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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => PBCup => Topic started by: S8NSSON on August 03, 2006, 02:19:02 PM
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I think not!
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I agree with S8N but they choose to leave pbcup for this season.
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Lmao, I love the results.
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i wonder who the 9 people are that voted yes it was warranted. hmm the world may never know
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I voted yes.
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heh, those would be some interesting results. :)
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but you could only vote once so it would suck lol
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S8N you forgot the 3rd option: 'I don't care, I just hate SkateR.'
Seconded.
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To everyone who voted No.
If you have read the pbcup rules, then you would know that eR33ts action warrented a forfeit. So to sum it all up, play by the rules, dont forfeit. theres really nothing else to say.
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everyones read the rule by now, and everyone other then people who have some vendetta against us, or some ch1ll members, feel that it doesnt warrant a forfet.
change the rule? I think so.
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LMFAO not everyone reads the goshdarn rules, it would take to long so i just dont hack cause a big rucus
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everyones read the rule by now, and everyone other then people who have some vendetta against us, or some ch1ll members, feel that it doesnt warrant a forfet.
change the rule? I think so.
play by the rules that an eR33t member helped write or dont play at all. Looks like eR33t has chosen to not play at all.
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we chose not to play at all cause it wasn't a fair ruling.
the ruling was handed down by one biased admin.
put a pool of people together to talk it out, give it some time, some due dillegence..
The majority of the community feels the way we do, and that's probably a first. It should say something.
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Once again i'm not a biased admin, yes I watched the demos. I don't know what your big problem with me is Y2J, i've tried to handle this as calmly and maturely as possible. You can be assured the rules will be looked over after this season ends. I don't know why you keep saying in multiple threads that I am biased, i want to see you all lose, I want to see you out of the league etc. As someone who is 1st an administrator in the league, not a participant, i'm trying to keep all teams happy and the field of competition plentiful. I'm sorry you didn't agree with my decision, but leaving the league because it wasn't a fair ruling? Life isn't fair, when you catch a bad break are you just going to off yourself? When aB received their forfeit last season yeah they got upset, but they didn't quit the league, they kept playing. You can point fingers all you want, but what happened has zero impact on your team for the rest of the season. You would have made the playoffs and would have been an easy odds favorite to win it all again.
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The real question is "should they have quit?". They still would have won or came dam close.
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Well even DT admited forfeiting aB was a mistake when looking back on it.
Now the problem I have is the way at which this ruling was braught about.
When issuing a forfeit, why is the main question not: Did this effect the game?
And it didn't. They got outplayed. You don't deserve to win because of that.
If there was a ruling to be made that means you could have either forfeited us or not, you act like there was no choice but to forfeit us.
But there was... you were making a ruling..
What we did, did not effect the outcome. This was the perfect time to make a ruling that was fair where the rules weren't if you're this admin you claim to be.
If we were flooding in mm1, then ok, forfeit warranted. But we weren't.
Even members have ch1ll have said it didn't effect the game..
If this same thing happened to ch1ll, or xb, someone with power in the administartion, a forfeit would not have been handed out, unless they were flooding in mm1. And that is what angers me.
Also look at the results of the poll, that should be telling to if you're going for fairness... not many people feel that it was warranted.
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My chad is hanging.
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i don't think the main question is did it effect the game at all. The main question is "were rules broken?"
If i play under the name rP>yeah_im_dang_sexy it won't make the other team lose, but it is however against the rules, thus is not allowed.
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and it's bullexcrement you should have to forfeit for that.
the main question here is does the punishment warrant the infraction that happened
and it doesn't.
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Well i'm not surprised that DT now thinks aB shouldn't have been forfeited. Like I have said ad-nauseum, that was the only incident we had had where we had to issue a forfeit for someone breaking the rules. Now I was apart of that match and we were just getting smoked each round, going into the last round it was 3-0 aB and that’s where the pandemonium ensued. They were spamming much more than bob, as everyone who watched the demo will see it wasn't the quantity of mm1 speak that brought about this ruling. The similarities in what was being said is what made me think this situation should receive a similar ruling. Uni insulted DT. Bob insulted Tom. Both were asked to stop talking repeatedly and both resisted. aB was issued a forfeit by one of our admins, aB accepted the forfeit (obviously they were displeased, but more so because it was being issued by someone who openly hated their clan). eR33t was issued a forfeit because they broke rules about using the mm1 login, insulting PBCup Refs (who volunteer their time to watch games, set up servers, and make sure everything runs smoothly.), using names that aren't registered on the page, etc.
Now your big question is did all of this childish behavior effect the outcome of the game. Other than seeing some ch1ll members talk in mm2 saying "I wish they would shut him up." and things like that, no I don’t think it did. I know members of ch1ll have even said after all of this has gone down that they didn't think bob's actions affected the outcome. However, our current rules were broken and one of our refs was insulted. I understand one individual did 90% of the talking in that server. But it took another member of your team to give out the mm1 login. This was not just a sole person responsible for this outcome. I know you have used sports as a way to create analogies for this whole ordeal, so I will leave you with one.
In football, if any offensive player is flagged for holding during a play, they lose the down, they back up in yardage, and whatever resulted from that play doesn't count. Now say you're looking down on a field from a birds eye view. The offense runs a play action run play to the left. The left receiver acts as a blocker to try and keep the DB that was lined up on him from moving towards the RB. Now if that receiver is holding the DB he is going to get flagged for it. Even if the ball never even moves to that DB’s side of the field and the QB throws it deep to the right side for a touch down. That DB that was being held would have had no effect on the play since the ball was thrown to a different side of the field that he was on. But, the WR broke the rules and held him and they get punished for it. Not ALL rules in games, sports, etc. look at whether or not the actions effect the outcome of a game in EVERY situation. They are there to keep things fair and equal.
Another football example can be used during kick and punt returns. On big plays where the kick returner advances the ball 50, 60, 70 yards or farther for a touchdown, even if that man ran the ball all the way up the right side of the field, if one of his teammates blocked an opponent in the back 30 yards away on the opposite side of the kick returner, you know that ball is coming back. Did that illegal block have any effect on that players kick return? Throughout this upcoming NFL season you will see a few situations where a block in the back 30-40 yards away from the ball will result in that penalty. But once again, a player broke the rules and his team was punished for it.
I assure you the rules will be looked at this off-season, but I ask you to not think of me as a biased admin. I've been around in this community for a very long time, I think most people will say that I am not a person who would sabotage a league and remove a top clan so all other teams can breeze through the playoffs. Remember that our ruling was extremely lenient; we knew all of the standings and schedules before we made it. I knew that issuing a forfeit and these suspensions would not negatively affect eR33t in getting to the playoffs. I did not remove your team from the league, I did not ban you from playing out the rest of the season. I hope everyone realizes that, our ruling was made in a way that we could both: a.) get across a message to all clans that if you break the rules, you will be forfeited, and , b.) so that you (eR33t) would have an equal shot like everyone else to make the playoffs.
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Of course bob was doing things that are considered illegal by the rules Pierce. Why else would we even have all these threads if there was nothing illegal going on. He had the mm1 login and he wasn't the captain. He was wrongfully given the mm1 login by someone who wasn't supposed to give it out. He was talking in mm1 when he wasn't the captain. He insulted a PBCup ref which obviously is not tolerated. He refused to follow a PBCup Official's request. Thats 5 examples of breaking the rules. How can you, someone who was affiliated with this league, possibly say bob did not break any rules?
As for your football analogy, taunting is unsportsmanlike conduct. There is no seperate rule caled 'taunting.' The only time you will see a player individually fined and his team NOT penalized is when a ref misses the call. The player is fined when tapes are reviewed after the game. So using this analogy as an example, we reviewed the 'game film', 'fined' bob with a 1 week suspension, and issued a 'team penalty' of the forfeit of one round.
As you stated he was simply using message mode 1. You know for a fact that is against the rules, ESPECIALLY when you are not the captain of the team, and definitely when you are using it to call a PBCup ref a f.a.g.g.o.t. I guarantee if an NFL player called a ref a f.a.g.g.o.t. he would be ejected from the game, and there would be and an unsportsmanlike 15yd penalty given. Its impossible to use professional leagues as a perfect analogy because we can't give out '15 yd penalties' for breaking the rules. The PBCup states within its own set of rules, and has displayed through precedent, that if you break these rules, you will receive a forfeit. Like I said before, the rules will be reviewed in the off-season.
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In football, if any offensive player is flagged for holding during a play, they lose the down
i'm not even reading the rest- you don't lose a down for holding, it remains the same down.
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Why not review the rules on a deccision like this? It's clear the rule is going to change, at least that's what most people want, so I don't see why it wouldn't.
If you would have ruled for just suspensions that's reviewing the rule on the spot, and still getting your message across.
The forfeit is just out of hated for eR33t, or trying to look good for Bain, since it was his clan. One or the other.
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Crazy +.+
you r talking about paintball and football in one thread. I dont think that you can solve the problem this way.
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Funny so many people vote NO to this question and you guys are having such a hard time accepting your fair and impartial punishment...
I have no vendetta whatsoever towards eR33t and I'm simply a neutral party here. It's really quiet simple.
The PBCup rules and the punishment for breaking them were there when all parties involved began this season. All parties involved agreed to the rules and the punishment for breaking them. The rules are like most rules or laws that are written... They DO NOT SAY Sometimes it's ok to break the rule Nor do they say because you might not like the rule it is OK to break the rule just this once. Nowhere in the rules does it express that eR33t is EXEMPT from any of the rules nor any other clan or their members. It doesn't specify several choices for the punishment for breaking the rules either. The rules and punishment were clearly stated just like the fines for a speeding ticket.
The rules were there when you started the season and they were broken by your clan so accept your punishment and stop whining about it.
If you took your case before a court of law they would laugh you out of the court room. Uhhh your Honor your a f.a.g.g.o.t.!! I'm in eR33t so I'm exempt from being held -in contempt of court- and being ejected from the courtroom by the baliff!! Besides I think that law sucks!
Seriously, if you don't like the rules then you can voice your opinion when the rules are being written as with all rules or laws in life and if you don't like the rules after that then either don't participate in the event or better yet DON'T BREAK THEM.
eR33t has been the longest lasting clan in DP history and undoubtedly leads over all in match wins. Where's your sense of pride? The same punishment would have been dealt to ANY clan as the rule applies to ALL who play.
Gibb did a great job explaining the decision and honestly shouldn't have had to waste his breath explaining it over and over on this forum.
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No thats the thing piccasso, had this been ch1ll that talked in mm1 this match, there would be no issue.
Had it been crossbones, they would have lobbied for a suspension but no forfeit.
But since it's against the most hated clan- automatic forfeit.
And you talk about all this pride? You got caught hacking, and now change your name to try and hide it. You're one to talk about pride.
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Y2J that is simply an untrue and immature response... The punishment would have been the same for any clan that broke the rules.
Are there other instances of rule breaking during this PBCup season that have gone unpunished or where someone was unjustly punished that you can share with this community.
Also, Y2J stay on the subject and don't lash out at me with childish ranting. Your bringing up an accusation from 2 years ago in an attempt to belittle me does not show pride for your clan. It merely demeans it and your continued whining is a disgrace to your clan.
FYI the weak attempt to implicate me as a hacker was just that a weak attempt... The 2 demos proved nothing and I didn't change my name to hide anything... everyone knows who I am. MuTiL8ToR was my old gaming name years before I started DP and I wanted a name that better fit the game so I have been PiCaSSo ever since.
Again stay on subject if your going to reply or turn this into a flamefest so that Jitspoe can lock this useless whining thread.
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In football, if any offensive player is flagged for holding during a play, they lose the down
i'm not even reading the rest- you don't lose a down for holding, it remains the same down.
Oops, regardless that doesn't change anything in the post.
As for, "The forfeit is just out of hated for eR33t, or trying to look good for Bain, since it was his clan. One or the other."
I don't hate eR33t, I have no problems with any of the members in the clan, I have known DT for a long time as we have been apart of this community for many years now. We also worked together in the PBCup and never had any problems with one another. Blitz I have no problems with whatsoever and we have been able to discuss all this without name calling and insults, unlike yourself. I'm glad you have voiced your opinions on the rules, I now agree they should be (and they will be) reviewed. But if you incist that I am a biased admin who hates eR33t and hopes all bad things in life happen to you, get over yourself.
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I've never once sat here and called you a diry jew, member of a socially disadvantaged classintercourser, stupid donkey girl thingyrag (all of the following probably got edited..) but what I have said is you are biased.
If ch1ll had been the one that broke the rules, or some clan you have more respect for, you would have just suspended the people involved, because the ch1ll people would be saying the same thing I am, and you hold their opinion higher for whatever reason.
Joe tells you we deserve a forfeit so we do? Review the rule and make a fair decision. If it means changing the rule by your decision then do it.
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I don't want the rules to change. I most definately prefer not having to put up with lmao or lol after killing someone. The only reason thats done is to annoy. Leave the rule as it is.
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Joe didn't tell me to do anything. When all of this happened bain told me to review the demos and I did. He was the one that came up with how long each person should be suspended. He told me to decide on whether or not it should be forfeit. I told him the reasons why I think it should based on what happened in your match, and what has happened before in our league to receive a forfeit. I'm sure if it was the other way around and ch1ll was the one who broke the rules, bain would have told me to watch the demose and make a ruling. I don't see how this is a biased decision by a crazy admin when it says in the rules that if you do what bob did, your team will be forfeited.
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Y2J: He is biased because he enforces a clear cut rule which was proven to be broken in more ways than one?
Amazing!! Tell me... In what sport or game of any kind do you change the rules during the game or in mid season? You keep throwing out all these hypotheticals but offer nothing that comes close to validating your false assumption that GiBB or anyone is punishing you out of hatred for your clan or is playing favorites.
Offer some examples during this season that prove any sort of neglect, favoritism or biased behavior on Gibb's part otherwise your statements and allegations are without merit and your simply being a poor sport.
Pierce: Hi! Respectfully, Y2J is asking that or so it seems with his last post he did. As well, he is making baseless statements that do NOT help your clan's case.
I would agree with keeping the rule as it is as far as needless chatter during a match is concerned although some modifications to the rule may be needed. I believe stiff penalties for such offenses help keep them from happening.
Nevertheless, these are things to be voted on for the upcoming season.
This post is a simple question... Should eR33t have been forfeited?
Simple answer = Present Rule Broken = Yes
No ifs, ands or buts about it...
If I speed and get caught by that ugly stiff necked male appendage slurpin (lets see the cuss filter filter my cuss filter) highway trooper, then I have to pay the ticket for that offense... I don't get to wait for new legislation to get out of paying that ticket and all of my whining to the judge, calling him names, or accusing him of being biased won't make it any cheaper for me.
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No, i'm not asking they change their decision. We left the league, I could care less. Just spreading the word that it was a load of excrement what happened to us.
What you fail to realize picasso is what happened had no effect on the outcome of the game.
And the ch1ll players could have typed ignore player#
A team does not get forfeited for the actions of one person, that one person gets suspended. You guys throw out all these hypotehticals, but that's how it is in every sport. Drug use, cheating, anything, the game is not forfieted, the player is suspended.
Ch1ll was looking for an excuse for losing.
Also in terms of the speeding bullexcrement, no, you don't get to wait for new legislation, but hey, that's what case law is for, changes in the law before new legislation is reached, if it is at all.
And that's all I was lookin for here. If gibb would have thought this one out with some due dilligence, then he should have realized the outcome of the game was not decided by bob saying lmfao. Thus not warranting the forfeit. And ruled for the suspensions but not the forfeit, thus setting a precident for future cases.. but hey.. it's eR33t. You all know darn well had it been ch1ll that demolished some clan, but then talked in mm1, they would not have been forfeited, and that's just sad.
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I could care less.
I wish you did care. :-X
You all know darn well had it been ch1ll that demolished some clan, but then talked in mm1, they would not have been forfeited,
Mabey not who knows, but if they would have been forfeited, I doubt they would have quit. Its not like you got eliminated from the playoffs.
Is for clan er33t to be in the fall league.
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No, i'm not asking they change their decision. We left the league, I could care less. Just spreading the word that it was a load of excrement what happened to us.
WTF dude, you have asked them to change their decision repeatedly and if you didn't care you would NOT still be replying. Spreading the word of what happened to you?? Your teammates broke rules and the specified disiplinary action was taken... are you illiterate too? Read all the posts you have made and notice the many places you contradict yourself?
What you fail to realize picasso is what happened had no effect on the outcome of the game.
And the ch1ll players could have typed ignore player#
This fact has been responded to many times throughout this post...
As well, I am also aware of the fact it had no outcome on the game other than the forfeit, as specified in the rule, being handed down to your clan who clearly broke it.
Also in terms of the speeding bullexcrement, no, you don't get to wait for new legislation, but hey, that's what case law is for, changes in the law before new legislation is reached, if it is at all.
Regardless, once the "law" or rule is in place you are obligated to abide by it or suffer the specified concenquences.
And that's all I was lookin for here. If gibb would have thought this one out with some due dilligence, then he should have realized the outcome of the game was not decided by bob saying lmfao. Thus not warranting the forfeit. And ruled for the suspensions but not the forfeit, thus setting a precident for future cases.. but hey.. it's eR33t. You all know darn well had it been ch1ll that demolished some clan, but then talked in mm1, they would not have been forfeited, and that's just sad.
What your lookin for here is exemption from a clearly stated rule that ALL CLANS have had to follow as well as your own.
The "decision" doesn't need a diligent thought as it is quiet elementry Y2J and again the rule clearly specifies "FORFEIT" for the afore mentioned offenses.
Shall we try this in another language like Spanish for you to grasp the concept that if you break a rule you receive the designated punishment. Good Lord are you blind or something?? Anyone know Brail?
(shut Up Jimmy B!)
Seriously, you've pushed this way beyond rediculous and I am convinced that you are simply a spoiled, illiterate kid who refuses to accept reality on any level. I can only remain respectful for so long and you've worn out even my patience with this.
Broken RULE = Specified Punishment
DEAL WITH IT!
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DP should just die.
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That's a real constructive thought lun now hush and pass the bong!
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THANKS MAN!
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DP? or your posts of nothingness. Team 'a' quit end of story. The new story is will they be back or will they play on other teams with aliases.
That's a real constructive thought lun now hush and pass the bong
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HEY MON pASS THE DOUCHIE TO THE MAN ON THE LEFT.
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*Cough Cough Smirk Wheeeeeeez* Harsh SH*T MaaaaN
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psh, you guys are lame. high comes in the form of altitude and pills.
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DP? or your posts of nothingness.
You are the last person on this forum allowed to criticize posts. You cannot put together a sentence that is readable to anybody of intelligence higher then that of a kid with downsyndrome.
Realistically, why is anybody in GT allowed to post on these forums? They are all drunk inbred hicks.
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Mutilator, I'll 1v1 you, loser gets global banned.
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James that's just Bobbish... I mean RuBBiSH - Now Now kiddies... Let's get back on subject!!!
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Wow, didn't know lun and loial21 were actually different people. J/K LOL!
And James, nice try at trying to intimidate w/ the global ban bet, but Jits wouldn't go for it...maybe if there was money involved too.
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Mutilator, I'll 1v1 you, loser gets global banned.
how about you both do.
end of story
everyone dies happier
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or everyone can get global banned. i mean really, who wants to be playing this game in like, 2 days or something. i sure dont.
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if the rules get so that only the player gets banned. Im recruiting mascots to sit in obs ripping the piss outta my opponents next season.
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I don't want the rules to change. I most definately prefer not having to put up with lmao or lol after killing someone. The only reason thats done is to annoy. Leave the rule as it is.
Im just the same opinion as you.
Lekky: the ruling wouldnt allow for people to say those things, it would just state that the punishment is player suspension, not team forfeit.
It is a team forfeit because the manager of your team, speaking of your leader, has given out the pw for global chat and a member has put out some comments that deserve a punishment, which both deserve a punishment.
I hope i get some to agree with me.
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What you fail to realize picasso is what happened had no effect on the outcome of the game.
I already gave examples of penaltys, using football, that are given because of one individuals action, even if they had no effect on the play, that penalize the team. Excessive celebration, holding, block in the back... All penalty's given to 1 person for their actions that affect the team negatively. You can be holding or blocking someone in the back 50 yards away from the ball and still get your team penalized. Did it affect the play at all? Nope.
A team does not get forfeited for the actions of one person, that one person gets suspended. You guys throw out all these hypotehticals, but that's how it is in every sport. Drug use, cheating, anything, the game is not forfieted, the player is suspended.
Of course you can't forfeit teams in professional sports...This is where these analogies don't hold a lot of weight. We can't penalize teams in yardage, or take away 2/3 of their paintballs for the next round. Issuing a forfeit is the only way we can show clans that if you break the rules, harsh punishments will ensue.
You all know darn well had it been ch1ll that demolished some clan, but then talked in mm1, they would not have been forfeited, and that's just sad.
Who is throwing out hypotheticals now?
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Seriously, you've pushed this way beyond rediculous and I am convinced that you are simply a spoiled, illiterate kid who refuses to accept reality on any level. I can only remain respectful for so long and you've worn out even my patience with this.
Harsh words from what, a 35 year old? Shouldn't you have a family to worry about something by now?
I'm gonna take a wild guess you look something like this http://jehar.tastyspleen.net/Quakecon/geno.jpg
and thus women tend to stay away from you.
And you did get caught hacking buddy- and it's hillarious you attempt to lecture me about pride, when your's went out the drain long ago.
You act like you're so right, you don't even see the other side, yet the majority of the people who have been here do. You're the one minded blind stupid donkey.
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Hahaha Ok kid... I rest my case!! ;D
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More hypotheticals on what people look like now and how they should be living their lives?
Please tell me Dr. Phil, how can I better my life.
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I don't want the rules to change. I most definately prefer not having to put up with lmao or lol after killing someone. The only reason thats done is to annoy. Leave the rule as it is.
Im just the same opinion as you.
Lekky: the ruling wouldnt allow for people to say those things, it would just state that the punishment is player suspension, not team forfeit.
It is a team forfeit because the manager of your team, speaking of your leader, has given out the pw for global chat and a member has put out some comments that deserve a punishment, which both deserve a punishment.
I hope i get some to agree with me.
Agreed. Theres no point using examples from other teams games to support different views either. Lets keep it specific.
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or everyone can get global banned. i mean really, who wants to be playing this game in like, 2 days or something. i sure dont.
Hence DP should just die.
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So what you are saying is that a kid with downsyndrome has a higher set of reading comprehension skills than yourself? ::). But I digress. I was a little harsh about saying your posts in general amount to nothing.
I highly suggest finding another form of venting (sex could be one) other than online venting? LOL that is not healthy for anyone.
Can we all relax and enjoy the game? If alot of you can stop calling people you dont know names. Alot of you might find this game fun. Instead of wasting each others time wishing others and the game death.
Back on subject....
If someone in the clan were to have lost a loved one or a job that would be understandable reason to drop out. This is comming from the most bashed clan in DP so we know how it feels to have people to be biased against us. Does anyone disagree with that?
e3rrt should not have quit over a ruling that frankly would not have affected thier chances at winning the cup.
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my gigapet died.. i think that counts.
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You are a bad pet owner, that does not count.
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What the intercourse bundle of twigs, you stole my line.