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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: Clipz on May 01, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
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The topic explains it, I've never seen this game so dead in fourteen years. Its slowed down but a new generation has always come after. I don't see this happening again unless their is some major changes to the game to make an attempt to get more people involved.
I don't even know if it is possible but to have a lobby when you first login to when opening paintball. Players could choose to idle it like mIRC. League of legends if I remember has something very similar. It could only help the clan scene. Its just a suggestion and should have probably been added to the suggestions section.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5ogOH82Aw
Let it Burn.
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The problem is:
The feature votes. They never get touched and just sit there. Our opinions are ignored. I personally think jitspoe should have more than just him working on this game if there's ever going to be anything great coming from it.
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It's unfortunate, considering jitspoe dedicated so much time for develeoping this game and how much time we spend playing it, having great fun in our teen ages. But the truth is, the scene is dimishing for years now, ultimately passing it's half-life.
The game itself isn't the issue I guess. Sure, it lacks standarts other games provide, but those games are written by more than a single guy who spends his heart blood in what was once his youth project.
Implementing these standarts wouldn't change much at all. It woudln't attract newer players, nor pull those who quit years ago. In the best case szenario it'd keep the established player base, though this base is thinner than it ever was.
The reasons for PB's slow death aren't that plain. I personally believe, the current generation of fps-shooters had an incredibly large imapct on pb's lifespan. If you want to play some rounds of fps nowadays, you just turn on your steam/ps3/360, play Modern Warfare or BF;BC with TDm or FFA. You'll get easy rewards, graphics, full servers and a feeling of accomplishment when you constantly pwn some pubnoobs (which I never felt when playing DB, there wasn't any competition pub, ever) and you can leave anytime, since you don't know anybody (which is very unpersonal and, from my pov, boring).
Back then, in the 2005s, for example, there wasn't a game like CODMW. Also, not every 12 years old had a 360 + xboxlive. PB seemed like a good alternative from other games such as CS or CC. Playing a little more actively almost always ended in joining clans and matches, which were so much fun playing because we knew each other.
Unfortunately, jitspoe couldn't really capitalize on the game, having an established, big player base. The lack of money, volunteers, promotion and time slowly killed paintball. The game changed since then, but it made almost no progression.
Another important fact: the players grew up. I started this game when I was 13. It was my first online game, it was free, it reminded me of q3 arena, there were other germans to talk and troll and people I admired in a way, which led me to exessive play, in order to surpass them.
3 months from now on, I'll celebrate my 20th birthday. I changed as a person, developed my interessts, going to join university soon. For me, it's no fun to play pub because seriously, even after 2 years of pause, I still beat the crap out of these newbies. But I can't spend my whole time on IRC, either, just to get a match started. There are other things i could do. And even tough one could say I should play matches occasionaly I refuse to, because of a simple reason: the less you practice, the worse you are. It wouldn't be fun to match and getting rolfstomped all day long.
I pity jitspoe, for he has spend so much time and money on this game. And I have a strange feel of pain, anytime I remember the good old pb time. It's been a part of my childhood but it can#t be helped. I really do think nothing can help this game surviving
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Heh you put it well.... I've just been around forever and don't want to see something I spent my child hood on die just yet.
Jitspoe: There absolutely needs to be something done if you want to see this game have success like it once did. If not I see this being the end of the matching days with a majority of the clans dying and becoming inactive.
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This time of the year again? intercourse off bundles of twigs, just because you are in your nostalgic moment and think 'OH ITS NOT THE SAME ANYMORE', doesn't mean that the game is dieing. Sure, the times are changed. Czechs/polaks don't idle irc, they get their matches from facebook/servers/icq/whatever. Open the serverbrowser on some evening. I did that the other night and I counted 130 people in servers. Imo, it has always been around 120-150.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MAKE THIS GAME MORE PLEASENT FOR YOU? HAVE YOU TRIED TO CONTACT YOUR OLD FRIENDS, WHO YOU USED TO PLAY WITH? NO? DIDN'T THINK SO bundle of twigs. ALL YOU CAN DO IS PUSH THE BLAME TO JITSPOE, BECAUSE, WELL, YOU ARE A bundle of twigs.
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Clipz brought back DyingJackal and a few others. Then they shortly left again.
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that was touching time2chill =( biggest reason for me why i liked the game was cos of the people i played with.. now basically none of them play anymore so it sucks.. and yea ofcourse i had more time when i was 13-15. now u have work and girlfriend and other excrement to worry about
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This time of the year again? intercourse off bundles of twigs, just because you are in your nostalgic moment and think 'OH ITS NOT THE SAME ANYMORE', doesn't mean that the game is dieing. Sure, the times are changed. Czechs/polaks don't idle irc, they get their matches from facebook/servers/icq/whatever. Open the serverbrowser on some evening. I did that the other night and I counted 130 people in servers. Imo, it has always been around 120-150.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MAKE THIS GAME MORE PLEASENT FOR YOU? HAVE YOU TRIED TO CONTACT YOUR OLD FRIENDS, WHO YOU USED TO PLAY WITH? NO? DIDN'T THINK SO bundle of twigs. ALL YOU CAN DO IS PUSH THE BLAME TO JITSPOE, BECAUSE, WELL, YOU ARE A bundle of twigs.
Chill, don't go full pb-community-member on me.
We all know these constant "dp is going down guys, kkthxbye" predictions, coming up pretty frequently by those who never managed to keep with the small match making scene. Those who needed an excuse for their own decline as players.
Nonetheless, one cannot deny how extremly thin the community got. Just look at IRC; it's darn empty there, compared to what he had 2 years or so ago. Sure, Pub's still somewhat "full", though pretty much unenjoyable. That might be my my opinion, but I'm sure as hell, you don't like Speed Server, either. Sometimes Arctic Pub is filled, which is quite nice to see, but unfortunately, it only happens sometimes. Supermans Pub is pretty good, I admit, but it's simple no fun playing with such a latency.
The sheer number of pub players don't draw a picture of the comm. all too well. They simple pub, never get involved into anything. Pretty contraproductive, if you ask me, considering we want the game to grow. Very few players make the transition into the more established area (like in every other game, but at least they're bigger). In fact, there is no player on IRC (except for the mappers) who I never heard of, and I haven't played for 2 years. Doesn't that bother you?
Nostalgia is what those feel, who spend a big chunk of their childhood with DP. I believe every single one of us is glad having made that experience. That doesn't necessarily mean, we want to "feel the time" again. No, I, for me, think nothing can bring back these days. Yeah even if my friends and opponents would play actively, it wouldn't be the same. One match here and there, nothing more. Like i said, we grew up, changed as person, have different preferences now etc.
I won't bring anybody back to play, because I believe they feel the same way. Plus: Nobody wants a community consisting of the same members for 20 years. The community needs progression not stalemate.
And don't get me wrong. I never accused Jitspoe of being the root of all evil. Those who do/did so, simply needed someone to blame, but when they actually thought a minute about it, they'd all realize he can't be blamed. DP cannot be handeld by a single person.
I don't want the game to die. I'm not here to tell you "face it, it's over". I'm not here to blame anybody of us. I'm only stating my concerns and beliefs on why the game is slowly dying and why I think, that nothing can really keep it alive this time
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dont give a intercourse, go away
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blaa with the typical dp2 response. LiKe u R CoOl BrO, Oh Shet u MaKe TuRniEzzzzzzzzzz. U MuSt B TOP ShEt BruH. You're "I don't give a intercourse about everything" attitude is so annoying, and never adds anything to threads. You do nothing for this community, little 5minute tournaments that pretty much organize itself, and you just come on forums to put down all other posters.
Clipz actually brought about 10 people back, which made a new team for the NA matching scene, made a few maps since he returned, created the pug channel etc... etc... So he's actually done more for the competitive scene then just about anyone in the last few years.
The game needs a lot done to it in order to grow, but with 1 person developing it, it wont happen. Especially when he's got a full-time job, and this is just his side project. But do you really thing he expected it to last this long anyways? And it's not like it's dead now, it's just dying. Every year these threads come up, because every year it dies more and more. There's maybe 4 NA clans that play, it's never been that low since I started this game. I counted 12 people online at 10pm EST last night. The EU scene isn't bad, but it's still dying. The IRC community is dead. In all, the NA scene (match and pub) is just about gone. If you look in NA pubs at night, the 6-10 people online are all BR's.
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Blaa is a great member of the community, wtfuonabout.
Jits needs help developing it, I think if the game looked nicer more would play. The gameplays all there, its a great game, but I just dont think its hawt enough.
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I have this attitude because these threads help nothing. Like you said, every year these are made. OHH JITSSPOE GET MORE DEVULPEOERS, WE GET DAUSANDS MEMBRUZZZ THEN.
who the intercourse unbanned you?
and who's stopping you to recruit more members, actually do something about it, rather than create a thread, pour your heart out and expect that somebody else will do anything? I've never said that i am the perfect community member, but thanks for your thoughts on my tournaments.
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I understand what you mean, but still: this is a forum: People meet online to discuss their concerns and MAYBE find a solution. Joining the thread with an immature troll attempt doesn't contribute anything. If you don't care about anything said here, why don't you just stay out, like you told me to do? You already stated your opinion. If you can't stand other opinions, don't get personal, but stay away.
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Okay.
I agree with most what time said. But with my trolling i tried to say that ideas and talk lead to nowhere.
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I know this game isnt same like 3-4 years before, but every day we play some funny 3v3/4v4/5v5 match. Today really good 3v3 vs DaRk. Game is still good and funny but dying :(
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I don't know how many times I can say this. You can't blame jitspoe for the community base dwindling. He's doing all that he can. A big part of the reason is that its hard for new people to learn. Another big part of the reason is the attitude of many of the players. Your former clan was one of the worst in regards of negative attitude.
What have you done to bring in new players?
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I don't know how many times I can say this. You can't blame jitspoe for the community base dwindling. He's doing all that he can. A big part of the reason is that its hard for new people to learn. Another big part of the reason is the attitude of many of the players. Your former clan was one of the worst in regards of negative attitude.
What have you done to bring in new players?
ive trained manyy players. and people really, stop with the blame game, jits has a life and once he is done with stuff he comes to work on this game. like really if you want to help out this game soo bad, why not train new players, and bring them to the matching. itz not jits fault
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What have YOU done? Why is it OUR job to bring players in? I've done so for 7+ years.
That's what I've done to help.
It's not jitspoes fault, but wasn't help offered MANY times? Why is it turned down? Dp's gameplay is unique, something different. I always come back to this game.
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Who is blaa? Thanks myerz for sticking up for me. I've done what I could. Once again whos blaa?
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Hm, so now it's important who in particular is stating their opinion?
Someone said that help has been offered many times, but it was turned down. Please, show me examples.
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Examples or proof? I can't show examples or proof.
But I've heard from many many people that jitspoe had people wanting to help but he refused, I've also heard eR33t was willing to help, but than was refused.
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Every day, month, year the same problem and we already tried so many things and nothing happend and dp died like 500+ times. The Best Idea was the Electronic Sports League [ESL] to get this game famous but all laughed and noone helped. You all just say we have to do something but noone let an idea come true. Just stop making threads like this... Its over ...
Peace.
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Several people have made contributions (ViciouZ and T3RR0R15T are prime examples). The problems come when people's contributions actually require more work from me. For example, if somebody wanted to help maintain the dplogin database, I'd have to write some kind of interface for that, because I wouldn't want to give somebody full raw admin access to the database (too easy to screw things up beyond repair), and there aren't many people I would trust with that kind of responsibility, anyway. I find it kind of weird that people seem to want to help out with the things they don't have access to, when there are a ton of things on the feature vote list that people could help out with that can be done with the already-available source code and whatnot. That makes me believe that if everybody had full access to everything, things wouldn't change much.
Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent. On the original topic, it's difficult to make the match scene grow, and I'm not sure what to do about it. The problem is that this game requires a rather unique skill set that takes most people years to build up to a level that's competitive with today's match scene players. The generic gaming masses aren't going to know how to strafe jump, do the various map-specific trick jumps, lead targets the correct amount, etc. The community is also very unforgiving. When a new player tries the game out, not only does he get throttled by the enemy team, his own team is going to get mad at him for getting in the way, letting the enemy capture the flag, etc. On the off chance he gets good at the game in a short period of time, people will start accusing him of cheating, being a multi, etc. An "I've been playing for years, there's no way some newbie can be this good" mentality. Ironically, people get frustrated by the very thing the game needs to survive.
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I agree with your facts jitspoe, the fact that this game has lived this long is remarkable. Thanks for a decade and a half of dp2 :P
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I'm not really involved into matching, so let me show my view in more technical matter:
Several people have made contributions (ViciouZ and T3RR0R15T are prime examples). The problems come when people's contributions actually require more work from me.
Fact, but IMO it isn't gonna change if you are 'brain' of everything. In my view, you should let others (i.e. people you mentioned) even take care of something, make them same level as you are. This can make them really involved.
For example, if somebody wanted to help maintain the dplogin database, I'd have to write some kind of interface for that, because I wouldn't want to give somebody full raw admin access to the database (too easy to screw things up beyond repair), and there aren't many people I would trust with that kind of responsibility, anyway.
There isn't anybody you trust in here. And that's IMO biggest problem. You want to control everything, everyone etc. etc. instead of making it open. If someone have skill to improve dplogin database and he is active for few years, why not let him help? But you look only what can go wrong. Sure, he can crash everything, this might force you to fix everything etc. But, if there would be more people helping, they help you fixing those problems, right? Yourself you can't do much, if you let many people help, even if somebody fails, others will fix that.
I find it kind of weird that people seem to want to help out with the things they don't have access to, when there are a ton of things on the feature vote list that people could help out with that can be done with the already-available source code and whatnot. That makes me believe that if everybody had full access to everything, things wouldn't change much.
People that tries to help you should have access to things they need to. Let me give you my example, PAC of course: It is working even without your help. It doesn't need great modifications to make it run within paintball. I've put much effort to make it. But even so, you don't seem to care about it, nor about things that could be used to improve your anticheat (i sent you PM about my utility program some time ago, never got any response about that).
This is how this works: People see you made awesome game, they want to help, but you doesn't seem to want it, so they give up. I know that you are busy all the time, but that means someone should help you with everything. But instead you choose to make everything yourself, doesn't ask anyone for help. Then you say that nobody makes anything you need.
Sure, often nobody knows much as you do, but if you don't let anyone get involved, how could you expect that anyone will know those things?
You try to centralize everything to you, i think that you should decentralize most of things to people that would like to help with that.
So IMO you should rather let people you trust the most here help you with everything. This is only good thing you can do. If this success, you should keep inviting new people, until you think you've got enough. And if this fails, well, nobody said it have to work. It's just my idea about fixing this.
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I looked around in that post, saw the word PAC, realised what was going on, typed this and closed the tab.
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I looked around in that post, saw the word PAC, realized what was going on, typed this and closed the tab.
lmao (fixed your typo btw <3)
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People that tries to help you should have access to things they need to. Let me give you my example, PAC of course: It is working even without your help. It doesn't need great modifications to make it run within paintball. I've put much effort to make it. But even so, you don't seem to care about it, nor about things that could be used to improve your anticheat (i sent you PM about my utility program some time ago, never got any response about that).
- Does PAC still get detected by antivirus software more frequently than PB2 does?
- Are you the person who would be in charge of looking at the logs of PAC?
- Does PAC require players to set it up if it was adopted into PB2?
- Can jitspoe actually work on PAC himself, or does he require you to do all the updating if someone happened to make an undetectable cheat to it? What would jitspoe do if you suddenly stopped caring about updating PAC?
I don't know how much has been resolved, but those are the things that can make PAC a not so worthwhile investment for jitspoe.
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I given PAC as example. Do not make offtopic about PAC here, please ask in PAC thread ( http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=24526.0 ). Then i could answer your questions. Thanks.
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@Payl
Do not make offtopic about PAC ANYWHERE but in PAC thread ( http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=24526.0 ).