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Development => Bugs, Feature Requests, and Feedback => Official Feature Votes => Topic started by: KiLo on May 14, 2011, 03:34:58 AM
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Allow server admins to set a max ping on their server. The server checks a player's ping after a period of say 30 seconds, for example, if their ping is not get below the max limit then they are kicked.
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Good idea. +1
Now let's wait until Jitspoe add this on Feature Vote List, and never realise it. This is how almost every feature end.
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If this gets implemented I'll never be able to play again.
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+1!!!!!!!!!!11eleventy
(In case you couldn't tell. I was being sarcastic)
I'm with Cameron.
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If this happens how will euros and Americans match? Most Brazilians pub on American servers, and if they can't play on those where will they go? I'm sure you were pubbing, and you couldn't hit a euro and you got mad, and decided to come on the forums because you can't take it anymore :D
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If this happens how will euros and Americans match? Most Brazilians pub on American servers, and if they can't play on those where will they go? I'm sure you were pubbing, and you couldn't hit a euro and you got mad, and decided to come on the forums because you can't take it anymore :D
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This isn't to block from playing servers which you are far from, but to kick players that lag and irritates other. I guess 400 ping limit is enough. Tell me, who normal got ping over 400? Only kids, which forgot to stop porn downloading...
On the other hand: Aren't you frustrated when newbie just teleport over your line and kill you?
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this sounds like a dumb idea. What if somebody playing in a match has a sudden lag spike and their ping rises for a few seconds.If People have lag spikes but their average pings are below the required level to be in the server then people will start to complain. This idea would cause way more problems then it would solve.
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Their lag doesn't affect the server at all, so it really doesnt matter. Somebody with 150 ping can be teleporting more then somebody with 450 ping. And, a lot of players have spikes where there ping jumps to 1000 for a 10s, or in matches they are lagging to much to play themselves but still want to watch their team... there's no reason to kick people just because it gets frustrating for other people to play against them. Soooo -1
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KiLo said, that would be kick after 30 sec for example.
And, i see no problem for matches: cvar_set pingkick 0 ...
Somebody with 150 ping CAN be teleporting more then somebody with 450 ping
Yeah, he CAN, but thats not very often...
Looks like SKEET and MyeRs doesn't really read whole topic before posting.
Their lag doesn't affect the server at all, so it really doesn't matter.
Play at Podkarpacie_PL first... You will see massive lag when player with ping 500 enters...
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^ 'Yeah he CAN but that's not very often '' --> Are you like brand new to this game? Like seriously? I can have 50 ping and lag on your screen more then a guy with 250 ping. Rick has 250 to 300 ping and does not glitch at all on anyone's screen. Atmays had 30 ping and skipped on everyone's screen. It's pretty frequent that high pingers are just people who don't live anywhere near the server location, and do not lag, while low pingers can have bad connection and skip on your screen.
Somebody having high ping doesn't affect the server, or anyone in that server. The only thing they can do is potentially walk through your line which if you know how to aim isn't much of a problem now that we have interpolated hitboxes.
LOOKS LIKE PAYL JUST DOESNT UNDERSTAND MUCH BEFORE POSTING! He had an IDEA, how didnt we read the whole topic before posting? Silly european.
When a player with 500 Ping enters, the server will not lag because of that individual, it'll lag because of the stress on the bandwidth due to the owner having to many slots/servers available, or because it's a homerun server. Take your pick.
Don't try to talk all intelligent when you don't understand what you're saying. And try to give back an argument to support your idea instead of trying to look all smart, cause you're not. This topic has no reason to get done, it'll affect pubs and with the lack of players there's no reason to start kicking ANYONE out.
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KiLo said, that would be kick after 30 sec for example.
And, i see no problem for matches: cvar_set pingkick 0 ... Yeah, he CAN, but thats not very often...
Looks like SKEET and MyeRs doesn't really read whole topic before posting. Play at Podkarpacie_PL first... You will see massive lag when player with ping 500 enters...
Who the intercourse plays on this server its the worst dp2 server ever made. Even homeservers lag less.
Why do you even talk and attack skeet and myers? You just spam excrement in every single topic.
BTT: -1 for guys like cam and rick.
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LOOKS LIKE PAYL JUST DOESNT UNDERSTAND MUCH BEFORE POSTING! He had an IDEA, how didnt we read the whole topic before posting? Silly european.
Euro trash, you mean. Just like all Americans think they know everything <3 . Sorry, i'll let think like this, cause u flame. Homework: Think what Europeans think about you =] .
Why do you even talk and attack skeet and myers? You just spam excrement in every single topic.
Attack? Telling them, that they doesn't read topic (i have proof) is attack? lol. Funny. if i tell, that zimstern is wrong, i'm fool? Or maybe i get banned for that, because i "attacked" "Committee Member"?
@all: I didn't attacked MyeRs and SKEET, i just told truth, or rather, that what i think. And in response i got attacked by MyeRs and zimtstern. i'm not sure why, maybe because they think that payl is troll. Wrong.
No more comments on that.
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^ LOL You said to read the thread, we did and gave our opinion. You don't understand enough about the subject to realize a player with high ping doesn't affect anyone else, it doesn't affect the server, it just gives some people some trouble hitting them.
There is no reason at all for this to be enabled, it'd get more people kicked for a 5 second lag spike rather then fixing anything. You tried to hide the attack by telling us to read the thread when we clearly did and nothing you said in the 2nd post was posted. And I proved all your arguments wrong. That's all there is to it. Also, nobody attacked you, we proved you wrong. An argument isn't an attack. You fooooool.
BEE TEE DUBZ, I'm Canadian you silly euro. So I dont 'think' I know everything, I 'know' that I know everything. But, I'm pointing out basic facts that you for some reason refuse to understand. And euros love me.
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Yes, it's frustrating when you can't hit someone else because they're teleporting but that other person may see themselves teleporting in an even worst way than you do, their shots may take a lot more time to fire than yours do, they may fail a lot more jumps and be a lot slower than you are. So no, I don't feel sorry for people saying "lagger" in pubs because it has 2 ways. Of course it gets annoying, but just try to learn to live with it.
I'm with MyeRs... Atmays/Rick is a pretty good example of how ping isn't everything, and please, don't use the PodkarPacie_PL server example.
Payl, you do not get banned for attacking a Committee Member, you get banned for attacking a Community member.
American pubs will die since 2/16 are the only ones who are actually American and have "decent" pings. The rest are just South Americans and Euros...
MyeRs: Who? Besides payl obviously.
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yeah this payl kid has no idea what he is talking about.
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^ LOL You said to read the thread, we did and gave our opinion. You don't understand enough about the subject to realize a player with high ping doesn't affect anyone else, it doesn't affect the server, it just gives some people some trouble hitting them.
(there was more nonsens - removed due to limit of nonsens)
Funny, funny. But i have better idea. I just say something smart, and you keep writing many words with nonsens:
Think, what i think about you :-] . I'm sure you doesn't want to be threaded like that. If you want to write more nonsens about me, do it privately or create thread called "101 reasons to hate in payl". Pvtjimmy will post there with you :-] .
Ah, one thing more, If you are Canadian, then sorry Americans, Canadians are silly ;) .
I'm with MyeRs... Atmays/Rick is a pretty good example of how ping isn't everything, and please, don't use the PodkarPacie_PL server example.
Podkarpacie_PL is one of servers, so i used it as example. Some people play there, so it's good example. Because of worst connection. We aren't showing BEST pings, but WORST, right?
Yes, it's frustrating when you can't hit someone else because they're teleporting but that other person may see themselves teleporting in an even worst way than you do, their shots may take a lot more time to fire than yours do, they may fail a lot more jumps and be a lot slower than you are. So no, I don't feel sorry for people saying "lagger" in pubs because it has 2 ways. Of course it gets annoying, but just try to learn to live with it.
okok, just don't tell me, that you lag with ping 10. I don't believe. Do you know what ping is? Everyone knows that high ping<>lags. So please, stop posting about "I have ping 5 and teleport over whole map". But when you have ping 500, you have lags. Of course, if you know what lags are.
Payl, you do not get banned for attacking a Committee Member, you get banned for attacking a Community member.
Yes, i've already created other account on dplogin and on forums, so don't worry, i'm ready :-].
yeah this payl kid has no idea what he is talking about.
Thenks SKEET for your opinion. I don't know what i'm talking about, i'm just newbie which play 4 years.
Now waiting until someone posts that he plays 4.0000000001 years so he is better and i'm bad. :-]
I see that i meet here same people as on servers: "hahaha i win","hahaha scared", "hahaha noob", "hahaha you fool". Good job. Now think, that you might said "i'm sorry", "Thanks", "No problem". But well... flame <3.
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Thenks SKEET for your opinion. I don't know what i'm talking about, i'm just newbie which play 4 years.
Now waiting until someone posts that he plays 4.0000000001 years so he is better and i'm bad. :-]
I see that i meet here same people as on servers: "hahaha i win","hahaha scared", "hahaha noob", "hahaha you fool". Good job. Now think, that you might said "i'm sorry", "Thanks", "No problem". But well... flame <3.
well listen here "Kid" everybody is entitled to their own opinion but that does not give you the right to attack other people when they try to correct you. There is a time and place for such words as "haha noob" and "HahaHa I Win" such as in the game. but on the forums you need to show respect or else you will probably be banned. and seeing as how long this game has been around 4 years is not that long. You are a DP baby.
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#1 - His words make more sense than yours, and I'm not just talking about your english. This is not personal hatred, this is us being objective about something and showing our opinion, and yes, I'm not your biggest fan either... You're also making this personal so don't tell other people are attacking you if you're doing the same. And don't go with "he threw it first so I throw it back" Thx.
#2 - Yes but it's a terrible example of a server because it's a terrible server. Doesn't really matter anyhow.
#3- Yes but MyeRs gave a perfectly good example of a case where what you said doesn't apply. Point here isn't just if they lagg or not, the point is that you shouldn't kick someone off for having an high ping. Looks like you're reading with a filter or something, this was just 1 [ONE] (<-- yeah I remember) of the reasons, read the whole thread and you'll find others.
#4- Thanks for the heads up, good to know you're prepared. FORUM MULTI ALERT. Also if you wanna be prepared go get a nuclear shelter or something, I believe your IP is banned so won't do you any good, not sure tho?
#5- Couldn't care less for how long you play. I'd rather listen to a newbie saying wise things than an older player saying senseless stuff, which is the case here... This isn't a personal attack to you as stated previously and it's not a flamefest either, you're the one turning this into a flamefest by calling people out. Stick to your opinion on the subject and not to your opinion on people please.
You read what you want to read and you misinterpretate everything. Didn't see anything usefull torwards the thread itself in your responses as you didn't really comment on the Feature, just on what you saw as an attack to you...
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#1 - His words make more sense than yours, and I'm not just talking about your english. This is not personal hatred, this is us being objective about something and showing our opinion, and yes, I'm not your biggest fan either... You're also making this personal so don't tell other people are attacking you if you're doing the same. And don't go with "he threw it first so I throw it back" Thx.
#2 - Yes but it's a terrible example of a server because it's a terrible server. Doesn't really matter anyhow.
#3- Yes but MyeRs gave a perfectly good example of a case where what you said doesn't apply. Point here isn't just if they lagg or not, the point is that you shouldn't kick someone off for having an high ping. Looks like you're reading with a filter or something, this was just 1 [ONE] (<-- yeah I remember)
Idias, you hate me. And you can't just be objective. Don't tell me that you are, because no one here is.
"1 [ONE] (<-- yeah I remember) " - Yeah, i remember too, but i don't think that is good idea to mention this back. But well, i'm not going to throw it back, as you did it last time :-] .
Thanks just for not "attacking" me because of my english, rofl ^.^ . At least you can understand me, i hope.
"You're also making this personal so don't tell other people are attacking you if you're doing the same." - Tell me, what i can do? Don't response? "hahaha scared" :-] Flame with them? "User was banned for this post". So what i do? I'm trying to be nice (o_O). And, i don't know why, but everyone understand this as "attack".
#4- Thanks for the heads up, good to know you're prepared. FORUM MULTI ALERT. Also if you wanna be prepared go get a nuclear shelter or something, I believe your IP is banned so won't do you any good, not sure tho?
Don't worry, every service like "whatismyip.com" says that i have IP 0.0.0.0 or 127.0.0.1 . I guess it's enough. You can donate me, if you want me to build a nuclear shelter :-]
well listen here "Kid" everybody is entitled to their own opinion but that does not give you the right to attack other people when they try to correct you. There is a time and place for such words as "haha noob" and "HahaHa I Win" such as in the game. but on the forums you need to show respect or else you will probably be banned. and seeing as how long this game has been around 4 years is not that long. You are a DP baby.
>>"Kid"<< -when i called someone kid?
"You're also making this personal so don't tell other people are attacking you if you're doing the same." - That just made me laugh. Look up, SKEET. Who told "yeah this payl kid has no idea what he is talking about."? You. This is attack, flame and 0 respect. Now, please tell me, where you found that i'm attacking and not respecting others. Thanks.
And one more from idias:
>>"he threw it first so I throw it back" Thx.<< - Oh, tell me, what i have to do, if i got spamed by crazy people, which call me "fool" (MyeRs), "kid" (SKEET)? I'm trying to NOT throw it back, but:
1.It's not easy.
2.It's not easy.
3.Even if i rewrite message 100x to avoid "attacking", they just think that i attack. Because? Because i told "SKEET" and "MyeRs" that he didn't read topic before posting. And, for you, MyeRs, here is proof:
"The server checks a player's ping after a period of say 30 seconds, for example, if their ping is not get below the max limit then they are kicked." - First post
"What if somebody playing in a match has a sudden lag spike and their ping rises for a few seconds.If People have lag spikes but their average pings are below the required level to be in the server then people will start to complain." - Oh, SKEET, sorry, but KiLo told... ^.^
". And, a lot of players have spikes where there ping jumps to 1000 for a 10s" - MyeRs.
So, guys, did you really read it? ^.^ >>> I'm not sure<<< - But someone consider it as "attack" for your great players by fool-kid-newbie called payl :-] .
Well, it was my longest post i guess!
Ah, and if you want, i can create thread just to talk about me. Wow, i'm not longer 'quite' popular. I'm very popular ^.^
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lmfao. kilo had a 2 line post that barely stated any facts. what I see is that he said the server would check every 30 seconds. say a player is good for 25 seconds then has a 5 second lag burst and is then kicked. is that fair? you need to clarify your arguments because right now I can barely understand any of your poor english.
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lmfao. kilo had a 2 line post that barely stated any facts. what I see is that he said the server would check every 30 seconds. say a player is good for 25 seconds then has a 5 second lag burst and is then kicked. is that fair? you need to clarify your arguments because right now I can barely understand any of your poor english.
As my english is too bad for you, i will write it in Polish, enjoy! (Also you might notice that i made no mistake!)
A więc, oczywiste jest, że nie precyzuje on jak często będzie to sprawdzane, ale po jakim czasie gracz zostanie wyrzucony za przekraczanie pingu (30 sekund). Myślenie...
That was so obvious :-] . Now, try to understand. Next time you don't need to tell that my english is bad.
Also, with "lmfao" you show me no respect ;) .
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Holly excrement payl are you illiterate ? Or do you not understand english?
I've pointed out all the facts why this doesn't work and you take it so personal. Hop off man, you don't understand ping at all. Why doesn't Rick lag with 300 ping? Because it relates to his distance from the server location, not his internet speed. Like, I don't get what you dont understand. Here I'll write in capitals for you:
A PLAYER HAVING A HIGH PING, LETS EXAGGERATE AND SAY 1000+ PING, ENTERS A SERVER. THE SERVER DOESNT EXPERIENCE ANYTHING UNLESS ITS BANDWIDTH IS STRESSED, WHICH IS NOT CAUSED BY THIS SINGLE PLAYER. THIS SINGLE PLAYER WITH HIGH PING DOESN'T AFFECT OTHER PLAYERS EITHER. IT IS JUST HARD TO HIT HIM.
Why fix a problem that isn't a problem? Why not kick everyone who is jumping fast then, cause you know it's harder to hit them too!!!!!!! Stop defending the thread acting like everyone is against you cause your opinion differs and has been proven pointless. STOP POSTING HERE, MOVE ALONG.
Ping justifies location, and if you have bad internet it'll show lag. High ping doesn't always mean lag, this games also not big enough to boot people from pubs.
QUESTION: Do you read any posts? Or just choose single lines? Cause if you read, and understood any of the posts in this thread you would've stopped posting. Hop off silly euro. Nobody should show you respect because of how you reply to everyone acting like you are this super smart guy, but truth is you can't read. Your only comparison is some homerun garbage server, we gave you legit comparisons of players and servers, and explained to you how servers work, so enabling this would lower the amount of players in pubs, but take out maybe 2 people from each server who are lagging bad, and 5 who have high ping without constant lag. Goodday euro.
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lmfao. kilo had a 2 line post that barely stated any facts. what I see is that he said the server would check every 30 seconds. say a player is good for 25 seconds then has a 5 second lag burst and is then kicked. is that fair? you need to clarify your arguments because right now I can barely understand any of your poor english.
I think an average every of the last 30 seconds every 30 seconds is the idea, so bursts like that would get cancelled out unless they were very bad.
And also payl, it's quite possible to get low ping and high lag due to packet loss or simple bandwidth limiting, just unlikely. And if somebody says you're a fool, just learn to ignore it or kill their family or something, don't waste your time making it worse by writing a 5 point flame post with quotes explaining how your moral ground is so high you're suffering from oxygen deprivation. :)
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Idias, you hate me. And you can't just be objective. Don't tell me that you are, because no one here is.
Idias hates no creature. I may not like you, but I wouldn't set my opinion around it. I made an opinion as soon as I saw KiLo's post and I had certain reasons why I didn't want it to be implemented and your existance didn't change it in any way.
That's the problem, you are unable to see things as simple objections to your logic. You believe we're just trying to take down what you said.
With that being said I'll stop this senseless fighting and just limit to thread related comments.
Ok so explain this to me... You mean the server would check every 30 seconds for a certain max ping value or as soon as it hit that ping it would trigger something that after 30 seconds the player would be kicked? Because those are 2 very different things.
If the ping max is set from around 250 Aussies, South Americans and to certain people (me, for example) in euro-american matches wouldn't be able to play. If you set the value to 400+ it wouldn't change anything, you'd still have people lagging on servers and you'd be kicking someone and still have "laggers".
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chemical gets annoyed cause he cant kill idias, i think idias should get kicked from every server.
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it's what happenz you got da modified hitboxes. Flawlesssssss
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I just lol a lot when reading this topic.
Seriously Payl, no offense, but this is not the first topic everybody rages over you because of your way of writing. I don't think it's wrong to have different opinions, but I think you'll need to find a way to express yourself in another way.
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Let's try to keep our emotions in check, shall we?
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Let's try to keep our emotions in check, shall we?
no lie he probably has been in tears over this.
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no lie he probably has been in tears over this.
I was talking about rage emotions.
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I guess some clarification is needed. I have seen this on Counter Strike and Day of Defeat server and works well. Basically the server checks your ping consistently for a set amount of time and if you don't go below the max ping then you are kicked. As far as combatting lag spikes, which honestly you shouldn't even get a lag spike that affects your ping, you could have it check the ping 3 times and if it fails 2 of the 3 times then peace, the server kicks you.
Also for those of you saying that this will destroy the game and so on; it may or it may not because it is up to server admins if they want to set a max ping and if they do want it then they could set it to whatever they want. Myself personally I would probably set it to like 125-150 range. Which means no euros or brazilians for me.
Also people that have multiple servers such as CC or OTB could have a server with max ping and then one without.
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I guess some clarification is needed. I have seen this on Counter Strike and Day of Defeat server and works well. Basically the server checks your ping consistently for a set amount of time and if you don't go below the max ping then you are kicked. As far as combatting lag spikes, which honestly you shouldn't even get a lag spike that affects your ping, you could have it check the ping 3 times and if it fails 2 of the 3 times then peace, the server kicks you.
Also for those of you saying that this will destroy the game and so on; it may or it may not because it is up to server admins if they want to set a max ping and if they do want it then they could set it to whatever they want. Myself personally I would probably set it to like 125-150 range. Which means no euros or brazilians for me.
Also people that have multiple servers such as CC or OTB could have a server with max ping and then one without.
What would you set the max ping to?
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Myself personally I would probably set it to like 125-150 range.
Nuff said
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why put such a heavy divide between the american and the euro clan scene? I know this feature doesnt have to be mandatory on all servers but if people start using it then we would never be able to play each other.
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I guess some clarification is needed. I have seen this on Counter Strike and Day of Defeat server and works well. Basically the server checks your ping consistently for a set amount of time and if you don't go below the max ping then you are kicked. As far as combatting lag spikes, which honestly you shouldn't even get a lag spike that affects your ping, you could have it check the ping 3 times and if it fails 2 of the 3 times then peace, the server kicks you.
Also for those of you saying that this will destroy the game and so on; it may or it may not because it is up to server admins if they want to set a max ping and if they do want it then they could set it to whatever they want. Myself personally I would probably set it to like 125-150 range. Which means no euros or brazilians for me.
Also people that have multiple servers such as CC or OTB could have a server with max ping and then one without.
Have fun playing with the 3 or 4 people that will pub on your server :)
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Have fun playing with the 3 or 4 people that will pub on your server :)
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And if somebody says you're a fool, just learn to ignore it or kill their family or something, don't waste your time making it worse by writing a 5 point flame post with quotes explaining how your moral ground is so high you're suffering from oxygen deprivation. :)
Alright. Going to kill their family.
Seriously Payl, no offense, but this is not the first topic everybody rages over you because of your way of writing. I don't think it's wrong to have different opinions, but I think you'll need to find a way to express yourself in another way.
Yay sure, i'm flaming <lol> or "fighting"... I'm trying to be nice, but if i say "Thanks" you mention it as "Hahahah u noob Thanks!". That's not my problem, you don't understand me, and start flaming with "kid" or "fool". So, final state: I tried to NOT flame, maybe if you look carefully, you will see that.
I guess some clarification is needed. I have seen this on Counter Strike and Day of Defeat server and works well. Basically the server checks your ping consistently for a set amount of time and if you don't go below the max ping then you are kicked. As far as combatting lag spikes, which honestly you shouldn't even get a lag spike that affects your ping, you could have it check the ping 3 times and if it fails 2 of the 3 times then peace, the server kicks you.
That was obviously (for me) what you mean... and when we look from that way, it looks like SKEET and MyeRs didn't read whole topic.
Almost every ping-kick system firstly notice you that you have ping over limit, and says it will kick you in for example 30 seconds. So, lag spikes doesn't change anything. That's why the whole thread gone like that (flame). Good job, everyone and me. ^.^
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Calm it ladies, only need yesses and noes and whies and replies here.
Ping goes over, don't show a bloody message. If they're under for the first 30 seconds of the match, just let em stay, saves having to monitor the ping.
I'm still way against it, because if Kilo is suggesting 125-150, that's probably where most admins would put it for a server to actually be worth having it, and I'd have to wait until sherhoe told all of China about this game to play again. Aussies, look I tried, wasn't gonna happen with things like COD around.
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If they're under for the first 30 seconds of the match, just let em stay, saves having to monitor the ping.
Exactly no need to waste resources and continue to monitor once they have already checked out.
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http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10270
-1. People with high pings don't necessarily result in laggy movement. That's due to packet loss. What we need to implement is a feature to smooth out laggy players, not limit pings.