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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Bix on July 10, 2007, 03:41:36 AM

Title: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Bix on July 10, 2007, 03:41:36 AM
*exploit* http://zilla-clan.net/upload/163456 *exploit*

^^^^^what needs to be fixed^^^^^^^^

*match demo* http://zilla-clan.net/upload/860799 *match demo*

^^^^doesn't show exploit-but uber fast caps/grabs^^^^^^^

I think this demo shows enough proof of how mirror2 can be exploited and cheated. I, and others, feel that if people can do this on a map, it shouldn't be used.

Jitspoe - if this is "showing" people how to exploit just delete it..I dont think it is though..
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: blaa on July 10, 2007, 04:51:19 AM
#1 the maker of the map said that passing the map is meant to be that way
#2 lol, you cant ban a map
#3 i had never seen that walking through before. That plus passing the flag together are a lethal combination :D. I think map should be redone. Flag passing should stay, but walk through not.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: b00nlander on July 10, 2007, 06:20:33 AM
there's a similar exploit in mirrorr, and for the PBCup League there was a fix with a trigger_hurt, if I remember right
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Playah on July 10, 2007, 11:48:05 AM
Flag passing should stay

Hell no.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: lekky on July 10, 2007, 12:42:13 PM
Horrible exploit for losers :)
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Bix on July 10, 2007, 12:48:11 PM
ok...maybe I went too far on the "ban" thing, but this for sure needs to be fixed before matching on more. Our clan just didn't find it fair to rush and play the map how it is meant to be played, then get capped within 5 secs and never see the other team. The flag passing and going through there should be fixed.

Note - myself, olbaid, and darkness went into the server to figure it out, we first tried crouching over the other, but soon found you had to just stand up and run over the other person
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: y00tz on July 10, 2007, 12:48:58 PM
K, what server?  Did you get a demo?   If one of the admins can give me an IP...


Honestly.. you can't ban a map.  Even if Jitspoe writes code to make it unplayable.. there's still those of us that'll want to play it.

*edited for content and y00tzisms
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Bix on July 10, 2007, 12:50:42 PM
yootz, i have the match demo...i just dont want to bore you all with 15 mins of bs. again, "ban" may not be the right word, but fix. Fix is for sure the right word.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: y00tz on July 10, 2007, 12:53:03 PM
Ban is definitely the wrong word, I'm not objected to see it fixed, that is, unless the original author intended it.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Bix on July 10, 2007, 01:23:00 PM
if it was made to play that way, dj sux
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: XtremeBain on July 10, 2007, 03:49:42 PM
there's a similar exploit in mirrorr, and for the PBCup League there was a fix with a trigger_hurt, if I remember right
The first time that map was played Blitz was on a cap run and managed to hit it when sliding off his own ramp towards the flag cap zone, killing himself and almost costing eR33t the map.

Too funny.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: y00tz on July 10, 2007, 03:55:03 PM
Can the mirror2 exploit be done solo, or does it requires a partner?  I know the mirrorr can be done solo and very fast.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Olbaid on July 10, 2007, 04:16:23 PM
It can be done solo, but it's much easier with a partner..
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Spook on July 10, 2007, 04:18:56 PM
Suck it up and deal with it. If you must play the map, exploit it, otherwise don't whine.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: coLa on July 10, 2007, 04:22:09 PM
next time just camp both flags.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: jitspoe on July 10, 2007, 07:15:13 PM
I would probably just tell any clan up front that you won't match on mirror2 because it can be exploited.  If that's the only map they're willing to play, then don't match them.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: DaRkNeSS on July 11, 2007, 02:05:20 AM
I was able to do it by just jumping and crouching at the right time, you don't even need to stand on a person.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: beaver on July 12, 2007, 10:18:02 AM
it can be remade just like jits did with shaz33 and name it the same way so eventually that vesion will disapear
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: jitspoe on July 12, 2007, 02:01:13 PM
An .ent file could be made to prevent passing through the window, but I don't think anything can be done about the flag passing, short of getting the map source and recompiling it.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: SuperMAn on July 13, 2007, 02:56:01 AM
Snipen took mirror2 off gt -.-.  PUT IT BACK ON PLEASE.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Eiii on July 13, 2007, 03:10:14 AM
Snipen took mirror2 off gt -.-.  PUT IT BACK ON PLEASE.
Let's play the 'read this thread' game.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: SuperMAn on July 13, 2007, 02:09:14 PM
I did read the whole thread and I don't remember seeing a reason to have it removed from the GT servers.  How do you know the map maker didnt intend to have the cave like that.  I agree that passing the flag through the glass is cheating.  But if the map is made with a hole that you can fit in i don't understand why people are complaining about it. 

Edit: someone should just remake the map and make the glass inbetween the flags thicker.  The cave is NOT an exploit.  You got capped on bix suck it up.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: SuperMAn on July 13, 2007, 02:16:26 PM

*match demo* http://zilla-clan.net/upload/860799 *match demo*

^^^^doesn't show exploit-but uber fast caps/grabs^^^^^^^


You even say it yourself.... uber fast caps/grabs.  Is that not what u want in dp?  going through the cave is NOT CHEATING.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Eiii on July 13, 2007, 04:52:20 PM
Going through the cave isn't cheating, but it's a very good reason to refuse to play it in a match. If capping becomes effortless, then you can get effortless points and effortless wins. :-\
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Olbaid on July 14, 2007, 01:05:12 AM
QQ superman

Guess you should go and try another map to practice exploits a week straight for..
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: SuperMAn on July 14, 2007, 11:15:03 PM
QQ superman

Guess you should go and try another map to practice exploits a week straight for..

What?  You think we practice it?  No.  We are just better than you there...


It doenst take much to stop these caps.  You keep 1 person in base that knows how to line.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Spook on July 14, 2007, 11:25:50 PM
Quote
It doenst take much to stop these caps.  You keep 1 person in base that knows how to line.

They usually have 3 :D
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Olbaid on July 15, 2007, 06:00:00 PM
QQ superman

Guess you should go and try another map to practice exploits a week straight for..


What?  You think we practice it?  No.  We are just better than you there...


It doenst take much to stop these caps.  You keep 1 person in base that knows how to line.

Carcoal told me that you guys practiced that map and its exploit for a week to play specifically against us..
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: JiGSaW on July 16, 2007, 12:58:48 AM
Mirror2 is amazing.
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: nightryder on July 16, 2007, 01:38:59 AM
would the flag still go through if there was a clip brush?
Title: Re: Mirror2 - Ban it!
Post by: Eiii on July 16, 2007, 02:19:28 AM
Yes. And you couldn't add a clip brush with an .ENT.

This map has a flaw that makes it unplayable. The only way to fix it is to redo the map.