problems that you would play they can accept you to play.
Well thats new.
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yeah that's normal for most popular FPS ladders.
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looks like the project will start on monday :)
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did it start yet? and is the committee going to be in charge of making rules?
edit: and whos the admin(s)?
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looks like the project will start on monday :)
he never said which monday :)
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we need an admin team who will support it. and at first we are making a cup so they can see how many guys will take part.
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What should the admin team do? "support it" could be everything...
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support it as in play hitler ;)
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They have to work togehter with the ESL (website,anticheat,future,ladders, many many things) I wrote him an email what we have to do.
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Ok what we need to make it true:
- Banner and an admin team. Who would help?
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Really the only capable person to do admin on ladders is Xtremebain IMO. That and/or m7feettall.
It must be a self-submitted score at the end of matches, or else server scoring would have to be set up somehow, and we'd have to have servers to do that. If its self-submitted, I see a lot of disagreements happening. How does it work with ESL?
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ESL has each player of each team upload demos (+screens?) of each map played during a match. Failure to do so results in deducted points.
So no more "my demo didnt start" or "I turned my demo off by accident" for all you hackers out there 8)
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Really the only capable person to do admin on ladders is Xtremebain IMO. That and/or m7feettall.
Every thinking person could that. So yeah, that leaves 97,5% of dp community out....
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Really the only capable person to do admin on ladders is Xtremebain IMO. That and/or m7feettall.
Only for NA, because there are too many kiddies.
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Has jits even agreed to any of this? Very rude to get a ball rolling without the approval of the owner.
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I think mosez talked to jitspoe.
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why would jitspoe need to agree to this?
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He wouldn't need to, but it would be nice if he did ask him. Courtesy :P
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why would jitspoe need to agree to this?
Maybe I'm confused.... I thought Jits developed this game. If so he should have sole rights to decide what he wants when it comes to this game.
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Maybe I'm confused.... I thought Jits developed this game. If so he should have sole rights to decide what he wants when it comes to this game.
True that, because ESL is gonna make money of this game.. Don't really believe that dp will be on esl though..
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Do you mean ESL like and English Second Language class you guys should take so we can understand ya :D
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Do you mean ESL like and English Second Language class you guys should take so we can understand ya :D
Nice joke :D
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Thanks haha. I don't mean it offensive just for laughs.
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some ideas,
it would be cool if when requesting a match server, you could pre-select the maps in the IRC command, which would automatically update the maplist of the private server, temporarly (3 maps total). maybe a few servers could be configured like this, not all, if this ESL league thing actually happens..
or another cool idea would be to make the serverbot a little more complicated, so that when you type !match say in #er33t-gaming, the match server bot would PM you asking further details of the match (#ofplayers, maps, etc..) and then configuring the server with the details/maps you selected.
heres an example:
Now talking in #er33t-gaming
<s0ul0> !match
**match|bot pm's s0ul0**
<Match|Bot> What is your clan tag?
<s0ul0> [mili]
<Match|Bot> How many players?
<s0ul0> 4
<Match|Bot> What maps? ***the maps would be decided upon pre-match by both clans, including tie***
<s0ul0> pbcup_pforest kalbeach rebirth_b2
<Match|Bot> OK, your match code is 3ad8dcn3
**then you get the clan your matching to PM (/msg) or /notice the bot with the match code**
/notice Match|Bot 3ad8dcn3
**after my opponent messages the match bot with the match code, the bot will reply to him with the maps/details the initiator (me) selected, then ask my opponent if he accepts the match.
<Match|Bot> what is your clan tag?
<bix> [3iob]
<Match|Bot> confirmed [3iob] vs [mili] 4vs4 match. maps: pbcup_pforest, kalbeach, and rebirth_b2 for tie. Do you accept this match? YES/NO?
<bix> yes
after the challenged user types "yes", the bot will PM both users (will most likely be the leaders of each clan), telling them what color they are and the server ip/password.
**most likely login wont be needed for these type of servers as the server would automatically put the maps in order**
<Match|Bot> bix has accepted the details, s0ul0. Your team is RED. Please make your way to the server: 64.231.24.61:27910 - the password is: dingleberry.
after this messaged is received, the
now i give my team the info and connect to the server.
***after the match is completed, the server will save the details like score and such in some type of text file or auto upload it to a web server somewhere, which the admins can use to update the ladder records or whatever.***
IMO this will provide dp with a more sophisticated matching experience, and could possibly attract a more competitive crowd and bring this game back 'from the dead' so to speak. and will eliminate the need of keeping your clans record in the mirc channel topic. though you could still keep your irc records for 'scrim' purposes...
cool idea for a match script but it sounds really complicated to do, what you guys think?
or maybe someone can post a less-complicated way to accomplish this... a way for the server to record match outcomes, that way you dont gotta deal with admins as far as adding wins/losses go, the server does it for you.
thoughts? ^^
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ok but i have two question.
if say somehow you manage to acquire enough admins that are willing to spend time daily going over demos for this(as i am assuming that some clans will delay or not report losses), then is there a way for you to gather information from the server the match was played on to determine if either team posts falsely dated demos.(though the whole team would have to do this to get away with it...lol).
this would be effective at determining which team is lying.
also, can a team challenge another team while they have an outstanding match with someone not yet reported by either team?
just admit it, my idea sounds better... with the automatic bot guy setting up all the matches and recording his
log, then someone could make their own ladder site and just import a couple data files ^^ or enter some values into a form which displays the results for the user on the standings page with details of the match... boom dp has its own ladder, doesn't have to answer to these ESL guys. i dont even know html but im pretty sure its not that hard to do, i could probably learn the language and code it all myself in a month ^^
ok anyway it was good to dream for a moment.
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i dont even know html but im pretty sure its not that hard to do, i could probably learn the language and code it all myself in a month ^^
there you go, if you could code it all in a month, then go ahead and do it if you think its the only successful way.
as for the ESL, sure, I can count many ways to fake the matches, but who cares, if it just means more clan matches.
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if the ESL still needs a banner, then i've made one -
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z31/KnightOfCydonia7/esldigitalpaint.jpg)
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Good Job :p
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(http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2984/esldp2banner.jpg)
Simplistic approach :D
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if the ESL still needs a banner, then i've made one -
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z31/KnightOfCydonia7/esldigitalpaint.jpg)
Nice. Those missing textures actually look good there :D
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That DP2 Banner is awesome. You really got the textures right. :)
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Yeah he did all the work, and i touched it up after giving up on mine :P
I hope we use his design, looks bloody cool.
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- The other esl headers are in the format 970 x 166. Here is an example: http://eslstatic.net/skins/v2009_blue/sectiongfx/css.jpg
- The name of this game is "Digital Paint: Paintball 2", not "Digital Paintball 2" !!
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http://eslstatic.net/skins/v2009_blue/sectiongfx/css.jpg
it says 403 forbidden :/
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It works for me.
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It works for me.
It don`t works for me, neither... but i can see it now.
I like the banner from KnightOfCydonia much more:D (Add the correct name and get the textures)
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It don`t works for me, neither... but i can see it now.
I like the banner from KnightOfCydonia much more:D (Add the correct name and get the textures)
itl be still in the wrong format :P
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itl be still in the wrong format :P
He s fixing it right now im sure:)
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http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=17714.new#new
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(http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/jo7zq3w4/headeresldark.jpg) (http://img3.imagebanana.com/)
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Wrong topic ^^
Read my post in the german part