Author Topic: The Zoogooz Hackusation  (Read 24136 times)

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2006, 10:37:20 AM »
I bet you read it but you dont want to reply to it since you cant say its a lie.

No WaI i WuZ FigoOreD oUt.

Nah I really didn't read it.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2006, 10:37:47 AM »
My god, I read about 3 sentences of that and then I was totally confused.

LOL I didnt even bother. 1 sentence is bad enough on irc.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2006, 11:50:57 AM »
I bet you read it but you dont want to reply to it since you cant say its a lie.

No WaI i WuZ FigoOreD oUt.

Nah I really didn't read it.
Perhaps ... But it still shows the truth.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2006, 12:45:06 PM »
-Didnt you accuse UniBoNGeR of hacking?


^ lmfao. that was dt. uni is awful.

yeah hes never acused me of cheating ever.....

you can say what you want but me and you know the truth .... soo think about it for a while and truly let it sink in.... <edited for jitspoe> =]
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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2006, 03:15:32 PM »
Quit with the childish insults, and use a spell checker.  You're just as guilty as the person you accuse.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2006, 03:44:18 PM »
zoogooz is such a stud.  I hope he joins hateclan.
Quit with the unnecessary interruptions, and go get a female. Uni isn't guilty of accusing anyone of hacking.
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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2006, 07:13:27 PM »
jitspoe how about checking out the models that i posted. I want to hear what u have to say about them. if u think they are in anyway able to give me some sort of edge on everyone else... those models are what dirtytaco is accusing me of cheating with... even though i have never used them in a pub server for dp
i have used them on many quake2 clan matchs for q2dm instagib.
but never once thought of them giving me some sort of advantage. soo go look at them.

i can understand your feelings on the childish insults, but you allways say to keep stuff on topic..  no where in this thread did i acuse anyone of hacking. if anything i expressed what has happend to me after er33t acused me of cheating. since i was involved in this thread in a few post i thought it would be approprate for me to respond with what i did. i stated what i was being acused of and a way to resolve the problem  by providing you with the nessessary things to provide you proof if i really would have some sort of advantage over everyone else.

soo quickly respond soo everyone else can know what i allready do , if anything they give u a disadvantage in dp.


the video of zoogooz to me looks like hes having a good day. mabbe the reason he got blitz that one time is cause he plays pub and newbs always stay still.

zoogooz You can use "HATECLAN" name if want but make sure u spell it all caps like its written here..

btw rez and  zoogooz im jelious of u both for having demos of hacusations. everyone allways acuses me but never provides any evidence =/ *mutters* basterds *end mutters*

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2006, 08:27:26 PM »
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what really sad i saw s8n posting those pictures on irc as well. are u not like 40 years old s8n. if u have a problem with someone you go speak with that person you just don't go around spreading rumors

The pics are funny man.
No sense of humor...lol

I'll be back on editing and piecing together the zoogooz vid Monday.
Probably all have blown over by then anyways.
Will it be 100% conclusive? Dunno, we'll have to see.

Dirty_Taco

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2006, 10:22:38 PM »
Uni: everything i have done to you you have done back to me. I made a map that involved a scene with a few assorted brushes making fun of you. You made a map with a scene depicting not only bob and in a similair manner, but also my girl friend. You turned our picutres into textures for your little tirade. Pretty funny if you ask me. After smokey made me a quote bot, you made one too. Wow you really are a 'greater human bein' or wait i thought you meant 'a greater human bean' hmm actually I'm pretty sure it's spelled 'being,' good luck with that one next time. Like jitspoe said, whatever you think I'm guilty of in 'harassing you' you are just as guilty of in 'harassing me.'

And about the models, i know that retarded wolf model doesn't really give you an advantage. What that shows is that you're capable of editing and or modifying models and using them in the game since you've done it before.

Anyways, jitspoe should split this topic so we can keep it on the issue in question and various idiots can't make it digress.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2006, 11:06:34 PM »
I'm not going to bother looking at the models right now because, a) I'm at my parent's house, using their computer, and b) Isn't that long past history now?  I recall seeing a screenshot of the wolf model years ago.  Can't you let it go?  People get accused of cheating all the time in this (and pretty much any FPS) game, even me.  Digi seemed to express that he didn't think you hacked, in his own rude way, yet you're both still slinging mud at each other.  That's what you're guilty of.   I don't care who started it.  We're not in kindergarten anymore.  You may have been kids when this all started, but you're adults now.  Act like it.

Also, c) whether or not you used some quake2 wolf models and they gave you any kind of advantage has absolutely no bearing on the case with zoogooz.  If you want to contribute to this discussion, review the demo and comment on whether or not you think it is sufficient evidence to prove zoogooz was wallhacking, otherwise do as rez suggested and "quit with the unnecessary interruptions."

S8N: I guess I have no sense of humor, then, because I don't think photoshopping people's faces on homosexual porn is funny.

Back on topic: I reviewed the demo both with and without a wallhack (this was one of the wallhacks sent to me so I could add detection for it, if anybody is wondering).  There were some questionable spots, and even a part that I thought was a dead giveaway with the wallhack on, until I compared it with the wallhack off and realized that he had view of the players before shooting at them.  A video showing scenes like this solely with the wallhack enabled could be misguiding.

I think the critical problem with this demo is that there's so little of it from ZoogooZ's perspective.  Making a video with just a couple of questionable clips in it doesn't really prove anything.  We all do things that could be interpreted as a wallhack.  Sometimes it's just blind luck.  Most of the time it's based on experience with the map and understanding where players will typically be located.

Even some parts of the demo from DirtyTaco's perspective could be used as "evidence" that DirtyTaco was using a wallhack.  Please don't take this to mean I'm accusing DirtyTaco of wallhacking.  He wasn't, but you could take the scene, for example, where he throws a grenade directly at somebody on the other side of the wall, and then starts shooting at that person on the other side of the wall.  At least, that's what it looks like with the wallhack on.  With it off, you see that DirtyTaco was aware of somebody on the other side of the wall from spray and whatnot, and fell back and sprayed the stairs in case the person decided to chase after him.  It just so happened that the person did not chase after him, but instead happened to position himself directly in DirtyTaco's line of spray on the other side of the wall.

I guess my whole point in all this is that if you have preconceptions that somebody is (or isn't) cheating, you can come up with explanations and select just the portions that support your claim and ignore the rest.  If I'm going to err, I'd prefer to err on the side of innocence.  I've already wrongly accused and banned one innocent player, and I don't want to do it again.

Also, I can't stress the importance of recording demos during matches.  There were 8 people playing, and there's only one demo which included less than half of the match?  If there were more, perhaps we could come to some kind of conclusion.  I heard somebody say he was cheating much more blatantly on midnight.  Where's your proof?  Er33t should know better than anybody that unsupported cheating accusations are a major annoyance in this community.

I'd be curious to see some match demos from ZoogooZ's perspective, even if they aren't from this match.  I'd just like to see how he plays.  Also, everybody should update to build 16 if they haven't already, as that should at least reduce the possibility of using known cheats.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2006, 12:18:22 AM »
Your points about demos being construed as someone wallhacking is valid. However I think it can be objected too. Yes, theres not much footage of zoogooz, but i don't think theres one continuous shot of him in the demo that can be better explained without an appeal to a wallhack. Whereas, if you analyze the bits of me for a wallhack, theres many instances where it would be impossible to say i was wallhacking besides 'oh hes trying to hide it' (an example being when pone is camping right behind the wall from the tunnel and i drop right in front of him). I don't think this is possible with any of the shots of zoogooz except the one where he jumps directly into a stream (but this is because he missed a double jump which he thought would boost him over it).

Whether you decide to globally ban him with s8n's video as evidence or not, I didn't really think you ever would given all the old schoolers that disagree. However, I am certain that he won't wallhack again against us, and i hope he wont do it against anyone else, either way, we will have a hawk eye on him.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2006, 11:18:39 AM »
I dunno bout anyone else...but to me it seems like you guys are fighting over the internet.  It's a little stupid when you are fighting/arguing with each other like children over the internet.  GET OVER IT. 

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2006, 12:06:41 PM »
There hasn't been any fighting over the main topic in this thread. There wouldn't have ever been any fighting if loial21, clipz, or uni hadn't posted. Unfortunately they did. Aside from those posts, this thread seems like an open discussion of ideas back and forth between parties that disagree. Maybe you didn't take the time to read some of the longer posts, but those seem to capture what I'm talking about.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2006, 05:33:40 PM »

gyro: thats a big statement coming from someone who calles me a loser behind my back and trys to act all nice in front of me.... *thumbs up*

honestly dirtytaco do you have to put ur 2 cents??? 



my long post had actually something to do with this thread and thats what er33t does to people they accused of cheating..... their straight up lewdness towards the rest of the community. and i obviously added in what i was being accused of.

obviously you didn't take the time to read my post....

as 2 people have already posted.

keep on subject mr lamb.......


i really cant wait to see what the video is going to show with a wall hack on. because i cant use one to watch the demo because of build16..

i honestly think zoogooz just was having a lucky day. i get those every so often where i can just spray out of no where at corners and people will come out right at that moment. (mostly done with pgp) and also just jumping around corners already knowing where they will be.


why does er33t always whine about cheaters when they loose a match or get shot from somewhere unexpectedly(grow up)???? thats what i really would love to know.... then mr lamb thinks he can just give us his bogus theory and want the general public to believe him. you remind me of those trailer park retarded kid who wants to grow up to be a police officer. Mr doofy. are u this many years old *flashes hands*

i think this thread should be deleted. and these hacusations should just stop. zoogooz has been playing for as long as the rest of us. 9 years ..... Thats quite a lot of experience if u ask me.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2006, 06:13:19 PM »
and use a spell checker. 

If you're so concerned with uni spelling correctly then get your pos checker to work. 
dt needs to stop unsubstantially accusing people of hacking.  Also dt, you should write up one of your guides on how to post a demo.  I know you don't like newbs asking questions, but I am computer illiterate (uni knows too well).  I have some interesting demos (one which includes you), but don't know how to post them. 

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2006, 06:56:11 PM »
Too bad, maybe you should go read a fuc.king manual.

The only other time we've accused someone of hacking after we lost was TnL. Two weeks later, we proved that the accused person was hacking. When we accused you of using hacked models we had just finished pummeling you. Accusing zoogooz of hacking has nothing to do with losing, and if you'd read my first post, you'd know that.

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2006, 10:54:10 PM »
Quit with the childish insults.  You're just as guilty as the person you accuse.

u know jitspoe, people who alter the text to bypass cussing filter should be banned from ur forums.... i am offended by it..... =)

dirtytaco - When we accused you of using hacked models we had just finished pummeling you

umm u beat us like 2 to 0 or somewhere close to that on castle1, because u camped the whole map...... to be completely lame... wow that sure is some pummeling... *2 thumbs up* You were alive for 30 seconds that whole match. i was alive at least 18 minutes straight. don't take credit for blitz`s skill.

you got pummeled and then stright up called me a wall hacker in mm2... you realy are one sick sad puppy.....

i dont understand why you would bring this up after jitspoe just told us to drop it.... but for some reason you want to egg it on...... you realy are one sick sad sad oh soo sad puppy...



http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2047.0

go here to contiune our topic.....
« Last Edit: April 17, 2006, 12:14:48 AM by WarWulf »

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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #77 on: April 17, 2006, 12:16:28 AM »
GT was mentioned several times in a negetive manor before I posted any retorts.

What did GT have to do with zoogoo hacking. Was it on our server? If so, was it reported to us? Derrek is doing a stand up job, bringing GT into this thread is irresponsible and inflamatory.

Perhaps if some in e3rrt and thier clones had enough class  to make a point without being negitive and degrading in every sentence, you would have a lot less off topic posters. Something you, Jitspoe and all of us are asking for.




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Re: The Zoogooz Hackusation
« Reply #78 on: April 17, 2006, 02:08:27 PM »
Let's try to continue this discussion in a civilized and on-topic manner here: http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2048.0