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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Kyuuchi on January 27, 2010, 09:02:45 AM
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Committee
So, I've probably started a massive flame thread here, where each Committee Members "e-friends" will back them up saying "No, no you're wrong" etc. But let me share my thoughts on the current committee members, their decision making and the committee as a whole.
In no particular order:
Cola
Gamabunta
oNd (formerly Death)
Filp
Asthor
Zimtstern
Cameron
Justinph5
Henrod
Superman
More details to come. I haven't gotten the permissions set yet.
As you see in the above quote, they are the current Committee members. I was recently searching the memberslist to see when each member was last active.. Here's a few I was pretty shocked about:
Name: oNd
Posts: 52 (0.049 per day)
Position: Committee Member
Date Registered: March 12, 2007, 03:28:20 PM
Last Active: October 18, 2009, 02:43:05 PM
Name: SuperMAn
Posts: 304 (0.189 per day)
Position: Committee Member
Date Registered: September 02, 2005, 06:39:07 PM
Last Active: January 21, 2010, 01:02:09 AM
Name: coLa
Posts: 995 (0.784 per day)
Position: Committee Member
Date Registered: August 06, 2006, 07:59:24 PM
Last Active: January 17, 2010, 09:02:29 PM
Some people are going to say soon "Not everyone checks the forums every day like Kyuuchi does,
people have a life too" blah blah blah. Allow me to quote their applications from the nominating
thread.
How much time per week would you be willing to dedicate to resolving issues brought up to the committee?
I'm online at least 3-5 hours everyday. So probably that much.
How much time per week would you be willing to dedicate to resolving issues brought up to the committee?
- Every day.
Superman's application was editted.. Hm..
Anyway, this just shows that the commitment of some committee members just isn't good enough.
People have said they'd be online every day when on the committee, but they clearly aren't.
This could be holding back some decisions, causing the whole process to be backed up, and then
getting the public annoyed. Personally, I think jitspoe should remove the inactive committee
members from the committee, go back to the "Seeking Committee Volunteers" thread, and pick
some more members. There are a few good committee members also, Gamabunta and Asthor for
example. I check their profiles and they have been active generally every day. This is how the
committee should be..
Also, I'm pretty pissed off that Rick has been unbanned. I don't give a fuqk about him being
an "honest" distibutor, who gave himself up. That doesn't wash in my eyes. He still cheated.
He still broke the rules. In my opinion, ban times should never be removed. Never. If you
cheat/hack/modify/distribute stuff or do anything that's against the rules, you should be
punished and that punishment should stand. I also think that this has happened due to a biased
committee. Henrod, Justinph5 and Cameron. All good buddies of Rick. Also clanmates of Rick,
they obviously thought "Hmm, let's get Rick unbanned! Yeahh! Lets do it!!" they obviously set
up a poll in the committee members section, with options "Reduce ban, Remove ban, Keep ban"
I bet jitspoe didn't actually create the thread, but anyway. Rick should be banned. I have
nothing against Rick, just the fact that the committee unban him because he's their bud.
I don't care what the members have to say about this, it's obvious in my eyes.
Having the option to remove bans should be gone. They broke the rules, the punishment should stand.
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(Btw, I wrote this up in notepad which is why there's a kinda column-style to the thread...)
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i bet u think u should be in the commitee
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I never said that anywhere. I think jitspoe should rethink the committee members, that is all.
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i dont think he cares that u think that he should rethink something ok ?
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I have to agree with you in the first case. I'm not sure how much was the rick's justify manipulated so I can't say much to this - I didn't even know that he is unbanned.
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I do agree with Kyuuchi about the Inactive members should get replaced. It makes things take so much longer when there are a few inactive guys on it. That's why the committee usually starts out really fast, but then after a year it's back to the same slowness. People quit/go inactive/go to university/get a job etc.. so it's nothing against them or anything, but it shouldn't be taking months to figure out a multi account because of lack of votes.
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there s already a thread in the committee section to replace ondramh with another east european.
but the rest is ok we got enough.
EDIT: ideas for ondramh? :)
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I do agree with Kyuuchi about the Inactive members should get replaced.
+1
It's unacceptable that it takes up to weeks (and in some cases months!!) to ban people for hacking. Please get some active members, or totally stop with the commitee and give Jitspoe back the responsibility. Another idea might be to reduce the commitee back to 4-5 (ACTIVE) members
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I think T3RR0R15T and perhaps 1-2 more should replace the inactive committee members..
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+1
It's unacceptable that it takes up to weeks (and in some cases months!!) to ban people for hacking. Please get some active members, or totally stop with the commitee and give Jitspoe back the responsibility. Another idea might be to reduce the commitee back to 4-5 (ACTIVE) members
Asthor
Zimtstern
Cameron
Justinph5
Henrod
+-Gamabunta
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Still 3 s2k members in the committee. Still the problem of the committee being biased.
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Still 3 s2k members in the committee. Still the problem of the committee being biased.
Kyuuchi, what exactly is the point of your topic? The (partial) inactiviness of the current commitee? Or the fact that you have personal reasons to disagree with Rick's unbanning?
If it's the activity matter, I agree the inactive members should be removed from the commitee. If you think you make a chance to replace them... grow hair on different places than your head and come back in 3 years
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Still 10 humans in the commitee. Still the problem of the commitee being biased.
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The point of the topic is the fact that the committee members are biased, and the fact that some members aren't active. I never ever said I wanted to replace them, so stop putting words into my mouth. I'm just offering my feedback, oh, and good one about growing hair. Really funny. I chuckled.
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who is ondramh ??? ??? ?
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Okay, heres my opinion of the current committee and who should be replaced:
Cola : Inactive, For somebody who is online '3-5' hours daily, he never manages to get on the forums. Also, doesn't play dp anymore. Should be replaced.
Gamabunta : I see him alot, he pubs, matches, and comes on the forums. I think I heard something about him only being able to be on weekends? But I still find him active, easy to reach, idles irc etc..
oNd (formerly Death) : outta curiousity, did he quit before even knowing he was on the committee? He never used the forums. I know he got in because he can speak czech and all, but hes useless to have in the committee.
Flip: I don't see him that often. I rarely even see him on IRC. So I don't know if he's active in the committee section, but he's certainly not active around the community.
Asthor: Doesn't go on IRC anymore, but I guess he's active in the committee section of forums, and speaks multiple languages?
Zimtstern: Active in the community, easy to reach etc.
Cameron: Active in the forums, not so much in the community. But always has good posts trying to help people. It's hard with his time difference to reach over IRC, but easy with forum msg's.
Justinph5: Active on forums aswell as IRC.
Henrod: Active on forums and IRC, and in my opinion the easiest person to get a hold of in the committee.
Superman: I think he quit dp? He's been going less active for a while, and I haven't seen him really for a month or so.
So outta the committee:
4 of 10 participate actively in the match scene. (Gamabunta/Henrod/Jusu/Zimtstern)
4 of 10 participate actively in the pub scene. (Gamabunta/Henrod/Jusu/Zimtstern)
6 or 7 of 10 participate actively in the Forums. (Gamabunta/Henrod/Jusu/Zimtstern/Cameron/Gamabunta/Asthor??)
4 of 10 are easy to reach over IRC. (Gamabunta/Henrod/Jusu/Zimtstern)
3? of 10 Speak multiple languages. (oNd/Asthor/Zimtstern)
That's just my opinion. But it shouldn't be taking weeks for alot of the voting to occur. People have better things to do then dp, so they go inactive. But once they go inactive for months, they should be removed and replaced by active people contributing to the community.
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I think T3RR0R15T and perhaps 1-2 more should replace the inactive committee members..
I was, but my english is too bad to discuss with the other members.
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oooooooo i wanna be a comittee member :D
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i thinksed jits in comitay bcuz he mede dis game and excrement
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rofl blaa.. are u saying that only jits should be the comittee?!
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To keep it clean, I won't say much. But to clear things up, Jitspoe created the thread because Rick asked for it to be reduced, and Jitspoe created the poll options. Also for the inactive members, yes, they are inactive, but they made those commitments uhh, 9-10 months ago. Things change over time, remember.
I'll make a thread in the committee about inactive members.
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To keep it clean, I won't say much. But to clear things up, Jitspoe created the thread because Rick asked for it to be reduced, and Jitspoe created the poll options. Also for the inactive members, yes, they are inactive, but they made those commitments uhh, 9-10 months ago. Things change over time, remember.
I'll make a thread in the committee about inactive members.
Thanks for clearing that up about Rick.
@Jitspoe, what the hell? Why are you allowing people's ban times to be reduced? Come on man. A ban is a ban, and bans should stand.. If a mass murderer goes round killing 10 people, and the police don't know who the murderer is, and the murderer turns himself in, does that mean he gets out of a long prison sentence? I think not.
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Thanks for clearing that up about Rick.
@Jitspoe, what the hell? Why are you allowing people's ban times to be reduced? Come on man. A ban is a ban, and bans should stand.. If a mass murderer goes round killing 10 people, and the police don't know who the murderer is, and the murderer turns himself in, does that mean he gets out of a long prison sentence? I think not.
You can't really compare DP to real life situations. It's a GAME.
BUT
I served a certain amount of time and I'm now on parole. If I do anything bad I will be shot by the deathsquad. k.
Also, I'm pretty pissed off that Rick has been unbanned. I don't give a fuqk about him being
an "honest" distibutor, who gave himself up. That doesn't wash in my eyes. He still cheated.
He still broke the rules. In my opinion, ban times should never be removed. Never. If you
cheat/hack/modify/distribute stuff or do anything that's against the rules, you should be
punished and that punishment should stand. I also think that this has happened due to a biased
committee. Henrod, Justinph5 and Cameron. All good buddies of Rick. Also clanmates of Rick,
they obviously thought "Hmm, let's get Rick unbanned! Yeahh! Lets do it!!" they obviously set
up a poll in the committee members section, with options "Reduce ban, Remove ban, Keep ban"
I bet jitspoe didn't actually create the thread, but anyway. Rick should be banned. I have
nothing against Rick, just the fact that the committee unban him because he's their bud.
I don't care what the members have to say about this, it's obvious in my eyes.
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Geez, it definately sounds like you have something against me.
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Hi Superfriends!!! I'd like to address all of Kyuuchi's VALID concerns addressed in this thread. Most of his personal opinions based on speculation will be disregarded, although I will address certain issues where I was personally named.
Personally, I think jitspoe should remove the inactive committee members from the committee, go back to the "Seeking Committee Volunteers" thread, and pick some more members.
Doubt anyone will argue with this logic. There is currently a committee topic on the matter and it will be resolved ASAP.
Both your points are valid Kyuuchi and pvtjimmy, although you seem to have little comprehension of what the Committee actually does or how the process actually works. The current Committee inherited a tremendous amount of work and while we do our best, we prioritize our time to make sure that really important matters are handled first. Other than multi-accounts, I don't see any other issues being “held up” in our forum. We have absolutely no control over how long it takes to ban someone after our suggestion to Jitspoe is submitted. As far as how long it takes Jitspoe to do things, you have to remember that he only has a certain amount of time to spend on this game and if I were him, multi-accounts would be the very last thing I'd want to spend my time on. I'm sure you can understand that.
Henrod, Justinph5 and Cameron. All good buddies of Rick. Also clanmates of Rick,they obviously thought "Hmm, let's get Rick unbanned! Yeahh! Lets do it!!" they obviously set up a poll in the committee members section, with options "Reduce ban, Remove ban, Keep ban" I bet jitspoe didn't actually create the thread.
Again you are acting solely on assumptions and have no real comprehension of the situation. Jitspoe created the thread and offered several options for the Committee. After looking at the issue, the Committee made a recommendation to Jitspoe on the matter. There were many factors that each Committee member weighed before making his own personal decision to vote for whatever he felt was proper and fair. This was treated just like any other thread that comes our way because that is our assignment as Committee members.
Kyuuchi you seem to be taking this all very personally. In what looks like about 70 lines of text, you have one well constructed thought about inactive members being replaced. The rest is riddled with speculation and opinion. Every one of your posts in this thread is complied of “The committee should”, “Jitspoe should”, “It's obvious”, “I think”, or “My opinion”. I understand that the forums are a public place that encourages all of us to share our thoughts and I think that is great. However, every one of your opinions and speculations is stated as fact, not allowing any room for discussion. Who are you to tell people what should be, in regards to the Committee, when you obviously have very little comprehension of what we do or the process involved? I'm sorry if that is harsh but I believe that it matches the tone of your posts. My suggestion to you is to truly grasp that this is just a game. Its not worth getting this upset over. Please for your own sanity, smoke a bowl and remember why you love playing this game. It is, after all, the best CTF any of us have ever played.
It's unacceptable that it takes up to weeks (and in some cases months!!) to ban people for hacking. Please get some active members, or totally stop with the commitee and give Jitspoe back the responsibility. Another idea might be to reduce the commitee back to 4-5 (ACTIVE) members
I challenge you to find a case of a hacker being reported and banned that took months to resolve with this Committee. Multi-accounting is not hacking and takes last on the list of importance for most members.
As for your other suggestion of a 4-5 person Committee, I would respond by asking if you think that 4-5 person Committee is a large enough sampling of our entire community to make proper decisions. The point of having 10 members is to have 10 different points of view, so as not to alienate certain groups or people. Also the voting process would be ridiculous. In a four or five person Committee, it would only take three votes to ban someone. Do you have three people in this game that dislike you? What if they were on the Committee? Do you think that would be fair in any way, shape or form?
Still 10 humans in the commitee. Still the problem of the commitee being biased.
Excellent and concise post. I'd buy you a beer for that one.
In summation we have an excellent Committee with excellent active members. We do not always agree on every issue and that is because we are ten individuals, each trying to maintain our own unique perspective. That is our assignment, and we do it to the best of our abilities.
If anyone decides to post in regards to any of what I said, I would appreciate factual posts or legitimate inquiries.
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Thanks for clearing that up about Rick.
@Jitspoe, what the hell? Why are you allowing people's ban times to be reduced? Come on man. A ban is a ban, and bans should stand.. If a mass murderer goes round killing 10 people, and the police don't know who the murderer is, and the murderer turns himself in, does that mean he gets out of a long prison sentence? I think not.
Kyuuchi I guess its still not clear for you about Rick. The reason his ban was originally so high was because of me and another member. The thread was made about Rick, and SOME information was put in about him. I believed this was all the information there was, and made my vote based on that information, along with the other member with me.
Everyone started agreeing with us and our decision on the ban and voting on it. That was when I researched and found out there was more to his story, that we didn't know at the time. I voiced it to the committee (and the other original member agreed with me), but at that time it was too late, and the votes had been decided and implemented.
Ever since Rick had gotten banned, there has been discussion about reducing his ban, since we didn't have all of the info at the time we decided the first ban. It's not that we just one day decided to reduce his ban because we liked him or any of the such, it started after we learned more information, and took MONTHS of discussion before we decided.
There you have it, even though I was his friend, even I gave him the ban I thought he deserved at the time, it was only after all the facts were in that I decided his ban was wrong, not because that I'm his friend.
DANG HENROD YOU BEAT ME TO IT! :P
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Hi Superfriends!!! I'd like to address all of Kyuuchi's VALID concerns addressed in this thread. Most of his personal opinions based on speculation will be disregarded, although I will address certain issues where I was personally named.
Doubt anyone will argue with this logic. There is currently a committee topic on the matter and it will be resolved ASAP.
Both your points are valid Kyuuchi and pvtjimmy, although you seem to have little comprehension of what the Committee actually does or how the process actually works. The current Committee inherited a tremendous amount of work and while we do our best, we prioritize our time to make sure that really important matters are handled first. Other than multi-accounts, I don't see any other issues being “held up” in our forum. We have absolutely no control over how long it takes to ban someone after our suggestion to Jitspoe is submitted. As far as how long it takes Jitspoe to do things, you have to remember that he only has a certain amount of time to spend on this game and if I were him, multi-accounts would be the very last thing I'd want to spend my time on. I'm sure you can understand that.
Again you are acting solely on assumptions and have no real comprehension of the situation. Jitspoe created the thread and offered several options for the Committee. After looking at the issue, the Committee made a recommendation to Jitspoe on the matter. There were many factors that each Committee member weighed before making his own personal decision to vote for whatever he felt was proper and fair. This was treated just like any other thread that comes our way because that is our assignment as Committee members.
Kyuuchi you seem to be taking this all very personally. In what looks like about 70 lines of text, you have one well constructed thought about inactive members being replaced. The rest is riddled with speculation and opinion. Every one of your posts in this thread is complied of “The committee should”, “Jitspoe should”, “It's obvious”, “I think”, or “My opinion”. I understand that the forums are a public place that encourages all of us to share our thoughts and I think that is great. However, every one of your opinions and speculations is stated as fact, not allowing any room for discussion. Who are you to tell people what should be, in regards to the Committee, when you obviously have very little comprehension of what we do or the process involved? I'm sorry if that is harsh but I believe that it matches the tone of your posts. My suggestion to you is to truly grasp that this is just a game. Its not worth getting this upset over. Please for your own sanity, smoke a bowl and remember why you love playing this game. It is, after all, the best CTF any of us have ever played.
I challenge you to find a case of a hacker being reported and banned that took months to resolve with this Committee. Multi-accounting is not hacking and takes last on the list of importance for most members.
As for your other suggestion of a 4-5 person Committee, I would respond by asking if you think that 4-5 person Committee is a large enough sampling of our entire community to make proper decisions. The point of having 10 members is to have 10 different points of view, so as not to alienate certain groups or people. Also the voting process would be ridiculous. In a four or five person Committee, it would only take three votes to ban someone. Do you have three people in this game that dislike you? What if they were on the Committee? Do you think that would be fair in any way, shape or form?
Excellent and concise post. I'd buy you a beer for that one.
In summation we have an excellent Committee with excellent active members. We do not always agree on every issue and that is because we are ten individuals, each trying to maintain our own unique perspective. That is our assignment, and we do it to the best of our abilities.
If anyone decides to post in regards to any of what I said, I would appreciate factual posts or legitimate inquiries.
Thanks, I suppose I'll leave the Rick situation. I still find Rick being unbanned unfair, but that's my opinion. So, I don't really want to keep talking about Rick, as it will eventually turn into a flame-war...
So, thanks Henrod.
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Thanks, I suppose I\'ll leave the Rick situation. I still find Rick being unbanned unfair, but that\'s my opinion. So, I don\'t really want to keep talking about Rick, as it will eventually turn into a flame-war...
So, thanks Henrod.
I know people are not comparing to real life; although, sentences can change, or even be dismissed, as new evidence arises.
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Thanks for clearing that up about Rick.
@Jitspoe, what the hell? Why are you allowing people's ban times to be reduced? Come on man. A ban is a ban, and bans should stand.. If a mass murderer goes round killing 10 people, and the police don't know who the murderer is, and the murderer turns himself in, does that mean he gets out of a long prison sentence? I think not.
The committee voted on the initial ban time (1024 days). I let them vote on reducing it as well. This isn't the first time the committee has voted on a ban time change. As for your analogy, I'm sure there are several cases where prison sentences have been adjusted, though I don't feel like looking them up.
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Rick is unbanned? Im not gonna say anything further then that, Then it would def turn into a flamefest.
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I don't think it would turn into a flamefest. It is all clearly explained in our previous posts. I welcome any questions and will answer them to the best of my ability. However, I beleive everything you need to know is addressed above.
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Leave aussie alone.
FREE AUSTRALIA!
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Ever since Rick had gotten banned, there has been discussion about reducing his ban, since we didn't have all of the info at the time we decided the first ban.
Without divulging any secret committee discussions, etc. can you please answer the following question?
Did Rick in any way shape or form distribute hacks/cheats/modified maps?
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everyone can easily contact me via forum msgs. mostly, i only look into the committee section several times a day to vote or to post something. i don't read everything on this forum so i can't answer on most of the threads. thats why some of you might think i'm a bit inactive :p
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Without divulging any secret committee discussions, etc. can you please answer the following question?
Did Rick in any way shape or form distribute hacks/cheats/modified maps?
Yes he did and was banned for 1024. Unfortunately not every issue is black and white. Part of the Committee's job is investigating and reporting a recommendation to Jitspoe. As far as I can tell from the previous Committee thread, only 2 people from the entire Committee kept their votes at 1024. Everyone else changed their recommendation to Jitspoe. The current Committee agreed with the majority of the previous one that in this case, the punishment did not fit the crime. Without telling tales out of school, thats the best I can answer your question.
Just like in real life politics, if you don't agree with the way the Committee handles things, it is really important to vote for someone who is more aligned with your point of view. It looks like we have some really good candidates coming up to fill the three openings.
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i think ondramh should be replaced and i should go to his place =D
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how is like 3/6ths of s2k committee members.. should just choose completely different people or something.
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This s2gey running a biased committee needs to just go away. I'll be the first to jump out and everyone that every topic we discuss is actually discussed by most members. There has been numerous times where certain clan mates that so happen to be in the committee together disagreed. Shocking isn't it? I do NOT get along with hardly anyone in s2k but maybe a member or two (I have my personal reasons for that) but I will defend them against stupidity. When some of you conspiracy theorist get your turn in the committee you will have the option to review anything that has been discussed in previous committee discussions. So here's one for you.... Put forth an effort, join the committee, drudge through all that there is, find the conspiracy and divulge it to the public to have all of the s2k members hanged. Go for it. If you find such a conspiracy I will quit the game for good (moot point nowadays). Hell, give Kyuuchi my spot on the committee and let him start now.
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flip dont rage ok =/ ?
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lol flip is corrupt kid#1 in committee
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It wasn't a rage. It was a truthful statement. I hold no animosity towards any of the s2gey conspiracy theorist. Let them have their dreams. I have learned that having an imagination is good for people. The best part of all this is when they get into the committee and see how things are ran they will feel like idiots but only for a short time. They will end up being too busy trying to defend themselves from all the latest committee conspiracy theories they now belong to. Regardless of who serves on the committee, it can not satisfy everyone all the time. Nor is a second or third committee going to have everything finely tuned as not to make a mistake. This isn't something that has been around very long in terms of the life of the game and it will never be 100% perfect. It will constantly be a work in progress much like every countries legal/governmental system. All you can do is voice a complaint or question and be open minded to the answers you get. Try to look at it through all points of views and not as some hot headed idiot who is upset that their buddy/internet rival got banned/unbanned.
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Only cheaters need to worry about the committee, the rest of us should just pretend it doesn't exist.
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Only cheaters need to worry about the committee, the rest of us should just pretend it doesn't exist.
BINGO
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Only cheaters need to worry about the committee, the rest of us should just pretend it doesn't exist.
Yes Henrod that is how it should be. But we can only dream right.
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This will be my 1st post in over 3 years and it will be a rather pointless one. Ty for your time :P
I think vLaD is already in a dream because the only reason hes so involved with the committee is all the hackers he surrounds himself with
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Triumphant return.
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Riddick how do i get involved in the committee do you see me running for it? hackers i don't give a excrement about them. if my brother hacked before does not mean that i will get pissed at him, i don't care enough to let a game ruin my real life connections with my family.
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shk homingbullet bullet iced vanity and im sure im forgetting a few...
all people who have been banned while in uR, if thats not surrounding yourself with hackers then i dont know what is
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Kalevi wants in commitee? how can me get in ? pls send email : italiia-rpz@live.fr
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i was surrounded by some of those players since they started dp and introduced some some of them too dp. will i stop being friends with them because they hack? no
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hi me dont need to comitee because me is best polak ok ?
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Kalevi wants in commitee? how can me get in ? pls send email : italiia-rpz@live.fr
hi me dont need to comitee because me is best polak ok ?
the fakers are getting boring, can anyone please find a funny way to show you're a retard?
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hi jimmy , me isnt fake i know my english is suck but sry u are jealous maybe i am good in digital paintball 2 i think c2o > darkness
Ps : me is best polak
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Riddick thinks he should be on committee :)
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Who's Riddick?
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I vote for vlad, since he has the utmost diligence and determination. On forums 24/7/365 defending hackers, but plays the game maybe twice a year! he is the change we are looking for. yes we can! YES WE CAN!
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lol, I <3 u dystro.
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i think henrod should be in this committee thing
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lol, I <3 u dystro.
x2. Not too many people make me laugh that hard.
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dystro did you see me apply for the committee ?