Author Topic: My coworkers are trying to convince me I should sell Paintball2... (Read 24887 times)

loial21 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:16:36 PM »

Jitspoe, look at it this way. What do you have to loose? Either way you have to worry. As of right now you cant control the admins behavior. If someone can not follow the rules you are 100 dollars richer and have one less person to trust. That simple.

Smokey · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:35:22 PM »

Jitspoe, for a whole clan community..there are really simple ways to do this.
if you wanted to now... www.arena-zone.com

sign up and check it out... u create clans, then invite players.
When you challenge someone, they must only be 10 ranks above/below you and they have to accept it or a forfeit is awarded. That right there is a 200 dollar site..and for DP i would be willing to let you use it jitspoe. You could even make it so that, if someone signs up.. you have to verify that they paid, and only then can they use it as the 'official' clan system.

S8NSSON · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:37:15 PM »

loial it's not as simple as that, and you know it.
My post addressed the developement side of the whole deal.
I'm not developing for free if someone else is making money.
I gladly give what I can to a completely free game in the spirit of keeping it free.

Smokey · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:39:47 PM »

well.. why not make it 100% non-profit? I'm sure alot of people in this community can help. Maybe buy some textures that any map i this game is licensed to use.. maybe a better webserver *wink wink*

S8NSSON · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:45:31 PM »

If i'm going to contribute to a non-profit organization, i'm going to give to The Make-A-Wish Foundation.

loial21 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2006, 07:58:57 PM »

Yeah i was going to mention the old "You never asked for money before" but, yes I know, greed old man, greed. I understand you completely. However, regarding the server side. My point can not be denied.

Make a Wish
S8n, really? My whole family (which works for ATT) donates a percentage to that cause, company philanthropy and such. I thought of you having no soul. You know what? Go to Heaven.

P!nk · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:25:43 PM »

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loial21 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2006, 08:51:37 PM »

As far as hosting the official service, it should not be free. It should be an honor not a privilege. Other than that, have at it. Dear Pink, perhaps I am over zealous for fairness and sportsmanship. To those who believe it should be free to the player to play yes it should. If you want your name associated with a stat and expect to have some sort protections and such protections should be at cost to the players or developers, such costs can be gathered by having official severs. <<<(this passed spel check) *servers

On to S8n's point again Models, maps, textures, skins, etc...That should up to the programmer.

Something like this would be nice. All rights to such works should be forfeited in the name of fairness to Nathan Wolf for the grand amount for $****$ and all proceeds to such parties should be donated in their name to any non-profit originations and a lifetime ‘developer’ status be granted to such persons with impunity, until he or she is found guilty by 2/3 of their peers of any bylaw agreed upon.

Another outside the box idea brought to by Loial

jitspoe · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:04:26 PM »

I won't pretend Paintball2 is comparable to some of the current-gen titles (hey, we don't have XX million dollar budgets and a huge development team), and it wouldn't be priced as such (though I hope some day it will come close in terms of visual quality). S8N definitely highlights some of my primary concerns. Once money gets involved, things get ugly. There are several people through the years who have contributed little bits here and there. I think I'd be best having payments made to Digital Paint rather than me, personally. I honestly don't think there would be enough made off of it to even bother being greedy.

Say the master login server costs $100 a month to run and I charge $10 for logins. I would need an average of 120 people to sign up per year just to cover the cost of that, and that doesn't cover the cost of software I've purchased for Paintball2 development or come anywhere close to compensating me for the time I've put into it. The other option is for me to personally just suck it up and shell out $1200 a year like I've been doing with the EV1 servers, with the help of loial. I'd probably be lucky just to get back what I've already spent.

loial21 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:14:55 PM »

S8n concerns are selfish. Wait! I thought i sent you to heaven. Curses!!

Sumer says no drunk typing.

Good bye. For now.

MaDMaN · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:29:40 PM »

I dont like the whole money situation, i think its kinda crazy, why pay for a game that we are already addicted to, Doing this u may lose half the DP community, the idea is great but i mean u should make a poll for it, like who says pay click yes and people who dont think its a good idea say no,
I dont wanna start a flame or nothing, but i mean u should make a different build or something like b17 you should make it to where pbcup is already in it, instead of a site, you should include it, You will need a "key or password" to get a clan tag, that only clan leaders can have.. kinda like admin on mIRC, u have to have an admin put you on the Admin List,
I think that would be pretty cool instead of paying, and how u login to PBcup u should make b17 like that, u have to sign up and get a email back from them, then get ur password and change it do whatever with it, then no1 can go on stealing passwords.. make it so u can only use 1 name per IP address,
But thats jus a couple of my thoughts on the whole idea, Like i said i dont wanna start a flame fest so i lve it at this Do whatever u feel needs to be done, I threw in a couple of ideas, which i didnt think was half bad, but others might...
|_MaDMaN_|

jitspoe · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:35:41 PM »

Once again, you would not have to pay for the game itself. Please read my first post carefully.

Excalibur · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:42:50 PM »

i think he depends on the cost. and all the money should go to advertising the game to get more players. map makers and others that make stuff for the game make it for fun. there are tons of map makers that make tons of maps for games that the maker of the game gets money the map maker gets nothing. look at the orig quake2 theres thousands of maps out there. most 99% where not done by id yet id made the money. people will keep making maps and other stuff for the game no matter if they don't get paid. i would pay for a system like this. depending on how much it costs. if we can earn something like even $100 then jits could put ads in the paintball zines. or even maybe buy a bunker or 2 with a logo of the game and website on it. and put it on the turny games out there. i just saw a match with dynasty and a few others down in Florida "TV" and it would be really good advertise to sponsor a match or 2 or even just have a few bunkers with the name on it.
in short i like the idea. i would also like to say that you are not paying for the game! you are paying to be in a globel player list. if you dont wish you pay then you can still play. this is not pay and play. i think 1 or 2 servers with the system would be nice the rest reg free servers.

loial21 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2006, 10:58:28 PM »

TY
1. A demo (free service) + servers = More players

2. 'Global Login' + 'Official paying servers' = ($)'Paying' 'responsible admins' and 'players' + 'Ensured updates' = A 'Happy Paintbal'l community which equates to less of Loial's posts on this subject = A 'happier' place for all.

PS I got in trouble for posting this.

Sumer says dont be merry.

S8NSSON · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2006, 11:03:11 PM »

Loial make up your mind dude....

Quote from: loial21 on April 21, 2006, 07:58:57 PM

Yeah i was going to mention the old "You never asked for money before" but, yes I know, greed old man, greed. I understand you completely.

THen three posts later...one of those even being yours...

Quote from: loial21 on April 21, 2006, 10:14:55 PM

S8n concerns are selfish.

Sorry to go off topic, but WOW!

Anyways...go ahead and rock on with it. Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen, eh?

loial21 · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2006, 11:04:55 PM »

I understand your selfish / point. I was hoping greed was not a factor.

S8NSSON · « **Reply #36 on:** April 21, 2006, 11:06:42 PM »

What?

loial21 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 21, 2006, 11:08:41 PM »

Wow what did you not understand?

I understand your point of being selfish (greedy)

You are selfish (greedy)

I will pm you this is clearly a' miscommunication breakdown'

Noob · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2006, 04:09:22 AM »

Jitspoe, Personally, I think the nominal fee for establishing stats and a reserved nickname would work. I don't know if I am ready to look at my stats yet. After all I am still a Noob lol. Looking at most people's situation, if it's not too costly, most people who are serious about the game would want the stats and nickname. Chances are that once someone were able to play for free for a while and started establishing a skill, they too would want to go further into a registration and stature.

I guess in my viewpoint, I am not a super serious player. I love to play but I am not really after rankings and all that. I do however see myself possibly wanting that in the future. It's amazing how human nature can drive people to want to belong to something bigger. I think all people experience that in some way or another.

On a little more off topic note, I'd like to ask you a question. I maintain a few websites for myself and other people. Would you mind if I posted a link to this website on a couple of mine.

jitspoe · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2006, 12:08:49 PM »

On a couple of your posts? If it's not anything paintball2 related, post it in the "other stuff" section.