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Digital Paint Community => Other Stuff => Topic started by: maxpower on November 02, 2006, 03:54:03 PM
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Anyone see this image,
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/tmj4/20061101-iraq.jpg)
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They r lying, they r not stuck they r complaining like the kittys they r.
Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
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They r lying, they r not stuck they r complaining like the kittys they r.
Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
What a disrespecful piece of excrement..
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Sheesh so ill informed and I actually agree with Smokey's and Ironfist's responses to you pinobot...
The above picture is our soldier's response to the POS Senator John Kerry's stupid donkey remarks earlier this weak where he basically depicts our soldiers as uneducated when he makes the statement "if they didn't get an education, they would end up "stuck in Iraq."
The above picture is simply them mocking Kerry for his asinine remark.
How dare you refer to U.S. Soldiers as pus-sys and crime?? What the F___ are you talking about crime? Our soldiers are fighting terrorists and defending your rights to freedom while you sit your smart ass behind your computer and type such ignorant crap. They defend your rights with their lives and if I were Jitspoe I would perm ban you from this forum for that remark.
John Kerry is the true vagina flap and a gutless coward.
You must not be an American is the only thing I can conclude.
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I doubt Kerry meant to say they're uneducated. I think he was going for more of "If you would have went to college, you wouldn't be stuck in Iraq". Bush is a total and complete moron. Not only can the guy not speak a sentence with out messing it up, he is a terrible leader. I don't want to get into an argument about it. But I think Kerry would have made a much better president.
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I wonder if pino even noticed the words were misspelled on the sign.
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The remark about Bush is fair Skater but seriously do a little research on Kerry and you'll find out pretty quickly how wrong your last statement is. I'm certainly not impressed with Bush's handling of many issues but he was without a doubt the better of the choices for president last election. Let's just hope we get a better choice next presidential election.
Man i hate girls with huge vagina flaps. Its like they could pick them up and flap away.
Hahahaha Airborne puzzy!! It's a bird, it's a plane, NO it's Super Kitty!! *Splat*
I wonder if pino even noticed the words were misspelled on the sign.
Indeed!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmxKXNb11P8
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Sheesh so ill informed and I actually agree with Smokey's and Ironfist's responses to you pinobot...
The above picture is our soldier's response to the POS Senator John Kerry's stupid donkey remarks earlier this weak where he basically depicts our soldiers as uneducated when he makes the statement "if they didn't get an education, they would end up "stuck in Iraq."
The above picture is simply them mocking Kerry for his asinine remark.
How dare you refer to U.S. Soldiers as pus-sys and crime?? What the F___ are you talking about crime? Our soldiers are fighting terrorists and defending your rights to freedom while you sit your smart ass behind your computer and type such ignorant crap. They defend your rights with their lives and if I were Jitspoe I would perm ban you from this forum for that remark.
John Kerry is the true vagina flap and a gutless coward.
You must not be an American is the only thing I can conclude.
Thank you Doug.
2 thumbs up.
Skater, Bush was the lesser of 2 evils in the last elections. Now it seems that most elected officials are chosen that way, not on merrit, but not as evil as the other.
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I doubt Kerry meant to say they're uneducated. I think he was going for more of "If you would have went to college, you wouldn't be stuck in Iraq". Bush is a total and complete moron. Not only can the guy not speak a sentence with out messing it up, he is a terrible leader.
People went to college and served in the army. They goto college to do certain things in the army, like engineering. Soldiers over dont just kill Derka Derkas but they build schools and playgrounds for the kids over there. I am not ribbing on you skater. I am just saying we do more then shoot terrorists. That was meant for the people who think all we do over there is to stop more terrorists attacks from happening.
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I didn't say thats all we do. But a huge part of the army is made up of inbred idiots.
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I didnt say that whats you said. You think we would let stupid donkeyes shoot guns with real ammo. and give them M67s, hell no. So they aren't idiots they just dropped out of high school or forgot a excrement load of stuff
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmxKXNb11P8
Hahaha I was wondering who drank the last half of my Jim Beam Black!!
On a serious note this guy brings up a very valid point and my exact reason for having such a hard time dealing with "How the War started" and George Bush's "Stay the course" action... I totally agree that there is NO WAY to defeat this ideology. You can't kill them quick enough... You kill 20 and another 100 are born while a hundred more are being trained while over another thousand are grouped together in protest out by some mountain being inticed into attacking Americans in any way conceivable. They showed a group of over a thousand the other day doing that very thing. That would have been a perfect time to drop a small bomb and get them while they were grouped together but noooooo we have to lose more soldiers and do it the slow way.
Honestly, we are inevitably screwed no matter whether we "stay the course" or "cut and run" in my opinion.
I'm still voting Republican across the board Nov 7th. Somehow the continued Democratic blame game doesn't seem like the answer to any of our economic or defense issues and after watching both sides closely for the past several years I have yet to see Dems bring a viable solution for anything to the table. All I've seen on ALL the networks is their notorious blame game. They can't even discuss an issue without finishing the sentence with "It's George Bush's fault"
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Max thanks for adding that... Sadly, the average person only takes verbatim, a few things they might have seen on their local news station as the almighty truth. It's easier to report all the bad things that happen in the world because the media seems to think that that's what we want to hear... You don't hear hardly anything about all the good we're doing for other countries. Just the bad... Again, I have my doubts about whether it makes any difference to the Iraqis whether we help them or not... From what I'm seeing the majority are against our occupation and want us outta there.
I watch news almost non stop daily. I do the locals at noon, 6 and 10 and the rest of the time my TV is back and forth between CNN and FOX, FOX of course being my favorite and through it all I can't help but just wish all this middle eastern crap would just go away...
Skater, that last remark is just a stupid donkey statement from an ill informed child. WT F do you know about any 1 person in the military. Your statement reminds me of something that gutless assnugget Kerry would say. Sadly, our soldiers die to protect idiots like you. I certainly doubt you have the spine to join the military and defend your country. I think it's past your bedtime now...
Knacky old friend... always a pleasure :)
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Yes! One thing i say is if we do screw up bad (we wont cause we kick ass! God Bless America and all the non-idiots living there, which is only 20%, and 20% being idiots, the rest is mexicans, no offense just stating the truth) we nuke the middle east and try a different country
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They can't even discuss an issue without finishing the sentence with "It's George Bush's fault"
Most news channels are democrat, so whenever they get a chance to post something bad about Bush they make a big ass deal out of it, and when they go for months without finding anything that Bush didn't "screw" up on the make even more bullexcrement up. Like 9/11. Its all Bush's fault it happen.
We had it coming to us for years, with our McDonalds (McD kicks ass also), our fat people that excrement on their asses getting paid to do nothing, our SUVs, and so on. If Al Gore was the president they would be saying what a good job he did responding to 9/11. I say whoever listens to the news and mistakes everything for the truth is a complete stupid donkey! >:( . Yes some stuff they report is true but anything about politics is 99.9% wrong!
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Picasso, stop with your stupid rants. I didn't say I don't support the troops. Do you think I want them to die for no reason, cause honestly, what are they fighting for? A LOT of people are high school drop outs who cant afford to do anything else besides go into the force. And thats a fact. My grandfather is a retired Army colonel, my father was in the army for 7 years, my mother was in it for 6 years. I know some stuff about it, bud. So don't just assume I'm an un-informed child. I am old enough to join the army right now if I wanted, so clearly I'm not a child. You're right, I would never join any sort of military force. I find it absolutely pointless to fight over nothing. If I had to, of course I would. Would I voluntarily though? No. If thats gutless then so be it, I don't care.
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I didn't say thats all we do. But a huge part of the army is made up of inbred idiots.
It's not a stupid rant kid and again your statements are baseless and without any fact! Your claim that "A LOT of people are high school drop outs who cant afford to do anything else besides go into the force" is simply FALSE. Yes of course there are some but very few... You insult the men and women of our armed forces with such ridiculous exaggerations and false statements without a tiny bit of factual proof... I'd say you're very gutless... Too bad your family members either didn't teach you anything about honor and respect or maybe they did and you just didn't listen. Now scream and call me a ranting old fat drunken fool or something rather than offer a mature and factual response that doesn't insult someone...
Good night, it's past my bed time LOL
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There's no honor, nor respect, involved in going out of your way (overseas) to kill Muslim extremists for their beliefs. The Iraqi insurgents deserve more respect than those going out there to fight them and try to conquer their culture/beliefs.
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OMG we're doomed for sure! It blows me away that anyone could perceive or distort the facts with crap like that Tinman. I think I'm gettin off this subject before I end up with another heart attack lol Good day!
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Do you think I want them to die for no reason, cause honestly, what are they fighting for? A LOT of people are high school drop outs who cant afford to do anything else besides go into the force. And thats a fact. You're right, I would never join any sort of military force. I find it absolutely pointless to fight over nothing.
Are that dumb? people who drop out of high school work at Fast Food joints. They aren't fighting over nothing, they are keeping our freedom so we dont end up like Russia or Japan. You want a dictator telling you what to do, when you can work, when you can eat, and when to take a excrement. I sure don't. So stop saying they aren't fighting for nothing. Support your country or go live in Canada.
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max... Do you honestly think one communist country is going to affect America? Seriously, we are the worlds leading economic source, leading army source and more. The fact that we stick our noses in every country's business so we can have more control is the reason were fighting. Fighting for our freedom? Who's threatening our freedom? I support my country when it makes right decisions. People who drop out of highschool basically have two roads to go down, military and low wage work. A lot of them choose the military. A lot of teenagers graduate highschool and go straight to the force. I don't care what you or anyone has to say to be honest, call me stupid whatever. I suggest you go pick up a movie called "Why we fight". Then come back and post like a gun toting republican.
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We should pull the soldiers out of Iraq and send them to the moon instead, since, you know, we've never been there before, and they're obviously doing no good in Iraq.
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Do you guys talking crap, even know anyone that is in Iraq right now or was? No! So you believe whatever people tell you, which is bullexcrement. Know what, there are 7 billion people in the world, you think we are going to agree all the same thing. intercourse No! Those Muslims over there hate us! If they had the chance to drop a nuke on us they would.
I'm not saying i agree with going into Iraq, i am just saying support your troops and country.
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Jitspoe, I think you should temp ban yourself for making rude references. Tell me why were in Iraq and whats the purpose. Oh yea, to find nuclear weapons DUH!!!
max, why do you think almost every other country in the world hates us?
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Ok, I'll admit to argumentum ad hominem, but you never did own up to being wrong about the moon landings, so you've kind of ruined your credibility. As for why we're in Iraq now, I think it's mostly to help rebuild the country and try to keep it from breaking out into total chaos / civil war.
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I never said almost every other country. I said Muslims over there hate us. We are looking for WOMD because we got info from our operatives over there. But we were also taking Saddam down. We are just trying to setup democracy over there and setup some decent schools so we give those kids a chance too, so they dont end up like their parents, going out with AK-47s shooting people and blowing themselves up.
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Jitspoe, how was I proven wrong. By the way, I was looking for desktop background and came across one of the moon flag and an astronaut, the flag was waving.
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The flag was waving in a desktop background? Is there atmosphere in jpeg's too? :)
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"Most news channels are democrat" Fox news?
"Do you guys talking crap, even know anyone that is in Iraq right now or was?" <-- Yes.
First of all i said most new channels. 2nd of all i was just asking skater if he actually knew someone over there. Cause people who don't know anyone over there shouldn't say we are over there for no reason. Im done with this post, i just asked if anyone saw that image then i got a bunch of crap then i had to post to it, now im just done. No Im not 14.
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From Jitspoe:
We should pull the soldiers out of Iraq and send them to the moon instead, since, you know, we've never been there before, and they're obviously doing no good in Iraq.
ROTFLMAO!!!!! Jitspoe, Like Harland Williams in "Rocketman", He Farted!
From DirtyTaco:
Man i feel sorry for this maxpower kid. Probably like 14 years old and completely disengaged with reality. Bet his parents have been indoctrinating him since day 1. Reminds me of those kids in that evangelical jesus movie. Here's an example of the next generation of kids that will never think for themselves. It's disgusting, really.
DT I feel sorry for those like you who think they know it all. It seems like the majority of topics that allow a person to voice their opinion are shattered by your response which brings nothing to the table other than insults. You're a very intelligent person and a d-amned good writer... Why in the heck do you resort to asinine personal attacks. Try offering something constructive to the discussion, even if your opinion might be perceived as wrong or different.
From Tinman:
There's no honor, nor respect, involved in going out of your way (overseas) to kill Muslim extremists for their beliefs. The Iraqi insurgents deserve more respect than those going out there to fight them and try to conquer their culture/beliefs.
Tinman I wonder if the only TV station you have is Al-Jazeer. Where are you from??? That is absolutely NOT the reason our soldiers are over there and that is NOT what they are doing... Not even way far left congressmen are making foolish statements like that.
Whose freedom are they fighting for? Ours as well as Iraqis who were under Sadaam's murderous rein. Are we forcing a democracy upon the Iraqi people? Well, over a million Iraqi people voted so some seem to like the idea of freedom and democracy. Who are our soldiers protecting and who are they protecting us from? They are protecting US and many of our allies from terrorists like those of 9/11 and so many others. Terrorists who have considered people of all free countries as the infidels and have been bred to hate and kill you in the name of Allah with the belief that these are the things that will get them into heaven. This is the way it has been long before we ever went to Iraq.
Although, I think we're in a no win situation over there and the Bush administration has made America look pretty stupid with the way they went about the war in the beginning, one shouldn't forget the good things that we've accomplished in Iraq and the sacrifices that have been made to achieve those goals while in this war against terror.
I don't personally agree with the "world police approach" and while very poorly executed, staging the war over there has kept the terrorist from anymore 9/11 type attacks on our soil. Sadly though, I think this has only post poned those types of attacks because I don't see a possible way for us to win in Iraq and I don't believe we can afford to fund this war for too much longer.
Regardless, most of our soldiers are Skater's and DT's age and they joined the service to serve their country. I find it sad that while most of us have our feet propped up at the end of a long day stuffin our guts with a hot home cooked meal, they are being killed from roadside bombs or whatever while fighting for something they obviously believe is for the common good of the American people and the Iraqi people..
Those over 100,000 young men and women aren't entitled to their opinions. Anyone that has been in the service knows once you join the service, you belong to the government and follow the orders of your commander in chief and your superiors. To insult these soldiers is to insult America in my opinion and that makes my skin crawl.
There are a great many differing and controversial opinions on this subject. Way too many for us to weed through it all and come to any kind of an agreement. We have the News channels, the Newspaper and The Internet as resources for our differing opinions.
What we need all the way around is to stop the ridiculous blame game and insults because that clearly solves NOTHING. What we need, if at all possible, are viable plans to solve all the problems in our country and abroad.
It would seem that Republicans and Democrats have forgotten "Of the People, By the People, For the People" They're too busy fighting amongst themselves to do us any good.
Inevitably, America will be her own undoing...
We live in some really messed up times and all this does is gimme a headache...
Let's call this one done! LOL ;D
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Regardless, most of our soldiers are Skater's and DT's age and they joined the service to serve their country. I find it sad that while most of us have our feet propped up at the end of a long day stuffin our guts with a hot home cooked meal, they are being killed from roadside bombs or whatever while fighting for something they obviously believe is for the common good of the American people and the Iraqi people..
Yeah, I don't want to join the military due to the abnormally high rate of death in that profession. They chose to join, but they didn't choose to start this war. A pretty good number don't believe in this at all.
"Most news channels are democrat" Fox news?
"Do you guys talking crap, even know anyone that is in Iraq right now or was?" <-- Yes.
First of all i said most new channels. 2nd of all i was just asking skater if he actually knew someone over there. Cause people who don't know anyone over there shouldn't say we are over there for no reason. Im done with this post, i just asked if anyone saw that image then i got a bunch of crap then i had to post to it, now im just done. No Im not 14.
We have a reason to be over there right now. We never had a reason to GO there in the first place.
Honestly? Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451, a bit. How we went about solving this conflict. If we can't find the person we're trying to get, we'll just attack someone else who looks suspicious and blur their face a bit so people imagine that people think that the guy we caught is the guy who attacked us.
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To PiCaSSo:
I don't know if you've kept up on things...but as you used the past tense correctly, Sadaam isn't in power anymore, so again, Whose freedom are they fighting for? Everyone I know who has been to the middle east in the past couple years has said that they were there to fight terrorists, not the Muslim extremists who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs. Pretty bad when you're in a war and the people who are there to kill you aren't the bad guys, they're just there defending themselves. Maybe thats a sign to start asking questions and holding the bullets until agreements have been reached between the "non-terrorists", and to get internal support on taking down the real terrorists.
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Hi again Tinman:
"the Muslim extremists who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs."
They ARE the terrorists and they're NOT just killing Americans!! These are the same terrorists who have attacked many of our allies as well as over 3000 innocent people on our own soil on 9/11. We're NOT fighting their beliefs, we're defending ourselves, over a million Iraqi people who want freedom and democracy, as well as many of our allies.
What would you have us do? Continue allowing them to attack innocent women and children all over the world ALL in the name of their insane and radical birth-given religious beliefs. That line of thinking is just wrong no matter where you live.
Oh and again, I spend a ridiculous amount of time watching the news from all angles, reading the newspaper and researching the Internet.
I'm concerned just like the next guy...
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So, muslims are the only terrorists?
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Um...PiCaSSo...you need to go outside and meet people, Muslim extremists aren't terrorists, however a terrorist may be a Muslim extremist. 9/11 wasn't "Muslim extremists", it was Al-Qaeda terrorists, HUGE difference.
Of course they aren't just killing Americans, some of them even ARE Americans, they're fighting anyone who threatens their beliefs, whether it be the American "emancipators", terrorist members of Hamas, American Allies, or Al-Qaeda terrorists.
While you're looking for something else to question, read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism#Uses_of_the_term_in_mainstream_politics
And look into Black Muslims while you're at it, nothing says Muslim extremist like Minister Malcolm X.
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Good lord I love how you bend my statements around and make the discussion even more annoying... No one ever said the the Muslims were the ONLY terrorists and I'm certainly not either Skater and Tinman...
Tinman save the wise cracks like "Um...PiCaSSo...you need to go outside and meet people" It's unnecessary...
I didn't say Muslim extremist are terrorists but I am saying that those who are coming to kill Americans and other innocent Women and children are.
"they're fighting anyone who threatens their beliefs,"
Dam all those innocent women and children!
9/11 wasn't "Muslim extremists", it was Al-Qaeda terrorists, HUGE difference.
What religion do you think Osama Bin Laden is? Since YOU keep referencing Muslims
The terrorists(notice I didn't use the word Muslim) came to our soil to kill over 3000 innocent people of all races and religions including their own. You think I should give a d-amned about their beliefs? (the terrorists or extremists NOT the Muslim religion) They clearly don't give a dam about human life or anyone else's beliefs. If they happen to be Muslims, I sure the heck did not make a specific reference to their religion as being apart of their terrorist actions.
I have dear friends who are of the Muslim religion, one of whom has taught me a great deal about their culture and the Quran over the years. She certainly doesn't agree with the radical views of these terrorists.
It amazes me that you assume that I specifically have something against "Muslim extremist" through anything I have said. Please don't put words in my mouth. I could not have put things clearer than I have above and if you'll review your own statement above, it was you who used the word Muslim.
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am mine and as I've already stated, "There are a great many differing and controversial opinions on this subject. Way too many for us to weed through it all and come to any kind of an agreement. You can post links all day long and I assure you where this subject is concerned there are links to the contrary of your opinions as well as mine.
I can also assure you that there is NOWAY I'll agree with your opinion as I think you're way out there past the Michael Moore and John Kerry types. It makes me wonder whose side you're on but frankly I don't care.
DT I will agree that it's not very enjoyable to see some people's radical and extreme views... This crap is giving me a headache so to Tinman I'll just agree to disagree
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Hi again Tinman:
"the Muslim extremists who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs."
They ARE the terrorists and they're NOT just killing Americans!!
That's why I went on about Muslim extremists, because they AREN'T.
Extremism isn't terrorism, it's activism to an extent that puts you in danger and breaks rules, kinda like a protest in a country where you aren't allowed to think. The worst thing you can do is to remain neutral through the fighting, so they aren't doing that, instead they're fighting for themselves, just like an American militia would do.
As for the terrorists who are killing civilians, of course they need to be wiped out.
As for the non-psycho hamas members, muslim extremists, and others out there fighting the US and other armed forces/terrorist groups who threaten their beliefs, good for them, they're in the right.
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PiCaSSo is meddling awesome, he is my idol. WOOT! There should be more people like him.
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My 2 cents: Quote by PiCaSsO: "the terrorists or extremists" -- Like tinman already said: extremists aren't all terrorists but terrorists are all extremists.
Even today it's like in medieval times: IMO, too many people have their opinions from when they can think about the topic itself and they won't be able to think about it in a different way. Like the born given "Stage system" in the medieval times. Born in one of these stages, you can't get out of it.
So it doesn't make sense arguing about this stuff, as dt said. Once stating an opinion is ok though...
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Tinman: I'll clarify my response even more... You're completely mis understanding my response for the second time.
Your Quote:
"the Muslim extremists who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs."
Then my response:
They ARE the terrorists and they're NOT just killing Americans!!
"They are" meaning: THOSE who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs."
Now for the second time you have mis interpreted the same reply!
TINMAN, AGAIN it was YOU, NOT ME who used the words "Musllim Extremists"
Please get it right!
Thanks...
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There is no such thing as an "extremist", war is extreme.
People die for their country all the time, some do his by blowing themselves up, others let themselves be blown up, it's all the same.
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pinobot has it down, the Muslims from all over the world who are there for the purpose of fighting for their rights aren't terrorists, they're freedom fighters. You wouldn't call the Americans in the American Revolution terrorists, would you?
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There is no such thing as an "extremist", war is extreme.
Jesse is a Bain Xtremist.
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pinobot has it down, the Muslims from all over the world who are there for the purpose of fighting for their rights aren't terrorists, they're freedom fighters. You wouldn't call the Americans in the American Revolution terrorists, would you?
To my knowledge, Americans in the American Revolution fought like men against each other and did not kill innocent unarmed women and children so no I wouldn't call them "terrorists".
You used the word Muslims again so please don't confuse my next statement...
Those TERRORISTS who are coming from all over the world and killing innocent, unarmed men, women and children ARE NOT there for the purpose of fighting for their rights or their freedom so they certainly are NOT "Freedom Fighters". They are fighting against the ideal of over 1 million Iraqi's CHOICE of FREEDOM and Democracy.
Over one million Iraqi citizens are fighting for their FREEDOM. The Iraqi Army, United States soldiers and allies are fighting to preserve their freedom and help them establish democracy as well as training Iraq soldiers to defend themselves hopefully someday without outside help. It is these people who are the "FREEDOM Fighters"
Murdering innocent people on purpose is cowardice, inhumane and a TERRORIST action.
These people wish you DEAD just because of your Nationality, Race, & Religion. They don't care whether you're in their country or in your own, they want you DEAD! They believe this is what their GOD Allah wishes of them and that if they do it, they'll go to Heaven. They believe if they die in the process they're guaranteed a seat next to their proclaimed prophet Muhammad.
These are not normal Muslim beliefs and most true Muslims condemn these extremist's beliefs. Most people of the Muslim religion are kind and gentle.
These terrorists go against their very own religion and the basic principles of the Quaran because they are killing their own Muslim brothers and sisters.
The fact that anyone would defend these demented freaks makes me want to puke!
Again let's agree to disagree and kill this subject LOL
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To my knowledge, Americans in the American Revolution fought like men against each other and did not kill innocent unarmed women and children so no I wouldn't call them "terrorists".
Nor are the Muslims that I'm speaking of. You're thinking of the terrorists, I'm thinking of the insurgents that are ridding Iraq of their new invaders.
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To my knowledge, Americans in the American Revolution fought like men against each other and did not kill innocent unarmed women and children so no I wouldn't call them "terrorists".
Nor are the Muslims that I'm speaking of. You're thinking of the terrorists, I'm thinking of the insurgents that are ridding Iraq of their new invaders.
Call them what you want they are not ridding Iraq of new invaders! They are murdering innocent unarmed men, women and children of their own race and religion which is strongly frowned upon by the Muslim religion and goes against the Quaran.
They are also killing those who are trying to fight for their freedom and democracy.
Now when you speak of the insurgents I understand their anger about US occupation. This is where I come to the "No Win" conclusion and my fear of what was going to happen if we initially went to war in Iraq.
It is where I have a million "what if we didn't stage it in Iraq, then where, how can you defeat an ideal, what should we have done in defense to 9/11, what could we have done?" type questions.
I don't have all the answers but again, purposely murdering innocent, unarmed men, women and children ANYWHERE is cowardice, inhumane and terroristic. Beheading unarmed and innocent workers who are trying to help rebuild Iraq or performing some other productive or helpful service to Iraqis is gutless and immoral.
It's obvious that no one seems to like the way all this was handled by the bush administration, so I propose a question of anyone who has a realistic answer...
What should have been the way America responded to 9/11 and all the other atrocities committed by terrorists upon us as well as many of our allies prior to us going to Iraq.
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Again, you are only seeing the real terrorists, not the majority of Hamas members who don't kill civilians and strongly follow religious beliefs and ethics. I'm talking about the other people, the majority of whom Americans are killing.
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Wrong again... I addressed both if you would pay attention and where do you get your facts when making this statement: "I'm talking about the other people, the majority of whom Americans are killing."
The majority of whom Americans are killing are those who are firing upon Americans, their allies and Iraqi partners or those cells who are outed through whatever form of intelligence...
What FACT can you provide that specifies that the majority of people that Americans are killing are simple innocent insurgents who are NOT firing upon or plotting in some way to kill them other than a few isolated and uncalled for incidents by a few of our own troops.
How would you differentiate between terrorists who are shooting at you and insurgents who are shooting at you.... The caliber of bullet that kills you?? Sheesh
Keep in mind I don't approve of many of the ways the Bush administration has handled the war in Iraq.
But then I beg of you to answer the question "What should have been the way America responded to 9/11 and all the other atrocities committed by terrorists upon us as well as many of our allies prior to us going to Iraq."
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What FACT can you provide that specifies that the majority of people that Americans are killing are simple innocent insurgents who are NOT firing upon or plotting in some way to kill them other than a few isolated and uncalled for incidents by a few of our own troops.
The insurgents aren't innocent, anyone who fires a gun at another person isn't innocent, but they are standing up for their beliefs and fighting all threats to it. Find me a fact that says otherwise, from simply listening to Bush's statements on the news we get the general idea that a LOT more people who aren't in Al-Qaeda are being killed by US troops because they're being fired upon by them, or for other reasons. Its obvious that there aren't that many terrorists or Bush would have just bombed them all.
How would you differentiate between terrorists who are shooting at you and insurgents who are shooting at you.... The caliber of bullet that kills you?? Sheesh
Good point, why would anyone be stupid enough to enter a war where they don't even know who the enemy is?
But then I beg of you to answer the question "What should have been the way America responded to 9/11 and all the other atrocities committed by terrorists upon us as well as many of our allies prior to us going to Iraq."
There is no winning response to that, and we know it, but I'd have supported the targeting of known terrorists and known training facilities, none of the raids that are going on now. It seems that this war has split, it is now a war on terrorism, and a war on occupation of Iraq. I support the former.
I also agree with most of the statements made in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmxKXNb11P8
A strong defense is more important and ethically correct than being offensive.
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"The insurgents aren't innocent, anyone who fires a gun at another person isn't innocent, but they are standing up for their beliefs and fighting all threats to it. Find me a fact that says otherwise,"
Well put and highly likely.
"from simply listening to Bush's statements on the news we get the general idea that a LOT more people who aren't in Al-Qaeda are being killed by US troops because they're being fired upon by them, or for other reasons. Its obvious that there aren't that many terrorists or Bush would have just bombed them all."
People would do good to seek other resources rather than make their assumptions based from simply listening to Bush's statements. LOL
"Its obvious that there aren't that many terrorists or Bush would have just bombed them all."
Might be a little tough to dissect them out from amongst civilians with bullets flying at you.
"Good point, why would anyone be stupid enough to enter a war where they don't even know who the enemy is?"
In the beginning they thought they did or at least we were led to believe they did...
"There is no winning response to that, and we know it, but I'd have supported the targeting of known terrorists and known training facilities, none of the raids that are going on now. It seems that this war has split, it is now a war on terrorism, and a war on occupation of Iraq. I support the former."
In the beginning that's what they did and they toppled Saddam's sadistic regime in the process. But then there are all the other little Saddam Hussein's running around. Maybe they should have gotten out shortly after that because now they are into something that knows no end. The war on terror is now an unbeatable war on an ideal.
Many think we never should have gone there in the first place but to them I ask the very same question of "What else could we have done"
"A strong defense is more important and ethically correct than being offensive."
Also very true!
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The only purpose of the American Army is to secure American interests.
So what are those interests in the Middle East?
Well, oil and oil and then there is also oil.
There are people on this planet that make a living by thinking through any scenario that could happen.We're not talking about today or tomorrow or even next year. For instance: Question: What would happen if we had a nuclear war in the Middle East? Answer: We're screwed.
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American interests that are involved in this are more of protection (killing them before they can strike again) and revenge/prosecution of past attackers.
I haven't heard of anything going on with American troops stealing Iraqi oil, it seems that we'd rather rip apart Alaska before any decisions would be made on conquering other countries in the middle east for the soul purpose of oil. I'm sure that we'd loose our allies by doing that too.
Nuclear war? I think not. If one nuke were to go off as an attack from any country to another, there would be a world war, and with today's technology, there would be no survivors. Scary, isn't it? The same technology that powers homes and buildings all over the world is a threat to us all.
A good movie to watch on this topic: War Games
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Hahahaha War Games Rawks!!
How about a nice game of "Tic Tac Toe" or do you prefer "Global Thermal Nuclear War"
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No one except the dead see the end of war
I prefer tic tac toe with Global Thermal Nuclear War. The loser gets blown up by nukes. Sounds fun!
A simple flash file to explain what will happen in the near future.
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php
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ZOMG! EOTW! OLD!! LAWLZ!
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hah pinobot, you Europeans are screwed. Meanwhile we sit snugly on the other side of the planet while you get leukemia from radiation.
Last time Americans felt save some planes flew into a few buildings, but i'm glad you're feeling save.
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Save? Please try to translate your English to American English when speaking to Americans in English about how you don't know what goes on in America while you're over there in England.
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Would you like some tea with those biscuits?
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Tell me why were in Iraq and whats the purpose. Oh yea, to find nuclear weapons DUH!!!
Would you like me to count the amount of people like Clinton and Kerry who thought the same thing before 911? God you are uneducated.
So what are those interests in the Middle East?
To smear fascist Islams back to the stonage and first and foremost. Lastly secure cheap oil for the next world war. China /Russia/Nkoreans vs the world. Iran will be decimated by Israeli air strikes.
Please take notice that ever new Marine that has passed boot camp and his field training sense a year ago has been deployed not to the middle east but to...thats right Japan. Think about it. We are posturing.
China are the biggest threat economically and militarily to United States if not our equal.