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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on July 20, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
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Names used: [GT]BeViS, papercliper, [GT]ShyGuy
IP: 71.214.160.179
Servers: 69.93.11.66:27911, 69.93.11.66:27914, 69.93.11.66:27915, 69.93.11.66:27916 (GRaFFiTi PainT servers)
Dates: 2006-07-13 18:24:01 EDT, 2006-07-16 2:14:38 EDT, 2006-07-17 17:32:52 EDT, 2006-07-18 14:54:26 EDT, 2006-07-18 17:06:39 EDT
Cheat Detected: Wallhack (probably BSoD's)
This is a second offense ban, so 64 days on the GBL.
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give em a lifetime.
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ShyGuy and bevis = the same guy?
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bahahahaa!
shyguy and bevis are brothers. I always knew that little excrement hacked
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They have been warned before. Cya in 2 months.
Lol AH-HA Sk8ter it does take one to know one!!! ;)
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rofl wow... they both sucked anyways
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Count of hands and be honest, how many posters here have been caught or been known to use a hack. :) Thought so. GG
*edit I kept my hands down.
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ShyGuy/BeViS = KingSniper/PooH-BeaR
Everyone knew those two hacked months ago, I'm not surprised.
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loial, say that all you want. Those kids have been playing for like 3 years they know darn well. I was caught about my 3rd month, although that doesnt jusitfy it.
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Say what? You also cheated, right? I am new to cheating and cheaters so please forgive me.. ::) ::) ::)
I'm not surprised.
Again how can you be. you know everything. So, anything new? :)
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Loial can you please post without attacking someone for once. kthx
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rofl i caught one of them long ago. 2funny
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Where are the show of hands?
Loial can you please post without attacking someone for once. kthx
When, who and how was this 'attack' done? I am not making fun of the cheats that has been caught, just pointing out the irony of the damed laughing at the damed.
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User temp banned for this post.
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Loial. Please stop posting and hang yourself.
Thanks man.
Sigh. Where is this hate getting you? I asked a valid question and you post a stupid request. Bad XXX
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cant you just get it? maybe no one wants you around here. think for once.
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Loial. Please stop posting and hang yourself.
Thanks man.
There's a good chance you'll be tempbanned for that, just to let you know. If I were you I would of deleted that post by now.
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(http://www.arena-zone.com/upload2/uploads/93cc0ef39a.jpg)
please read that.
This IS a second time offense, and how much do you want to bet that GT wont ban them. IT DOES say anyone.
So much for "rules".
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LOL well done smokey.
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Good poiint. I will talk to Derrek about the ban.
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There's a good chance you'll be tempbanned for that, just to let you know. If I were you I would of deleted that post by now.
Too late. :)
Edit: And loial, your "you know everything" comment was inappropriate. I'm pretty sure that's what BooMeR was referring to.
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Lmao rofl, haha another hacker down.. thats pathetic, They always made fun of me for hacking and excrement, Wow, GJ jitspoe! I Love Your Darn Cheat Protection, Very Awesome!!! i can get around it though :p, haha, anyhow keep up the good work!
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lol jon not smart to tell him you can get around it
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My apology if he cares about such things, I really did not consider that a personal attack per say (not my style), but hey I am a human, sorry for the sarcasim Taco. I should have PMed you.
There I apologized like an adult. Lets see if others would be willing to do the same when they say something 'inappropriate' .
Speaking of....
What about Agents comment Jitspoe? Does he get told that was inappropriate. Becuase I doubt I will get an apology. Plus I dont see how shunning someone off the forums is helpful or needed?
Consistent treatment for all, please.
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PS Thanks for the taking care of Lun. Crap like that makes fourms in genenal nothing but a flaming festival and nothing gets done or accomplished.
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well, glad loial didnt reject the face that gt wont ban bevis themselves.
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what is it? 1st offense is a 1 month? 2nd offense is a 2 month? 3rd = life? this kinda ruined my day. i thought they were cool.
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lol jon not smart to tell him you can get around it
ROFL, its so true though... :/
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well, glad loial didnt reject the face that gt wont ban bevis themselves.
Smokey,
I think you ment 'fact' not 'face'. I did more than not reject this I will follow up with it, like I said. Also we talked about your behavior last night after you lost. There is no need to think the worst of GT. You assume we wont follow our rules, you would be wrong. Watch and learn. Also I am curious what makes you think we wont ban them? We have banned other cheaters. Perhaps we need to be consistent with Jitspoe's ban rules. I personally think that would be the fairest thing to do.
xsv??? Pardon? Please clairify.
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You didnt ban Clipz when he was caught. I was PERM banned when I was caught, clipz had no punishment. "Clipz hanst done anything to gt therefor he wont be banned"
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Like, if u hack 1 time. u get a 1 month global ban. if you hack again, you get a 2 month global ban. hack a 3rd time and its lifetime?
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im talking about GT's server rules. if you look at my screenshot posted, there MOTD, it says second offense is a LIFETIME ban.
They wont hold it up, solely beacuse of the face its two GT members.
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There should be Zero tollerance, especailly for people who call installing a program to cheat with "hacking".
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You didnt ban Clipz when he was caught. I was PERM banned when I was caught, clipz had no punishment. "Clipz hanst done anything to gt therefor he wont be banned"
Yeah, that's one of the things that really set me off about GT. They covered up their real reason for banning you by saying that it was because you'd hacked and made an offensive site about GT. Had you only hacked they probably wouldn't of cared at all. [/ends speculation]
edit: iron, wtf, stop selling the hacky packs!
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Man, these people just don't get it these days. You can't just pull out your penix and expect to get away with it. I think it is time to go public...
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1685/hack4shosp9.jpg)
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just give them their one month and let them learn
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k IrUn WutZ uR PaYPAL?
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im talking about GT's server rules. if you look at my screenshot posted, there MOTD, it says second offense is a LIFETIME ban.
They wont hold it up, solely beacuse of the face its two GT members.
Smokey please notice I am trying to be polite and respectful of your opinion. I would ask that all of you would do the same, for the sake of progress.
1. I read your post about the MOTD please re-read my repsonce. I keep my word. I will be checking with Derrek to make sure the IP are banned, not that it will do much good until hardware bans are in place. We can not do anymore than that presently. Agreed? Everyone? Comments?
2. They are not GT members any longer nor will they be. What gave you the impression they were still in GT? They could have just simply changed GT names and IP's . We dont condone this, aside from being honest with the commiunity we would like to set an example for other clans.
Sk8ter you will never be welcomed on GT servers and you know why, which gets into a question I have for Pink below.
Pink, I fail to see where anyone covered up his ban, please enlighten me. As far as i know the PIC was the reason. I also have heard he was caught hacking, what it was and how many times, honestly I know nothing about that.
Lastly I will remind the forum (becuase some are not willing to accepct) that GT is under new management and we (Derrek mostly) is working hard to provide a place where cheaters are not welcomed nor hurtful comments. We are there to have a good time with out cheating.
Comments?
Thanks for your time.
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Wow Iron! I wanna buy one as a gift for teh Jitler! Seriously though, the Vinne's Guide To Name Spoofing is hilarious -- my friends constantly tell me about him spoofing my name and then trying to act like me. Pathetique! ;)
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my friends constantly tell me about him spoofing my name and then trying to act like me.
Don't lie, we all know that you don't have friends.
Only people who are cool with Vinne have friends.
YHBT. YHL. HAND.
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edit:
Seems that this miniature discussian has come to a close.
Sk8ter you will never be welcomed on GT servers
actually, derrek is in the process of unbanning me.
Lawlercakes! :D
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actually, derrek is in the process of unbanning me.
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Sk8ter I hope you are telling the truth. Good luck.
Pink,
Correct, at least from my point of view. Was this ever considered? .....
Perhaps it was both reasons and they did not want to draw attention to something that frankly is very embarassing to the party offened. That is completely understandable and seems more logical than anything else that has been discussed here relevent to why GT banned sk8ter. Comments?
Lastly, where exactly does the forum posters get its information about GT from?, The forums? IRC? I am guessing its second hand or was it from DOUG or SHARON? I just would like to know the truth not the truthiness (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness) I think Derrek can settle this for good, tonight with me. Pink you are invited to sit in, seeing that you were set off by this. As a matter of fact anyone is invited that has an issue with GT. Also I take execption to some post that "GT" did or "You" did when it was Doug mostly who done the complainable offending. Please remember this while posting, he is not in GT, please dont referrence us. Nothing personal against Doug, again he has made some emotional decisions, like we all do time and time again.
Your thoughts?
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I am telling the truth, the only person that seems to have a huge problem with it is You.
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We shall see. Like I said good luck, no 'huge problem' with me saying that, is there?
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Sk8ter I hope you are telling the truth. Good luck.
Does that sound like a person with a huge problem?
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what
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I used to have a problem with GT, I don't really care anymore. I just jump in to point things out now and then that might of been missed, preferably something that will be beneficial to one person or another.
I wasn't reffering to anything Casso ever did/said in my previous post, which you will notice is now edited to reflect that this discussian is no longer needed and a solution has been reached.
There's no reason to drag this out, or at least I should get myself out of it, as it isn't me that's dealing with a ban.
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Pink,
I would still like to know where people ar getting thier information from?
Sk8ter,
WHAT!!!??? I was pointing out I dont have a HUGE problem. :)
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wow you all are so EMO
lmao
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It's Loial's fault, he manipulates people. ;)
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the forums may not be helpful sometimes but its fun to watch these conversations unfold
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actually, derrek is in the process of unbanning me.
Sorry for any doubt. Hope it works out. :)
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This is an official GT post (no offence Loial).
Bevis and Shyguy are no longer in GT and are banned from the GT servers (above and beyond the GBL). If thier IP changes, that new IP will be banned until the GBL time has expired, as per Jitpoes GBL rules. Sorry for the delay in responding to this silly post (except for the original comment that Jitspoe posted about this). GT had a lot of discussion about the issue with Bevis and Shyguy. The main reason for the discussion is that they both are on the same IP, which brought up a lot of questions around the cheat detection and multiple clients on the same IP. We also had to give Bevis and Shyguy the courtesy of breaking the news to them about being out of the clan before we went public with the decision.
As far as GT rules go. They are GTs rules, and are for GT to break when they feel necessary. I love the fact that nobody realizes or respects the fact that GT servers are privately owned and can be managed how ever GT feels that they should be. If you don't like the way that GT servers are managed then DON'T PLAY THERE!!! It is as simple as that. Quit the cry baby crap.
That being said, I believe that the servers are much better managed now then they were in the past. This has NOTHING to do with the fact that Snipen has been on leave for the last few months. The change in management style started with Snipen and myself, and will continue in the current manor when Snipen returns.
Also, If you taunt or provoke GT, then EXPECT TO BE KICKED/BANNED for *YOUR* silly actions. This is not a fault with GT, but rather a fault with your character. Please quit posting about GT admin abuse when you are the one that provoked the action in the first place. And remember.....the servers are privately owned and GT reserves the right to do what ever they want on their own servers.
Skater.....you where banned from GT servers for hacking and for being a jerk after you left GT. You were disruptive most of the time that you were on the GT servers and nobody really liked you. Consider yourself lucky that I am working to remove the ban from the server itself (not the game servers). You will have access to the AB clan servers (as Keno sees fit) and to the GT match servers only. Quit bugging me about it or I will refuse to remove your ban. Nobody else in GT really wants you on, but I convinced them that you should at least have access to the match servers for the benefit of your clan only.
Smokey...The only reason that you are not banned from GT servers is that Sandman likes you and asked that we not ban you. Nobody else in GT really wants you on. We really consider you a nuisance when you get on the servers and don't care to have you around. You tend to cause a lot of issue most of the time you connect.
This next part is not related to Bevis and Shyguy being caught, nor is it related to them having been in GT.
GT rules are going to change to reflect Jitspoe’s rules according the ban list. This makes more sense since the global ban list takes care of most of the hacking issues. As always, GT reserves the *RIGHT* to change the rules as GT sees fit. GT also reserves the *RIGHT* to kick/ban *ANYONE* for *ANYTHING* regardless of what the rules state.
GT is trying to keep an air of fairness with the kick/bans, whether the person is/was a GT member or not. We hate you all the same, and will *try* to treat you all the same! (The hate part is a joke. We hate some more then others.) ;) Chill out and lets all enjoy the game.
-Derrek
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To be fair Derrek, I didn't provoke anything, like I said I have witnesses to what happened. I wasn't trying to be mean by anything. I just thought it was ridiculous that it happened. I didn't attack GT, Loial turned it into that.
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did I mention you boomer?
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thanks.
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I tried to be polite at first. Please revisit my first posts on that thread. I just asked for proof. It was the GT generalizing by the usual suspects that turned that into the lame flame fest and continued untill it was locked.
I hardly take responsiblity for behavior of others, your self included. You became less and less polite along with others and perhaps so did I. Sorry.
We are open to any suggestions for server and clan impovement.
Derrek,
Thanks for the disclaimer. ;(
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"As always, GT reserves the *RIGHT* to change the rules as GT sees fit." -- PBCup has the same rule, a rule that doesnt seem to make it through the layer of fat around Clipz' skull.
Thanks again for uploading pbcup_renoir Derrek.
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i love sandman too. And i just had to point out the rule to make sure it happened. To be honest i hate all those little newbies in GT and wanted to make sure those two go there bans.. A FEW older members are alright. ;)
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No I didn't say you mentioned me, I was just saying cause in your post you talked about provoking such actions. You don't have to be hostile about it.
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I am hardly hostile Boompie. Hostile would have got me banned. Pleae re-word your intented statement.
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I was talking to Derrek not you Loial
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In all fairness, you did not say this.
Hostile will would have gotten Derrek baned as well. Pleae re-word.
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wow would you shut up please, so annoying. not my fault you get confused easily.
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To be fair Derrek, I didn't provoke anything, like I said I have witnesses to what happened. I wasn't trying to be mean by anything. I just thought it was ridiculous that it happened. I didn't attack GT, Loial turned it into that.
Boomer...I never mentioned you...why do you want to talk about youself so much? If I didn't mention your name specifically, then you should not have either. If I had something to say about you, I would have brought up your name!
I would like to mention, though, Clipz. I have seen several posts about GT not banning Clipz for his hacking.
GT *DID* ban Clipz according to the server rules (at that time). He was banned...why do people assume that he was not?
It is funny how there are those who would mention certain people that they thought *didn't* get banned and those mentioned are shunned from certain social realms, but people that obviosly got banned (skater, specifically) are socially acceptable. Why is it that previous hacking persons are more acceptable the people that are against those that hack??
Why is it that there are certain people that constantly want to pick on GT for their actions?? I have seen those that wish to degrade, act worse *consistently* more then GT has as a whole.
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Because I didnt laugh at the admins saying there was nothing they can do and also lie to the community about several other things. But its off topic.
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what? there were several questions I posted...can you please specify which one you are replying to?
-Derrek
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wow would you shut up please, so annoying. not my fault you get confused easily.
I was the closest GT post to your reply post (by several hours) not Derrek, which BTW has my name in it, perhaps I made a honest mistake, AGAIN[/u] Boomer you did not identify to the forum readers (via your post) who was then, the intended person of your reply. We could easily be both at fault. At least you could say 'sorry' or "dam Loial you are right I did not think that'' I doubt we will see any such regrets or apologizes, which I will get into during the final part of this forum request. So here is my apology if needed. Sorry Boomy.. Derrek showed me why you posted what you did. Please understand my confusion, my name was in your post in question.
More important matters below
What was I supposed to assume? How is that 'annoying' to such an extreme severity? To make you compelled to post what you did? Again people could be confused when you don’t specify the intended recipient yet. So confused, yes I was. Try referencing the post or comment with a simple paste, into your post. I too have been guilty of this. However and again if you re-read the order of my post to yours vs. yours to Derrek's post that you addition the time apart from my post to yours. You will see why I assumed you were replying to me. There is no need to degrade the forum with comments that could be considered hurtful and unproductive. Not saying you intended to do anything bad, other than flam on me for not knowing whom you were talking to. Here is the comment.
wow would you shut up please, so annoying. not my fault you get confused easily.
This was in response to...
In all fairness, you did not say this. Hostile would have gotten Derrek banned as well. Please re-word.
Sorry for the again for the misunderstanding but what in the above comment provoked this…
wow would you shut up please, so annoying. not my fault you get confused easily
Dear forum readers and Moderators, I ask this, what does comments like the above really accomplish? Does it better the game or its players? We as a community shout ask for those he must act with no regard to others. In other words, we should not make comments like this on the forum. but should be said on or with IRC buddies or a PM? This will save time for everyone involved or who cares.
Not to belabor this, but I feel compelled to mention to new forum users, that Boomer should have more than just pointed out that he was not replying to me. But, rather showing me where the fallacy was in my post. As you know, this would have been more helpful and forum friendly. For instance… having proof of an admin abuse and or, also (unrelated) referring specifically to which post you are replying to, by using the quote feature. That could have helped new forum members or people like myself. Also important this could be helpful on cutting down on a lot of pointless flame posts on the forum with personal vendettas and also help the un-savvy users follow along (Like Loial). In this case some 'hick' from Texas (not Iron or Blitz but me) figured out this is how it should be done. I am sure a young man from Oregon can do the same. Poor Jitspoe!! He needs more moderators or less personal flamers on the forum. This has gotten out of hand.
*Edit, if you think that is annoying, wait till you get a Job that pays $100,000 or even flipping burgers, it does not matter what your pay is. A lot of aspects in day-to-day life at any point are truly annoying not to mention the responsibility of Family, friends and Job. A misunderstanding like this that we have had is in a Free FPS is not annoying, it should be fun. Agreed? So try striving for that.
*All I have edited some of my comments, as I have not slept since FRI and found Huge mistakes in it. Please enjoy and contact GT via PMing me, IRC or Vent for any questions about GT clan or servers. It seems as though a lot (and I mean a lot) of (yes again) conjecture and inaccurate biased opinions have been formed in the past. This is not the case now, due to a new order formed about 5 months ago.
In the interest of fairness to all clans and players, please avoid inflammatory comments that are in mostly second hand information. "Unless you can prove someone is hacking don’t post it." Right? Same thing with complaints of abuse, be it admin or player or Code writers. J.
*Loial's Disclaimer
If any person has trouble comprehending (not disagreeing) with this post’s content (not length) PM me please or meet me in game to go IRC (I never idle there). I have all day to explain any miscommunications, for the readers of the post. I, don’t have all day to argue or read pointless non-productive flaming posts or PM's including spelling and grammar corrections, this was edited by word. If you do disagree with me please post some sound logic that clearly states a resolution or some kind of unknown facet to your disagreement that was over looked by me or others and AGAIN please avoid being personal, unless its in good taste.
Thank you for your time, I know this is long. In summation some are not helping in fact they are hurting the game by posting pure (yes again) conjectures and acting like children with no guardianship. Despite the temp ban in the forum and global ban list. Impunity is something sadly that has been somehow granted to some of the younger players by there own edicts. They don’t care how they actions can affect others. I have posted on this very topic before and subject matter. With little or no response, big surprise huh?
-l21
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you really think anyone is going to read that? I dont want a headache, sorry.
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I have no idea who loial is, ive played this game years and never come across him on a server. However i have painted a picture of what he is like through reading the forums and he seems like a complete (you know what). He seems to reply in every post and it seems every single post doesnt concern him at all (this post for example). Who are you and why are you still around. Therefore I totally agree with Boomer.... SOD OFF!
rud
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If you do disagree with me please post some sound logic that clearly states a resolution or some kind of unknown facet to your disagreement that was over looked by me or others and AGAIN please avoid being personal, unless its in good taste.
hahaha... wow -- priceless.
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Ruddy, then perhaps we catch up on whats is happening by going to the GT vent channel and talking with me. I am in the GT clan and had a vote to ban them. Perhaps you should reserve you judgement and name calling untill you get to know me or the entire situation. My posts for the most part are an attempt to again show GT has turned a new leaf several months back. Taco and even I belive Bain had mentioned this. Why is this hard for the rest of you to understad? Also I have heard your name being mentioned as being caught cheating or rather turning your self in or whatever. So in that regard step off my toes. If you like we can meet on vent whenever, if you would like to get to know me and discuss my posts. So that you dont look and act like *clueless flamer which by other official forum standards you would have been banned. Try to be more helpful not hurtfu then perhaps you would better understand my intentions. GG
Smokey I got alot to say in defense of GT my self and hopes for a better quality of posts, most of them are just flames on others then it goes on back and forth. You would do the same (defend your self) dont be obtusely hipocritical. Also, sorry your attention span is that of..... well you are 15, so I will let that pass. It appears Blitz endured it and I am guessing his IQ is lower than yours, seeing as how you claim to be the smartest perons in paintball via your IQ. Need I remind you he was a tennis stud after all in Texas and should be inducted into the. I am not one bit suprised that you dont have reason to read a length post despite the poster, you simply dont care and in addition you cant seem to post anything helpful about GT or me , for the most part anythgin. You do use GT's vent and severs. I guess you really dont have an issue with GT or me. I base this on your silence after countless questions by us directly on the last two flame threads one of which is now locked. Shreshould this thread its been nothing but 'I think badly about somehting or someone. Never a solutions or a helpful comment0
Blitz what is priceless about that? Realy?
Is it not better to correct, or be helpful priceless, alas I am trying to be fair and honest.
I know that is a foriegn concepts being, jo to you is more than i can say for the last three posts. What more do you want? For me to act like hissk8ter, smokey, and now ruddy. I am more mature than this and honestly care about the betterment of the game, even to the point of donating money spending or being an admin then time correct people when the get out of line. I will be the first to apologize in public if I am / was wrong. Who here has done this?
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Loial, your posts make no points. You say things no one cares about. How can we make you stop posting? As for W/E you said about me: "black person you aint got excrement on me."
Thanks.
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Yep thats it Derrek, I am makign everything about me. You caught me red handed. I was referring to the thread I made about PiCaSSo, seeing how it's locked I had to reply here.
Loial, just make your posts straight to the point. I'm sure we no one wants to read your 4 paragraph explainations that lead to nothing.
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Please explain why they make no point, not just say it. Otherwise that just being a flamer. The whole point is about making things better and progress, added in with examples showing what is wrong and how to improve the forums posts. This comes from both Derrek and my posts. We have been fair, understanding and open to suggestion. Again the vent servers are open for this very reason. Feel free to drop by and discuss your issues. Otherwise why post with out a resolution? I am guessing its becuase you a have a personal issue with GT or me. In either case why is this then on the forum and not in a private forum or channel.
This has again turned in to a forum flame war led by the usual suspects. ALso lets try not to hash stuff up that is lcoked. My self included.
Again Boomer I being polite in saying you need to be more clear and use the quote feature so there is no room for doubt, and yes my post could be shorter and long posts do suck, but as I said I had several points to make and wanted to back them up with explains, What its wrong with that?
*Waits for thread lock and for people to show up on vent and discuss issues that cant seemed to get solved hear due to lack of a moderator(s). No offense men to Jitspoe. Again Derrek, GT and I are trying to make things fair and better for the game, Which I am sure you approve of this . Why cant boomer or smokey acknowledge this? Worse they flame on it.
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That right there, is a loial post. I hope i make myself clear.
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But I must explain to you how all this mistaken idea of denouncing pleasure and praising pain was born and I will give you a complete account of the system, and expound the actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth, the master-builder of human happiness. No one rejects, dislikes, or avoids pleasure itself, because it is pleasure, but because those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are extremely painful. Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious backdoor jumping exercises, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?
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Just to clarify the whole boomer conversation:
Derrek: Also, If you taunt or provoke GT, then EXPECT TO BE KICKED/BANNED for *YOUR* silly actions.
BooMeR: To be fair Derrek, I didn't provoke anything
Derrek: did I mention you boomer?
loial21: I just asked for proof.
BooMeR: No I didn't say you mentioned me, I was just saying cause in your post you talked about provoking such actions. You don't have to be hostile about it.
loial21: I am hardly hostile
BooMeR: I was talking to Derrek not you Loial
loial21: In all fairness, you did not say this.
BooMeR: not my fault you get confused easily.
Derrek: Boomer...I never mentioned you...why do you want to talk about youself so much?
BooMeR: I was referring to the thread I made about PiCaSSo, seeing how it's locked I had to reply here.
Of course, this has nothing to do with BeViS or ShyGuy cheating.
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But I must explain to you how all this mistaken idea of denouncing pleasure and praising pain was born and I will give you a complete account of the system, and expound the actual teachings of the great explorer of the truth, the master-builder of human happiness. No one rejects, dislikes, or avoids pleasure itself, because it is pleasure, but because those who do not know how to pursue pleasure rationally encounter consequences that are extremely painful. Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure. To take a trivial example, which of us ever undertakes laborious backdoor jumping exercises, except to obtain some advantage from it? But who has any right to find fault with a man who chooses to enjoy a pleasure that has no annoying consequences, or one who avoids a pain that produces no resultant pleasure?
Ah, the wise words of the intellectual Cicero. A great man, he was.
Pleasure is purely relative. In the infinite expanse of the abstract mind, one conjures up many irreconcilable conclusions to the definition. One must entrench the mind in a reality, one fitting the scope of the problem. The back-door jump has one purpose; to tread the ether-regions of ethernet and fibre in one great bound, albeit with a touch of skill...
To be continued.
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Jitspoe: Can you lock this thread? I come on here seeing that there are new posts and I expect to see information that is relative to the initial topic yet all i see from some people is "blah blah blah...yes i know blah blah. blah blah? Oh really? That's a great story, but blah blah" Holllllly crap. I know it's my fault for actually reading the entire post but please lock it. This one hasn't gone anywhere in days and people are still replying. =) Thanks dude.
- MeRL
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Please dont. I enjoy loials essays.
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"Taco and even I belive Bain had mentioned this." --> Yeah, Derrek has been doing a stand-up job being an admin. He is actually a part of the community and is very responsive to requests about the GT servers (particularly uploading maps).
However, I wouldn't have many other positive comments about GT, GT members, or servers (maplists etc) besides the fact that i was pleased that they participated in the first season of PBCup.
Stoics are the lose.
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HOLY EMO Batman!
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Thanks Merl. I talked to Jitspoe about it last night about doing that. Derrek will be contacting Jitspoe to dicsuss how to prevent further attacks on GT, once I get a chance to talk to Derrek.
All,
We offered alternates to forum bashing. If you want to be fair, if you read my posts I stayed away from personal attacks (after your warning) and tried to be polite and to the point with examples to back those points up along with resolutions to the complaints. In addtion Jitspoe has mentioned that all of us should have stayed on topic and ignored all the hurtful comments. Good advice. But easier said then done. I did say to him I will watch that from now on. Will the others? This questions leads to my next sstatements.
What Jits is going to do about bashing? If I were to act with impunity like some here has (smokey's faux post of Loial). I would expect some kind of punishment, like Lun.
Jitspoe,
I doubt Bevis or Shy will be posting they are banned and out of GT end of story. Close this thread. We should have ignored them but I felt the need to give them alternate options to bashing us in a public forum and then having to remind them after every negetive responce. When will it end becuase we are bending over backwards to make this a better game and all we do is get crapped on kicked. Please help.
-L
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FYI i waited on vent for an hour last night. you never came.