Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on June 18, 2007, 01:25:18 PM
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Warhead proposed this idea to me this weekend: an option to pay a real money to get a ban lifted or reduced. It would probably be something like $0.50 USD/day. I figured I'd open this idea up to the community for discussion.
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Sounds like a good easy way to keep the EV1 servers up to me
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Well me personally would stay banned if i had a choice to wait a few days or pay money. But it would be a good way to bring in money for the game.
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i think this would be good for some ppl due to he fact they could jus payoff come back and hack again but yet again who would want 2 pay for a ban i could see if u were paying off for sumthing like modified but not hacking bans idk though i think it depends on the scenario
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Well, if they paid off the ban then came back and cheated again, the ban time would double (and so would the fee).
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I don't like it. For those who have well paying jobs they have no reason not to hack. It puts the young kids who play the game on an uneven keel with those guys. Also consider how many evade their bans. This would lead to some people paying to play again, whilst others now not only laugh at the fair members of the community, they also laugh in the faces of those who pay to play again.
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Nice idea but everyone changes their ip these days so you wouldnt get a lot of money...
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Nice idea but everyone changes their ip these days so you wouldnt get a lot of money...
*KiLo thinks of Global Login Based Bans
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I like this idea allot better than the other one you had. Or rather, your co-workers had.
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sounds good to me
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Nice idea but everyone changes their ip these days so you wouldnt get a lot of money...
*KiLo thinks of Global Login Based Bans
/me thinks of how many accounts can be created
2?
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Perhaps it could be set up so you can only buy off so many days, or have a minimum ban length (like 8 days) that has to be served so people don't take the, "I'll just cheat then buy off my ban and play again tomorrow" mentality.
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jack up the price, you dont have to be fair to cheaters
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yeah i agree with nightryder haha
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I'll pay you to not go through with this idea..
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Olbaid and P!nk are probably those with˝well payed jobs˝...
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It's a good idea, i'd vote for it.
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Sounds good to me, it could bring in some money for DP.
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sounds good, would give money to have more DPcon's too :P
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Olbaid and P!nk are probably those with˝well payed jobs˝...
olbaid doesnt have a job. lmao. this is a good idea. go with it.
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Cant hurt trying but in 1 year you will get like 0 USD.
But yeah go for it.
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:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD I LOVE THE IDEA TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I like it some what but dont another way.. anyone can cheat and pay i would never pay myself but i wont cheat after what happened 3 years ago.
Cheaters should stay banned. There fault they cheated..
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How about cheaters that hack 3 times get perma banned. And if they ever want to play again they would have to pay.
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Here is a question for jitspoe and everyone else: would you let Zaltekk off the hook if he paid you an excess of 2000 dollars?
I know it's a perm ban, but would you?, cuz 2000 dollars is a lot (to me it is).
Also, I agree with the minimum ban length, a week or two is good.
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no, i don't think perm bans should be allowed to be payed off, since obviously those kind of people have committed some sort of unforgivable sin.
btw, pink, what is the Steam system of punishing cheaters??
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They ban your Steam account, and you need to buy another game to play.
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I like it some what but dont another way.. anyone can cheat and pay i would never pay myself but i wont cheat after what happened 3 years ago.
Cheaters should stay banned. There fault they cheated..
Well yes i do agree with you clipz. But hey look on the bright side, the hackers who pay are actually paying for the game, so people are paying for the game. Which helps jits run this game for us. LoLOLOlolOL im baked... ;D
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Yay you hear that rich people?? Forget talent..
Jitspoe is probably going to reach forbes!
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No offense but....this is a terrible idea. Isn't that getting away from what made this game so great? The fact that you could play for free and enjoy it? I dno, just seems immoral to me. lmao.
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No offense but....this is a terrible idea. Isn't that getting away from what made this game so great? The fact that you could play for free and enjoy it? I dno, just seems immoral to me. lmao.
you don't have to pay for it unless you break the rules.
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Immoral? And how do you feel about cheating?
Also, just because the game is free it doesn't mean that you can just hack without repercussions.
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no, you could still play for free and enjoy it, thus the game will continue to be great.
but even as it is now, you can't cheat or hack and still expect to play for free ... or to play at all. banning such users is an attempt to keep the game great. if the paying idea were to encourage someone to cheat, and they kept doing it enough, they'd get perm-banned with no payoff possibility.
thus the game stays great.
e.g. the legit ones get to experience "play for free and enjoy it". the hax0rs get to experience the wrath of jitspoe. so as long as you're legit, you've got nothing to worry about.
EDIT: exactly, wade. and ya gotta have rules.
edit again: cobo, i'm thinking you meant "...game is free it doesn't mean..."
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Woops, yeah. Fixed.
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No offense but....this is a terrible idea. Isn't that getting away from what made this game so great? The fact that you could play for free and enjoy it? I dno, just seems immoral to me. lmao.
No offense but....did you read the thread at all?
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I don't think it will work. Most people that hack know they're probably getting banned in the coming days, and do so cause they are more into another game, or just don't care about playing this anymore. The only way I could see it working is if there are cheats that are undetected that you end up catching on one build, and get people that actually want to play the game, and thought they were getting away with their hacking. It's obviously something you can put in place and people wouldn't mind, I just wouldn't expect too much money to come from it, if any at all.
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the money is just a beneficial side-effect. jits wouldn't be able to count on getting anything from bans ... but if/when someone does pay, well all the better.
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I think the fact that a hacker suggested this idea says it all.
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how can this hurt the game? It can only bring in money. Why not try it... its not going to hurt.
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how can this hurt the game? It can only bring in money. Why not try it... its not going to hurt.
I agree completely.
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how can this hurt the game? It can only bring in money. Why not try it... its not going to hurt.
Go for it jitspoe get money from IJ and THC
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I AGREE TOO!!! ;D
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I can't somehow agree with this idea but you should watch out that people can't say "Oh well, dad, they forced me to pay" if you are going to do this. Otherwise you'll get many problems.
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If i were jitspoe i would of charged money for a global login name even 5 bucks a player... i think ive seen registered user number 5000? thats $25000.. then again who knows how many people would still register. I dont think paying to cheat it too cool though. How about they serve there time then to activate there accounts again its money? I bet that will keep some people from cheating.
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No offense but....this is a terrible idea. Isn't that getting away from what made this game so great? The fact that you could play for free and enjoy it? ...
that applies very well to what you just said.
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No offense but....this is a terrible idea. Isn't that getting away from what made this game so great? The fact that you could play for free and enjoy it? ...
that applies very well to what you just said.
wut
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I like this idea allot better than the other one you had. Or rather, your co-workers had.
Haha, I remember that.
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fyre, that was aimed at clipz. what you said before didn't make much sense, but it applied very well to clipz's post.
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i agree, this sounds like a good way to keep the servers up longer.
but $0.50 USD/day is a little low, maybe $1.00 USD/day to make it a little more costly to show the person next time dont get banned for dont cheat, period.
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Don't know if this was mentioned or not but if a person pays there ban off and then hacks again double the amount.
Using Termin8or's figures:
$1.00 - First Time
$2.00 - Second Time
Third Time - $4.00 or Global Ban but if they want to continue to pay then let them hack and pay more money.
Next would be $8.00 and then so on and so forth.
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What about this way:
First time you get caught: 32 + the possibility to pay off the ban time ; 0,5 $ for each day.
Second time you get caught:64 + the possibility to pay off the ban time ; 1 $ for each day.
Third time you get caught: Perm ban / the possibility to pay off the ban;If you don't pay,you'll never play again.If you want to go on playing pb then pay 20 - 30 $
Well,nobody would ever pay so much for dp.Especially the fine for the third time is high but that's the best way to keep cheaters away from this game.
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What about this way:
First time you get caught: 32 + the possibility to pay off the ban time ; 1 $ for each day.
So the price of a 4-month old commercial game ($30), in exchange for a free game with a community that will exile me?
Too much.
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I like the idea it would bring in money for the community but I wouldn't let perm bans be paid off.
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sure, i wouldn't either. kinda takes the permanent out of permanent, doesn't it?
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It sounds like iJ will need more jobs! ROFLCAKEZ
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I think the original prices are just fine, anything higher gets to be unreasonably high, especially with DP's main age group.
Agreed.
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Don't know if this was mentioned or not but if a person pays there ban off and then hacks again double the amount.
Using Termin8or's figures:
$1.00 - First Time
$2.00 - Second Time
Third Time - $4.00 or Global Ban but if they want to continue to pay then let them hack and pay more money.
Next would be $8.00 and then so on and so forth.
The ban time doubles with each offense, so the price effectively would, too.
Sounds like most people think it's a reasonable idea, so I'll go ahead and go through with it.
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Sounds like most people think it's a reasonable idea, so I'll go ahead and go through with it.
Sure, can't hurt :D
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Yay go Jitspoe!!!!!!!!!
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so when does this go in effect?
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It is in effect.
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why do you care, you have .1 days left on your ban
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By the way, how are people supposed to give you the money, PAYPAL?
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What would be the point of getting money? This is a free game, and what would DP use the money for?
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What would be the point of getting money? This is a free game, and what would DP use the money for?
Read the thread...seems there were more people liking the idea then the ones who disliked it so...
It is in effect.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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Yeah, just becuase people like them doesn't answer the question =D
What would be the point of getting money? This is a free game, and what would DP use the money for?
Read the thread...seems there were more people liking the idea then the ones who disliked it so...
It is in effect.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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it amused me.
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You were trying to give a reason why it isn't good idea...but the discussion ended some days ago and again there were more people liking it then disliking it so...
it amused me.
whatever.
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Web/Game servers dont grow on trees. They come out of Jitspoe's pocket.
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Warhead proposed this idea to me this weekend: an option to pay a real money to get a ban lifted or reduced. It would probably be something like $0.50 USD/day. I figured I'd open this idea up to the community for discussion.
This is NOT a good idea, at least in my opinion. They need to be banned just like the rest of them to learn their lesson. I thought dp was a profit-free game. I know you guys deserve profit for all you've put into this game, but they deserve what you do to them.
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By "you guys" you mean Jitspoe, and profit-free? I don't remember that being anywhere, besides, there is no profit, it's all debt right now.... Money for servers, money to buy dev tools, money for hosting, money for everything.
I think we need this to make money just to support the influx the GLS is bound to see as this game gets bigger.
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Yeah, I'm not saying that you guys shouldn't make money, because you should. But being banned should is a punishment, and if they can buy their way out of it for chicken-feed price (it would cost you way more to play 5 minutes at an arcade) then it wouldn't be punishment? would it? especially if you were as rich as donald trump, then you would always do things to get banned and wouldn't care if you had to pay to get out of it.
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DO NOT CHEAT
Plain and simple. By installing and using Paintball2, you agree not
to use any cheats or modify the game content in order to gain an
unfair advantage while playing against human opponents.
Any violation of this agreement will be prosecuted to the full extent of
the law under your state jurisdiction. There are no warranties, express
or implied, regarding fitness of this software for any purpose.
How about paying so Jitspoe doesnt sue them? ;)
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If you get banned to much like 15 times or whatever jits will just perm ban you lol.
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Yeah, I'm not saying that you guys shouldn't make money
Again, JITSPOE is his name.
If you get banned to much like 15 times or whatever jits will just perm ban you lol.
No he wouldn't. If it's a dollar a day, and double everytime, Jitspoe would make over a million bucks everytime. I think it'd be smart if he kept that player hacking away.
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15 times?! That's like too many. He should make it about 5 tops. I suppose he'll come up with something that you can buy your way out of perm bans (for like $400 lol).
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There are others behind it that should make money. Like Knack and y00tz... wait, that's you, because your always on the forums to help others. The guys at GameFAQs make millions a year.
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I suppose Jitspoe would decide if he lifts a ban or not, he probably wouldnt lift 2 bans from the same person in a week or something.
But maybe he would lift several bans if the person doesnt hack very often, like 1 time per year :P
EDIT: y00tz and knack dont spend money on this game.. that I know of. Jitspoe, on the other hand, does.
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I don't think he understands we don't get the money it's going to jist to pay for running the game.
@player: ever heard the word exaduration I don't know how many times it is and I don't care since I don't get banned.
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Like Knack and y00tz... wait, that's you, because your always on the forums to help others.
I wouldn't take money made from this game... it's called stealing. :(
It all belongs to other people
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THank you y00tz! =D,
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Neither would I I'd let Jitspoe have it I don't do anything for this game compared to him plus he should get it to help pay off all the bills from this game.
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True, jitspoe should get money, but from donations or other ways, people who are banned are being punished. And should remained punished. a bans not even all that long, well some aren't.
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They are being punished by having to either pay from their pocket or hold out with their ban time for 32+ days.
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it's not really a pusnishment 0.50 cents.
1. How do they get the money to Jits. Not everyone uses paypal. Shipping I don't think he'll want to give out his address and moneys not supposeed to be shiped....
2. I'm not going to lie, but paying of a dollar a day is a good idea =P
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When was .50 cents established to be the price?
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How do they pay? well, #1 they don't have to. as such, i think paypal would be the easiest way. because if they really wanted to pay, seriously, how hard is it to get a FREE paypal account??
and even then you don't have to have a paypal account to pay through paypal. as long as you have a credit or debit card, you're good to go.
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I don't think he understands we don't get the money it's going to jist to pay for running the game.
@player: ever heard the word exaduration I don't know how many times it is and I don't care since I don't get banned.
@Apocalypse: ever heard the word exaggeration :P
And back on topic, In an ideal world I would still not like this idea to be implemented (as I'm sure most others would too), however I've changed my mind from my last post in this thread and think that it would be a good way to help Jitspoe and this game sustain themselves. Someone mentioned before that any revenue from bans wouldn't be profit, it would go towards paying off a (pretty large i imagine) debt.
Again to answer the questions of how people would pay for this. PayPal is a viable solution, those who get banned and do not have PayPal, or any other viable means to pay off their ban must then be satisfied with not playing for the period of their ban. This is not a solution to let everyone pay off bans, if they can't then we simply don't care!
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When was .50 cents established to be the price?
Um. At the beginning. The first post by Jitspoe...
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Ah, I see. I guess I forgot after 5 pages :-/
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Yeah maybe raise it to a dollar or maybe 2 that way for a 32 he could get 32 maybe even 64 also maybe Jits should be taking those who have been perm banned to court........ if you read the rules you'd see he can sue them and also make them pay like 1000 dollars to get it off lol.
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Ah, I see. I guess I forgot after 5 pages :-/
it's ok =D I still love you Cobo.
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I get that a lot :-\
So it has lost its meaning for me.
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well dang in that case. Let's convert our potential energy to kinetic energy. =D
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I think this should be removed so people will stop using it as an excuse as to why jitspoe banned them.
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I like what youre sayin Cobo... but quite frankly I dont think anyone can use it as an excuse... Jits is a pretty fiar guy...
-Follow the rules, you can play
-Break em, youre banned
...I dont think anyone can say he wants money because I dont think he's ever banned someone unfairly... The jigsaw incident was isolated and they both confessed to having some part in it.
After all the money and time Jits has invested into this community and game, the least we could do is let him run it his own way and give him complete control over it, its not anyones place to say who he can and cant ban.
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I like what youre sayin Cobo... but quite frankly I dont think anyone can use it as an excuse... Jits is a pretty fiar guy...
-Follow the rules, you can play
-Break em, youre banned
...I dont think anyone can say he wants money because I dont think he's ever banned someone unfairly... The jigsaw incident was isolated and they both confessed to having some part in it.
After all the money and time Jits has invested into this community and game, the least we could do is let him run it his own way and give him complete control over it, its not anyones place to say who he can and cant ban.
I have to disagree due to the recent ban placed upon Y2J.
And as for letting him run it how he wants, I agree and disagree. He should be able to run it but there needs to be someone else with equal power to second guess him; sort of like a checks and balances system.
/me forsees a ban in his future.
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Y2J deserved what he got... while he had some help to get the password, he didn't have to use it... I do understand that Jig shouldnt have released it but as Jits said, why would you use it, plus jits didnt deserve the verbal abuse from y2j yesterday in IRC either.
Its all good, Jits is most certainly not lookin for cash
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y2j and the like get their jollies off being internet bullies. makes them think they rule the internet. people that provide helpful things for this game also get a clash with them too, just because they try to help and not be excretory openings.
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How do they pay? well, #1 they don't have to. as such, i think paypal would be the easiest way. because if they really wanted to pay, seriously, how hard is it to get a FREE paypal account??
and even then you don't have to have a paypal account to pay through paypal. as long as you have a credit or debit card, you're good to go.
Yeah...and if you don't have a credit/debit card?
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I'd like to pay money to keep skater banned for another year.
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I'd like to pay money to keep skater banned for another year.
+1 ;D
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I'd like to pay money to keep skater banned for another year.
I'd pay for both of you.
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Yeah...and if you don't have a credit/debit card?
then you could either get a paypal acct and link it to your checking account, or just send jits a money order or cashier's check.
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After reading the Pay for ban time reduction (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7053.0) topic, I thought it was a great idea. I didn't want to revive that old of a topic so I posted this. With the addition of In-Game Ads (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=11374.0), monthly donations, and payment for ban time reduction, Jitspoe would be paying little to nothing from his own pocket. I know that a lot of people said that if you pay off a ban, it would make people see it as less of a consequence to be banned but its not. If some continually is paying to have a ban shortened, the money will start to add up. If the beginning ban time would increase from the 32 day rule, it would be a better option for Jitspoe too. I think 32 days is too short in my opinion too because people usually have a second offense right after their first ban is over.
Somethings that would make the payment a good option but still a consequence could be:
-Can only pay off 3/4ths of the ban time
-Ban payments double every offense
-After 3 times, the payment option doesn't apply anymore
-People with multiply accounts and didn't hack would be able to learn their lesson with out being out of commission for too long
Ban payments could be:
1st offence: $ .50 U.S a day
2nd Offence: $ 1.00 U.S a day
3rd Offence and last chance of ban reduction: $ 2.00 U.S a day.
In the payment topic, it said that Jitspoe implemented this but I have never seen anyone's ban have been paid off so I thought the option was done away with.
Post feedback for my idea, not flames.
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Isn't this basically reviving that topic in new thread?
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Yes and no. When Jitspoe posted the other topic I didn't see it so I couldn't add my opinion and some of the info in my post wouldn't have fit in the other topic anyway. The other topic was before Multiple Accounts was a crime I think.
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I'm just going to merge these so everything stays in one thread. To be honest, this really isn't worth it. Nobody actually went through with it, and it gets a some bad rep. People start accusing me of banning just so I can make money. It's also a headache to work out payments, etc.
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second offense right after their first ban is over.
-Can only pay off 3/4ths of the ban time
Ban payments could be:
3rd Offence and last chance of ban reduction: $ 2.00 U.S a day.
3rd Offence = 128 days
3/4 of 128days = 96days
96days * 2$ = 192$
Who will pay 192$ for Paintball ?
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3rd Offence = 128 days
3/4 of 128days = 96days
96days * 2$ = 192$
Who will pay 192$ for Paintball ?
It would have been an option.
Besides, the idea didn't go through, so no worries.
Topic is dead.
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Topic is dead.
Don't know why you revived it in the first place! >:(
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Don't know why you revived it in the first place! >:(
I'm just going to merge these so everything stays in one thread. To be honest, this really isn't worth it. Nobody actually went through with it, and it gets a some bad rep. People start accusing me of banning just so I can make money. It's also a headache to work out payments, etc.
Didn't know it wouldn't work and I had extra ideas like I originially said.
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i think it could go either way because
pros: it would bring in money for dp
cons: ppl wont learn their lesson...they will continue to cheat and just pay it off and be right back on playing the next day
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umm... iced ... it's over. don't worry about it.
(read back a few posts before your own.)
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$.50 Per Day x 1024 Days = $512
:o
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y2j and the like get their jollies off being internet bullies. makes them think they rule the internet.
any proof of this?
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any proof of this?
It was 7 months ago, please, leave it be.
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nope sorry.
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Yeah, I agree with Cola. Had I seen this before I would have commented.
Why is there no ban associated with that post? Looks like a personal attack to me.
And plus, we all know I get off to bestiality and rape sex, thus his statement is clearly false.
But hey, if the 13 year old wants to personally attack me, so be it. Last I heard he was breaking his own ribs because LIFE IS SO TOUGH. Gimme your address spook, I'll send you a razor blade, since you're probably too young to buy one.
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Same.