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Fairness Enforcement => Demo Requests => Topic started by: vEq on September 04, 2010, 06:09:13 AM
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4.09 at about 12 pm
map: lockout
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http://www.speedyshare.com/files/24139571/otb_match2_20100904_115008_2_lockout.dm2
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I am sorry Shockwave. Please forgive me.
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holy excrement foxhound still trying to get us banned. he dosn't hack leave him alone my god. HAHA ITS SO OBVIOUS i don't see nothing wrong in that demo. grow up and stop complaining. you wana go see a obvious "HACK" demo go watch MuFF's on zpar, still haven't seen anything about that and thats bs.
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i think its quite obvious as well, imo the demo of muff doesn't compare to this.
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he dosn't hack leave him alone my god.
if he didn't hack i dont think you'd get so emotional about this. also if we could just take peoples word for it we wouldn't be banning any one at all. i mean jits took muff's word for it and he still banned him eventually.
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I am sorry Shockwave. Please forgive me.
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getting emotional lmfao are you serious? i'm just sick of seeing shk, me and myers getting demo requested constantly. don't you guys know yet after 300 demo requests WE DONT HACK. and i strongly recommend you stick to your merry little counter strike fox.
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Did not watch the whole video on vimeo(those sounds are crap.) but I know what you mean at 9:20 and srsly you wasted time of my life.
Two options:
1. Ever heard of voice recon and the word "incoming"?
2. Mere chance.
But it is definitely not a prove for a wh.
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Well at the beginning you can tell he doesn't wallhack, he lines spots that are obvious and everyone goes there.
@Foxhoud: At 9:20 that didn't show anything, he hid behind a wall lining a guy, who went through to grab and he didn't even see him. There were a couple weird shots but everyone lines spots or plus attacks corners so nothing suspicious... Either he was trying hard to disguise it or he wasn't at all, so many times where sTn guys were just above or under him and he was spraying around with no clue of where they were at.
EDIT: I'm saying there were suspicious times, but that wasn't one of those... Idias <3's Riddick
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I am sorry Shockwave. Please forgive me.
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Cool story bro.
How about you just stick to trying to get him banned.
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haha its so obvious, myers if you even try to stick up for him this time...
Well apparently all the other demos he's had are obvious too, in your opinion. But you're posting on a public forum so yes I'm going to say my opinion on it. You can say 'OH YOU'RE DEFENDING HIM CAUSE HE'S IN YOUR CLAN' - but if you don't want opinions from people in the community then leave it in your IRC channel where all of you guys can go on about how he hacks.
First off, the demo itself did not look bad to me. The video gwb made had parts that yes look bad. But, you have to realize the map - If you respawn high there's 2 possibilities where the other team can come out of, so you spray them. He was right maybe 50% of the time on that. Then if you respawn low, you spray across which is really the only line you can have. I see plenty of sprays on a small map with limited lining spots and voice recon (Which yes they did do).
I certainly see how you would find it suspicious, well for 1 because you already think he hacks so you treat every moment way worse then it should be treated. And 2 since there's only really 1 line if your low, and 2 if your high, your more then likely going to hit people before they appear on your screen, so when you do watch it with wall hacks it does look bad.
i think its quite obvious as well, imo the demo of muff doesn't compare to this.
Actually MuFF's demo DOES compare because it's an accusation of speedhacks. So it's less 'opinionated' on the person and more noticeable to just watch. Accusations of wallhacks are usually viewed different based on what you think of the player. But then again that's why the committee is a group of 10 people, so you get multiple opinions before a ban is set.
Just mad that I play games that cost money. Start woodchippin' too and maybe you will make enough to buy a real game.
I laughed really hard. We're all jealous that you spend your time not only on dp, but also on other games you spend your money on! How exciting. Then the solid woodchippin' reference to shockwave because that's his job, just hilarious! You're such a comedian! I mean I definately wish the money I make from work goes to paid games so I can brag about it! lmfao.
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I am sorry Shockwave. Please forgive me.
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It isn't looks like wh for me....
The best moment:
Veq: u ff!
Btw. Where can i donwload this sounds?
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But then again that's why the committee is a group of 10 people, so you get multiple opinions before a ban is set.
the most suspicious moment in the video is him shooting at people on the other side of the wall. not aiming for an opening of a door, actually shooting right at them as if he can see them. he also changes position when people start moving closer to where they will be able to shoot him, while they are through a wall. with out seeing them he wouldn't be able to know they were moving position, especially a fraction of a second after they start moving. also, after the other team mentions him maybe using wall hacks he starts playing almost as if he turned wall hacks off.
doesn't mean they can't be cool with the person in question and letting them slide by because of that. for instance jitspoe didnt ban muff when he saw he was hacking he just took his word for it. sure later he actually did but that the fact of the matter remains, a committee can be corrupt. even if it was a democratic system where all the players got to voice their opinion, the majority rule could easily be biased. since you want multiple opinions, the majority of dp thinks you hack!!! so if the majority should rule i think we should bypass the committee and just ban you guys any ways.
also myers, i like how i start talking about a hack i think shk used and with out telling you what it was or describing it you guessed it. hmmm....little insider info eh? perhaps i was/have been right.
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t he also changes position when people start moving closer to where they will be able to shoot him, while they are through a wall. with out seeing them he wouldn't be able to know they were moving position, especially a fraction of a second after they start moving.
exactly what i said and its true. hes walling just a matter of time...
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also myers, i like how i start talking about a hack i think shk used and with out telling you what it was or describing it you guessed it. hmmm....little insider info eh? perhaps i was/have been right.
Are you serious? Speedhacks are obvious, aimbots are obvious, the only thing you could be accusing him of is wallhacks.
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Are you serious? Speedhacks are obvious, aimbots are obvious, the only thing you could be accusing him of is wallhacks.
viciouz that was actually referring to a speed hack in the discussion i had with myers. he thinks muff used one also
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the fact of the matter remains, a committee can be corrupt. even if it was a democratic system where all the players got to voice their opinion, the majority rule could easily be biased. since you want multiple opinions, the majority of dp thinks you hack!!! so if the majority should rule i think we should bypass the committee and just ban you guys any ways.
So what you are saying is you want vigilante justice? Bypass the jury and overrule the judge and do what you want anyway? In the immortal words of nub - "cool story, hanzel"
This is why there IS a committee AND judge Jitspoe. I wish you would quit talking for "most of the community". Let them speak for themselves. If YOU believe he hacks why not put forth the effort to provide some proof instead of random accusations about what he/she said. Better yet why not talk to "most of the community" and have them bar shk from matching? Can't hack you if you don't accept the match right? In the past, even when someone has been detected with cheat detection, people still matched them while they were banned in private servers. Most of these people who matched the banned individuals would be the ones who accused them in the first place. Really? Have "most of the community" do something that takes personal dedication and a initiative on their part and see how that works out for you.
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flip, i've been putting forth effort pointing at evidence, hence these posts you hate so much. just because there is a committee and judge doesn't mean it can't be biased, as i've shown proof of as well. you want some personal dedication and initiative then put me on the committee, though i still don't believe its working as well as you've claimed. i'll be glad to put some time in to it.
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If YOU believe he hacks why not put forth the effort to provide some proof instead of random accusations about what he/she said. Better yet why not talk to "most of the community" and have them bar shk from matching?
Vimeo
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flip, i've been putting forth effort pointing at evidence, hence these posts you hate so much. just because there is a committee and judge doesn't mean it can't be biased, as i've shown proof of as well. you want some personal dedication and initiative then put me on the committee, though i still don't believe its working as well as you've claimed. i'll be glad to put some time in to it.
I still don't get you. You claim the committee is biased. It has 10 members who look at evidence and vote on the subject at hand. Majority wins. If you think it is biased then why do you want in? It would still be biased even with you in it. Majority wins. I never said the committee works well. I said it is better than vigilante justice. It works. It is a fairly young committee that has to polish the rough edges. There are plenty of things going on and topics that we discuss on a regular basis that has nothing to do with shk but a lot to do with how things work.
But back to my original question.... What have YOU done to help provide evidence since everyone you associate with just KNOWS shk hacks? What about my suggestion to refuse to match him and his clan? If you are so sure he hacks and since you are so willing to give him a ban based on a few demos that anyone could make on a number of players here. A lot of these players would be in the same boat. It is always the same excuses. "recon", "just lining", "plus attack", "meh new 7.1 sound headset" and the list goes on. There has been numerous demos of people submitted over the last year alone and it appears that when someone has rubbed a few prestigious people the wrong way the normal excuses just dont quite cut it for them like they do for others.
So gonass made the vimeo of the demo with the zgh overlay?
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I remember in the good old days, When everyone loved each other and played without crying so much. I miss the DeW days, Got demolished every match and still had fun losing. No forum post about it................................
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flip, we do avoid matching him. how ever he seems to just slip in all the time and i get tired of leaving a match we've put time in to because he decides to show.
also i've watched the demo of Riddick in the same match. the way he plays is remarkably different to the way shk does in the match and as i stated it only strengthened my opinion on this matter. since i can't take remote screenshots of him or make a video of his demo what can i do other than voice my opinion on the forums, as i am. i suggested that a video is made of Riddick's demo with penix on. we have one coming.
no i did not make the demo, not that it matters.
here's Riddick's point of view. compare it to shk's
http://vimeo.com/14944734
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Well, I hate to keep harping on you over the forums. Maybe we can set up a time to chat over irc, vent or teamspeak. Maybe there we can discuss this without all the e-drama or mistaken tones.
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Watch someone's demo who didn't go like -10... so if you think all of o.O hacks and wont compare their demo's to him watch bix's or something. You can't compare people of 2 completely different skill levels.
EDIT: You should talk in the thread where shk and Riddick are in the same match, unless this is completely different to the indune one. Also - Riddick's video was removed.
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but i can myers. regardless of skill level there is still such a thing as a common reaction time, even if some may be milliseconds faster and slower, and being able to see people from another side of a wall or not. Riddick and Shk have both played this game for many years which means they are both of great skill, even if one happened to be slightly more skilled than the other. it would be unfair if i compared it to a demo of a player who doesnt know how to change his name from newbie or doesnt realize what's happening when he runs out of air, which is why i chose Riddick and not some random newbie pubbing.
edit - myers. the videos are being uploaded to a different host. it appears vimeo doesnt allow video game videos. strange they caught notice of these videos while there are others on there...almost as if someone brought it to their attention. no matter, they will go up else where.