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Digital Paint Community => Other Stuff => Topic started by: jitspoe on April 08, 2007, 12:59:11 AM
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I'm thinking about playing a little more seriously and getting in on some tournaments and whatnot, but first, I need to get some decent equipment.
Now, call me cheap, but I don't really feel like shelling out about $800 for all the equipment I need. I'm hoping to luck out and get a whole package from some paintball retiree for like $300. I don't really care if the gun is electronic or not, so long as it's accurate. In fact, I almost prefer the "old-school" designs. Most of these new electronic markers look like laser space blaster toys or squirt guns, or just flat out butt-ugly.
I stopped by a field local to my parents house and they had a used autococker for sale for $250 -- one of the new electronic ones. It seemed pretty nice. It caught a little bit of the newschool ugly virus (what's with the hump by the feed?), but it's still a decent looking gun.
Haha, they also had some propane powered gun there. Never knew such a thing existed. Crazy Tipmann. Apparently one of the guys who works there -- he wasn't there when I stopped by -- used to work with Airgun Designs, so he probably has a bunch of automag stuff he could sell. I know I shouldn't go just by looks, but in my personal opinion, the Automag RT is the nicest looking paintball gun I've seen. It's also reliable and low maintenance from what I've read in the reviews. Only downside is that it's heavy and a gas hog (and needs a level 10 upgrade or it tends to chop balls).
Thoughts?
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Ok well, you're saying you want a gun/tank/hopper for 300? It would be tough to get a decent gun with that for that price. I say if you're honestly getting into paintball seriously then I'd suggest getting a good gun. Take the 300 and go on www.pbnation.com and look for a pm5(proto matrix 5), an Ion, a promaster, and some others. I'm sure you can get a cheap n2 tank on there also.
Sorry, I laughed out loud at you saying the RT mag is the nicest gun you've seen. Lawler. Don't get a gun without eyes. Just get an ion, they're cheap, light, consisten and have eyes.
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check out this website, it's not a real paintball site, but it has some decent guns and materials. I order from this site for airsoft stuff, and the deal is anything over $100 is free shipping. I just looked and it does have decent paintball stuff so good luck and hopefully something catches your eye.
http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-Paintball/Categories
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Sounds like a job for the A-5 with E-grip and Flatline barrel and 200 round loader.
I had the this setup I gave it away a while back.
That thing was a beast. Full auto, lol
http://www.tippmann.com/product_guide/markerDetails.aspx?categoryid=1
http://www.tippmann.com/product_guide/accesDetails.aspx?id=15
http://www.tippmann.com/product_guide/accesDetails.aspx?id=5
http://www.tippmann.com/product_guide/accesDetails.aspx?id=17
One thing though.
Compared to my e-blade autococker it felt like I was shooting a howitzer, only in full auto @ 15bps.
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I forgot to ask if you plan on playing xball/speedball or woodsball/recball. If you're going to be playing woodsball, just go with a 98 custom or a5 with a flatline barrel. If you're going into xball, go for an ion or something around there. If you're getting a used set up, I suggest a pm5, one of the nicest guns I've shot.
I'm buying a pm5 tonight, actually :]
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/ShaneDroz454/Picture012.jpg?t=1176039955)
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S8N: They had a setup kind of like that there -- I think it was a 98 custom + flatline + response trigger. Describing it as a "tommy gun" seemed pretty accurate, haha.
Hm, is this right? http://www.zephyrpaintball.com/category/markers.worrgamesautocockers.autococker_packages/?META=PBRHD -- something seems fishy about those prices, but that definitely fits what I'm looking to pay. I really wish the new autocockers didn't have that ugly camel hump by the feed.
http://www.zephyrpaintball.com/product/6-KIT-2SPRIMAL -- not a bad looking gun, but is it any good?
Spook: Thanks for the link. This one caught my eye... http://store.matrixbb.com/servlet/-strse-27388/Brand-New-REX-M2/Detail
Skater: Tournaments would be speedball, but I'll probably play a variety of things. The ion sounds like a pretty decent gun. It's kind of ugly, but it looks pretty customizable, so I should be able to change that. There's like 500 million pictures on pbreview when usually there are just 3 or 4, so it must be pretty popular. Out of curiosity, which gun do you think looks the nicest? I've been looking at quite a few guns and still like the style of the RT (though it looks ugly without the rear sight). That PM5 is butt ugly. Looks like somebody melted a blob of silly putty and said, "Let's make a gun that looks like that!" Of course, that's my personal opinion.
By the way, where do you get the money to spend on these guns?
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That pm5 rocks the hell out of an RT mag. Ions are extremely customizable. They have made new bodies and everything for them. They're the cheapest "high" end gun. I'd suggest getting one if you really want to get into paintball. There are several guns that I think are extremely sexy. Egos, pm5-6-7, almost every intimidator, and more. Pm5 is so light and consistent. I'm only paying 250 for it from a friend when I watched him buy it for 900 new in 2005. It's one of the nicest shooting guns of ive used.
I got the money by selling an old gun plus my ipod nano, and my mother is hooking me up with 100. I honestly suggest getting an ion or pm5. I've never seen this pm5 chop a ball. Im not too sure about ions, I've used one in a tournament bone stock and it performed pretty well. Perfect for a starting xball/speedball gun.
I dont see how you cant find this sexy..
(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q166/loki_boli/grad-1.jpg)
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Jitspoe, what you're going to get with those butt ugly guns is feather lightness, durability, reliability, and customizability.
It's where all the innovative technology is being focused out of demand in the market place.
Not to mention everyone on the field going "ooooo"!
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mmm my friend had a pirhana, i played a few rounds of woodsball with it. it was vey nice. i myself have a spyder. if youre a serious paintball player, i wouldnt buy one. they kind of suck =/.
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Use an ion. I have one, it is great. All you have to do is up it like crazy, look:
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/kirby007dave/0723061205.jpg)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/kirby007dave/0825060939.jpg)
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/kirby007dave/0723061206.jpg)
and use a t-board or virtue board if u want to waste the money.
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By the way, where do you get the money to spend on these guns?
This is where they work. (http://hitman.us/)
LMAO, don't know how that site hasn't been shut down yet.
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SkateR/S8N: I realize the new gun designs are going to be lighter and have better performance (reliability and durability are arguable), but with the technology they have to build things smaller and lighter, you'd think they'd have a lot more room to work with the design and be able to make something that looks pretty cool -- not some amorphous blob with a barrel and handle sticking out.
I honestly don't see how you can find that pm5 sexy. It looks a little better than the previous one you posted, but it looks like a toy made to shoot Nerf darts, not a (once) $900 .68 caliber firearm. Actually, there are some better looking Nerf guns out there... http://upload.creamedgeezer.com/images/nerfcustom4.jpg (Spiderman obviously approves).
Looking at it again, the design is more like when you smear thick paint back and forth with your fingers... http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/f/images/fingr.pntng2.jpg -- see it? It's like they smeared right, then left, attached a handle, and boom, instant body design! I like the look of the (top half of the) grip, though. I'm sure it fires great, but I'm not impressed by the aesthetics.
I guess I'm going to have to give in to the "new school" look sooner or later. If I'm going to shell out several hundred bucks on equipment, I want it to at least look nice (to me). I just really can't stand the curvy/blobular shapes so many of the guns have now. I guess I want something that looks more like a "gun" and less like a "marker".
On the topic of nice looking guns, another gun I like the look of (though I'd never buy it because it's a pistol) is the Delta .68: http://www.psychoballistics.com/2005site/images/markers-delta68.gif
P!nk: Where do you find this stuff? Haha.
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I don't mean to sound ungrateful. I am tempted to go with the Ion, but the body kits are really expensive -- the good ones, that is, not the ugly plastic-looking ones. Not sure I want to spend another $70-$150 just to make a $200 gun look a little better.
Anarchy: Would you mind elaborating on why the spyders kind of suck? I was considering the Raven Primal, which has somewhat of a Spyder base, from what I understand. Is yours electronic?
Oh, another (possibly dumb) question -- what's the difference between a nitro tank and a HPA/compressed air tank, or are they just two different terms for the same thing?
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Spyders suck for several reasons. I shouldn't even have to tell you why. Do NOT get any gun besides what i've said if you are planning on playing xball. Seriously.
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Jitspoe, have I ever given you bad advice?
It's obvious you're getting old my friend.
They wouldn't make paintball guns look like that if their wasn't a market for them.
Here's your new gun...enjoy:
http://www.worr.com/vftactical.asp
http://www.specialopspaintball.com/articles/specops_longbow.asp
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Jits,
I totally agree with you. I quit playing tourney ball when electronic markers came to market. Spray and p(r)ay, just look at xball in TV.
I love my level 7 automag. Shoots like a dream and never chops a ball.
My last days playing rec ball were actually teaching n00bs the basics in slow motion: what to look for, how to approach a bunker, things like that.
I miss playing but all of the fun is gone.
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Skater: The mechanical Spyders I'm sure have their faults, but what about an electronic one with eyes? I'm not sure if the Raven Primal even uses a spyder base -- sounds like it's closer to the BKO. Have you ever used a Primal or known anybody who has? The more reviews I read, the more tempted I am to get it -- http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/3151/ -- supposedly it outshoots the ion for about the same price.
I'm curious, though -- what's the point in buying a $1000+ gun over a $200 electronic gun. They all sound pretty much the same to me. If they can fire at the tournament-regulated 14.7 balls/second, and have the appropriate bolts/barrels/eyes for accuracy and to prevent ball breaks, what does the extra $800+ get you? Same velocity and rate of fire, and with the appropriate barrel, I imagine pretty close to the same accuracy. What other factors are there?
S8N: I guess it's kind of like cars. I mean, I'd rather drive a 57 Chevy than some of the new car designs (like the Scion Box On Wheels or Honda Element(ary school student designed vehicle)).
I wish the longbow+qloader wasn't so expensive. That would be a fun one to have.
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Jitspoe, the raven primal is an old gun. I remember that coming out when I played in 2k4, I think. Maybe before. I've actually picked one up, it's heavy, bulky, and I think it has bouncebeam eyes, not sure though. Ions are far better, trust me. Not every review is from someone who knows what they're talking about. The difference in price is pretty dramatic. More expensive guns cycle at a better rate. They are also more consistent, never break paint, etc. Honestly, if you were to buy a spyder right now, shoot it, then shoot an ion or pm5, you would see the difference. It's blatantly obvious that you get what you pay for, just like computers. There is only one spyder out with eyes, vs2. Which I guess just came out, I was out of paintball for a while so I dont know much about it.
Honestly, get an ion. Stop worrying about stupid ass WaR StYlE TaCtiCaL guns.
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Yea i agree with skater. Go with the ion, I shot them all and for the money the ion is not that bad. Right now I shoot an 06 empire 2 timmy and could shoot just as fast with the ion. Don't buy a woodsball gun if your looking to get in speedball tournys. If you just want to play out in the woods with your friends go for a used 98 custom or A5 with Co2. If you go with the ion or a lower end gun electronical gun, buy it brand new.
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It's not just me on the visuals. I've asked 3 people so far which gun they thought looked better (Autmag RT vs. PM5), and they've all said the Automag. One went so far as to say, "I would rather have a rental than have that ugly gun" (re: the PM5). I showed my boss the PM5, and at first he was like, "Thats kind of cool looking." Then I showed him the RT, and he said, "Oh, that is definitely the badder looking gun! No question about it. Go back to the first one? Nah, that thing looks like a squirt gun!"
It seems the Ion is by far the most popular gun right now. I just wish I could have a good looking version of it stock. If I had better ebay sniping skills, I could have scored an ion and 4500 psi carbon fiber tank for under $200. Ah well.
I'm not really looking for "WaR StYlE TaCtiCaL guns". I just want something that looks decent -- something that doesn't look like a cheap plastic toy like most of the electros look like now. The RT doesn't really even look like a tactical gun. It just looks badass.
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Not exactly what I want, but I guess it's what I need. How does this deal look?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Smart-Parts-ION-Roller-Trigger-Halo-TSA-QEV-72-3000_W0QQitemZ260106308146QQihZ016QQcategoryZ47248QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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I would just try and get an ion from www.pbnation.com, then try and find a nice carbon fiber tank and halo hopper on there too.
Edit:
Just got my pm5, I'm loving it. It's a very nice gun jitspoe, you should really consider it.
Or you can get one of these ;]
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IINn1vfdTLE
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Get an ion!
Here is a video of mine, note that filiming and editing is crappy, i did it in like 3 minutes.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2021723426
Edit: I ran out of gas at the end. 8 120 round pods with a 3000psi tank!
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is it me or did that ion look very inaccurate
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o, um fps was like 150 for some reason, thats why it looked inaccurate. Also I had a barrel break right before I filmed, and I didn't bother to squeege it.
Edit: lol, squeege it.
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OH cuz i was saying looked like there was a dramatic drop on the balls when they were fired
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lol @ the text, nitroboy.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YeC549Ci-3c
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Um...............wow.
You sure that mag wasn't doing half cycles?
Another thing, are you going to ever use 34bps? Most feilds only allow semi-auto, and only a handful of people have fingers that can shoot as fast as 18 or 19 bps. The last thing is, if you are some wired alien creature that can move your fingers 34bps, good luck finding a hopper to feed something that fast. That mag had a q-loader, but I dont know if the balls went through the tube that fast, they would have to break when going through that small tube.
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I would just try and get an ion from www.pbnation.com
On the sale/trade forums? Wouldn't I be better off getting it new? Or do you mean I should look for one that already has upgrades?
Nitroboy: I was just pointing out that while skater was giving me grief for liking the looks of an older, non-electronic gun, that thing is still a beast. Of course nobody needs 30+ bps, but the gun is certainly capable of that and can meet or beat many of the electros out there.
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lol, I guess. What kind of paintball do you plan on playing anyway? speedball, woodsball, tourny ball?
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Probably a little of everything, but I mostly need it for tournaments.
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Then the ion would be your best bet. Automag would be cool and stuff, but the ion would be the cheapest gun for what you are going to be playing. Just get upgrades over time, thats what I did with my ion, because my parents made me work for all the things I wanted.
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if you are mainly needing it for tourneys do not under any circumstances get a mech gun, if you do you WILL be outgunned in every game you play, the only possible exception to this rule is a mag, but you need to be able to get 15bps out of it to keep up with everyone elses electros. Best guns out there for new players are the ion and the pmr (proto matrix rail), but you will eventually want to upgrade to to an ego, DM or other high end marker if you want to play more seriously. hope this helps
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the only possible exception to this rule is a mag
Good thing.
/me got trigger happy on ebay.
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What did you end up buying?
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Was it just me that noticed, AS I'VE SAID A MILLION TIMES, you can EASILY see your own balls, and the "ROPE" you draw across the field when firing a paintball gun?
NitroBoys video illustrates my point exactly.
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Was it just me that noticed, AS I'VE SAID A MILLION TIMES, you can EASILY see your own balls, and the "ROPE" you draw across the field when firing a paintball gun?
NitroBoys video illustrates my point exactly.
Since we've gone off on this tangent, I thought of why you might be having trouble seeing the paintballs in the game: your refresh rate is too low. Chances are, you're running with the default 60hz refresh rate that XP uses for video games. You can change this with r_displayrefresh. Set it to the highest value your monitor supports and motion will probably be a lot more fluid. It could also be the quality of your monitor. Personally, I think the balls in the game are a lot easier to see than the ones in that video, so if they are more clear to you in the video, something must be wrong. The only part where the balls were easier to see in the video is when he had the camera like right on the barrel and there was really bright lighting -- you could see a streak shooting out because of the motion blur. At a distance, however (where you'd actually need it), the balls were still harder to see in the video than in the game. I could barely see the balls at all at some of the angles he was shooting -- there'd just be a speck and it would disappear.
I recorded a small clip from paintball2 for comparison. I'm uploading it to google video, but it's going to take a while. I didn't bother encoding it with anything (just a direct fraps dump).
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The ion would be your best bet jits...or even better the new Epiphany from sp, for only $100 more. Grab your self a eggy and a nitro tank and your good to go! Also try looking in a local paintball store, alot of them have old timmys or impulses for sale around $250-$300
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Do NOT get an impulse. I had one, they're horrid. Don't waste money on an epiphany, they're ions only different looking. Just get an ion, or go on www.pbnation.com and look for some good sales. I personally like all the dye and proto guns, also timmies. I've heard the new dangerous power fusions are pretty good guns. I'd look into one of those. If you're going to be shooting a dm/pm or a fusion you'll need at least a halo b hopper.
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What about a DM3 for $164.00? Pretty high-end but doesn't look as ugly as most of the electronic markers since it's an older design.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290103945744 -- apparently the high bidder didn't pay and I had bid on it so I got a "Second Chance Offer"
The automag is already on the way, but I could probably sell one of them... maybe...
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LOL, you ordered an automag? Wow jitspoe. If you want an automag like gun just get an invert mini. Dm3s are nice if they have eyes, if not I wouldnt get one.
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I really have to laugh at some of these markers.
I used to play pump only tourneys and had an absolute blast. Electronic markers have ruined the sport.
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Pump markers are extremely fun to play. Electronic markers didnt ruin anything. How has it? Cause you can shoot more than 2 balls a second? They have certain limits on bps in tournaments. If everyone is using an electric gun then there is nothing to complain about. I dont see why you're griping about it.
Jitspoe: Get a defiant 2.
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I am griping about it because I prefer not to "spray and pray"
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its not spray and pray at all. It takes skill to be able to snap and shoot 15 balls in 1 second at a small target across the field.
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LOL, you ordered an automag? Wow jitspoe. If you want an automag like gun just get an invert mini. Dm3s are nice if they have eyes, if not I wouldnt get one.
Invert mini is ugly (and expensive). :P
They make DM3's without eyes?
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Yes, they do.
Get a defiant 2.
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Do NOT get an impulse. I had one, they're horrid.
thats a little harsh... i have an impulse now and i like it! I've had a few problems but it wasnt ever a big deal, nothing i couldnt fix myself. Its like any other electro..it can sling paint.
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Uhm yea, If you like carrying bricks
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Bleh, second chance offer was a spoof. It smelled fishy but looked legit -- wonder how they got all the info. Ahh well.
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(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/ShaneDroz454/timmyproto.jpg?t=1177185753)
lol terrible quality. Get a timmy jitpoEeeEee
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I think I'm going to stick with the Automag for a while. It needs a little tweaking and probably the level 10 upgrade, but overall, I think it can be a really nice gun. If I hit the sweet spot on the trigger, I can easily get it up to 13-14 bps.
It was a hit at the field, too. Everybody thought it looked cool and wanted to hold it. One guy asked if I wanted to sell it, haha.
I don't know why people complain about the weight so much. The tank is the majority of the weight anyway (and yes, I got a carbon fiber tank, not steel), and it's not like my arms felt tired after running around on the field with it.
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automag = garbage
Good day.
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If you're looking to get into the tournament scene, just buy an ion starter pack. Done and done.
But, if you're just lookin for a gat. www.pbnation.com Then go to the Electronic markers B/S/T and find a gun.
I probably ball the most out of all the dp community and am more into the tournament scene than the dp community as well. Listen to me. :P
(http://i12.tinypic.com/35n2fj4.jpg)
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automag = garbage
Good day.
Your argument is very convincing.
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jiggy is ballin'
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Ya feel me jitspoe
PS, make my name JiGSaW plZ kThx
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WoT iS pAiNtBaLL?
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/ShaneDroz454/setup.jpg?t=1177379723)
LoL BaD QuaLiTy
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THiS iS pAiNtBaLL
LoL GooD QuaLiTy
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yeah that def looks teh coolest
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LOL, you actually paid for that? LOL
literally laughing out loud. Man, lmao. You play speedball with like a 45 year old gun.
You should have at least got a nice mag, like an xmag.
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Actually you're right. The automag was pretty ugly, so I splurged and got this sweet new prototype PM marker. I have special connections. I had to sell my good camera in order to afford it, though, so sorry about the quality. Man, this thing looks so awesome.
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Actually you're right. The automag was pretty ugly, so I splurged and got this sweet new prototype PM marker. I have special connections. I had to sell my good camera in order to afford it, though, so sorry about the quality. Man, this thing looks so awesome.
From the looks of it is a new H&K design, specially built for underwater carnage.
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Wise purchase Jit, I love the looks of the RT.
Plus the RT is very low maintenance. Don't forget to call automag and register the serial number too.
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It's weird that my gun looks nothing like that, eh jitspoe? It's okay. When you're running around with a brick, I'm running around with a light, fast, sleek gun.
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Actually, SkateR, your gun looks like a water pistol. Tippman custom 98 FTW (If you can find a brand new one after all these years)
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that looks nothing like a paintball gun, lol, looks like u just laid it on the ground and put a tank of co2 next to it
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Viciouz: lmao, you're clueless. Learn something. You go buy your 40 dollar tipman and compare performance.
Jitspoe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-OwVRD2SOE&mode=related&search=
Do that with your gun and I'll be impressed.
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40 dollar? When I said custom 98 I didn't mean the make of that name. I meant a heavily model 98 upgraded one from my nearby paintball store.
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Do that with your gun and I'll be impressed.
the licking part? :P
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Viciouz: lmao, you're clueless. Learn something. You go buy your 40 dollar tipman and compare performance.
Jitspoe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-OwVRD2SOE&mode=related&search=
Do that with your gun and I'll be impressed.
There is a HUGE difference in performance and unloading your hopper in 5 seconds. That does not impress a lot of people, including myself. That takes all of the fun out of rec ball.
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cue y00tz's grandpa:
"You guys have paintball guns eh? You kids are lucky, when I was your age we didn't have guns, just knives, and no paint, just ketchup. Yeah things were different back then..."
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(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/ShaneDroz454/protoidea.jpg?t=1177651139)
I just got photoshop today and I was messing around and came out with that. I'm thinking about sending it to www.gruntbull.com to get custom annodized either that color or black/green fade
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Nice brick.
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12 gm CO2 and 10 rounds sleeves FTW!
Gooooooo SPLATMASTER!!!!
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12 gm CO2 and 10 rounds sleeves FTW!
Gooooooo SPLATMASTER!!!!
I did an image search for splatmaster and found this: http://punishers-customs.com/gallery.html -- some crazy stuff on there.
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Nice brick.
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(http://66.235.160.130/pzallimages/JC132.jpg)
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id say that looks more similar to your gun than mine.
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(http://punishers-customs.com/tyrant1.JPG)
unfage :o :o :o
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(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m176/redsoxallstar25/DSC00227.jpg)
lolz new gun
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A 'friendly' suggestion:
Purchase said gun crank up FPS to lets say about 310. Go to a public event (anykind will do, its does not even need to be paintball related),load frozen balls, then aim it at anyone in general and fire as rapidly as you can. You will make friends in no time.
What is the primary purpose of your weapon to be soldier?
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usually i use a paintball gun to play paintball.
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don't lie.