Digital Paint Discussion Board
Development => General Development => Topic started by: BinarySpike on February 26, 2007, 12:34:13 AM
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After a little falling out in the bzflag community over a very popular map I made I have started playing DP.
Playing dp was nice because I sat back, joined the losing team to get better, and would play. Well recently I was on a server and a guy cussed, well having a key bound to say "Please watch the cussing!" because several factors, there were around 40 people playing and any one of them could have been under 10 years old, this is very inappropriate, after a short time three or four guys were cussing me out because I had the key bound and every time they said anything sexual related I hit the bound button.
A couple other players asked for them to stop cussing and they started cussing them out, I'm not sure how admining goes, but as far as this goes DP needs a cuss filter.
Until something like this has been created, and people take action to curb the language and sexual innuendo, I will abandon my mac port (I was basing it off SDL which was a little complicated, but what one of the forum members suggested when I asked about a mac port, because SDL supports more than mac, it would have generalized the opengl context creation)
If I have to I will release my own digital paintball with a complete admining system like that of tjw's mod of Tremulous, and stricter rules on the public servers.
until the digital paintball community becomes *everyone* friendly, then I will not support them.
Swearing Imposes a Personal Penalty
It gives a bad impression
It makes you unpleasant to be with
It endangers your relationships
It's a tool for whiners and complainers
It reduces respect people have for you
It shows you don't have control
It's a sign of a bad attitude
It discloses a lack of character
It's immature
It reflects ignorance
It sets a bad example
Swearing is Bad for Society
It contributes to the decline of civility
It represents the dumbing down of America
It offends more people than you think
It makes others uncomfortable
It is disrespectful of others
It turns discussions into arguments
It can be a sign of hostility
It can lead to violence
Swearing corrupts the English language
It's abrasive, lazy language
It doesn't communicate clearly
It neglects more meaningful words
It lacks imagination
It has lost its effectiveness
Something I like is "It lacks imagination"
Calling me sweaty pirate underpants is a lot more degrading than cussing your head off at me, just makes you look like an uncontrollable fool.
and I'm not talking about stubbing your toe and letting one slip, I'm talking about cussing someone out *on purpose*
If you get angry, walk away, kick the cat a few times
A lot of ppl cuss cause they hate losing, if you join the losing team then you set your expectation as low as you can get, so you can only go up, and you also learn a lot more a lot faster, that's how you start placing first every other game against ppl like FourthX in your first month.
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You stick around. I like you.
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If I have to I will release my own digital paintball with a complete admining system like that of tjw's mod of Tremulous
Please do.
But IMO, cussing isn't that bad, they hear worse in school and such.
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All they have to do is type:
players
ignore #
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every time they said anything sexual related I hit it.
Did anyone else laugh at that? I need to stop visiting the Steampowered forums. :D
But what Skater mentioned is the best option in this situation.
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But IMO, cussing isn't that bad, they hear worse in school and such.
Not what I heard, and not in my school, one guy was cybering ok?
All they have to do is type:
players
ignore #
huh?
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You guys had to know this kind of post would elicit a nice response from me... I'm very passionate about this subject so I may get me a nice ban on this one, but whatever, right.
If we don't stand for something, we'll fall for anything, maybe?
Ok. this is rubbish pirate sweaty pants residue (imaginative!).
Swearing Imposes a Personal Penalty:
It gives a bad impression
Maybe if I cuss, and that causes you to have a bad impression of me, I could really careless what you think in the first place.
It makes you unpleasant to be with
See above.
It endangers your relationships
Really? So you're saying cussing endangers my relationships, or is it knowing limitations limitations on what I should and shouldn't say to the related party is what endangers these relationships. I can endanger all kinds of relationships without a single cuss word. It's a matter of judgment on what you should and shouldn't say, cussing aside.
It's a tool for whiners and complainers
No, wrong. It's a tool for expression. You may have learned through your life to express displeasure to someone by saying "You are such a bad person!" Well not everyone went to your school of upbringing. Everyone is different, and everyone has there own bubble of influence that has brought them through life. The use of cussing to express happens to be a part of many person's bubble of influence.
It reduces respect people have for you
Yeah, whatever, see one and two buddy.
It shows you don't have control
LOL, are you serious? My choices of words to express says all that huh? I think people that cuss have just the same amount of control as the next, non-cussing, person. NOW, not having control enough to NOT cuss when the rules state they should not is another story.
It's a sign of a bad attitude
You crack me up dude. Bad attitudes are completely independent of cussing. I can string off a huge list of people with bad attitudes that seldom, if ever, utter a cuss word. But we won't go there.
It discloses a lack of character
Character according to who? According to "society"? Who defines what brings about the negation of the amount of "character" one possesses? I'll give you a 7 out of 10 on the ROFL meter for that one.
It's immature
By who's definition? You show me statistics that concretely relate cussing with immaturity? I didn't think so.
It reflects ignorance
Really? So people that cuss are reflecting a lack of knowledge or education? Amazing revelation.
It sets a bad example
In a society that frowns upon cussing due to it's own shortcomings and insecurities (Kind of like the USA's view on nudity), I will give you this one. If the rules say don't cuss it's probably best to influence those that can be influenced to abide by the rules in order to have and provide a pleasant experience for all.
Swearing is Bad for Society
It contributes to the decline of civility
It represents the dumbing down of America
I'll group these two together. Cussing is not something America invented. Cussing has not been a major factor in any decline of civility as far as I know. Prove me wrong with hard statistics. You want to avoid the decline of civility and dumbing down of America? How about teaching our children that the word "ask" is NOT pronounced "axe". Eliminate Ebonics and teach our children how to speak the English language correctly? How about African Americans stop teaching there children to hate whitey? How about respect for each and every other person as a human being regardless or race or religion, how about good work ethics, self respect, pride in your work, etc...
It offends more people than you think
It makes others uncomfortable
It is disrespectful of others
It turns discussions into arguments
It can be a sign of hostility
I'll group all these together also. THAT'S THE POINT! Cussing alone doesn't do these things listed above, but for those whose bubble of influence has brought them to use cussing as expression, when the time comes to express, cussing will be used, and sometimes, cussing or not, the intent of expression is to offend. Cussing alone doesn't do these things, people do. All these things can be achieved just the same and just as easily without the use of cussing.
It can lead to violence
Yeah that makes sense. I can't remember a single declaration of war, essentially causing extreme amounts of violence and enormous loss of life that was started by cussing. Violence is independent of cussing. It's the "character" of the individual that will lead them down a path that ends in physical confrontation, not any cussing that may have happened.
Swearing corrupts the English language
It's abrasive, lazy language
YES it's abrasive. That's the point. Can non-cuss words also be abrasive? Of course they can. It's not lazy, by any means. I don't know where you got that from. Maybe you were too lazy to think up anything more creative to throw into this mix of gross fallacies?
It doesn't communicate clearly
I think "You're a meddling rooster sucker" communicates that I despise you and every person in your gene pool very clearly. (see disclaimer at end of post)
It neglects more meaningful words
See above. How can you get more meaningful than, "Eat excrement you meddling dirty crack sexually promiscuous person!" when you're pissed off that your girlfriend/wife has just went down on the postman? (see disclaimer at end of post)
It lacks imagination
WOW, only a person with little imagination could make such a ludicrous statement such as this. "Like my hairy hanging nut sack you stinking smelly crack sexually promiscuous person" lacks imagination? Cussing expresses some of the most imaginative use of expletive and body part combinations ever. It's often quite comical. (see disclaimer at end of post)
It has lost its effectiveness
Well if it has lost it's effectiveness then why do you even care? Seriously!? On the contrary, cussing, to those that use it, is perfect for HAMMERING their expression home, just how they want.
So we've blundered through another post of someone jumping on their "Conform to society because we're better than you" pedestal. When are you people going to learn, WE CUSS, get over it. If you want to make a sensible post on cussing, limit it to "No cussing because the rules of this establishment say not to," and get off our backs with your elitist attitudes. I cuss, and you are no better than I am. You live breath and struggle through life just like the next person. Get over yourself.
(disclaimer: Any above cuss words were not directed at any individual, and were used solely as a demonstrational reference).
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A couple other players asked for them to stop cussing and they started cussing them out, I'm not sure how admining goes, but as far as this goes DP needs a cuss filter.
It has one, but most servers don't have it enabled. I plan to add a client-side filter at some point, though.
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It's a tool for whiners and complainers
No, wrong. It's a tool for expression. You may have learned through your life to express displeasure to someone by saying "You are such a bad person!" Well not everyone went to your school of upbringing. Everyone is different, and everyone has there own bubble of influence that has brought them through life. The use of cussing to express happens to be a part of many person's bubble of influence.
The only people I see cussing are whiners that just got pwned, another incident happenned on ub_cliffs, neither team could get a point and when I grabbed the other teams flag (due to an FPS lag spike because of the massive amounts of grenades going off at once) two people cussed, when I died they joyfully announced that the b* was dead.
It reduces respect people have for you
Yeah, whatever, see one and two buddy.
It shows you don't have control
LOL, are you serious? My choices of words to express says all that huh? I think people that cuss have just the same amount of control as the next, non-cussing, person. NOW, not having control enough to NOT cuss when the rules state they should not is another story.
When you are angry and you let out a cuss word, that is not self-control
It reflects ignorance
Really? So people that cuss are reflecting a lack of knowledge or education? Amazing revelation.
Point made on that one, ignorance doesn't deal entirely with knowledge or education, it's a precept on the subjects.
About some of the other ones, cussing "reflects" it means it makes people think of you... aka gives a bad impression, then we list them, bad atitude, no self-control, etc. etc.
It's how people *think* of you, if you don't care what people think of you that makes you ignorant!!!
Swearing is Bad for Society
It contributes to the decline of civility
It represents the dumbing down of America
I'll group these two together. Cussing is not something America invented. Cussing has not been a major factor in any decline of civility as far as I know. Prove me wrong with hard statistics. You want to avoid the decline of civility and dumbing down of America? How about teaching our children that the word "ask" is NOT pronounced "axe". Eliminate Ebonics and teach our children how to speak the English language correctly? How about African Americans stop teaching there children to hate whitey? How about respect for each and every other person as a human being regardless or race or religion, how about good work ethics, self respect, pride in your work, etc...
So I guess someday our dialog is gonna look like this?
hey crappy? what the crap is up fool? we need to go on a crappy date? yeah? ok good crap!
That's what that means.
It offends more people than you think
It makes others uncomfortable
It is disrespectful of others
It turns discussions into arguments
It can be a sign of hostility
I'll group all these together also. THAT'S THE POINT!
Yay! we finally understand you cuss to make people uncomfortable... how thoughtful!
It can lead to violence
Yeah that makes sense. I can't remember a single declaration of war, essentially causing extreme amounts of violence and enormous loss of life that was started by cussing.
Dude, violence doesn't mean war, although I should have put "hostility"
Swearing corrupts the English language
It's abrasive, lazy language
YES it's abrasive. That's the point. Can non-cuss words also be abrasive? Of course they can. It's not lazy, by any means. I don't know where you got that from. Maybe you were too lazy to think up anything more creative to throw into this mix of gross fallacies?
You are what you eat is a saying? well what you spew out of your mouth is a reflection of your heart.
It doesn't communicate clearly
I think "You're a sock sucker" communicates that I despise you and every person in your gene pool very clearly. (see disclaimer at end of post)
Like mud
It neglects more meaningful words
See above. How can you get more meaningful than, "Eat excrement you dirty crack sexually promiscuous person!" when you're pissed off that your girlfriend/wife has just went down on the postman? (see disclaimer at end of post)
But how many people say stuff like that while playing? no they let out a single cuss word generlized at multiple people.
It lacks imagination
WOW, only a person with little imagination could make such a ludicrous statement such as this. "Like my hairy hanging nut sack you stinking smelly crack sexually promiscuous person" lacks imagination? Cussing expresses some of the most imaginative use of expletive and body part combinations ever. It's often quite comical. (see disclaimer at end of post)
F u is a lot of imagination isn't it?
I know several real people that cuss heavily that hate it when people cuss unimaginative, they only allow imagintive cussing on their servers (different game)
It has lost its effectiveness
Well if it has lost it's effectiveness then why do you even care? Seriously!? On the contrary, cussing, to those that use it, is perfect for HAMMERING their expression home, just how they want.
Dude that's why people take college classes on speech, to HAMMER it down, if you debate with someone more people will like the person who speaks fluently with large words than using four letter cuss words.
So we've blundered through another post of someone jumping on their "Conform to society because we're better than you" pedestal.
Plenty of people in society cuss, and you stood up next to me on the pedestal by posting yourself...
You guys had to know this kind of post would elicit a nice response from me... I'm very passionate about this subject so I may get me a nice ban on this one, but whatever
Listen, if you cuss to offend people, you are offensive.
now S8NSSON, I am and not in anyway telling you you *can't* cuss, but I promise you, if cussing can be curbed on DP you will have a high influx of new people, which means more servers. More servers means more developers. if you just sit and cuss then developers like myself will go to better games to put features in, so DP will stagnate in it's old graphics and eventually die.
(now that last sentence could have been "DP will burn in... with it's c*y graphics)
letting off a single cuss word isn't imaginative, it's not effective, it shows bad atitude (frustration) and does nothing for anybody else, which is selfish, and in frustration it's showing you have little self-control.
@Jitspoe, I have a friend who might want to help me put a client side filter in, but I can't make any promises, I'll talk to him later today.
Big quote, forget who it's by...
In the end a single anarchist will die to the onslaught of government, if there are only a handful of anarchists and governments that employ over 2 million people, then why should we believe the minority?
-BinarySpike
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Evangelical Morals !== Gaming Morals.
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/me sits in the corner and ponders this.......
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All I'm saying is if you want to address cussing in-game where it's not legal, or frowned upon, or undesired then that's fine.
Keep it focussed on the game and rules where the arguments have no rebuttal.
Society and life are so vast and varied that your, almost religious, preachings of cussing die fast and hard before my eyes.
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Evangelical Morals !== Gaming Morals.
First off it's != in mainstream programming languages...
:P
All I'm saying is if you want to address cussing in-game where it's not legal, or frowned upon, or undesired then that's fine.
Keep it focussed on the game and rules where the arguments have no rebuttal.
Society and life are so vast and varied that your, almost religious, preachings of cussing die fast and hard before my eyes.
Second off, I agree, society is vast and varied, but my "preaching" only has to reach the devs, server owners and mods.
And, if cussing is addressed then I can promise with 100% sureness that the quality of DP will increase in multiple area's.
(I'm assured mainly because 3 programmers friends of mine host private servers because they think the cussing is so bad, and they would love to help out if they could play on public servers)
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huh?
If you type "players" in the console it will show everyone playing in the current game, each with a number beside their name. Then you just type "ignore #" to ignore the person of your choice.
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Thanks P!nk, but I found that it's /players, is there like a list of all the commands/variables somewhere?
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Try the Wiki (http://digitalpaint.planetquake.gamespy.com/testwiki1/pb2wiki.php?word=Commands+and+Settings). :)
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Who uses a Mac anyways.
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It's short for Media Access Control address (http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=define%3AMac+address&btnG=Google+Search).
I love Google.