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Title: life after death?
Post by: stacy on May 06, 2007, 12:58:15 PM
what do you think?
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: lekky on May 06, 2007, 01:06:01 PM
respawn ftw.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: bitmate on May 06, 2007, 01:36:07 PM
respawn ftw.
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Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: KnacK on May 06, 2007, 01:37:52 PM
/me tosses lekky a med kit
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 06, 2007, 01:53:48 PM
One life...no respawn...game over.

I feel there may be a higher power, a creator if you will, albeit not so much a divine figure.
Too many innocent people suffer and die for this biblical God to exist straight up. Also too many religions. They can't all be right.
Oh let's not go there.

We're either a lab creation (our god is a science geek!), or an accident.
And I believe there is an enormous amount of other life throughout the universe.

I also understand that humans can not fathom the thought of there being a simple end to one's life. It's hard to swallow. It's the deep thought of where we came from, where we're going, and a little bit of population control mixed in, that is the reason for the existence of religion.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: SkateR on May 06, 2007, 02:51:59 PM
I feel that when you pass away, you come back as just another human, but have no recollection of past life.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: TinMan on May 06, 2007, 03:16:40 PM
Chemical breakdown in your brain, an REM like hallucination that can take place in a split second and yet last an eternity played out to your mind.
Just my idea.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: lekky on May 06, 2007, 04:32:29 PM
ok to be serious.

I don't believe in life after death. We are just another example of science, and that is all. I have no qualms with people following a religion or a belief it that helps them to give meaning to their life and guide them because life really can be a female dog, and a little helping hand is good once in a while (I do have a problem with people who base certain actions on religion, but thats for another thread).

The way i think about life is that we are extremely lucky to be able to communicate, think, feel, cry, smile, love, learn, remember. We have a limited amount of time on Earth and we should try and live life to the full with the aim of maximising that smile on your face and on others.

When we die we die, lets try and spend the time we have before that happens having some fun :)
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: jitspoe on May 07, 2007, 01:38:00 PM
Of course there's life after death...




... it just may not be your own.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: b00nlander on May 07, 2007, 01:50:13 PM
After death, there will be worms...
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: Sharp on May 07, 2007, 05:36:38 PM
yes lekky we are extremely lucky to communicate, think, feel, cry, smile, love, learn, remember... ::)
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: m7feettall on May 08, 2007, 02:27:41 AM
I am a Christian who believes in life after death for those who trust Christ. I believe the wicked will be destroyed (not burn forever mind you, but pass away).

Here is a discussion of the biblical texts regarding hell that I drew up.

http://ankite.homestead.com/files/immortality.pdf%5C
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: SkateR on May 08, 2007, 03:36:47 AM
ARE YOU A GODS WARRIOR. DP IS UNGODLY
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: y00tz on May 08, 2007, 10:14:31 AM
Before anyone slams him, m7feettall is merely stating an opinion like everyone else, whether or not you think he's right, he has just as much as an argument as anyone else, considering none of us has died and knows for sure.

So you can give him crap about being 'ungodly' for playing DP or whatever, but it just shows how ignorant you are.

On forums where most people consider themselves 'intellectuals' religion-based arguments usually get written of as ignorant, by ironically, ignorant people.

On topic:
They say you can rest when you're dead... If there is an afterlife, there's no rest.  I'm kind of hoping it's like a deep sleep, for eternity.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: Playah on May 08, 2007, 11:18:50 AM
I'm kind of hoping it's like a deep sleep, for eternity.
...and if it's some kind of sleep, somethings/-ones gonna wake you somewhen?! =P
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 08, 2007, 12:04:32 PM
There may be a God.
There may be a heaven and a hell.
But religion, and more over, the politics of religion is complete crap.

There are many religions. ALL OF THEM CANNOT BE RIGHT.

Religion IS a means of controlling the destructive nature of man.
And man is drawn to religion because of his fear of the unknown, what happens after death, and his failure to be able to grasp that death could be the end, that existence could simply cease.

FACE IT...YOUR RELIGION IS ONE OF MANY AND STATISTICALLY IT IS PROBABLY THE WRONG ONE.
But if it helps you make it through life then you should stick to it. Just don't throw it up in my face.

Jehovah's Witness' are a CULT. And no JW will post here and argue because they are NOT ALLOWED TO or they will be disfellowshipped.
Disfellowship is the JW way of KILLING YOU. It says it in their bylaws. Under the JW cult they would kill you for breaking the rules, but since they legally can't they disfellowship you instead. THAT MEANS that if you were disfellowshipped and on fire, and a JW was next to you with a hose, THEY MUST ignore your existence and go on their way while you burn and die in your fire. WHAT A WONDERFUL GOD THOSE JAHOVA'S WITNESS' HAVE!

If you're a Jahova's Witness, and you are reading this, I PITY YOU. YOUR ARE A FOOL.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: Playah on May 08, 2007, 12:56:07 PM
Got that load of emotions out finally. :P
Learned something new/sad from it.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: y00tz on May 08, 2007, 01:04:03 PM
But if it helps you make it through life then you should stick to it. Just don't throw it up in my face.
If that's what you feel, and I agree with you, then stick with it... Don't call out and mock Jehovah's Witnesses... I say we should just let everyone be.  This is a country of free-religion, not free of religion.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: lekky on May 08, 2007, 02:56:16 PM
Yeah that post is kinda funny S8NSSON.

You just did what you're telling others not to do to you :/
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: jitspoe on May 08, 2007, 02:59:03 PM
Hmmm, just for the sake of argument...

2 + 2 = ?

There are many numbers. ALL OF THEM CANNOT BE RIGHT.

FACE IT...YOUR SOLUTION IS ONE OF MANY AND STATISTICALLY IT IS PROBABLY THE WRONG ONE.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 08, 2007, 03:48:26 PM
Having JWs come to my door IS shoving their religion in my face.
And they don't stop...they keep coming...forever. I stopped them from coming to a place I lived long ago, but I was a much more brutal person that I am today.
My wife also has a friend that is a JW, but not in the strictest sense, and the things that have happened to her are unbelievable.

JWs are not a religion, imho, they are a fanatic cult. I differentiate, if you don't don't good for you.

Jistpoe if everyone had a different number then that would be true.
2+2=4
if you hold anything else YOU ARE WRONG.
Many religions completely contradict other religions. Who's right? Your religion? Of course it is.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: SkateR on May 08, 2007, 04:14:29 PM
I THINK WE R MUMMIFIED AND CUM BAK 2 LIFE WHEN SUM1 CASTZ A SPELL
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: BLONDIE on May 08, 2007, 04:48:49 PM
We all go to HELL
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: lekky on May 08, 2007, 05:17:13 PM
Having JWs come to my door IS shoving their religion in my face.
And they don't stop...they keep coming...forever. I stopped them from coming to a place I lived long ago, but I was a much more brutal person that I am today.
My wife also has a friend that is a JW, but not in the strictest sense, and the things that have happened to her are unbelievable.

JWs are not a religion, imho, they are a fanatic cult. I differentiate, if you don't don't good for you.

Jistpoe if everyone had a different number then that would be true.
2+2=4
if you hold anything else YOU ARE WRONG.
Many religions completely contradict other religions. Who's right? Your religion? Of course it is.

Think he was trying to say you have as much chance to be wrong as anyone worshipping any other religion.
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Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: jitspoe on May 08, 2007, 07:57:32 PM
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Jistpoe if everyone had a different number then that would be true.
2+2=4
if you hold anything else YOU ARE WRONG.
Many religions completely contradict other religions. Who's right? Your religion? Of course it is.
But don't they?  You sound like many religions.  "If you don't believe this, YOU ARE WRONG."  But that's ok, because math is simple.  Math is absolute.  Math is the language of truth.  Or is it?  You say 2+2=4, but in doing so you made a lot of assumptions.  I never specified what base I was using, for example.  You assumed decimal, but if it were base 4, there is no such digit as "4".  In base 4, 2+2=10.  Now you're the one that's wrong.  How is that possible?  Lack of information, mostly.  You filled in some blanks and came to a conclusion.  One that you felt confident enough about to deem all other solutions incorrect.

I'm not really going anywhere with this -- just throwing out food for thought.  Something so simple can be right or wrong depending on the context, so don't be so quick to judge something that's far more complex.  And just because something has a large number of potential wrong solutions doesn't mean it's impossible to pick the right one.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 08, 2007, 08:34:45 PM
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I'm not really going anywhere with this
No, you're trying to be a smart ass. But that's ok, you are who you are.
I knew darn well posting 2+2=4, that you would come back and say something to the contrary.
So, considering your comments, I say again, no matter what "base" you care to slip in, if everyone had a different number for 2+2 there would still only be one right answer.

I do have the same chance of being wrong as every other person. After all, no matter what I believe, or disbelieve, I still hold my number against the equation.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: loial21 on May 08, 2007, 08:39:58 PM
Define after death.  Most religions incorporate a sense of 'being aware of existence' after the physical body dies into 'life after death'. Misnamed idiom. Think, What is to be alive if not conscience?

To all,
Hate them hate them
Live your farce
Same thing, same way
Your karma will come

Ask me no questions
I tell no lies
Ask me again
I spit in your eyes

Live your life
Leave me alone !!!

Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: jitspoe on May 08, 2007, 09:14:57 PM
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No, you're trying to be a smart ass.
Negative.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: Eiii on May 09, 2007, 02:33:38 AM
So, considering your comments, I say again, no matter what "base" you care to slip in, if everyone had a different number for 2+2 there would still only be one right answer.

1: I agree with jits' metaphor-y thing.
2: So... you're saying that you believe that there's one 'correct' religion or belief? Please share.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 09, 2007, 07:55:15 AM
Are you serious eieio, really?
Is that what you and Jitspoe got out of all that?

eieio's #1:
You believe in Jit's metaphor-y thing? What does that even mean. Did you not read my reply? Is there not only ONE answer to 2+2, no matter what smart ass base you try to stick in there? Only one. That's right, hold out your fingers and count along with me, ONE... You quote my reply as if to demonstrate a proven fallacy before stating your agreement with Jits. Prove it wrong Mr. Argument for the sake of argument. Come on, prove to me that 2+2 in a single base is anything other than one number without resorting to the Jitspoe dog and pony show that he used for no other reason than to attempt to show DP he can be witty and make a funny.

eieio's #2:
How about there is only one 'correct' result of dying. If there is only one result of dying then only one belief in the resulting afterlife can be true. Wow i'm dealing with grade school kids riding the short bus.

Argument for the sake of argument, and no other reason, you got to love it.

Look, just face the fact that I'm right. You prove to me, or anyone, that you know exactly what happens after death, or which religion, if any, is the 'correct' one as eieio so boldly put it, and you will be a god amongst men, I can assure you (don't care for your "i don't want to be a god amongst men" smart ass reply either).

The answer is, we don't know, and will probably never know, and humans can't handle that, and you guys are proving that.
I expected better of a smart type guy like you, Jits. Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: y00tz on May 09, 2007, 08:17:18 AM
S8NSSON: What were saying is that I can say exactly what you said, about religion or belief x, y, or z and it's still true.

Jehovah's Witnesses?:
Look, just face the fact that I'm right. You prove to me, or anyone, that you know exactly what happens after death.

Mormons?:
Look, just face the fact that I'm right. You prove to me, or anyone, that you know exactly what happens after death.

Heck I believe in re-incarnation!:
Look, just face the fact that I'm right. You prove to me, or anyone, that you know exactly what happens after death.

"Open-minded" people who believe in no religion or afterlife can be just ARE just as ignorant as those who do... Simply because we do not know.

Jitspoe used a good example, 2+2 = ?
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: jitspoe on May 09, 2007, 01:26:50 PM
S8N: I think you missed the point completely.  I'll try to spell it out a little better.

Category 1:
2 + 2 = 4

Category 2:
2 + 2 = 10

Category 3:
2 + 2 = 22

Category 4:
2 + 2 = 0

Category 5:
2 + 2 = 5

Category 6:
2 + 2 = 2

Category 7:
2 + 2 = "I don't know for sure, but I'm trying to figure it out."

Category 8:
2 + 2 = "I pity you, other categories.  You are fools!  There are so many other categories out there.  They can't all be right!  Face it, yours is statistically the wrong one.  Don't go shoving that 2 + 2 = some number crap in my face."

Review your previous posts and tell me which category you are.  (hint: it's not 1-6).
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 09, 2007, 04:55:59 PM
No Jitspoe, the point I make is no one knows. No one can know. And until the day of death comes, no one will know.
You just chose to use your little base trickery to try to throw a curve ball, and all your worshipers follow.

The answer to live after death is 2+2 in a definite base that no one knows. A world full of people hold what they believe to be the answer, but cannot know for sure what the answer is.

You argue because you are smart, but that does not make you wise, for which you have proven deeply that you are definitely not.
The answer is, there is no answer. What makes you feel good through life is your answer, right or wrong.

And Jehovah's Witnesses can kiss my ass. You have no idea.

Do I contradict myself?
Maybe you don't know who I am for all these years.

Don't enter religious discussion with mathematics and science. It makes you look like an absolute moron, Jitspoe. Sure your band of worshipers think you're mister cool with the snappy 4.0 answers, but you just made them dumber as well.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: y00tz on May 09, 2007, 07:12:07 PM
Yeah Jitspoe, you're the one looking like a absolute moron here. ;)

Quote from: S8NSSON but actually Jitspoe
No Jitspoe, the point I make is no one knows. No one can know. And until the day of death comes, no one will know.

An echo?

On a serious note: S8NSSON this isn't a discussion of religion, it's a matter of life after death. Maybe everyone goes to heaven, maybe we all go to a big livewell where we swim with neon fish.  Religion isn't life after death, heck I don't even think the Jews in my family believe in life after death.

About the 2+2... Unfortunately you don't understand it, hence you have to attack Jitspoe on a personal level.

Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: jitspoe on May 09, 2007, 07:48:29 PM
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Don't enter religious discussion with mathematics and science. It makes you look like an absolute moron, Jitspoe.
...

Wow.

So religion is just supposed to be completely void of logic?  I guess I'm done here, then.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 09, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
Yes religion is void of logic. You don't know this?
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: Sharp on May 11, 2007, 10:53:09 AM
Man God ftw!
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: kNoC on May 11, 2007, 12:05:44 PM
the Christian Crusaders are gonna come back ;(
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: Eiii on May 11, 2007, 09:55:33 PM
eieio's #1:
You believe in Jit's metaphor-y thing? What does that even mean. Did you not read my reply? Is there not only ONE answer to 2+2, no matter what smart ass base you try to stick in there? Only one. That's right, hold out your fingers and count along with me, ONE... You quote my reply as if to demonstrate a proven fallacy before stating your agreement with Jits. Prove it wrong Mr. Argument for the sake of argument. Come on, prove to me that 2+2 in a single base is anything other than one number without resorting to the Jitspoe dog and pony show that he used for no other reason than to attempt to show DP he can be witty and make a funny.
Oh, so you're an elitist excretory opening? Point taken.

Look, just face the fact that I'm right.
Oh, so you're an egotistical elitist excretory opening. Now I really see the meat of your argument.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: JOE on May 12, 2007, 01:46:27 AM
there is no god. we evolved. we have always been. we die. period.
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: S8NSSON on May 12, 2007, 09:57:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAaAMI&mode=related&search=
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: pbmax on May 14, 2007, 12:33:56 PM
"Life after death" is not the way I would word it. "Life after death" is when your heart stops and the medics revive you.  You know "CLEAR!" "ThWhump"  "Gasp!"

So we need to more clearly define "death."  What criteria do we use for this? Vital signs? (heart beat, breath etc) Brain or nervous system activity? Body temp?  Clearly, medical science has proven that life can, indeed, exist after a brief period of death.  So when does "Death" truly take hold.

Then we need to decide what "Life after" means.  If we use "complete absence of life" as a working definition of "death" there can be none of the one after the other.  If you take an energetic stance, a "soul" if you will, this is harder to prove or even observe.  What about memories? Do these get included in our definition of "life?"

Two of my sources of spiritual inspiration come from works of fiction. The Celestine Prophecy and a quote from comedian Bill Hicks
Quote from: Bill Hicks
Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing ourselves subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is merely a dream and we're an imagination of ourselves

And so my thoughts are: the people we meet in life are part of our existence. Our spiritual energies will meet again in other lives, in other levels of existence, closer to that-thing-called-god.
pb
Title: Re: life after death?
Post by: JOE on May 14, 2007, 03:56:10 PM
that was deep man [ + ] for you