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Title: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 22, 2004, 07:04:23 PM

check out this demo of [xp]Mut wallhacking during a match. If you plan on matching make sure you use one of the ones with nocheat on it...unless you are ok with wallhacks being used. Paintdepot had nocheat on it.  demo is here http://www.valleycenterwireless.com/mut.dm2

Acid

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 22, 2004, 08:15:00 PM

Wow I'm honored CID!! Sad thing is I never had anything bad to say about you until now...  I'm too old too hack and all you've done with this demo is prove how much of an idiot you are...  I encourage everyone here to download this demo and honestly explain to me where in the demo it looked like a hack was used.  Keep in mind I was pinged at 25 and I use a headset cranked up loud to hear steps of the enemy.  

If any of you think I hack after watching this foolishness then A "HaCK" I'll be...  I'll continue playing this game regardless but please provide me with better proof than this if your going to accuse me of being a hack in open forum like a ranting lil stupid donkey child...  I've played enough years that I can say Im GOOD (No where near the best) and deserve a little more repsect than this...

MuT

P.S.  I hope your man enough to admit you might have made a mistake with this ACID then we can continue playing good DP as we have for years.  Otherwise please stay on your side of the fence.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 22, 2004, 08:26:05 PM

LOL Mut, We had less then 5 minutes of demo and it was very obvious...i tested you so many times during midnight2 and before our 3rd started recording so dont even bother...you werent even trying to hide it...its funny you left the second we started questioning you about it. or maybe when you were camping your base you obviously some how knew you had enough time to double back for another gren...anyone who knows what to look for can tell.
gg & gt regardless thats the last time i will match on a server with out the nocheat.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: FourthX on February 22, 2004, 08:36:29 PM

I watched the demo, there's nothing in there to show that he's wallhacking. I still suck at this game and i can make shots based on what i hear. there's also such a thing as recon...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 22, 2004, 08:39:16 PM

Then tell me what to look for and I will wait to see what everyone else has to say about your stupid donkey ranting.  If you have "tested me so many times" then your stupid ass should have recorded a demo that would incriminate me rather than make a stupid donkey out of you. I welcome another demo anytime and don't mind matching you anywhere anytime wether I lose or not.

And FYI I left the game because I was pissed off at Snipen... Nothing to do with the game.

All your doing is making yourself look like a true NOOB with this but that's okay by me.

Good Day :)

MuT

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 22, 2004, 08:52:10 PM

Everyone knows Mut hacks !!!!!!!!!!
Thats what makes it even better when you kill him :)
J/K any way if you watch the demo you can see the spray watch for spray and you will find the person. i can see a couple lucky shots in tehre but nothing to prove a wall hack.
even with the demo when you was cahsing him and he was in the base he never looked  anywere like looking through a wall he looked down teh whole time ??? so that would mean an aimbot not a wall hack and further more for an aime bot doesnt that make teh person jerky and such and not able to make some of the jumps?

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 22, 2004, 08:54:46 PM

Jits you got to put a spell check on this darn thing ofr us drunk or sleepy people :) sorry about types on last message

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 22, 2004, 09:23:06 PM

Haha, yeah -- I probably should.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: meat on February 22, 2004, 09:47:20 PM

I agree with Mutilator on this one. ive played my fair share of games with him, on public servers or where ever.  He has handed my ass back to me plenty of times, and maybe once or twice i got him.  That whole demo looked like a match, with people complaing about losing.  Thanks to jit and his new sound system, its no wonder Mut heard you coming.  =)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 22, 2004, 10:18:28 PM

Hahahaha Meat!!  And I thought it was those new crackling ground textures Jit put in the last version.

You used to hand me my ass on a regular basis.  I do have a bit of a ping advantage on Graffiti servers now.

MuT

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Dirty_Taco on February 22, 2004, 10:45:03 PM

umm #1 we didnt lose. During the match i agreed in the fullest with cid, after watching the demo i was a little skeptical, i mean if those rounds where it most seemed like a wallhack were just lucky shots, excrement he must have a 4 leaf clover growing out of his ass. Otherwise one would have to have extensive knowledge of how most people play in every situation on both maps, and have headphones on earsplitting loud to pinpoint shots that well. I'm not accusing anyone here, just stating what i observed. Both maps played are maps rarely played in matches (midnight2 and jump) too bad though, midnight2 totally rules :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 22, 2004, 10:55:12 PM

Well mut, seriously, i dont think you were hacking either, but the fact that your getting blamed for it, you deserve it. You and your acusing me of hacking all the time is utter annoying. And no, its not your "WALLHACK" bind either, i came on the server, under a diff name cause i was fooling around on my local server, and you acused me of wallhacking, aimbotting and all. So, yeah. It's annoying, and pisses alot of people off. So please stop it. Tables are just turned, and you dont like it do you. And dont bother posting some "clever" response, cause i really could care less what you have to say. Oh yeah, and calling someone a black person, IS RACIST. Your friggin old enouf to know better.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Excalibur on February 22, 2004, 11:35:39 PM

i think if you are called a bot or wallhacking it's like a compliment.  when i used to play like 3-4 years ago back when it was a q2mod i was called hacker bot everything so i know what its liek but i allways took it as. if they think im a bot im really really good or the bot sucks i allways choose the first one :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 23, 2004, 12:23:17 AM

Yeah Xile I've been doing that for years.. I do it ONLY because it annoys and pisses people like you off and sometimes to the point they start making mistakes in their game. Most have figured out that I'm bullexcrementting when I call people hacks.  Most of us say it just to be silly.  It's a shame you try so hard to read BAD into everything.

And don't put words in my mouth fool.

Calling somone a black person, which is not what I said that night anyway, is NOT racist.

If I would call a black person a member of a socially disadvantaged class that would be racist.  If I call someone I'm pissed off at a member of a socially disadvantaged class then I'm refering to them as a low class skum bucket regardless of their race.  If I say black person please I'm simply cutting up with a bud... again Not directing anything I say towards anyone of the black race or anyone specifically because of their race.  It would seem to me that because you are so set on associating the word member of a socially disadvantaged class to the Black Race that maybe your a tad bit racist.

And you do care what I have to say because your ass will be back just to see what my response was ya dirty hacker :P

All in good fun Xile :)

MuT - The Annoying One d:{Þ

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 23, 2004, 12:39:03 AM

Dirty Taco I would just like to see what part of that demo shows anything that even looks like a wallhack.

What does rarely playing these maps in matches have to do with anything?

You of all people know that we've been playing these maps for years.  Midnight2 seemed like an odd choice to me for a match just as Jump seemed odd to you.  I picked Jump because it is one of my favorites and yes I have "extensive knowledge of how most people play in every situation on both maps"  I also had my "headphones on earsplitting loud to" which allowed for pinpoint accuracy along with dam good recon, and my 30 or below ping.

No we did not win because I quit the match before it finished.  We sure ruffled your feathers though huh :P

MuT :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 23, 2004, 12:53:14 AM

Jesus Jit your cuss catcher thinguhmuhbobber made my reply to to Xile look dumber than it already was!!  This is funny because now I have to contradict myself and in reference to my reply to Xile say that "black person" = N-I-G-G-E-R again NOT Racially implied!! hehehe

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 23, 2004, 01:23:03 AM

Well Mut...GG, maybe that demo wasnt enough to convince people...so i took a demo of you later sunday night. Try lying about this one.

http://www.valleycenterwireless.com/muthax.exe

gg mut

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Dirty_Taco on February 23, 2004, 01:33:31 AM

aww thats dissapointing, that video is more than proof :/ its too bad mut that it had to come to this... gg

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: meat on February 23, 2004, 08:00:17 AM

Just out of curiosity, which client were you using....i like the features in there, they should be added into the next release.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 23, 2004, 08:02:58 AM

Nice try again... You idiots using clear walls to make it look like I'm hacking might convince some people... I only hope it let's them know who really does the hacking in DP.

What the hell are you doing with clear walls anyway??  Wallhacking I presume?

You must be dumber than you both look.  

It's as simple as LISTENING with a good headset and spraying the most common camping spots of the map.

Your added effect of clear walls almost convinced ME I was a hack.  Good Show!!

MuTiL8ToR (The oldest living Digital Paintball hack on the planet)  

I'm honored :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Eiii on February 23, 2004, 08:03:07 AM

by "features" you seem to mean, "built in wallhack".

:D

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 23, 2004, 09:06:48 AM

mut you really are a moron...i dunno why you even try to lie about it...i recorded that demo with a wallhack on that i got that night...and with the wallhack on it was very obvious that you had one on as well...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 23, 2004, 09:47:38 AM

Your an impressive, almost convincing little fool ACID...

There are a whole lot of neat programs for creating and editing videos on that radgames tools website you used to make this video.

I'm not sure how you did it but I especially like the 2 perfectly placed splats before I make it around the barrels.  You do that with textures?

Is there actually a hack that can autoaim through objects and if so why would it shoot before a person is around the object?  

You seem to have exstensive knowledge of Wallhacking, where to find them, and how to use them.  "I recorded that demo with a wallhack on that i got that night" Now that's laughable ACID.

With your talent and resorcefulness one would think you have better things to do than harrass old men playing Internet Games.

Now to put everyone at ease I'm going to start useing the NoCheat program again in an effort to eliminate any doubts of wether I hack or not.

I'm going to pluck the 4 leaf clovers out of my A-S-S and in the meantime you can go POOP that Dirty Taco you have crammed so far up yours.

Good Game Ya little ugly Wallhack! lol

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 23, 2004, 02:21:15 PM

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I do it ONLY because it annoys and pisses people like you off

See, that's the kind of behavior we don't need in this community.  Whether you wallhacked or not, I'm still disappointed in you.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 23, 2004, 02:23:13 PM

ROFL!
too bad someone who thought u didnt hack in the first demo converted that. Compare the demos everything is exactly the same, minus, the first demo is not wallhacked. Watch them both, everything the same happens at the same time. Nothing was changed. So GG mut. And oh yeah, turn off the hax.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 23, 2004, 02:25:00 PM

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See, that's the kind of behavior we don't need in this community.  Whether you wallhacked or not, I'm still disappointed in you.

Exactly my point jit. Grow up mut. Your too old to be a lamer. You should know better.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 23, 2004, 02:32:56 PM

Btw, the original demo recorded by Acid
http://xile.scopez.com/mut1.dm2

What? Did he hack that too mut? You can see they are exactly the farting same. Just a wallhack was used to record to a movie file for people who dont have have a wallhack. Obviously you do..

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Is there actually a hack that can autoaim through objects

ROFL! you arent accused of autoaiming, you pointed and aimed at the guys cause u could see them through the wall.

Your busted. Admit it. Game Over. Turn it off lamer.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: RoyalBlood on February 23, 2004, 05:47:51 PM

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See, that's the kind of behavior we don't need in this community.  Whether you wallhacked or not, I'm still disappointed in you.

You beat me to it, I was going to say the same thing.  That is so classless and immature, and you know what? -- that only makes someone suspect even more that you would be low enough to be a cheater and use wallhack.  Along with the two demos cid posted and your unintellegent responses to the accusations, I am starting to side wth my mortal enemy cid (kidding  ;D) on this one.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Donk on February 23, 2004, 06:10:13 PM

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Yeah Xile I've been doing that for years.. I do it ONLY because it annoys and pisses people like you off and sometimes to the point they start making mistakes in their game. Most have figured out that I'm bullexcrementting when I call people hacks.  Most of us say it just to be silly.  It's a shame you try so hard to read BAD into everything.

And don't put words in my mouth fool.

Calling somone a black person, which is not what I said that night anyway, is NOT racist.

If I would call a black person a member of a socially disadvantaged class that would be racist.  If I call someone I'm pissed off at a member of a socially disadvantaged class then I'm refering to them as a low class skum bucket regardless of their race.  If I say black person please I'm simply cutting up with a bud... again Not directing anything I say towards anyone of the black race or anyone specifically because of their race.  It would seem to me that because you are so set on associating the word member of a socially disadvantaged class to the Black Race that maybe your a tad bit racist.

And you do care what I have to say because your ass will be back just to see what my response was ya dirty hacker :P

All in good fun Xile :)

MuT - The Annoying One d:{Þ

Wow,
 where to start..
  Alright Muti, in the first lines of this, you completely owned up to the fact that you use wreckless immaturity to try and bring other people down from their game.  I can understand that perhaps sometimes, it helps to lower an opponents' skill level to make them an easier target.  If that's the route you need to take, no one can change that. However, I think it shows colossal amounts of selfishness to take away from someone else's enjoyment of a game, just to further your own.  

 Before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth, allow me to direct you to the library. I have not misrepresented what you said, I have merely spelled it correctly or worded it more clearly.  

 Honestly, if this whole thing turns out to be wrong, good for you. If not, I can't say I didn't expect it a while back.  It was people with maturity levels such as your own which encouraged me to move on to other games.  I do still miss a lot of the good times had with paintball, and it's always nice to check in and see the progress made from the first release so many years ago.  I'm sure you're ecstatic that you may've played some part in my leaving dp, but I've now got a whole different set of crybabies to deal with in other mods.
 I think it would've behooved you to have just ignored this thread, not spoken up, and certainly not have addressed it in a childish manner.  You're only hurting yourself here.  
 Really, muti, you're what? 45 now? Family, kids, the whole deal.. Perhaps getting called out like this is a stepping stone for you to move on and spend more time with your family. If not, have fun aliasing for the rest of your playing time.

 gg.
 -Donk
 

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: oddjob on February 23, 2004, 06:49:08 PM

I am not accusing mut of hacking, but i was playing with him in the server on shazam, and on multiple occasions i would come up the low crouching, and some how magically he would come right out and shoot me right when i was comming, considering i was ducking im not so sure you could have heard me comming. The fact that it happened more than once. Its real sketchy. I agree with donk on what he said too.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 23, 2004, 07:09:50 PM

Wow do I have a pack of people pissed off at me here or what..

So I've been called out on the carpet here.  I merely play the same dam games, talk crap, female dog, and whine about people hacking ect that many many others have done over the years and still do...  Why I chose this stupid game as a place to vent all my frustrations and act a fool is beyond me.  Your right... Ive been very immature and acted like an ass many many times over the years.  I suppose I deserve this one.  I'm 41 so please don't add anymore years.

Not that it makes any difference to any of you but I would like to end this thread with a public apology.

I never had any idea you felt that way Donk but I'd like to thank you for opening my eyes.

I'm sorry I've annoyed the DP community with everything over the years and will change my ways from here out.

MuTiL8ToR

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 24, 2004, 04:43:45 AM

Oh and I forgot to than Xile for putting and actual demo up WITH SOUNDS.  Strap on your headsets and watch the spray along the wall on the right while I'm in the middle.  Also notice 4th is owning my ass most of this demp and out of ALL your efforts the only thing that would have looked suspicious to me would be the Video ACID made with clear walls...  It has one hell of a convincing nice effect when you DON't include sounds.

I'll accept that I've been an excretory opening.. maybe even a moron with my attitude but I have NEVER used a WALLHACK.

MuT

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Darkphyre on February 24, 2004, 09:02:03 AM

Muti hax goat pr0n. I have proof. :o

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 24, 2004, 01:03:05 PM

Well mut, i actually STATED to people that stream and the fact that it seemed that you could have seen it and noticed. But nobody agreed with me. So meh. I just really did this cause ur an ass =]
I beleive that you could have seen that stream, and did everything by that. You backed up, seen it, and of course your going to know someone is on the boxes. The suspicious thing is this... You went up to them, obviously looking straight into the barrels, when the guy was hopping to and on the barrels you back up, look up, as if u were waiting for him to jump. And somehow magically knowing he was coming.
And the fact that you had headphones on really makes no difference, sound is produced the same way for both. I have $300 headphones i have for my music. And nothing that comes out of them nearly inspires me to do stuff like that.

But who knows. Your an ass. But i still love you.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 24, 2004, 03:12:54 PM

Hahahah Okay Xile ... Truce :)

I don't know how everyone else plays in their own home but sound is half the game to me and has saved my ass countless times in OLD SCHOOL Maps like Arctic.

The shot I was attempting and even missed was at the player on the box who nailed me.. I sprayed right and got lucky to kill the guy in the corner.

Listen to your demo and you hear the humph humphs from the beginning of that whole round. With 2 players you can almost tell where they're at from the begin.  You get in the middle and listen to the double humphs of one player. That tells me he's goin to the box like most players do, I back up from the barrels to attempt to get one of those speed slides going on the ice, missed my first shot and got lucky with spray on the second. And jumped like a wildcat on hot coals to avoid the wrath of FourthX once again.

Hard to see how that would look like a hack until you use the tools ACID used to make the video...  What's funny about him doing it the way he did, ANY demo could make a person look like he's hacking..  It paints an ugly message wether the person is hacking or not.   Look how crappy I played on that whole demo.

Anyway, I am a hot head and some even know me as a hick lol  I know I act like a stupid donkey kid on this game...  It brings out the worst in me and I've known Donkerz since before I ever came to DP.  He hit home base when he told me he left DP because of me.  I have a lot of freinds in DP and am NOT out to specifically hurt anyone...  I simply get carried away in the games.  God forbid if I acted like that in Real Life!

For that I'm sorry and really will attempt to act a little better.

Sorry for being a excrement to you too Xile  I aint kissin ya but I can learn ta love ya again... Er maybe pimp you out or somthin like that :)

Oh and anyone living close enough to me is welcome to come watch me play...  I might even share my Jim Beam Hack with them.

MuT

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Toto on February 24, 2004, 03:20:15 PM

seriously you people are dumb mut plays like me with a headset and i get blamed for wallhacking all time if you actually played with a headset youd know you could hear foot steps from half way across the map and when people pick up paint and barrels which all give away a persons position and if youve been playing as long as me and mut youd know most spots where people camp and crouch for it to be just common sense to fire there

-Dekar(aka. the newbie)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 24, 2004, 03:45:19 PM

As for What Mut and Toto have just said i agree with it
and not because i have been friends with Mut sence i started playing which has been about 5 years or so but anyway to get to the point if you watch the demo that Xile put up at the moment in question at the end of the demo Mut is in the middle on the ice I knoticed that there was spray comming along the wall FROM the corner i would have shot in the corner and so would just about everyone (correct?) and as for the other guy in teh low corner behind the barrels  the begining of the demo shows he camped there each time???? there is a such thing as camera in the game when you are dead ( I use it religiously) so i still dont see anything to prove to me and if it is proven MUT hook a brother up with the program (mabe my game will improve some)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 24, 2004, 04:01:10 PM

you know mut i must give you an A for effort...i didnt make the demo with the hack on it, infact the person who made the demo with the hack on it was someone who was defending you at the start. I had no part in doing anything with that demo after i took it.

1. you followed the two guys with your crosshair.

2. then you nail the guy in the corner who never shot once. He also never jumped once. and he was ducked. ntm anyone who wants to watch the rest of the demo feel free he doesnt "check" that corner any other time.
http://www.valleycenterwireless.com/mut1.dm2

3. then you couldnt be any more obviously staring at the box when you are near the flag.

Mut this is the last post i will put on here. You should just give it up, get over it and apologise to the DP community for playing dishonestly. I am just stunned that you are still trying to deny this. Good Games and Good luck

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 24, 2004, 04:38:27 PM

1. I have to admit yes with the wallhax in the video Mut did keep the crosshairs on the one guy kinda  but like I said in the message above hge sprayed through the crack in the barrels and the wall I my self would have shot there too. but he didnt get the guy he shot the one in the lower corner which he might have seen barley when he was creeping around the corner  and when he shot him he was backing up from him too ( mut does have 1 of the lowest pings on the server in fact i can only think of one other person with a low ping like that and that would be blitz with a 14 ping ? does that mean he haxs cause I tell you he owns my ass when ever I see him, with mut I can kinda handle my self sometimes)

2. as for the box at the end of the demo he was looking at the spray as far as i can tell I am not nor have i ever said i am a phyic but thats jsut what i would have done in the same situation....... or hell he might have known the guy was there ( HELL GOT ME THINKING NOW like i said hook at brother up) to open my eyes for eather way you want to look at it cause it sure looked like 4th was owning him at the begining and why did it stop when it did instead of showing more? can you do a demo of the whole thing with the wallhack on ?

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 24, 2004, 04:58:15 PM

This will be my last post to this rediculous accusation of yours as well.  Come down off your fence post and lay it to rest.  I have never used a wallhack and don;t know why the hell I'm wasting my time defending myself to the likes of you.  In the time you've wasted trying to make me out to be a wallhack with your wallhacks you could have drove here and found that.

A. I can be an excretory opening
B. I female dog alot
C. Cheating is something this 41 year old man will NOT do.

And while we're counting...

1.  I follow SOUND and the crosshair you used is not nothing like mine. I use a MUCH smaller cross, NOT a giant arrow.  With yours it seemed suspiciously close indeed but even yours was not on the player or players.

2.  The demo plainly demonstrates that I aimed for the box, shot and missed that player, then sprayed and ran like crazy to get away from 4th who I knew was after me.  The demo cannot show anyone my camera view while I'm dead for 45 seconds.  How many times did I die?

3.  I faced the box so that I could see spray to the left or right of me.  As you will also notice in your wallhacked demo I never looked at the player who was down to the left mainly because I CANT see through the box because I don;t have a WALLHACK like you do!

ACID it's amazing you've played DP as long as you have and have nothing better to do than harrass me.  It's further amazing that you forget the basic game strategies of OlLD SCHOOL maps.  I've played the maps you've attempted to implicate me with 1000's of times over a 6+ YEAR period.

Just for you I've even started using that annoying NoCheat program but I doubt that will convince you either.  

You called me to the carpet in an attempt to prove I was wallhacking and you have failed.  If your that desperate to have me be a wallhack then just call me a wallhack as many of us in DP have done over the years and move on.  If it still bothers you that much then I'll give you my address and you can come watch me play as well.  Don't be mad if I don't share my Jim Beam hack with you because right now I don't like you.

At least I can admit my faults and I have apologized for those to the DP community.  Maybe you might just be wrong this time and should apologize to the DP community for all the bandwidth you've wasted in this obsessive endeavor of yours.

MuTiL8ToR

END THREAD!

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 24, 2004, 05:18:39 PM

I want the last WORD

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Eiii on February 24, 2004, 06:09:33 PM

well you won't get it

:P

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 24, 2004, 06:13:16 PM

I am curious, though -- why don't you use the new standalone client?

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 24, 2004, 06:36:28 PM

I was using the Alpha 6 which is an awsome peice of work.  I would play it and quake 2 pretty much equally.

The Alpha 7 and 8 name stuff is extremely annoying when people are trying to join to the point I was wishing there was a way to ban it from our servers. Spamming the names one letter at a time until the full name is there makes no sense to me.  I run my game in a resolution made for a blind man... as big as it gets and its like a mass flood of text when someone joins.   It also sucks because the names ONLY look good to those on the standalone.  Many people still choose to use Quake 2 and the name thing should be as it always has been... User Friendly - meaning we've been using the old names for years and now you can't without them looking like jibberish.  Do you plan to fix that?

BTW can you send me a copy of the full 6 please?  MuTiL8ToR@cox.net

And thanks for all your hard work on the Alpha's

MuTiL8ToR

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 24, 2004, 07:40:28 PM

Well, im pretty sure jit said that the old funnames are fubar for new versions. And also, when he releases a final version. Quake2/old builds will be obsolete and not be able to be used. Not 100% tho :D But it would cut down on usage of quake2 hacks ect... So i think its a good thing. Whoever still uses quake2 for some odd reason (the standalones are beautiful), i think might just leave =[

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 24, 2004, 08:25:34 PM

well that suxs cause with my system everything is perfect with the colors and such
i do love teh way the new builds look nad everything but i my self ( which i do not cheat ) perer the q2mod aver the standalones as things are right now
i have used the standalones quite often but still go back to the orignal q2dp i my pretty much dont care for the standalones because i cant see anything like on most maps its to dark or to bright even with toggleing overbright and i cant see were teh balls are going

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 24, 2004, 08:26:00 PM

jits you got that spellchecker working yet?

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 24, 2004, 09:55:57 PM

Um, what's the last version you tried?

And no, I haven't had time to implement a spell checker.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: meat on February 25, 2004, 09:11:48 AM

maybe to stem people who are really cheating you shouldnt allow the quake 2 builds to be compatable anymore.(BTW i know you plan to do so, but im implying do it earlier to keep the community going)  because i have a feeling that there are more quake 2 cheat apps than you can shake a stick at.  And that way make a lot of them obsolete, idk, just IMO.  Im hoping not to see more of this with other people, cause it will turn into a situation were everyone is going to start accusing and make the already small DP community smaller(if thats possible??).

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Dirty_Taco on February 25, 2004, 03:29:47 PM

quite frankly as of now i assume anyone using the old version of DP has it for some clandestine purpose. Frkq2 is very easy to get and even easier to use. there is no other point to using the old version of q2 rather than gaining an advantage over someone using the alpha. Anyone smart would use the alpha anyway purely based on the fact that it saves so much disc space compared to q2. Plus im sure when a final version of DP is released maybe the airheads running servers will implement version checking so frkq2 cant be used. So yea all you old version users are hackers hahaha i iwin gg

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Excalibur on February 25, 2004, 03:42:13 PM

lol ok i think anyone that is better then me cheats :)  and as far as the q2 mod goes for about 1 month i used that one before i got the stand alone ver because i was not used to the stand alone ver yet but i slowly wined myself off of the q2 one and on to the standalone ver.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on February 25, 2004, 04:16:25 PM

well the last version of the standalone i used is build 7 and when i get a better comp and or moniter i might be going to the standalone but for now i use the q2mod and i feel it looks better and runs better ( with my set up) and if you accuse me of hacking i will laugh at you because i totaly suck 90 percent of the time !!!!!!!! AND as soon as i talk to Xbain we will be having the ncservers on the server so i hope that will relax some small part of everyones minds...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 26, 2004, 12:42:59 PM

Try using build8.  A dark monitor is all the more reason to use the alpha -- you have a lot more control of the brightness and such.  Quake2 is really dark (unless you cheat -- I consider high gl_modulate values cheating).

btw: sv_minclientbuild 8.  Set that on the server and people with old versions won't be able to connect.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 27, 2004, 11:16:26 AM

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well the last version of the standalone i used is build 7

Build008 now has gamma mapping ect.. So lighting of maps is alot better then quake2/old builds. It can make a huge difference on dark monitors.

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AND as soon as i talk to Xbain we will be having the ncservers on the server so i hope that will relax some small part of everyones minds...

Well, we have tested the nocheat server on a couple pdepot servers and we have still been able to get around it with quite simplicity. The only way to stop hacking is if jit uses version checking. This would enforce players to use the latest version. This should cut down any hacking vigorusly (sp?). Anyways, the only way someone could hack, is if they downloaded the source and changed it. Which i think alot of the people in this community are too lazy to do. And if they do, then its just extremely lame that they would ruin the fun of this game. And do not deserve to be a part of the community.

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btw: sv_minclientbuild 8.  Set that on the server and people with old versions won't be able to connect.

Thats a toughy, because probably about 50% or more of the community still uses Quake2. I have no clue why, there is no excuse to. The new alphas play/look better and have tweaked netcode. I lag out in quake2 all the time, but with the standalone i never do. It just doesnt make sense to use the old versions. If the game seems choppy set cl_cmdrate to 80 and you should be fine. Im running on a p2 450, 96mb ram, and a 16mb riva tnt and the game plays absolutely fine. Also to note that im on a 56k modem and have no trouble playing the standalone. EVEN with the high-res textures.
The only reason someone would use the old quake2 is for access to hacks, other malicious things, or have a comp crappier then mine.
The control in the build is also easier to jump ect.. because of the tweaked netcode.

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i have a feeling that there are more quake 2 cheat apps than you can shake a stick at

this statement is also extremely true. we found this out when we were testing hacks against our servers/ncs

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Frkq2 is very easy to get and even easier to use. there is no other point to using the old version of q2 rather than gaining an advantage over someone using the alpha.

We found frikq2, and it HAS nocheat EMULATION. so someone using it, would look like they have nocheat when they really do not, and are hacking. We tried it, and it works.

The poiint is, the quake2 version is darn ugly, is VERY hackable, and also produces more lag for netplay. So all you quake2ers better change over sometime soon. Or you will be obsolete. If you leave because you say the standalone sucks, its incoherant and sounds mailicious, and gives the community the idea that you ran quake2 for hacking reasons. Its better looking, has new lighting, and tweaked netcode. The only reason to use quake2 is if you have a EXTREMELY crappy computer or for other mailicious reasons. If you do, its time to friggin upgrade. you can buy a comp that will run the standalone fine for like $50 these days.

-Xile

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Dirty_Taco on February 27, 2004, 12:44:46 PM

/me 2nd's xile

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: meat on February 27, 2004, 01:08:23 PM

The only reason i would contradict my self is becauase I have friends who enjoy playing the mod...(the have macs).  So the only reason i would say not to do it is because of that.  I can't blame jit for not compiling/programing pball on mac, seeing as he doesnt have one.  other than that i totally suport servers that choose to disallow the quake 2 mod.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 27, 2004, 03:45:07 PM

Well meat, im sure if people spoke out and there was a high demand for a mac version jit would do it. I just dont know hardly any people with a mac. Maybe 2, but they also have a PC. I have vc++ but i have no clue on how to compile to the mac-os nontheless anything besides windows. Ill check it out though.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 27, 2004, 04:23:03 PM

It would be nice to have a mac build.  Mac users are a bit limited in the games they can play, so if promoted correctly, we could probably get a lot of hardcore fans that way.  Maybe once I get a job I'll invest in one...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: meat on February 27, 2004, 04:31:00 PM

Right, well, i offered them the same alternative, they however are not in the mood for pc's, for finacial and personal reasons. If there is an eventual beta, im all for testing it, i do have a mac, but i only use it for recording.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Blitz on February 29, 2004, 12:21:51 AM

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quite frankly as of now i assume anyone using the old version of DP has it for some clandestine purpose.

Well, there are certainly legitimate reasons (IMO) to favor the original quake2 mod over the stand-alone alpha. First of all, I find the new player models/skins particularly annoying. The contrast of team coloration is greatly reduced, which inevitably lead to me second guessing a friend/foe (at times shooting at everything within range). Perhaps one would argue that such insecurities are a legitimate part of paintball strategy and therefore should be considered a welcomed addition to the game. Well, perhaps. Perhaps, though, after familiarizing ourselves with a particular form of gameplay over a period of years, we are not exceedingly ecstatic about making fundamental changes in our style of play.

Secondly, there is a small (but significant) difference in the jumping ability between the modification and standalone. Currently (mod), you possess a slightly extended vertical, which provides you (depending on the map) a slight advantage in manuverability.

An additonal hinderance that currently exists is a mismatch between server and client side model bounding boxes. Essentially, the new models are larger (at least while crouched) than the previous quake2 version. Thus, it's quite possible to shoot through someone's head while playing with the standalone. On a side note to a point made eariler, I don't believe the space you save is significant enough to worry about (considering you can run the mod with the quake2 demo, and maps take up the majority of the space anyway).

Essentially what it comes down to is that change is often difficult to accept. Thus, when presented with an older/more comfortable version and a new build as interchangeable methods, I myself prefer to side with the former. Let it be clear, I am extremely glad that the game is being enhanced and revitalized, but certainly we should not denounce those who choose to side with familiarity (at least, not yet! ;)). One might then counter my implication by presenting the drastic change in ball-speed that occured some time back. I fully agreed that the previous speed was somewhat ridiculously slow; however, at some point the line must be drawn. I find the recent discussions of "realism mode" and "falling damage" to be on a level that would critically alter the game's structure. If you are going to implement such features in the name of 'enhancement,' the least you can do is make it a seperate game. I'm here to play a quake 2 based paintball modification -- nothing more; nothing less. The day I am no longer able to glide 20 feet through the air and reign down upon DirtyTaco is the day that I walk away from this community.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 29, 2004, 12:47:14 AM

I totally agree with you on the gameplay issue blitz. I dont think anything should be changed. People are asking for more realistic things. The fact of the matter is this is not (and never was) a simulation of the game paintball. It is quake2 style, which is arcadish, extremely fast paced, and fun. If they want a "Realistic" mod they can go play digitalpaintball(eeek), even though i hate it. The only things that really need to be worked on is all the fixes. Make it so we can jump on the X at the bottom of shazam with the alpha. and fix the hitboxes to fit the models or vise versa. And i like the new menus and stuff, but i think jit has led off that this is a paintball game, its all futuristic like now. Kinda takes away from the feel of a paintball game (sorry jits its nice, but it truely does take away from the feel of paintball and SPLAT AND PAINT!)

What i do not agree with you on is the contrast and visual ability to recognize players. Is your alpha settings calibrated? You do know theres a spot to calibrate the settings right? The colors on quake2 are very bland, which makes the players blend even more. So could you show some sshots maybe of the comparison for us. I dont have any trouble recognizing teams from a distance. Nor, do anyone else i know. Maybe you need glasses =]

Also, i still know some people who can complete jump maps fine using the alpha. So it cant be that bad.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on February 29, 2004, 12:53:05 AM

(http://www.planetquake.com/digitalpaint/images/junk/pb2p.jpg) (http://www.planetquake.com/digitalpaint/images/junk/pb2p.gif)
(http://www.planetquake.com/digitalpaint/images/junk/pb2y.jpg) (http://www.planetquake.com/digitalpaint/images/junk/pb2y.gif)

Side by side comparison.  New skins are brighter.  I agree with you about the ducking, though, but that's a problem even with the original q2 model.  I plan on making a new model to fix that.

And don't worry, I'm not going to remove the arcade style gameplay if I do the "realistic" mode.  It would just be an alternative gameplay style.

BTW, I'd really like it if those of you who prefer the q2 client could post some side by side sshots comparing q2 to the new version and state what exactly it is you like better.  I'm not putting all this time and effort into this to make it suck.  I want to make it better for everyone.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Blue on February 29, 2004, 08:39:05 AM

those are some ugly sneakers   :D

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 29, 2004, 10:36:27 AM

Thats the problem jit, people whine about stuff behind the lines, and dont speak out. So its there own fault if the game isnt the way theyd like it to be.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 29, 2004, 11:15:42 AM

i love you all

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: MuTiL8ToR on February 29, 2004, 02:15:20 PM

I Love Q2 beacuse i've been playing it for years...  I also love the new standalone that Jit is working on..  Alpha 8 is very nice with the exception of the funname alteration... It is ugly, does NOT work correctly, and is of NO Comparison to the more colorful and easy to use previous funname maker...  The older version looks much nicer and is feeindly with all versions of Q2 and the standalone until 7 and 8 were created.  changing it makes no sense to me at all as it inconvienances EVERYONE who has been using color binds and colored funnames for the many years that we have.

I respect your desire to try new things but PLEASE change it back to the old way... Take a vote on it if you have to but please!!

Lastly could you guys PLEASE start a NEW THREAD for this subject as it has nothing at all to do with my wonderful hacking ability.

Hugs n Paint Splats to you ALL!! :P

MuTiL8ToR :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 29, 2004, 02:57:00 PM

Jitspoe dont listen to these homos, I think you are doing a super job, no one has come close to giving dp life again like you have. mut as for the names...obviously you dont use the alpha nore have i ever seen your name with out all the rainbow colors. I love you jitspoe, you are doing a great job!

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Xile on February 29, 2004, 02:58:25 PM

1. The funnames have all the same charachters as the old one did. Minus some that were never used in the first place. Obviously you dont know how to access the fun name maker menu. The only reason why it looks fubared on the old versions is because they are repositioned and alot of new stuff was added.
Type: menu setup_funname in the console.

2. They are only messed up on the scoreboard.
3. The new fonts look so much better.

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and is of NO Comparison to the more colorful and easy to use previous funname maker...

4. There are 256 colors to choose from. Not just 2. Which makes it  MORE COLORFUL
5. If you think they are retarted because they look way to big. You didnt take the time to read the readme file and learn about the hudscaling.
6.

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easy to use previous funname maker...

The new one is actually just as easy.

Next time please, get hard evidence to back up your theorys. Thank you.
/me slaps you in the nipple five times in a row.

~ END OF TOPIC ~

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: acid on February 29, 2004, 05:03:07 PM

so whos going to make a dp league?

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Eiii on February 29, 2004, 06:08:51 PM

Didn't he just say...

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~ END OF TOPIC ~

that means stop posting...

:P

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Dirty_Taco on March 01, 2004, 12:02:38 AM

In response to Blitz, whether you use the q2 version because you prefer it over the the standalone due to familiarity purposes is... cool.  The point is verion checking should be in place solely becasue of frkq2. I had only heard speculation about frkq2 untill recently when i saw the horridness first hand. Its sickening how easy it is to install and use. At least the old wallhack made you lag and had some other disadvantages. Frkq2 is flawless and it includes a myriad of hacks besides the wallhack, all which work flawlessly. This is a huge problem and i wouldnt be suprised if more than 50% of the q2 users use frkq2. So hopefully server admins will soon invoke such changes.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Blitz on March 01, 2004, 08:19:26 AM

The wallhack portion of FRKQ2 does not work flawlessly with the highest level (type 2) of NoCheat Server.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: mr_slacker on March 04, 2004, 03:52:53 PM

You know what i do believe if the servers were set to only allow client 7 or above and there was no possible way of hacking in it you guys would find something else to female dog about?????
( ever heard the expression you would female dog if your icecream was cold??????)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Anrkist on March 06, 2004, 08:49:24 AM

"changing it makes no sense to me at all as it inconvienances EVERYONE who has been using color binds and colored funnames for the many years that we have. " Its an inconvience to see that crap flying around the screen!

"HEADS UP IM 5!!"

"WARNING I LIKE SHINEY OBJECTS"

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Hobo on January 02, 2005, 10:03:01 PM

Just thought I'd try to bring this one back... cause I like to see Mut get all bent out of shape and I'm ornery...  8)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: PiCaSSo on January 02, 2005, 10:21:13 PM

LOL Funny!

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Dirty_Taco on January 03, 2005, 02:49:17 PM

RAFFLECUPS

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: `cid on January 03, 2005, 02:51:42 PM

haha good times...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on January 03, 2005, 04:00:48 PM

Quote from: Blitz on March 01, 2004, 08:19:26 AM

The wallhack portion of FRKQ2 does not work flawlessly with the highest level (type 2) of NoCheat Server.

Unfortunately that takes away footstep sounds which ruin half the strategy.  Not to mention the problems with people disappearing in windows and spontaneously appearing around corners.  Personally I'd rather have a couple wallhackers once in a while than having to deal with that all the time.

As for annoying chat colors -- what do you say I add an option in the next version to strip out color codes in text and/or names? :)  Also, an ignore option is planned...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: loial21 on January 03, 2005, 06:01:11 PM

 :'(  

There is  a GOD !!!!!!!!!!

   








 :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: LAN@wasted on January 04, 2005, 11:53:21 AM

Quote from: jitspoe on January 03, 2005, 04:00:48 PM

As for annoying chat colors -- what do you say I add an option in the next version to strip out color codes in text and/or names? :) Also, an ignore option is planned...

that would be one of the most valuable improvements on the game... its sooo annoying, and it really makes no difference on the content if it is white or colored ^^

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Fyre on January 05, 2005, 03:27:22 PM

can't wait for an ignore feature...that way we'll be able to completely block out those annoying mofo's

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: jitspoe on January 06, 2005, 02:55:52 AM

Ignore feature has been implemented... now to finish up some more of that crap on the todo list. :)

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: `cid on January 07, 2005, 01:45:47 PM

I like this forum topic the best.

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: PiCaSSo on January 07, 2005, 07:21:11 PM

LOL Here all of us are trying to move forward and make this a better community for everyone and we have to put up with this jokester attempting to ruin it all.  Of course this forum topic was a fabricated joke to begin with so go figure. 

Jitspoe I think it's about time to wipe this one as it is only being posted too for one obvious reason.  this is really getting OLD.

Ignore features,  "annoying chat colors", ect.. are supposed to be in the DEVELOPEMENT section of your forum.

Let's ALL move forward on a positive note for 2005

PiCaSSo

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Hobo on January 09, 2005, 12:51:03 AM

  Wipe it clean?  Does that mean you're gonna stop reminding us how long you've played?
   I like this string and it's part of pballs history.
  It's funny how you can recon on vent and know exactly where the other team is but can't accept when someone puts a paintball on you.  I came on vent one day at gohan's invite, all I heard was snipen bossing people around and calling people hackers, and telling dye that he's talking too load, plus a few other things I won't get into here.  It was so sad, I would consider that an advantage which isn't usuable or used by many.
  So this string will hopefully keep coming up whenever you call out HACK!! as a reminder of what's it's like.
  Have a nice day...

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: PiCaSSo on January 09, 2005, 01:32:43 AM

Always an ass in the bunch...  I guess we can't expect everyone to grasp the idea of a new start.  We don't hide the fact that we use Ventrilo during play and rest assured that a large part of the DP community use one form of chat or another so STOP trying to act holyer than thou  Does it bother you that much that I mention how long I've played (Like that has any bearing on what the hell we're talking about) You strike me as another POOP starter with your latest post.  Whatever you've heard was prior to the new beginning that is being attempted by the server admins.  I didn't call out "HACK" and the ONLY reason this topic was posted to recently was because of an idiot that had no better recourse than to try to get to me personally by bringing it up again...  Talk about LAME

Grow Up so that the rest of us can move on!

PiCaSSo  :P

Title: Re: wallhack caught on tape
Post by: Hobo on January 09, 2005, 04:19:00 AM

Kind of grumpy ain't ya