Digital Paint Discussion Board
Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: AsThor on April 02, 2009, 03:08:05 PM
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because of the fact that jitspoe doesnt answer on my pm's i'm now writing this on the forums.
due to the fact that everyone puts up his own match rules how he wants them to be it'd be perfect to set up some match rules. i would love to set up some.
what do u think?
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From time to time there's a thread like this. Some time ago PURE took the initiative and called the leaders of the top clans to discuss some guidelines for the matching scene. From what I could learn it didn't go well. Americans hate whatever euros organize.
On the other hand it would be pretty hard to get all clans to play by the same set of rules.
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Do we need match rules ?
Dont think so, because 95% of the dp matches are scrims, so nobody care about any rules.
Sometimes we need them, for examble cups oder ladders, but then the organziser will tell you his rules.
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but its always annoying to have those misunderstandings and arguements. rules would avoid that
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rule #1 no beta maps allowed in matches.
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as long as the beta has no bugs that could be used to "cheat" i dont see any problem in using them as a matchmap. but for now it has to be decided if there even will be any rules.
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THis is what I suggest:
If you want rules for *your* matches, make a new thread about geting input for match rules.
Get the communities input.
Search the forums.
Stick to your guns when you play.
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Having static rules doesn't really accomplish anything until there's some form of match tracking involved. Until then, the rules can just be whatever the two teams decide upon.
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If you're asking jitspoe for matching rules, you're definitely asking the wrong person.
I can give you some need to know ones off the top of my head that has been the standard for the last 8 years.
- each team is allowed one restart per map and has to rejoin the color that was chosen for them. (If other team chose blue and you want to use your restart, they're still blue.)
- The other team gets to choose what color they want on the map you choose.
- Incase of tie both teams have to agree on a tie map and the color you were the map before is the color you'll be in tie map. (i.e. you go to tie and both agree on shazam22, if you were blue on the map before you'll be blue there.)
- The first team to reach 50 wins, so if someone has 2 flags and has 49 points while the other team caps for 52 points. The ending score would be 52 red 53 blue but red would still win for achieving 50 points before blue.
- If the match consists of a American vs. European team. The American team will play their map on the European server while the European team plays their map on an American server. The only way I've seen a tie map settled is one team chooses the tie map playing on the other teams server.
Those are pretty much the basics you need to know. I've never seen anyone mention not capping on a lagged player or dropping a player when someone else leaves to make the teams fair, but usually people do because it's common courtesy. Of course you don't have to abide by them, but usually people frown upon it.
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Rule #12
Don't pick horrible maps constantly.
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Rule #12
Don't pick horrible maps constantly.
Yeah that just ruins the whole match and makes people feel like not playing.
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This is a discussion that would always have to be held in IRC IMO. In here we would have to many posts of people who don't even know what we're talking about. It only affects the clan community so the clan community should discuss it.
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- The first team to reach 50 wins, so if someone has 2 flags and has 49 points while the other team caps for 52 points. The ending score would be 52 red 53 blue but red would still win for achieving 50 points before blue.
you forgot to state that the red team caps for 52 points (you said the 'other team', then 'red' later... lol
anyway, i disagree with this rule, ive played in many matches where this situation has occurred and have experienced both sides of it. and everytime it happened, it didnt matter who caps first, whoever has more points wins, period (no one has ever disputed this in my presence). i think this type of situation makes the game that more strategic. and i also think that you must have had this happened to you on more than one occassion (capped your enemys flag not realising and having them beat you with possession points), then probably argued with them stating that your team capped first so you win... sorry bro, but you dont get to make it up as you go along..
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you forgot to state that the red team caps for 52 points (you said the 'other team', then 'red' later... lol
anyway, i disagree with this rule, ive played in many matches where this situation has occurred and have experienced both sides of it. and everytime it happened, it didnt matter who caps first, whoever has more points wins, period (no one has ever disputed this in my presence). i think this type of situation makes the game that more strategic. and i also think that you must have had this happened to you on more than one occassion (capped your enemys flag not realising and having them beat you with possession points), then probably argued with them stating that your team capped first so you win... sorry bro, but you dont get to make it up as you go along..
Although I've played both ways. The object is to reach 50 points before the other team. If you get the 50 points while they're still holding flags, you're still going to have 50 points before they will even if they do have more points. Also, don't come off as the make it up as I go along. I've been more active in matching in this game more than you for the last 6 years with just one clan.
This is a discussion that would always have to be held in IRC IMO. In here we would have to many posts of people who don't even know what we're talking about. It only affects the clan community so the clan community should discuss it.
This right here is the perfect example of why the community is clueless. You guys spend all day trying to make the game better and when the only thing that will get people to play it you say "go to irc".
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^ thats right, they got 50 points, they ended the match, any points after them ending a match shouldn't be counted.
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Whoever the game says wins, wins. This is the first time I've heard any different.
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I was playing a map the other day and it was 49-46 me and we both had grabbed but he capped right before me but I still won :P
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If you are holding the flags while a team caps and gets 50 points, you should not be granted the extra points for holding the flags. This is a flaw in the game and everyone who can use simple logic knows this.
This game is based around CTF.
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That's arguable, olbaid. It'd be also possible to say a flaggrab needs always to be credited.
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If you are holding the flags while a team caps and gets 50 points, you should not be granted the extra points for holding the flags. This is a flaw in the game and everyone who can use simple logic knows this.
This game is based around CTF.
Simple logic:
The team with the most points wins.
If you're holding flags at the end of the match, your team gets additional points.
If your team has the most points, you win.
That's not a flaw in the game. That's just how it was designed, and it's been that way for over 10 years. This game is based on points. Capturing the flag is just one of many ways to get points. Holding flags at the end of a round or match is another way to get points. If you think the game should be changed so that you don't get points for holding flags at the end of the match, I guess we can put it up on the feature vote, but I don't think everybody will agree.
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<@XtremeBain> we only started seeing this scenario when he introduced overtime and fixed the bug where multiple flags didn't count properly (only once for 2 pts) when a team hit 50pts
<@XtremeBain> before then, if you hit 50pts, the other team would get 2pts only
<@XtremeBain> and it only happened every so often that it would be 45-49 goto 50-51, and that was regarded as a "glitch"
<@XtremeBain> so the win was counted for the capping team
<@XtremeBain> now that most maps are 2 flag, points being counted properly, the chances of it happening are higher
If you're holding flags at the end of the match, your team gets additional points.
should always be whoever gets to 50 first. That's the point of ctf. Why should points be added AFTER the fact that a team gets 50. :/
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Maybe it's just me, but if the game is based on points then why is there a limit set to reach? Setting a defined limit seems that the first person to reach this limit wins. Otherwise why set one, and just have the full 20 minutes played out with whoever has the most points wins?
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If anyone listens to Jitspoe about matching rules is a complete newbie. If you're going to want to make some rules try having some kind of reputation in the competitive clan community before you do it. When is the last time you matched? I know you can't tell us. You'll probably come up with something like, "What the intercourse, I develope all day I have no time to match and compete." We all know you make that obvious when you put in new things like impact grenades and tripping, and yes primed grenades are the exact same as regular grenades. When it comes to matching you have no say or authority.
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I think he has some authority seeing as he pretty much owns this game...
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Whoever the game says wins, wins. This is the first time I've heard any different.
thank you
edit:
, I guess we can put it up on the feature vote, but I don't think everybody will agree.
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Agreed Dukky. Although other people should also be consulted; Matching Clan Leaders, the most Active members and obviously the committee. I do not believe however on Olbaids thoughts of the full 20 mins rule. If two clans are equal enought and defensive enough not to get to 50 before the end of the time limit, then good for them.
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I believe the main problems are, the choosing maps and servers in Euro vs American matches.
Also seen some problems with disconnecting before caps, some say ff, others let it go.
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realistically speaking its just common courtesy to let it go
(we dont cos its unfair really)
but IMO its the persons fault if there capped on idle
personally disconnection to prevent caps/points is serious matters! FEATURE VOTE FTW!