Three points to be made
1.) As Digi pointed out, the accustions on zoogooz did not come out of nowhere. We've suspected him of these activities since he was in krew. We've never had any substantive demos of him doing it. The demo we currently have isn't that great, but if one knows how wallhackers play, both smart and dumb wallhackers, one can easily see whats going on.
2.) Accusing zoogooz of wallhacking did not originate from our loss (refer back to point 1). However, our loss is probably what provoked me to go out and say it publicly. This was a bad move, I shouldn't have said anything until s8n's video was finished. To support this point, the first time we accused clipz of wallhacking was after TnL beat us. 2 weeks later we exposed his blatent wallhacking. The fact that they beat us was due to his wallhack (and camping + impact grenades). Of course, before we exposed him, no one believed us and thought we were just saying it because we lost.
3.) Being an 'authority on discovering wallhackers.' This is a very shaky point. It is considerably hard to define who is an authority on pointing out wallhackers because we have no provable criteria with which to define authority on the subject. All we can say, is who has had more experience at doing it. (This of course doesnt mean they're better at it or what have you, but it is a truth that they've had more experience).
Given these propostions, I have had a lot more experience learning how wallhackers play not only when they're blatently wallhacking (not trying to hide it) and when they are trying to hide it. To give a more solid estimate of just how long I've been doing this, I began reviewing peoples demos, demoing people etc back when sR (ShadowRealm) was considered by all a hacking clan. I have learned just about every little subtle thing wallhackers do. Also, just so theres no confusion, I have been doing this since the time of shadowrealm's existence, which means i was doing it during the era in dp before the global ban list was instantiated (when wallhacking was EXTREMELY prevalent i.e. krew which zoogooz & clipz were in). Most of the old schoolers that have posted in this thread were not active during this time.
Given these truths, I have had much more experience then just about everyone who has opposed me on this topic (most of the old schoolers who took years off, gibb, herron etc) and, probably, more than anyone who has agreed with me.
Now, with dumb wallhackers, one does not need experience to point them out. Clipz was a tradeoff between a dumb wallhacker and one who tried to hide it. You can see these people staring through walls and things of this nature. GaNja, for example, was the epitome of a dumb wallhacker.
ZoogooZ is a smart wallhacker. He knows how to not make himself look obvious. However, like anyone who cheats they do very subtle things that they cannot avoid, regardless of their intelligence. With smart wallhackers, when they do obvious things, these things can also be explained in terms of recon or conincedence (however, given inference to the best explanation they are usually explained better in terms of a wallhack). But, with how many people oppose me on this topic, i know that inference to the best explanation will not be sufficient for proving anything. To give some examples, the scene where zoogooz sprays the wall in the exact spot my teammate is hiding behind can be explained by appealing to coincidence (oh he was already spraying and accidently sprayed the wall). Or when he goes under the bridge and has his client staring directly through the bridge at where blitz is camping, then pops out and basically one shots him can be explained in terms of voice recon (again i think both are better explained in terms of a wallhack).
However, not spraying when anyone else would be spraying, cannot. This is a very shaky point because its extremely hard to define strictly 'would someone be spraying here' without a lot of experience on the map. To make it more simple, i ask you to consider the following subjunctive conditional where S refers to our subject, zoogooz, and P refers to his position on the map.
If S had been at P, S would have been spraying.
Now keep this conditional in mind the entire time while watching the demo (instead of just reading our teams message mode 2 and not watching zoogooz like many people i.e. herron did). For me, the most obvious part of the demo is when zoogooz is sitting in the middle staring at the wall directly in front of him (as opposed to down one of the routes) while i have a teammates coming from both routes to the middle. He never sits and sprays either route, just waits till they come into the field of view with the wallhack then kills them. Not spraying a route that anyone else would spray (without a wallhack) cannot be explained in terms of voice recon or conincedence. No one would sit in mid, without spraying, while digi has the flag, and allow digi a second longer to begin shooting and be moving at the same time. Digi would win 9 times out of 10, unless whomever is wallhacking.
Now, I wanted to save all of this for the post which included s8n's video of zoogooz, but since everyone forced me to post the demo (which was really my fault for stating it publicly) i had to do it here. I hope everyone who looks at this thread reads every word of this very carefully and doesnt just stop after the first paragraph and write some idiotic reply.
