Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Issues for Committee Review => Topic started by: MyeRs on July 11, 2011, 11:39:38 AM
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Another day, another problem.
This is by no means out of rage, since we won the match. This is just basically not understanding how one player can move so much faster than any other player in the game.
I had a few other players (not on my team) watch the demo before I decided to post it and they gave me feedback. When watching it, you may want to watch other players getting chasecammed too since it's not a high-setting speedhack. Watch the difference in speed.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4UAGDDRR
10:30
5:20
5:07
3:55 (For the rest of the round)
AND JUST TO TOSS IN ANOTHER HACKUSATION! 0:32, why would you come around shooting me hiding!?!?!
EDIT: Ignore my playing in the demo, it was late and I did not feel like playing. Otherwise we wouldn't of had to go to tie map to win it ;)
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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=I2JU6EWK
5:30 to 4:52 hes defintely speedhacking in my demo
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Here is my demo. beta/pgptrain_b4.
It looks like speedhack. Two caps on ME.
13:00 and 12:18
http://bantero.us/demo/820
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Two caps on ME.
nothing special L0L0L0L0L!!!11!!11
I'll watch those demo's and let you know.
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I took the exact same roads as him, with the same jumps (in a corridor road aswell, which means he could not do faster jumps than mine) etc... Noticed a delay varying from 1 sec to 1,5 sec. And, when he is just moving around a lil bit (~ 5:07), his movements seem strange, like he stops moving and then teleports. Even more noticeable in luckmore's.
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Shk, would you post your demo's of that match again Myers/Riddick and Luckmore please? I've watched their demo's but they don't seem that strange. Seeing things from your POV would confirm this.
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Here is my demo. beta/pgptrain_b4.
It looks like speedhack. Two caps on ME.
13:00 and 12:18
http://bantero.us/demo/820
13:00 LMAO!
WTF! His ping does not jump, and even if it were lag, you don't only increase speed, you would stop or 'freeze' mid-air then teleport a bit. You don't only increase your speed by lag. And, that same thing DID happen in my demo, just don't that obvious/consistently. It'd be at the start before he would pick up all this speed off nothing.
ALSO: Look at the fact that he types topspeed after and shk did not have it. Kinda odd considering we just witnessed how fast he moved, I didn't see anyone else move that fast... But wait, speed hacks go unnoticed by speedometer and do not appear in topspeed. ;) It puts the speed you WOULD have if you were not speeding.
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LoL at 13:00 of luckmores demo.
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On pgptrain it look likes computer lags. Not more. I dont think its speedhack.
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Luckmore was raping with those nades.
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doesnt look like lag to me. i think its a low setting speedhack.
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Luckmore was raping with those nades.
With this ping pgp? ;/
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doesnt look like lag to me. i think its a low setting speedhack.
If it was lag, he wouldn't make those jumps.
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On pgptrain it look likes computer lags. Not more. I dont think its speedhack.
As said in my previous post, lag does not increase your speed. Lag can slow you down then 'teleport' you to the location you should of been if you weren't lagging, but I think it's clear that he never really slows down enough to justify that movement. He kinda just keeps increasing, not in a normal style of jumping. It's the same thing that happened a few times in the demo I had of him, his ping doesn't jump and he doesn't get top speed, but he has this little 'teleport/glitch' then goes faster then everyone.
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(Committee: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=23316.0)
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Any more off topic posts in this thread will result in a ban. Period.
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Flip i feel like this thread is harassment by myers and the thread should be deleted. Myers and reaver are just using the forums to bully him. its borderline harassment demanding somebody post their demos every weekly.
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Dear Skeet,
Shk is used to this and has always complied with demo request quickly and without comment. Even when he was first being accused a year or so ago, I got tired of all the demo request myself and voiced that opinion. With that being said, this is an open forum for discussion. I normally stay away from the threads unless people get rude or severely off-road a topic. This is a discussion. The same group of individuals continue to post off-topic remarks to annoy others. Everyone knows Myers and I do not get along but even he has the same rights as everyone else and I will do what is right.
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I am not going to respond to what you just said because i am not sure if you are taking it seriously. I know that people may have their biases but you should be fair when moderating forums. It is not fair to anybody to be repeatedly asked to post demos. Even if he does post them that doesn't mean that he agrees with it.
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I am not going to respond to what you just said because i am not sure if you are taking it seriously. I know that people may have their biases but you should be fair when moderating forums. It is not fair to anybody to be repeatedly asked to post demos. Even if he does post them that doesn't mean that he agrees with it.
I did not request his demo, so please take this argument to another thread. I simply posted my demo with suspicious times, and other people had demo's with the same suspicion so they posted theirs. A committee member then requested Shk's demo to see it from his point of view. I personally have only requested shk's demo one time. So I wouldn't call this harassment at all. I just thought he was moving faster then everyone else and wanted a second opinion, turns out I wasn't the only one who thought this.
But skeet, would you mind watching the demo then give me your feedback? I've matched with you before and you have accused him of speedhacking too, so I'm actually interested in what you view of the demo's.
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I am not going to respond to what you just said because i am not sure if you are taking it seriously. I know that people may have their biases but you should be fair when moderating forums. It is not fair to anybody to be repeatedly asked to post demos. Even if he does post them that doesn't mean that he agrees with it.
I am taking it seriously. I do believe I am quite fair. If you think otherwise feel free to send me a pm pointing out how I am in the wrong. I do not mind constructive criticism and I take complaints about my behavior very serious.
This was not a demo request thread. It is a discussion of a few individuals who think shk uses a modified speed hack. Jimmy asked for shk's demos in order to see it from his perspective. It was shk's choice to comply, just as it is always his choice to comply in any thread, to include demo request. It is literally that simple. All anyone has to do is post a demo or not. There is no need to discuss other stuff about an individual in this thread but if people really want to there is a whole section dedicated to this OTHER STUFF.
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It is not fair to anybody to be repeatedly asked to post demos.
How is this unfair if the person we're speaking about is giving reasons to ask for them? Also, like Flip already stated, as long as Shk publishes his demo's without any (negative) comment(s), what should we change?
A committee member then requested Shk's demo to see it from his point of view.
Jimmy asked for shk's demos in order to see it from his perspective.
There was no committee thread at the time I asked for his demo. From experience I can tell though that watching "suspicious" demo's from a different point of view might change your opinion about what is to be considered suspicious.
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thank you for clearing that up jimmy :). on a side note does "There was no committee thread at the time I asked for his demo" mean that this is now in committee discussion?
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thank you for clearing that up jimmy :). on a side note does "There was no committee thread at the time I asked for his demo" mean that this is now in committee discussion?
We can neither confirm nor deny this assumption.
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on a side note does "There was no committee thread at the time I asked for his demo" mean that this is now in committee discussion?
(Committee: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=23316.0)
That really should answer your question. But that doesn't mean anything whether it's in their discussion or not. I'm pretty sure the committee reviews most demo requests when people follow the guidelines of posting times.
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Edit: My forum lagged and posted
Shockwave has submitted his demos and this is an open discussion about these demos and not about why MyeRs requested the demo nor why this is harrassment.
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I feel that its clear that Myers is only asking shk's every other demo because he's "hoping" that something will be found suspicious. not because he "knows" or "thinks". But rather taking a spontaneous guess. Notice how the demo requests never happened until shk and myers didn't clan any longer. suddenly myers wants demos? couldn't have seen anything when he was in a clan with shk? because there honestly hasn't been any change in shk's game play that i've seen from when he was in a clan with myers about 2 - 3 months ago.
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Any more off topic posts in this thread will result in a ban. Period.
do you and skeet not know how to read?
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I feel that its clear that Myers is only asking shk's every other demo because he's "hoping" that something will be found suspicious. not because he "knows" or "thinks". But rather taking a spontaneous guess. Notice how the demo requests never happened until shk and myers didn't clan any longer. suddenly myers wants demos? couldn't have seen anything when he was in a clan with shk? because there honestly hasn't been any change in shk's game play that i've seen from when he was in a clan with myers about 2 - 3 months ago.
Watch demo's and tell us what do you think about it.
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I feel that its clear that Myers is only asking shk's every other demo because he's "hoping" that something will be found suspicious. not because he "knows" or "thinks". But rather taking a spontaneous guess. Notice how the demo requests never happened until shk and myers didn't clan any longer. suddenly myers wants demos? couldn't have seen anything when he was in a clan with shk? because there honestly hasn't been any change in shk's game play that i've seen from when he was in a clan with myers about 2 - 3 months ago.
Check the demo as LuckMore said. It seems pretty blatant. Oh, and he might sometimes, turn it off, which means he MAYBE didn't use it while you were matching against him. And yea, it's easier to realise that someone is hacking when it's your opponent, compared to when it's your teammate, this might explain the fact that myers is suspecting shk. And if you would've read the whole topic, you would've realised that myers NEVER asked for shk's demos. Jimmy did. But you don't even bother reading or checking the demos, so don't post if you don't know what you're talking about. But stay on-topic thanks.
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MOFO, first thing, I don't report his 'every other demo in hopes to find something', I've only ever requested 1 demo from him. Let's just clear the air on that one.
Okay, to be honest I was expecting a post like MOFO's this whole time. But he just worded it very badly... but I'm pretty sure a bunch of people are wondering it. Shk has been an accused hacker for over a year, and I always defended him, why NOW am I reporting him?
Basically I support everyone until I get reason not to. When I was clanning with shk I supported him on every thread where people thought he wallhacked because I truly didn't. But it wasn't just me who didn't think he was wallhacking or he would've gotten banned. So it obviously just wasn't this clear proof of walling, meaning it didn't give me enough reason to doubt shk and think he was truly hacking. I didn't do much defending in shk's 1v1 against bix because I found it extremely suspicious. (PS, we were clanning then).
Even when I clanned with shk in What The ____? I asked him if he speedhacked, (He may or may not deny this, not sure) but it's true. Just like SkeeT who thinks I'm harassing shk used to say how he speedhacks. I never had any proof of it, I just thought he moved to fast. Just like I didn't have proof he wallhacks and I still don't. That's also why I'm not accusing him of walling. So now, I saw 'weird' stuff and considered that enough proof and it turns out other people witnessed the same thing. I don't have a problem with shk at all, and just like before I wouldn't report somebody unless I feel I have proof. So the thing that changed from now and then isn't my clanning with shk, it's the proof I got.
As the committee knows, I fight a lot of stuff against them, but it comes from them having the 'evidence' or 'proof' and me not having it. I defend people until I get the 100% proof not to, and I thought this was 100% proof. I also thought MuFF's speedhacking was 100% proof, but nothing happened there. I understand demo's are hard to consider enough proof that is why I'm hoping Cusoman comes into this thread as he seemed to know exactly what it was based off the demo... he just didn't want to post publicly. Soo maybe he'll send it to the committee, who knows. Either way, I'm not doing this out of rage or anything considering my team still always wins, I just think the demo's are suspicious and should be looked at. I wont be upset if nothing happens since I realize demo's are hard to go off of, but I do find it pretty weird.