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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: Belmont on March 17, 2004, 05:51:27 PM
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Why the hell do people use that sh*t.
Its like wallhacking.
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not really there has been some talk about not using teamtalk when your dead (recon) cause thats like wallhacking but using it when your still alive is np it tells your team that you need help top mid or low mid or whatever.
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It is pretty cheap to use while eliminated. Server admins could enable locked chasecam to pretty much kill the effectiveness of dead man recon (though that won't help with observers unless maybe I made it check for clan tags).
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Its just unfair. Its like eR33t, they all have 60 pings or lower (Blitz has about a 15 ping on a few servers), they're all really good players, and hey lets just throw in TEAMSPEAK to make them unstoppable. It just takes the fun out of things like matching, I mean who wants to match a clan that can't lose? Its stupid to play teams that know exactly where you are.
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yea but after playing the the clan a few times you should learn the way they work and find a way to counter that.
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You have no room to talk. You try matching eR33t, if you win, I will worship the ground that you walk on.
eR33t out pings, out aims, and all around out plays everybody. It would be more fun if everybody played the same (no teamspeak).
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well i can win most members or er33t one on one but im not in a clan so i cant match them
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No.
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Excalibur next time you're on IRC please come to #team_er33t for a tryout.Thank you.
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Oh almost forgot, Y2J owns.
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Wow, too good.. ::)
First off, if you're arguing about dead-man recon you should also include textual recon into the mix of things. Otherwise, it's pretty useless in my opinion to blarb about how "unfair" it is. For one, have you tried using it? If so, you'd know that at times it is more of a hindrance to your play than anything. Besides the latency, you have to deal with several people who all want to talk at the same time… and you end up having no idea what the hell is going on. Also, something about hearing a bunch of llamas talk gives the game a much more "casual" atmosphere, which sometimes might not be a good thing.
On another note, one could argue that textual recon could/can be MORE reliable than the audible alternative. For example, you could easily create numerous recon configs for specific maps (perhaps splitting them up and assigning sections of the map to different teammates, enhancing the detail). Such one-touch recon would undoubtedly be more precise and coherent. Going further on the subject, there is a wide selection of games (as well as quake2 modifications) that take advantage of .loc (location) files. If such was the case, you would have even _MORE_ ability to (conveniently) recon textually.
With that said, if you still feel that voice recon is extremely advantageous when compared to the textual alternative, I beg of you to use it next time our clans meet (as long as you agree to stop complaining after you lose).
Now, concerning our "low pings," my only response would be that we all do not live in a frat house with DSL shared between twenty people. Tell your buds to save the blatantly homosexual porn leeching until _AFTER_ you're done playing.
One last thought:
Since I'm home in Houston for Spring Break this week, we haven't been using teamspeak. (usually I host the server from the univ. connection (not dsl, btw.)) The [eR33t] vs [iR] match which you participated in a couple days ago certainly wasn't much fun. I hadn’t pummeled two guys with big mouths (well, one guy.. :'() like that in quite a while.
We're not unstoppable, either. A couple hours ago [cP] took us to a tie map... which was decided by only a handful of points. Considering they had some veteran players that are a bit rusty, it could've been even closer (i'll leave out the part about digi being drunk, for the sake of argument). You'll also notice our record does actually have losses on it...
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I have it on 2 computers in the same house and me and my brother play it but we don't cheat we usually play on diff teams anyways just to kill each other
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I'm for the whole .loc files, but as blitz said, that would make recon easier. i say, a forced playercam, or you can only see the players that your team can see. (or render)
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Y2J, the only flavor of Ownage.
Betta get it right all ya'll!
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I dont like teamspeak, not only because i think dead man or observer recon is cheap and unfair, but mostly just cuz i think hearing someone elses voices during gameplay is annoying. Also i dont want to or i'm not able to talk out-loud during gamplay all the time. For example if i'm playing late at night and people are sleeping in the other room.
I would be completely for eliminating dead man recon by whatever means necessary. If you are down 1 against 2, you SHOULD be at a disadvantage. With dead man recon (voice or text) it seams like you have the advantage in that situaition cuz you have more people telling you where your opponents are at and what they are doing. If you think about that, thats just stupid.
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True. I think not using dead man recon would make the matches more of real "matches", and also make them more interesting and hard. Anyways, removing dead man recon would have no affect on anything. People would just find other means of communication. TeamSpeak for example. Or ventrillo, or anything like that.
So, it would really make no difference not using it.
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But thats what the topic was about Xile... getting rid of teamspeak.
Its evident that some clans have a distinct advatage over others (teamspeak, ventrilo etc. etc.).
My point was: why do people use voice communication tools? We were thinking of ways to rid the games use of teamspeak, so that people could play somewhat fair, and to not let any one clan be advantageous over another.
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Well teamspeak applications are the next wave, unfortunately. Thats what people want, and just cuz you dont want to use it doesnt mean others shouldnt be allowed to. Voice communication in games is a huge selling point for XBox Live and certain games, right? Teamspeak by its self doesnt really give anyone an advantage. Its using it while chase-camming the other team that gives a team an unfair advantage.
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Well then thats what needs to be dealt with. Teamspeak and dead man recon.
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i dont think it is unfair cause when you think about it you can do the same thing granted if your camping they tell you were you are but that just means DONT CAMP.
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Ok, seeing how only 1 person gets the idea behind this post, why don't we just drop it.
I've been overruled.
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Well, there's no real way to stop people from using voice communication. Hell, even if you did some really fancy program that scanned the memory for various voice communication programs (which would be extremely difficult to write and easy for people to get around), it wouldn't stop people in the same room or using the phone. Simple fact of the matter is: many people will do anything they can to get an advantage. Only way to stop them is to disable it completely. Unfortunately you can't rely on people to play fair. You have to make it impossible to not play fair.
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LOCKED CHASECAM ON YOUR OWN TEAM!
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Jitspoe, I hope everybody that uses voice recon reads that post.
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Locked chasecam works with the q2 version.
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then make it work for pball.
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It does.
ooh, 210 posts. ;D
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Bel, my post had the same point as jitspoes you roosterbag. People, will, and always find a way to gain the advantage of using other programs. I mean, think about it. How are you going to eliminate teamspeak? It is impossible. Nobody here manufactures the programs that people use for voice communication. Thus, they cannot be elminated. As for making servers chase your team only. I highly doubt any of the servers would actually comply with that. Clans have been adapted to dead man recon for the longest time. The result of doing this would be whiners, and more whiners. Hell, people were getting pissed at me because I had flood control on the paintdepot server's and they couldn't constant recon. And there is no point in putting them on paint depot, because then nobody would want to play on them. Nobody does in the first place ;)
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Thats the wrong attitude. You just do whats write and people will whine for a bit, but then get over it and come around. And those who dont, intercourse em. Dont need em, cuz those are obviously the people who spam and cheat the most in the first place.
I think the main point is that in matches we should have locked chacecam. You could do whatever you want on a public server, actually its probably better letting people chasecam, cuz its more fun and you might learn something from watching other people play. But matches should have a different standard, which will hopefully be designed by this commitee thingee.
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"Anyways, removing dead man recon would have no affect on anything."
Xile, my first point was proven to be.. insignificant to the problem. What you were talking about right there ^^ I have idea about. We've been discussing ways of eliminating dead man recon altogether. i.e. what RoyalBlood said, "Its using it while chase-camming the other team that gives a team an unfair advantage." Thats all i had every hoped to get out of this post. Thats where teamspeak needs to be stopped.
Agreed Royalblood.
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I don't know what the big deal is about using teamspeak. Its not like we are the only ones who use its. For example, i've found out recently that cP uses ventrillo which is the exact same thing as teamspeak. Also, Xp uses teamspeak. So I don't know what the big fuss is all about. So I suggest you stop being such a hypocryte. One final thought, why don't you try using teamspeak and figure out how "easy" it is to use during a match.
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Honestly, you need to shut up already. =P
All games of any sort now-a-days involve voice recon in some way. Welcome to the future of online gaming. If you don't like it, leave.. Also, personally I think that mm2 recon is a lot more effective then volce recon. I can't speak for all clans, but even when we (eR33t) are on ts2, 99% of the time we're reconning with mm2.
If we do use ts2 (which is rare), we use it just for the fun of laughing/having a conversation while playing dp, since sometimes DP can get pretty boring. =P
Also.. I'd like to point out the fact that belmont, dew, and dirtytaco live together, and put their computers beside eachother when they're matching... yet he's the one sitting here complaining about voice recon. Funny. I even thought dew was wallhacking last match because he ALWAYS knew what corner, barrel, etc. we were at the second he jumped into our base. Then I found out that him and dirtytaco had their pc's right beside eachother, which made sense.
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teamspeak is fine. if an enemy comes up the main way and kills you, you should be able to say "INCOMING MIDDLE!" to your team. the real problem is observing. chasecamming the other team and telling your team where they are isn't fair. so, there should be a locked chasecam on your team!
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How is it not fair all of a sudden.. Why has it been fair for the last 5 years? I have never heard people complain about it.
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Digi,
First of all, and let me clarify this for all of you... DirtyTaco and I are the only ones that live together. Also, we live in different rooms in a huge house... we don't room recon. This whole week is spring break for us, I'm not in town, so I haven't been playing dp. However, Dew and DirtyTaco matched you (eR33t) while sitting right next to each other. Now, I'm not saying that I've NEVER done this before, because I have... and the only reason they do that, is to try to beat you (eR33t).
Also, I've decided that trying to fight with you guys (and everybody in dp for that matter) will get me nowhere. So my alternative is to design and make a map that is so utterly confusing, that you won't know how to voice recon it.
How 'bout them apples.
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/me stands behind DirtyTaco
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Other advantages? I would like to know what these other advantages are. On a second note, we were already owning every clan we played before we even discovered/used teamspeak, so I don't see why you guys must consist on arguing.
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Y2J, you're a homo, enough said.
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Curse the day I made this topic!
Apologies.
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Told ya.
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BOOOOO!!!!!! ts wankers
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I think that those who aren't capable of using tools such as teamspeak and ventrillo are simply jealous of their inability to utilize these things. Their jealousy is not going to keep me from doing as I please even though they see it as unfair, I see it as childish views that attempt to hinder my fun. Get over your own suckiness because if you had any skills you wouldnt be faced with a problem in the first place. Cry me a river and then drown yourself in it :'(.
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"simply jealous of their inability to utilize these things"
"doing as I please "
"childishviews that attempt to hinder my fun"
"Get over your own suckiness because if you had any skills you wouldnt be faced with a problem in the first place."
You have assumed to much my son and made your self look like an ass. I am here to help you as friend, and I dont give s h i t whither you care or not . This is mostly for others to read.
1st You "assume" I am jealous > Please be kind enough to prove it .
2nd Can I be jealous of my own "inability" ? Is that not an oxy moron. Ladies and Gentlemen what say you? (i could be wrong)
3rd You "assume" i suck in some fasion (no jokes please mut), that would be an unedjucated and poor assumption, you must be new friend , go ask around .
4th You "assume" I was trying to hinder your fun and that I have a problem . Have I ever suggested live or on the web that TS should not be used , nor have i complained about it ?
5th (This is the funnest) You "assume" that I have no skills and I assum that you are reffering to installing a TS program plugging in me good ole' mic and entering an IP address. If I am correct in your assumption then you are worse then a wanker.
6th I dont like calling people names unless I am kidding . Calling someone "Childish" is just that.
7th If you felt someone was lacking the skills to do something , be a big person and offer help. Did you do this , no is the anwser.
I will let you or others surmise what kind of behavior you have displayed here for all of to see .
Again, I say these things out of the spirit of friendship and good gaming (something that seems to be lacking lately in any gaming community) friend and fiends alike .
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loial i wasnt talking about u : ) i was talking to other whinny little ppl on here. im just tired of ppl complaining about things that they themselves could do. im not saying that i'm the best cause i know im not but i dont c y ppl cant just play and get over the little things that they deem as unfair when they yhemselves could use them. cmon now loial u thought i was talking about u?
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god i need to strt typing more carefully kinda scary
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grammer and spelling very scary
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loial plz dont talk down to me i never inferred that u were "unedjucated." lol good fun
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lol sorry :-[
If i have been rude to you in the past I am sorry , I used to game with a guy named Damien The Destroyer . He was the worse human being i have every met The most ghetto , ingorant racist , white airforce trash and a dam good cheater and name spoofer adn server crashers beside a guy named Mantis, Damien was the most hated person in q2 gaming history and that is a very large community every one knew him and hated him , god hes sucked, he was one of reasons i started playing dp instead of q2WOD (weapons of destruction) . Untill i saw you with a (GT) tag i had assumed that he got bored with q2 and followed me around like a lost puppy dog . Because i was the only every to be nice to him , huh my mistake.
You just bore the brunt of a 1000 q2 gamers hate for him and did not deserve such harsh retort.
My most sincere apologies adn deepest respect sir.
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lol np nah im not damien the destroyer im damien as in party poopers brother np : )
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haha no **** ? kewl nice to meet ya bro . I have played with poopy for a long time!!!....err a...
Just another example of why should have got IRC and TS a long time ago.
Folks any suggestions on what kind of equipment i should get. For example , get the mic and headset or go with just the mic and speaker. I am not into great sound detail that your supposed to get from the headset. So I have stayed away from them . I have my woofer under my desk so when playing other games explosion hit i feel it . How ever in the small intrest of trying to improve my gaming skills (good luck improving prefection) I would like to hear honest suggestions about what is superior for this game, well at the least 1/2 honest.
For i am the anti-wanker here me and obey!!!
"Remember grover from seasme street?" ;D
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Ya ive been playin with u for longer than my bro has. I would suggest a headset because sumtimes it hard to hear ppl and other times u might not want the people near u to b disturbed by speakers
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kewl thanks.