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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Xile on July 19, 2007, 02:32:00 AM
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Hello Everyone, Xile here.
Now I had just replied to a heated post about 32 player server limits on this forum. And it really got me. Right in the ticker, of how things are turning out after all these year's of playing this wonderfully masterfully designed game of paintball.
Now I want to take this opportunity, to thank jitspoe, and the many other talented people who made and have worked on DP for many year's. Most of you in this community probably don't know me because you have embarked on the paintball2 journey in the last few year's or so. But I have been around (with many different names over the years) since the Quake1/QuakeWorld days of this game. It has gone through MANY transitional periods, one very noted when QI and jitspoe, and cal, and the Quake2 DP team had disputes over this game. And they all came through for us, and we would not be here today if it wasn't for them pushing so hard to get through for us. So, I would like to thank them all for working so hard on doing that. Which is really an integral part of DP's history, that only few people know about/remember anymore. Well you know what, I remember. Because all the year's I have been playing this game, I have tried to be fair and open and honest with everyone. And I admit, I have had time's where I have acted immature, and retarded about situation's that I should have dealt with better. Most people just think, oh well it's just a game. But to a lot of people who are not with us anymore, to them, it was never just a game. It was a refuge from everyday life. Where the amazing and wonderful would happen. For many, this game was divine. Almost, like a religion. When you hopped into DP, you knew everyone. You know how they played, you knew their skill. It was almost as if, those 3d modeled player's all ran around with real souls. You could tell who was who. Just by the way they moved gracefully around the map. You always knew, when you were in a match, who was beside you just by the way they made sure your back was covered. Or the way they always looked behind them to make sure you were there. And you saw them doing this, and It made you feel good. It made you feel important, and needed. You always knew, what was going to happen, just by walking around with someone. You didn't have to talk, you didn't have to recon. You just knew. Man, I remember this. Brotherhood. Intense brotherhood. Can you imagine that? Just think.. What if you and your clan were like that. Didn't even need to speak, you all just knew how to go about any situation the other team put on you. And if you would fail. It would be nice try bud, we'll get em next time. This, is what this game is all about. Something that was lost quite a few year's ago.
Now, all you see in in DP is a few words. It doesn't matter who you are, how long you have played. Or anything.
- If you're new at the game. It's "N00B!"
- If you're a vet at the game. It's HACKS, OR HACKER!
- If you're in the middle, you see BOTH.
It bothers me. This isn't what the game was about. And don't sit there and tell me you're not involved. Fighting on the forums is part of it. I have seen many of this from all sides of the borders. People seem to blame it on the Germans, and people from other countries. But the truth is, I seen all this BEFORE they came to DP. And guess where they learned it from. You teach new player's how to play by being in a server with them. What people do not realize is, you control how your community is. People set examples to follow. Newbies follow what is in front of them. I know, I have been a newbie in many games. And have fallen into these things before.
I would just like to take this time out, to try one last time. To make a difference. To make a stand. To start some change. It only takes one person to try to change, and if other's follow. It spiderwebs out, grows, grows, and grows. And before you know it, change is imminent. I know it's not that far fetched to start some change. It has happend before, it can happen again. I am confident that if the role models of this community, can set some examples. Then we can have what we have had in the past. We have lost many good souls over the years. And you know what, most of them I have talked to about leaving when they did. And they did because of the way the community changed. Many VERY nice and good hearted people just gave up. They tried so hard, and to no avail, just gave up. Many said they would come back if things ever changed, but said it looked very bleak. And I don't blame them one bit for doing so. We see them pop up from time to time, and you know what. They were doing what I did. Checking, and hoping that things were different. But they are not. So they fall off the horse, and keep walking with something else. This will be my last attempt at DP. And if we cannot start something, I'm afraid I will not return to this game. Because the way the community is, it doesn't offer anyone anything anymore, besides ridicule and sarcasm. Things you can find in any other game. So what's the point of trying so hard on one particular game.
I have been popping in and out over the last few year's and I have to say. One thing has changed for sure. jitspoe's respect. I mentioned this is the other post I made, but I am going to re-mention it here. All I see is people complaining and requesting so much from jit. Yet, they seem to never give back to anything. A select few do, mind you. But most do not. And if they do, it is not in a manner that should be given. jits has worked so hard and so long on this game, and everyone seems to want to take, and never give back. They do like I said, but only half way. Jits provides paintball2 for free. He works hard on it, when he doesn't have to. He deserves 100% respect from anybody that talks to him. Like I said. I see 80% of posts are fights about how things should be this way, things should be that way, and whatnot. And in not one of them does it involve him what-so-ever. If you want to rant about 32 player map servers. LOOK at the logical facts, and setup some sort of meeting with jitspoe and have a discussion live. Not on the forums where everyone can shout in there two cents and flame. Where it is controlled, and respected, and progress can be made. Where if things do get out of hand, they can be controlled on the spot. Anyways, enough about that. Think of it this way. jitspoe is pretty much the king of dp. He makes the rules, he makes the decisions... people should respect that, ask for his input, and seriously consider what he has to say. Not just well its working so well for me and my buddies so were just gonna go over here and eat worms. Which happens in 98% of any flaming cases. Don't beleive me? Go through the forums and see for yourself. Any time jits TRIES to give logical input, it never seems to matter. Which is probably why he doesn't post to everyone's complaining topics anymore. Jits made the game, and hes also probably the most fairest guy In the community in my opinion. If you're in control of something that has to do with the game, you should really consider listening to what he has to say.. you know considering he designed the game and all. Enough about that....
Anyways, change. Everyone knows we need change. It's not that hard to see. Many people have worked on this game so hard over the years. And put so much heart into it. And I just don't see payback their getting really. Having full server's doesn't make them feel all warm inside I bet. It's how people go about things and carry themselves. And if they are enjoying themselves. If there are 100 people playing dp, and 10 are enjoying themselves. That's pointless. And I bet if you ask a lot of people, they will tell you that.
So I ask of EVERYONE... on Saturday, July, 21st, 2007... do your part... First off.. take some time out to thank jitspoe and the other's. Post in here, email them, tell them on IRC, any way possible. And I'm going to be checking with a few people to see what happens. If you post any flame or anything in here.. you will just prove my point. So don't bother. PM me if you have a problem.
Heres a list of things to get started on Saturday (or even better now) that you can do...
JOIN #definedp on irc.globalgamerscenter.net to support the cause, and to show you care about the community. Idle here to show support.
NOTE: flames, language and everything else that goes against this, will NOT be tolerated in this channel what so ever. People who participate will be noticed, and appreciated.
- Thank jitspoe and other's for their hard efforts.
- Make any kind of donation to the project! Anything helps, ask jit how to donate!
- Compliment other's on their progress in the game.
- Compliment someone who has contributed to the game in some way.
- Help a new comer.
- Organize a pickup game for the better of DP where everyone is there for the cause.
- Ask a few people how they feel about the community, how it could be better and express that in here (if you flame, i feel sorry for you).
You get the idea. Idle in #definedp to show support, even AFTER Saturday. The more we show, the more we can grow and change things. Also, for being involved and actively helping out, you could be featured on a project in the works. And be seen or heard by all of DP and alot of other people too. Players that strive and show support will not be unnoticed.
Thank you all for reading...
And I hope we can all do something to better the community. And make this game fully enjoyable for vets, middle people and the newbies alike!!!
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I would also like to add, that players who seem genuine, and want change. We will be having some discussions and I will be taking things to jitspoe personally, and going over them with him. One on one. Alas, only plausible solutions and suggestions will be considered. And that will all be agreed on. Things that are not viewed on by the majority, will not be presented. But will be fully and utterly honestly considered and presented properly for consideration.
Thanks again
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To be honest, I actually prefer the forum method of communication. I can access the forums on any computer with Internet access, but my IRC time is very limited. I won't be around on Saturday, but I think I can remote in to my home computer and join #definedp to at least log the conversations.
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Sounds good.
Id just like to get everyone talking about the problems within the community and how they can be changed to make it more enjoyable for everyone. I know a lot of people feel the way I do, but just don't know how to go about it. I know a lot of people who would like the community to be a more enjoyable place for everyone. Making them realize that most of the problem's aren't the games problems. They are peoples problems.
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logmein is acting up. It keeps saying "your input is being blocked" and won't let me do anything. Odd thing is, that message doesn't show up on Google, unless I tack "logmein" on, and then it returns a single site, but it's foreign. Now I'm beginning to question Google's search logic... oh well. I guess I'll just talk to you when I get back.
Edit: Got it working. My client is idle there.
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It's nice to see that someone is trying to sort out the problems we have in this game at the moment. All this bullexcrement is what made me give it up a couple years back, i've only come back recently 'cause i have alot more free time to do stuff now that i've finished all my exams.
If enough people want to get involved and be mature about this, I'm sure that no bad can come of this. It never hurts to try.
Good luck, i'll be idling in #definedp
~MT
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I got your back Xile.
Wow, you made me remember everything that I miss......
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How the intercourse did you fit all of that in 1 post. Your a freak. <3
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Haha, I was planning on writing about how in the 2 years from when I left Springfield to go to Seattle, and since I've come back, this community is feeling more and more at everyone's throats everyday.
Cheers to Xile :D
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This is so true. And it has been a consistant detirioration. Even one year ago when I was in tR you could have still have a lot of fun with your friends, even when you weren't playing. You always knew you'd have another crack at your opponents, and most matches were fun and serious. And I can imagine how great it would have been to play those years ago, when everyone knew everyone, helped everyone. Now all that remains in pubs at any one time are ~100 players, being disuaded from trying to play by 10 who have just learned to jump and think everyone that eliminates them hacks. And since this annoys veterans, they no longer play in pubs, so more and more people form 2 day clans, and shout abuse. I don't see any easy way of stopping this without annoying players, but I'll willfully add my support.
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Hey Xile, this is a great thing you are trying to do and its really appreciated by everyone.
I would just like to thank you for this opportunity.
And I remember you from the many years ago in a clan you made with Gohan called [sD] Speed Demons.
A great clan, very skilled and determined to win.
I also remember the many days you helped me with my skill developing and showing me the secrets to a lot of maps.
Thank you Xile.
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I'll show my support even though i have only played a year and a half and only know what i see.
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I'd like to help out.
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Thanks for helping out, skater.
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Good job on the fake logs champ.
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Noep, I've got the same. :3
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We had a not bad turnout this morning.. about 20 people were in there. Down to about 9 people now with alot of people joining then leaving.
Slowly but surely. The only people that have really showed is people who visit the forums. So well think of a few ways to expand to get more support I think.
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I had to get off irc due to internet problems and never got back on. Tomorrow i will show my support again, and hopefully my internet will cooperate.
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Spook, stop sucking up.
i'm idling.
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We had a not bad turnout this morning.. about 20 people were in there. Down to about 9 people now with alot of people joining then leaving.
Slowly but surely. The only people that have really showed is people who visit the forums. So well think of a few ways to expand to get more support I think.
Most of the new players [teenagers] have to shut off their systems at night ;D
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As Do I :)
I dont expect people to spend their life in there dont worry :)
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Xile whats up old friend,
I support what u are doing and will back u up 100%,
My team and I (StaRz) are more then willing to help out with any sagestions or recommendations.
Happy to see someone put his foot down.
Looking forwards to bring the roots of DP back from the development days, when the community was extremely tight with eachother and didn't have to worrier about being be- little by a team or player!
Hope fully in turn, this change in attitude will bring back some of the original names we don't see anymore from the community.
Peace bro
DP Love ;)
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Its nice to see people trying to do this, but I don't think you will get far. The vets have to step up and set an example. Honestly most of them are too stubborn to change. Do you really think anyone in 20id will go for this? They will probably just laugh at you and call you a stupid newbie.
With all the new training teams coming out, maybe the people teaching should try teaching some class.
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We had a not bad turnout this morning.. about 20 people were in there. Down to about 9 people now with alot of people joining then leaving.
Slowly but surely. The only people that have really showed is people who visit the forums. So well think of a few ways to expand to get more support I think.
Global announcements on IRC would help.
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Its nice to see people trying to do this, but I don't think you will get far. The vets have to step up and set an example. Honestly most of them are too stubborn to change. Do you really think anyone in 20id will go for this? They will probably just laugh at you and call you a stupid newbie.
You'd probably be suprised that many of our members are quite supportive of the ideas brought up in this discussion, and have been in favor of something like this for a number of years now. Try not to let the attitudes of 1 or 2 of our members discount our entire team. :-\
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I mentioned something similar in the irc channel, but here is a question for thought.
Is the main change hoped for going to stem from internal change among the individual members? I think this would be best if possible, but it also calls for a huge information campaign and some persuasion through reasoning and appealing to goodwill.
On the other hand, a combination of this and some minimal imposed rules would spread far faster and be noticeable immediately. It wouldn't wait for internal change on everyone's part as that is unlikely. In this scenario you would need to get the server admins on your side and have them inact some sensible rules on flames in the servers.
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Bless Jits <3
Bless X
Long Live True DP!
<3
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There is a survey up now to all those who do not know.
For those for it AND against it.
http://www.freewebs.com/definedp/survey.htm
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You'd probably be suprised that many of our members are quite supportive of the ideas brought up in this discussion, and have been in favor of something like this for a number of years now. Try not to let the attitudes of 1 or 2 of our members discount our entire team. :-\
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1 or 2 of your members? Bain you are the only active one in 20id that isn't completely full of himself / an excretory opening.
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No need to turn this post into accusation who is more fair and willing to do something about it then the other. You should rather influence on your team members, talk to them, because the change can start from the clan itself and only then can spread further.
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I suggest anyone who doesnt support it to do the survey also. Or your voice will not be heard.
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just got back from camp but added #definedp to my autojoin list be in there wenever im on
great idea xile
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Did that survey!!!! Woot.
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I put this on that server but here it is again
Yes, our community does nothing for any new players and just refuse to help each other out anymore.
Even though I was only here for a few months (6) back 2.5 years ago it was different if I made a mistake in a game
people would give me support when I didn't know how to change my name I got honest support now if newbies ask this
question all they receive is a laugh and are told to type impulse 101. When I asked how to double jump they taught
me someone even took mr for a little 1v1 lesson now if newbiies ask this this is the response they get.....
"lol NOOB!"
I personally think there was 4 eras of paintball that I have seen era1: The years of helpfulness: My favourite
aswell as my first this era was full of what you mentioned in your post except a bit less everyone was helping
each other and no insults were being throne. era2:The age of jumps: A vey short one that I think scarred the
dp community all you could ever find were jump maps I bairly played in this era because it was so bad none even
spoke to each other except to call eachother noobs. era3:the era of speed servers: another short one and yes I
know there is still a speed server but in this era it was all that was ever played this was another short but deep
scar in dp and its community.
era4:the current era the era of abuse and mass server poulation:This era is the worst yet the state of the dp
community has been worsening.
All that you see in this era is abuse except for a few select places and people.
The public play is going down the drain and leaving the clan scene to a small dieing corner of the game.
Nothing in this era is how it used to be anymore all you ever see is abuse this era is definitely the worst yet
and will leave a horrible scar.
Thanks for reading this,
Apocalypse
I've applied for it already and by the way you rule Xile and Jits!!!!!
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Dont Whine! #define(dp)
W007. Was bored.
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* You were kicked from #definedp by KnacK (KnacK)
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* You were kicked from #definedp by KnacK (KnacK)
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#definedp unable to join channel (address is banned)
For nothing. I was idling that channel for like 4 days straight with no problem, and then knack banned me. Looks like someone is a little upset.
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Well, here's the full thing.
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(9:29:31 PM) <skater> bain showing his support
(9:29:33 PM) <skater> how cure
(9:30:35 PM) <skater> Cute.
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I dont see anything wrong either, though. :-\
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I'm pretty sure you've had it coming since this (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7903.msg84332#msg84332).
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It was almost as if, those 3d modeled player's all ran around with real souls. You could tell who was who. Just by the way they moved gracefully around the map. You always knew, when you were in a match, who was beside you just by the way they made sure your back was covered. Or the way they always looked behind them to make sure you were there. And you saw them doing this, and It made you feel good. It made you feel important, and needed. You always knew, what was going to happen, just by walking around with someone. You didn't have to talk, you didn't have to recon. You just knew. Man, I remember this. Brotherhood. Intense brotherhood. Can you imagine that? Just think.. What if you and your clan were like that. Didn't even need to speak, you all just knew how to go about any situation the other team put on you. And if you would fail. It would be nice try bud, we'll get em next time. This, is what this game is all about. Something that was lost quite a few year's ago.
Dude. Ty. We should all feel this way.
Sorry for my late response. But how late is a the same sentiment I posted when first started posting.
You sir are welcome in my home and my community.
As most of you grown to know me....in this and all of Q2.
Mi casa is su casa.
Home again ! I like to be here when I can.
When I come home cold and tired.
Its good to play q2 by certain fire.
Here the softly spoken magic spell?
Unite.
*xile will now pm u your request. Once you contact you will be happy as i am now. Good things abound.
Jitspoe. TY. I owe a life time of laughter.
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I'm pretty sure you've had it coming since this (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7903.msg84332#msg84332).
Exactly - Thank you.
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Oh, Didnt think it would be that since Xile banned him already for that and gave him a second chance.
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Knack, that was like 5 days ago. I had apologized to Xile and said I'd idle the chan and help out.
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I'm glad someone has taken time out to write a lengthy detailed post, saying something that most of us have been trying to say for a long time (but seemingly being ignored). Xile, I hope that you can use this base to bring about a mass attitute change, and I will be in full support of it.
It needs more than just asknig people to idle an irc channel though, do you have any projects in mind to help push along this change in attitudes? I'll throw a few ideas out to begin with:
Go out of your way to answer the invitable questinos you hear in any pub, "How do you jump so high?". Literally grab a private server and show the newbie how to strafe jump. Do this once a day and you'll be surprised how effective it is. That person you helped will feel great that someone so good took time out of their day to help him, and this attitude will pass down from player to playe. The next time someone askes that guy the same question, what do you think his answer will be?
Match a "funname clan" from a pub, and rather than pummeling them and destroying their life, offer advice throughout the match. I've done this before and the match literally turns into a lesson, going onto multiple maps with no regard for the score. You'll be amazed that these "funname clans" just don't know any better, and are usually pretty decent people. Some simple advice such as "you should have done this, then you would have been able to take advantage of this, etc".
Those are some specific projects that may be helpfull. Also I'll post a few general rules I think we should follow as experienced players:
- Try to answer questions people have in pubs, many don't know about irc or the forums, and public servers are their only means of getting answers to their questions.
- Don't argue in pub, and try to resolve arguments in servers you are in.
- Don't play under an alias? Not so certain about this one myself, but it might be that if these newbies regularly see a player topping the charts, they might be more willing to ask questions or open communication with this individual.
We should be aiming to create an open and friendly environment in pubs, where anyone can ask a question and expect a decent answer. Most of you guys are role models when you play in pubs, whether you like it or not, if you take responsibility for this role, alot of good can come of it, and this change xile has talked about has a greater chance of occuring.
Of course all the above could be a load of crap, but its good to discuss :)
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I like your ideas lekky maybe even take a time out to go to a newbier pub.
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maybeimnotsupposedtopostthisbutheyxile definedp.org thankspleasegetbacktomeasap
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Nice smokey.
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I deeply appreciate the time that xile has taken to make this thread, aiming to ressurect effort to reestablish this community to its former glory. The entire community should take this seriously, and I'd be, as well as many others, extremeley pleased to see some progress.
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I will probably be absent from definedp for a week or so.
I quit my job the other day and am trying to find a new work home. I will check in as much as I possibly can though. W00t for being unemployed!
No sweat though, there are other's in the channel that can keep things rolling and I will be back as soon as I can.
If anyone has any experience in website design and graphic's and want to help out. Please send me a PM so we can get something up soon (I don't have as much time as I used to until I find another job)
Also, if anyone would like to donate us a 16 player server in US and UK so we can hold some tourneys and promote, that would be awesomeness too. If not, I will find a way to get a couple up when I get settled in my new job (when I find one)
:)
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I will probably be absent from definedp for a week or so.
I quit my job the other day and am trying to find a new work home. I will check in as much as I possibly can though. W00t for being unemployed!
No sweat though, there are other's in the channel that can keep things rolling and I will be back as soon as I can.
If anyone has any experience in website design and graphic's and want to help out. Please send me a PM so we can get something up soon (I don't have as much time as I used to until I find another job)
Also, if anyone would like to donate us a 16 player server in US and UK so we can hold some tourneys and promote, that would be awesomeness too. If not, I will find a way to get a couple up when I get settled in my new job (when I find one)
:)
I'll do the site work if you don't mind and I can throw a server up. :)
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Xile wrote that better than I ever could that's for sure. I'm way too surly.
Odd thought:
Being nicer to each other may not be the way to a better dp
For example a few years back if someone logged into a losing team which now made the teams even then suddenly switched to the winning team just because and made the teams off by 2... people would yell at them, lots of people would tell them off until they went back and made it even again. Of course many people know this is my personal pet peeve but it doesn't make the example less relevant.
If the community is expected to act in a civil manner it must be told so, repeatedly. Everyone who posted now needs to put their money where there mouth is and act when something needs doing or saying. Committees and polls and yada yada are all fine and dandy but at the end of the day it will be the efforts of individuals to influence other individuals in a positive way that make a difference.
This means sometimes being unpopular, it means some people will get mad at you because they like it crappy (no one notices their smell that way), it means you may get kicked from bad pub servers, it may mean that you at some point will be alone fighting many. Welcome to caring...
FTX
PS: Hey everyone.
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I asked Xile if I could make a banner for the new DefineDP website that would becomming soon, so here it is.
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5238/dfdp1copyme6.png)
Feedback?
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Nice to see you around FourthX also awesome banner Queenie what did you use for that one?
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Surprisingly not bad QueeNiE. Touch up the "Dp", stick with one font. Dp should be DP for Digital Paint not Digital paint. I love that you actually put digital paint from a digital paint grenade on there, very cool.
7/10.
Edit. It has a drastic edge half way through, either make it more of an edge, or overlay to get rid of it, right now it just looks like a mistake from the image on the left being on top.
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Bleh your right. Thanks for those tips.
/me heads back to photoshop.
Edit::
Here she is...
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3605/dfdp1copynh6.png)
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Great job with the seam, looks very good, I still think that DP could look better if it was the same font as the Define part.
Much better though
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Why this is going to fail:
No server admins are on board, and playing on GT servers can still result in a viewgib and tempban just for killing Snipen 10 rounds straight on a registered name...
The servers are still going to have 32 person limits, making it impossible to help newbies, people won't get supplies, and viewgibs will result from that.
I for one just got banned when I asked snipen why hew viewgibbed someone, in the midst of this dfdp campaign. God forbid he explain himself?
And further more just looking at your site, and the shoutout box, people wearing the DFDP tag are calling the germans nazi's?
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I don't really understand what you're trying to do with this DefineDP stuff. I understand that you want to make the community better, even though it's really not all that bad. It's a typical gaming community where people make fun of each other and such, its expected. I don't think the opinions of about 15 people is going to sway the opions of about 300 other people. GL though.
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maybe you should start with a good example, skater. good things don't "happen", good things grow.
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No,
It is not expected.
WAY back before you ever thought of playing DP, the environment was very different. There was more of a team effort while playing, more players got excited about matching or playing, cheating or hacking really wasn't an issue, and overall there was a very receptive atmosphere in the forums and servers and irc.
The only real events that happened were the weekly heated debates between Zimbu and Royal Blood, Cal talking about Val, and working on improvements towards the game ( such as what a few are doing now)
Now, we have very little in the way of mentorships, everyone is a hacker, egos are so big that people won't play on servers that the egotistical types are on, and when someone asks a question on irc or in a server they get female doged at.
Think about it...
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Haha, the ol cal and val...
I remember someone made a pic of him dressed up and he got pretty upset.. But it was surely different back then. And what DefineDP is going to do is in the works. We done expect results right away. And were working on some plans to involve more people. You will know about them as they unfold. Things take time. It's only been a week or so. Give it time.
Good times :)
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I encourage anyone who wants to support definedp to have their fakehost changed to definedp.org =] I've told butta to allow anyone to use it.
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At least I'm not a cannuck!!!
But seriously how can I complain when Im lumped in with two of the finest people to ever grace this game?
FTX
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I'm glad someone has taken time out to write a lengthy detailed post, saying something that most of us have been trying to say for a long time (but seemingly being ignored). Xile, I hope that you can use this base to bring about a mass attitute change, and I will be in full support of it.
It needs more than just asknig people to idle an irc channel though, do you have any projects in mind to help push along this change in attitudes? I'll throw a few ideas out to begin with:
Go out of your way to answer the invitable questinos you hear in any pub, "How do you jump so high?". Literally grab a private server and show the newbie how to strafe jump. Do this once a day and you'll be surprised how effective it is. That person you helped will feel great that someone so good took time out of their day to help him, and this attitude will pass down from player to playe. The next time someone askes that guy the same question, what do you think his answer will be?
Match a "funname clan" from a pub, and rather than pummeling them and destroying their life, offer advice throughout the match. I've done this before and the match literally turns into a lesson, going onto multiple maps with no regard for the score. You'll be amazed that these "funname clans" just don't know any better, and are usually pretty decent people. Some simple advice such as "you should have done this, then you would have been able to take advantage of this, etc".
Those are some specific projects that may be helpfull. Also I'll post a few general rules I think we should follow as experienced players:
- Try to answer questions people have in pubs, many don't know about irc or the forums, and public servers are their only means of getting answers to their questions.
- Don't argue in pub, and try to resolve arguments in servers you are in.
- Don't play under an alias? Not so certain about this one myself, but it might be that if these newbies regularly see a player topping the charts, they might be more willing to ask questions or open communication with this individual.
We should be aiming to create an open and friendly environment in pubs, where anyone can ask a question and expect a decent answer. Most of you guys are role models when you play in pubs, whether you like it or not, if you take responsibility for this role, alot of good can come of it, and this change xile has talked about has a greater chance of occuring.
Of course all the above could be a load of crap, but its good to discuss :)
bump or something.
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Hey Xile :)
I enjoyed your post. It really brought back memories of the good old days. It was a different game back then - I miss those days for sure.
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<3 Scribe
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<scribe> Well the barrels and crates are there for a reason.. I like to take advantage of them when I can
What does that mean? You keep quotes of me? I feel special :)
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I'm so disappointed I didn't see this thread before now. Xile, lekky, et al: got some great thoughts. I'm idling in #definedp as i write this.
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Two months late, I'm afraid.
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ya i know. :(