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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: ViciouZ on May 21, 2007, 11:07:39 AM
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Well, decided this game would probably be more popular if it had a promo video so people could watch it before they download the game. I thought I'd take it up as my project in ICT. Anyway, this is going to need a decent amount of film. So I've planned a couple of filming times.
- Friday 25th, 20:00 - 23:00 GMT
- Saturday 26th, 16:00 - 18:00 GMT
- Sunday 27th, 12:00 - 14:00 GMT
These times should let some US players get in there too. I hate timezones.
So, if you know you or your clan could be there for filming, please post here.
Those who are taking part, please connect to #dppromo on GGC fifteen minutes before the event.
Also, something I overlooked... looking for a server to do this on. Wouldn't like to cram everyone in a pub and have to use the maps on rotation.
Thanks,
Steve
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Sounds like a great idea! How are you planning on filming it? Fraps? And if you need any help I'll be glad to help.
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I have fraps registered edition, cost a lot but who cares. Anyway, I should be fine, I just need to clear some hard disk space. ( a lot )
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I'm going to try my hardest to participate ;D
I had my own 'promo' video that I'll post here soon that I'm sure you guys will love :)
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What would be the best time out of those for US players?
It would be the first wouldn't it?
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That's the afternoon so yeah, the others are early morning.
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During nightz for me... But I'll be there.
You're getting used to play at 3am (e.g. PBCup) after playing with you guys for about 3 yrs now.
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why you want them to be online at those times, clans who want to participate can make their own time and then send u the demo. Or is it easier for you that way like you told?
Anyway, love the idea vic, make us proud.
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On: Bitmate are you in Germany?
Off: Blaa that's the first time I've ever seen someone post at 12:00:00 pm (my time) exactly, wow.
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On: Bitmate are you in Germany?
Yep.
Off: Blaa that's the first time I've ever seen someone post at 12:00:00 pm (my time) exactly, wow.
Exactly 19:00:00 for me :P
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Well blaa, if i get demos, I have to view it from the people's eyesight, with the models, where as camming it live means i get a clean shot.
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Well blaa, if i get demos, I have to view it from the people's eyesight, with the models, where as camming it live means i get a clean shot.
What do you mean by "with the models"?
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Haha, just realised how that sounds. I mean, when you watch a demo through the first person view and see their model all over the place.
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Haha, just realised how that sounds. I mean, when you watch a demo through the first person view and see their model all over the place.
You just see the gun, if enabled. What you mean is chase-camming someone in first-person view, but that is something completely different ;) .
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Well blaa, if i get demos, I have to view it from the people's eyesight, with the models, where as camming it live means i get a clean shot.
What do you mean by "with the models"?
Momentarily I thought he was ditching the promo video in favor of a porno video.. then I realized what he meant by models.
Vic: What do you have planned for the video?
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Oh yeah, thanks, just remembered that. Anyway, I think we should have a live filming, because the more people there are the better it will be. If it was just clan matches, then we'd just have people demoing themselves camp in a hole for 15 minutes.
@y00tz: First some shots of the map, then aerial overhead view as the battle commences. Then switches to first and third person shots. Map changes with the music. Anyway, the maps need to be decided upon first. Large, open ones, that don't have flat walls and actually look good.
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Anyway, the maps need to be decided upon first. Large, open ones, that don't have flat walls and actually look good.
antioch possibly.
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Lollipop trees?!??!?!
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Basically any DT / S8N map...
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What do you think:
fastbreak_b3
castle1
carpathian
pbcup_renoir
cancan (?)
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Make sure you have lots of hi-res textures, for anyone that is camming.
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how many filmers are you going to use?
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As many as have a decent capture program and have some method of sending CONVERTED clips. I don't want to have to go through 40 demos, camming, clipping, recamming, converting to better format, uploading to FTP and downloading at school all by myself.
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You might get in touch with S8N. He's into capturing and all stuff like that :P
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anubis
dome_b1
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carpathian
Don't show the orgy though. :D
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I think we need to get some Propaint1 in there, and some pbcup_sassult and pbcup_renoir and perfugio.
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and some pbcup_sassult and pbcup_renoir
I think any, if not all, of the pbcup maps will be great.
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clan darkness would help u at pbcup_renoir :)
just pm me in mIRC
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Maybe make a couple videos which can be different from each other but don't have to. Would make it more interesting for the viewers...
What about adding pp1 and pp2 to it? The speedway/ice-bd-jump in pp1 would look really good and pp2 looks good anyhow. The 2 maps that just came into my mind, gonna think about others...
EDIT: routez with its bridges and its treasure =D
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Eroutez with its bridges and its treasure =D
You mean draw I am sure. Routez isnt the one with bridges and hidden treasures. Though, routez looks good anyway.
Besides good looking out door maps (pbcup_maps) you could show some indoor maps aswell - routez, sphouse. And, I think speed server would look pretty good on video (give atleast few seconds to it) thanks to its good map choice - tlc, anubis and some other.
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That's just what i ment, draw. you're right.
badlands2test FTW!!!!!!!
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Eroutez with its bridges and its treasure =D
You mean draw I am sure. Routez isnt the one with bridges and hidden treasures. Though, routez looks good anyway.
Besides good looking out door maps (pbcup_maps) you could show some indoor maps aswell - routez, sphouse. And, I think speed server would look pretty good on video (give atleast few seconds to it) thanks to its good map choice - tlc, anubis and some other.
I thought it would be hard to fit 20-odd (with a bit of luck) people into an indoor map, unless it's pb2dm1.
What I'm hoping for is everyone to join in, not like a clan match, but like a pub game without all the irritating teamkillers, n00bs and greifers.
However, I think propaint is going in there, and so is anubis, and pbcup_renoir.
edit:
I need some definite yes and no's as to who is going to attend, so I can build a list.
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I may be able to get there. Try and message me on IRC if you could or i can get on the IRC chan. you gave out.
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I need some definite yes and no's as to who is going to attend, so I can build a list.
Put me down for the Friday and Saturday ones. I'm not sure if I can make it, but I'll try.
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I don't understand why the great effort into getting people together.
You could enter a pub, cam in obs with your hud removed, and get loads of footage.
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Because if I go in a pub, the watchers will see a load of people running around on the floor, then stop dead and shoot at somebody while standing still. Doesn't sound that impressive to me.
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Best action footage is a a once path map with good players playing it. If you want fps action shots.
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yes.=P
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If you went into a server, went obs, and recorded tons of demo footage you would have plenty of good material to piece together for a promo video. It would all be in small demo files from which you could pick out three second clips to put together.
If you don't know, I read somewhere on a movie making site a while back that the average length of a continuous clip should be no more than three seconds unless you are working a specific shot or slow motion clip.
It's all about your creativity and choice of shots. I could go into a server with 100% 2 week playing nubs and record the action and piece out enough clips to make a good promo, short of catching fancy jumps which shouldn't be too highly focused on in a promo anyways.
Creativity and emotion. A promo should draw your audience in. In DP the look of the game is not going to do that very well so you have to depend on creativity and emotion. Play off your soundtrack. Don't just select a soundtrack and run a string of clips together. The emotion of you clips should match the emotion of your music. So selecting a music that varies in emotion is crucial also. You don't want to use something that is hammering from beginning to end, or something that is elevator music either.
Here's an example of my layout. Most of this is for the PBCup promo video that I have yet to do. I have sort of modified it a bit adlib style for this thread.
First download this song: http://lords8n.zilla-clan.net/music/hardnbizzy/Vivaldi_Winter_Concerto.mp3
This example is completely built around the music. The music dictates the mood. You are pretty much forced to the mercy of your music unless you are talented enough to create your own music built around a planned clip sequencing.
This is the Vivaldi Winter Concerto. It starts off very slow and continually builds in energy until it is absolutely ripping your face off with energetic violin.
The story board goes as follows (play the tune along with it and you can get the idea of its movement):
00:00 - 00:38: Logo fades in followed by various information about the event showing in succession in tempo with the music. This is intermixed with still action shots in-game. Towards the end the screen fades to a still shot of a section of a map where you would normally see heavy positional fighting. This shot has no players in it, just the area of the map fading to the same area from different angles.
00:39 - 01:00 Following off of the area shots from the end of the previous time slice we switch to the exact same style of shot switching on that same area, only in these shots, during this up tempo music, there are people in the still shots engaged in fierce battle. These can be still shots, or a form of circular panning shot around the area. With each cycle of soft to up beat, of which there are only a few, a different map area of a different map would be used.
01:01 -01:15 This time slice falls off of the last up temp section into another slow section that continually builds for 14 seconds. During this time slice we will show more of the area action stills, but in a succession of closer zooming in on players till we are zoomed up right in the face of a character in a dramatic building climax.
01:16 - 01:27 High energy section of non-specific action sequences. These clips are general in-game fighting in relatively large area not focusing on any individuals. Maybe some multi player DM clips of total carnage.
01:28 - 01:50 Intense violin section. More in game action shots. Only now we switch to focusing on very specific sequences. A particular burst through a defensive line. A person on rampage eliminating multiple enemies. An amazing flag grab or cap. Anything that appears to be an amazing play.
01:51 - 02:09 A fall off in energy at this section with some of the same style action shots, but freeze framing the action at a significant point in sync with the music fluctuations. For instance, A person has the flag and is making a run for base only to come around a corner and be ambushed, freeze framing on the exact moment a paint ball hits him.
02:10 - 03:06 The music enters an approximate one minute lull. During this section we will show some other aspects of the game mixed in with various information texts. Some of the stuff we can show here are dropping and picking up a gun. dropping a flag as a team member picks it up. Anything about the game which is critical, but not necessarily action based. The key being to display textual information while showing some of the lesser exciting portions of the game itself.
03:07 - 03:30~ The Grand Finale. This will contain the most hardcore action shots of all. The most amazing stuff will be saved for this section. This section fades out to silence and should be created with a dramatic fade ending.
So there it is.
I think, however you approach it, you should first storyboard your project as I have done above. Doing so, and posting it for others to view, will let everyone know what your intent is, get you valuable critique before you put in a lot of hard work, and give your actors (if you use them for specific clips) an idea of what you are after.
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This is intermixed with still action shots in-game. Towards the end the screen fades to a still shot of a section of a map where you would normally see heavy positional fighting. This shot has no players in it, just the area of the map fading to the same area from different angles.
Hmm, I think it'd look great to have these shots in black in white, you know, desaturated so that they look kind of cold and empty, making the latter shots look impressive in contrast.
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/me thinks the official DP theme song should be used....
/me looks @ keith - "Post a link to it!"
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I like the desaturation idea. You can even get fancy and do partial masked desaturations, or anything else dramatic and creative.
I think I have the tune at home. I know someone has it, and it's up on like MP3.com for free or something.
Here's the best vid i've ever done, I think: <removed>
it's 25 meg right click save as
it's Blitz VS BoB mostly Blitz kills.
Also, if you have the time grab this too. It's one kill by Blitz vs Envy. Most amazing DP play ever. You will laugh.
<removed> 18 megs, but worth it!
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S8N: What crosshair is he using, and why are their balls so much brighter and easier to see?
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That is my crosshair, and the balls are modified larger and brighter in order to see them better.
This is all done on my work PC, which is not able to connect to anything outside my firewall.
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That crosshair is actually included in build 18 now.
I don't want to encourage using modified content for the purpose of improved visibility, though, so I killed the links.
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Lets record some matrix shots, and do slow-mo. Well i check ed the time and its at 3:00pm for me and im not home till about 3:30, think i still can get it?
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OK, two VERY urgent messages. Firstly the times for tonight:
- BST (anybody in britain) 21:00 - 00:00
- CEST (anyone france, germany etc) 22:00 - 01:00
- EST (US East coast) 15:00 - 18:00
Also, a plee to server owners in the US. Since Snipen offered me a GT but has not responded to replies, I'm looking for a server for these times TONIGHT with a login. I would also ask for another at the same time tomorrow as I going to change filming times to allow for more US players to attend. This isn't going to just be like a pub game, think of it as a chance to play on the same teams as more skilled players or those you've only played against. I hope some 20ID members will attend, that will make things interesting, if they put their money where their mouth is (and aren't a bunch of pathetic wankers).
See you all there!
WE NEED A SERVER! URGENT SERVER REQUESTNESS!
EDIT: Don't forget to idle #dppromo!
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if they put their money where their mouth is (and aren't a bunch of pathetic wankers)
What on earth does that mean?
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Well, last time I ever tried anything like this (which i have) all dt and crew do is moan, hurl insults then kick me from #20id. If they would just prove their record is there for a reason....
I admit i did term that in somewhat rough language.
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You might want to give some feedback on the actors ;D
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So who showed up? Some finnish kids or what? I bet it's going to be great! :D :D :D
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Please stop liberally drizzling spite over everything. You're just what I thought would come along. Somebody who thinks everything is bullexcrement but can't be arsed to do anything about it. This is not 20ID but you SkateR. You're the pathetic joke of a person who just loves to mock everybody else.
Now, back to the topic:
People who turned up:
Magalhaes
VeCToR
y00tz
Pureblood
PixelKiller
T3RR0R1ST
Olbaid (for a bit)
Gamabunta
User temp-banned for this post.
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Skater wanted to come but we didnt let him thats why hes angry hehe ;D
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Oh boy, viciouz. Quite hilarious. I'm sorry a promo video of kids who have been playing for 2 months and can't double jump without a script isn't great publicity. I'm criticizing your video champ, I'm not picking on it. It's the truth, I'm sorry. You obviously can't handle it or you wouldn't get all upset over me saying so. Where did I ever say this idea excrement? Get your facts straight, kid. Notice everyone on that list, pureblood is like the biggest vet on there and he hardly plays. Who in the world is pixie killer? Gamabunta? I've never heard of half of those people. You should have made sure some decent people were going to show up.
Magalehaheahshez: I didn't want to come, actually.
User temp-banned for this post.
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This is the point: I try to make decent people like you come, BUT YOU LAUGH IN MY FACE. Such is the point of my previous post.
Anyway, this is showing off the game, not the player's abilities.
[18:20] <skater> <pC^ViciouZ^byop> xtremebain xbain xb dirtytaco dt s8n lords8n s8nsson smoke bob blitz bub digi (oh and skater)
[18:20] <skater> <pC^ViciouZ^byop> you going to come film later? beat everyone else
[18:20] <skater> rofl
[18:20] <skater> youre going to like film bix and excrement
[18:20] <skater> make this game look horrible
[18:20] <skater> dont even film anyone
[18:20] <skater> cause everyone sucks
[18:24] <pC^ViciouZ^byop> ok then skater. you _used_ to boast about skill
[18:24] <pC^ViciouZ^byop> come and show that skill on everyone whos horrible
[18:24] <pC^ViciouZ^byop> and anyway
[18:24] <skater> no
[18:24] <dohgoh> / mp3 / -- 13-Styles P Ft. Bully-Leave Me Alone-RGF.mp3 -- size ›› 2.92mb
[18:24] <skater> ill come in with zgh
[18:24] <skater> and wallhack everyone
[18:24] <pC^ViciouZ^byop> kk
[18:24] <pC^ViciouZ^byop> i'll get the snazbotcam ready
[18:25] <skater> im serious
[18:25] <skater> you cam me the entire time
[18:25] <skater> and ill come in and wallhack
[18:25] <skater> put that in your promo vid
[18:25] <skater> member of a socially disadvantaged class
So who showed up? Some finnish kids or what? I bet it's going to be great! :D :D :D
You obviously knew it was on. You suspected some new players were going to play, you thought that that would be bad, but you couldn't be bothered to turn up, show some skill, or even try and get anyone else to.
Point proven?
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What point are you trying to prove? Are you trying to show that I didn't want to play? In that case, you're right. I could have told you that, lmao. Instead you wasted time copy/pasting logs to try and make yourself look good. Either way, look who showed up and look what I said on irc. Pretty sure I was correct.
You said you wanted skilled players, yet you just say it's not to show off the skill of players. What are you trying to show, if you want to show how the game is then record a demo of you moving in maps and excrement and fraps it.
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Skater, i think he is just showing how unsupportive you are of his ideas to help the community. He obviously cares about it enough to spend his time helping the community grow. Where as you are pretty much the opposite, not content with rejecting new ideas, you then go on to ridicule them.
Not sure whats wrong with you tbh, maybe some sort of inferiority complex. A "two-week newbie" getting more attention than you, ouch :/
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Hey I will come where is the one today I'm not the best but I'll try to give you some competition by the way I can't go to the IRC thing can I go to the match still (my computer with IRC is broken).
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Lekky: Show me one example where I said this is a bad idea or where I have said anything good for the community is a bad idea. Please. He cares so much!!!!!! He is such a great member of this community!!!! YAY HE MADE A FRAPS MOVIE OF SOME DEMOS :D:D:D:D:D. Woohoo, go youtube digital paintball and you'll find other newbie that did too. If I were craving for attention I'd make stuff like this too, but I honestly do not care what you or anything else thinks about me. I hate to break it to you lekky. I've never once rejected a good idea. Are you upset cause I said moving to quakenet is stupid?
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You should have made sure some decent people were going to show up.
I did. 20ID and you.
Either way, look who showed up and look what I said on irc. Pretty sure I was correct.
Only because you point blank refused to come as in the logs.
Basically what I'm saying is a that you're a hypocrit.
I've never once rejected a good idea. Are you upset cause I said moving to quakenet is stupid?
Those two sentences contradict themselves.
Plus, If I was seeking attention, you'd think I'D be the one in the videos, stupid donkey. I would have just cammed in a pub instead of taking time to set this up.
Now, lets end this flamewar.
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Who's flaming? You just called me a stupid donkey, I think that deserves a temp-ban if you ask me. But who am I to say that. Go back to the living room and watch your saturday morning cartoons.
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Seeing as in fact the last comment wasn't in any way offensive, lets just let it lie.
I would also ask for another at the same time tomorrow as I going to change filming times to allow for more US players to attend.
Reverted, going to hopefully use ch1ll server at 4PM to 6PM BST today.
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ViciouZ: What time did everything start again? I got on the server about 30 minutes after you bumped this topic, and no one was there. So I was just idling on Carpathian for a while.
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Unlucky, it sounds like you were there just after we switched servers due to lag and obsblackout. Get on MSN.
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im so retarded that im not even sure that we should only have skilled players on that video...
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Sorry it came to this, but I'm going to have to give ViciouZ and SkateR a little vacation for that flame fest.