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IronFist · « **Reply #80 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:20:04 PM »

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Eiii · « **Reply #81 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:26:10 PM »

Even so, I don't think the four to six people on the forum who want an avatar would generate that much money. Really, paying for funnames. And other stuff.

loial21 · « **Reply #82 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:06:47 PM »

Pico,

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It seems to me you have a vendetta against admins and it makes no sense whatsoever why you would want them to be forced to pay a fee.

We can discuss this.

I don't want admins to pay for the game per say. It could be a penny a year for all I care.

Its not the amount sir. Its the commitment to uphold minimal gaming standards. Like cable modems for instance, who can stand the lag. Poor sportmanship (defined by admin)...

Sorry I was not more specific. In my defense, I have posted the advantages of playing AAO on a aasa server.

DP Admins Unite! Wow I just said that. No cares about unity and fairness anymore, but a few hardworking few.

Thus the commitment I spoke of. This game still rocks. I have proof. I DARE ANYONE (EII FYI you don't count) WHO PLAYS ANYMORE TO PROVE ME WRONG THIS GAME SUCKS. Time discrepancy comments will not be validated with a responce.

Doug thanks for disagreeing. You argument was right on and at least you show that you care. I should have been more specific but that was not my focus....as you privately know what was.

More over to the readers. As you can see we don't always agree. But we can talk about it. If you care about the game make the freaking effort if you don't then don't post and just go away.

To my credit I edited out screen shots and demos of my focus.

I also withheld my tongue lashing of oldschool players behaving badly. Which by the way I have for sale at the cost of 2lbs of beans. Proceeds got to the help Loial understand those old school players that constantly act like angry 13 girls who don't get their way. Or worse a pack of 13 male virgins denied love. Which are then farted in their general direction for behavioral correction and the lesson would be this.....A parody on 'SGT Bilko' from 'Stripes'......"Calm down Francis its just a game"

Lastly and speaking of Americas Army (yes again),

If official servers are tied in with global accounts, which they should be. The accounts should also be tied in with forum accounts and login to #paintball. That way we kill three birds with one stone.

Think logic man!!! This is the only way to keep DP as clean as possible. Fast solution to a growing problem and just a suggestion open to whatever.

OK you can boo, .....now.

toM|vendettA · « **Reply #83 on:** October 11, 2006, 08:45:14 AM »

Quote from: loial21 on October 10, 2006, 09:06:47 PM

If official servers are tied in with global accounts, which they should be. The accounts should also be tied in with forum accounts and login to #paintball. That way we kill three birds with one stone.

Forum accounts linking with global login accounts would require lots of modification or a new forum all together, and #paintball is ran by etg, not jitspoe.

KnacK · « **Reply #84 on:** October 11, 2006, 09:52:38 AM »

no, #paintball is ran by Jitspoe under etg.

Jit can do what he wants in #paintball, and it really would not take that much more to ban a user in #paintball automagically if there were a global ban on the servers.

PiCaSSo · « **Reply #85 on:** October 11, 2006, 10:24:55 AM »

No more servers than we presently have for this game, it doesn't have to be that complicated. An "Official Server" should be defined as one that is NOT a cable modem or an equivalent type server. "Official servers" are of the type GRaFFiTi PainT, EV, PBCup, Ch|ll, Qballs, and QTB are. At worst you might require a time limit like 3 months running before servers are considered "Official" but still forcing a fee would be unfair and pointless.

Again, they need not pay a dime to be recognized as "Official" servers as they already pay out the ass to support this game by making it available to the general public as well as the maintenance involved and it's administration. No fee necessary.

The commitment to uphold minimal gaming standards is simply a given and is the sole responsibility of server owners and the people they choose to admin those servers. No FEE is going to deter abusers of such standards. The "commitment" is the in excess of $1000 per year price tag that server owners pay for "official" servers and an added fee would be nothing more than an insult.

In other words, if I were paying my own hard earned dollar or giving my own personal time to provide a place for people to play ANY game, that should be enough to show my commitment to that game and if someone tried to charge me an additional fee after the fact, I would simply NO longer support that game and move to another.

I think that the implementation of the New Global Login system, charging a small yearly fee for it's access, implementing a more attractive donation system, and recognizing those who take part via avatars or whatever are all productive ideas while still allowing everyone other choices.

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Doug thanks for disagreeing. You argument was right on and at least you show that you care. I should have been more specific but that was not my focus....as you privately know what was.

More over to the readers. As you can see we don't always agree. But we can talk about it. If you care about the game make the freaking effort if you don't then don't post and just go away.

We can discuss it indeed and just because we disagree doesn't mean I wouldn't give the shirt off my back to ya Loailypoo.. Knack might even have an extra speedo too LOL...

coLa · « **Reply #86 on:** October 11, 2006, 10:33:37 AM »

simple its just not right to start charging after offering the game free of charge for so many years... even if its a little one time fee... im sure people who have never heard of this game before would be willing to pay to check it out but maybe for some of the older players that might be a different story.. i might not have been around for as long as the rest of you but i for one am not willing to pay especially the way the community is now... thats it plain and simple down and dirty

PiCaSSo · « **Reply #87 on:** October 11, 2006, 10:45:15 AM »

GOOD GOD PEOPLE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT CHARGING FOR THE GAME ITSELF! The only thing you would have to pay for, and by choice I might add, would be your own global login which would/will have many benefits as already mentioned. If you wish to reap these additional benefits then you have the choice to buy your own global login just the same as you can buy a DP shirt. Surely it's not all that complicated?

loial21 · « **Reply #88 on:** October 11, 2006, 07:58:05 PM »

Doug you make a compelling argument I concede your point about not charging to a point.

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No FEE is going to deter abusers of such standards

Its not the fee per say but the status of the server I am hoping that will deter and most important to me is the code of conduct they will be asked to uphold.

I guess the question is what does deter most effectively the abusers? Anyone? I would say a swarm of ants and honey. Anyone else?

PiCaSSo · « **Reply #89 on:** October 11, 2006, 08:02:33 PM »

hahaha priceless!! Hornets!

loial21 · « **Reply #90 on:** October 11, 2006, 09:02:11 PM »

'A Clockwork Orange'. Pavlovian conditional treatment also works.

coLa · « **Reply #91 on:** October 11, 2006, 09:10:34 PM »

no matter what i still think we shouldn't have to pay for anything since we never had to before

loial21 · « **Reply #92 on:** October 11, 2006, 10:49:03 PM »

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GOOD GOD PEOPLE NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT CHARGING FOR THE GAME ITSELF!

Remember that please.

Also this.

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we shouldn't have to pay for anything since we never had to before

When did you have a global login before?

Eiii · « **Reply #93 on:** October 11, 2006, 10:59:48 PM »

I think paying for bonuses is a good idea, but forcing people to pay to get (what's going to be) basic services of the game will drive people away more than make money.

loial21 · « **Reply #94 on:** October 12, 2006, 12:00:16 AM »

Quote from: eiii on October 11, 2006, 10:59:48 PM

I think paying for bonuses is a good idea, but forcing people to pay to get (what's going to be) basic services of the game will drive people away more than make money.

I agree or at least worry about new players being driven away. The older players meh not so much worry, they are hooked.

I think a login with global stats should be the bait is whats needed to hook more players into buying.

toM|vendettA · « **Reply #95 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:20:57 AM »

There could be free2play servers and pay2play servers. A yearly donation of $5 would allow you to play on p2p servers, or a one time $25 fee. pay2play servers would be tracked with stats and rankings, where as f2p servers would remain how they are now.

coLa · « **Reply #96 on:** October 12, 2006, 09:21:01 AM »

never did i once say that jitspoe was charging for the game itself... so you can throw that out the door... I'm saying that since the game has been offered for some many years free of charge ( meaning you didn't have to pay for anything ) i feel it should stay that way... the global login should be offered to everybody without having to pay... and those "extras" you are talking about should also be free and offered to everyone... its only fair because not everyone can spare $...

PiCaSSo · « **Reply #97 on:** October 12, 2006, 10:38:45 AM »

LOL Cola I suppose Jitspoe should send all of us free T-shirts as well... You're missing the whole point and your line of thinking makes me wonder if you're from New Orleans j/k...

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its only fair because not everyone can spare $...

Not everyone would have to "spare" the $ as it would be a choice. If you don't wish to buy your login then you can choose not too but one shouldn't always expect something for nothing.

Now let's talk about "fair" ...

Jitspoe already puts in a huge amount of his own person time AND money maintaining this forum, the game you enjoy, and even servers for the public to play on.

The global login system along with all of it's future benefits will require an even greater amount of Jitspoe's time. Offering it for a small fee is very fairly justified IMHO. If you don't want it then don't buy it and play the game as it is. Nothing unfair about that.

Donations have ALWAYS been welcomed but few ever have. Nothing wrong with rewarding hard work with a donation and nothing wrong with recognizing a person who does so.

Also keep in mind that these are my words and not necessarily what will transpire... These are merely ideas in the discussion phase.

coLa · « **Reply #98 on:** October 12, 2006, 11:41:05 AM »

Quote from: PiCaSSo on October 12, 2006, 10:38:45 AM

LOL Cola I suppose Jitspoe should send all of us free T-shirts as well... You're missing the whole point and your line of thinking makes me wonder if you're from New Orleans j/k...

i knew someone would post something like this and yes i may not speak for everyone but as for me i never got an allowance when i was growing up i never had money for myself i used to get all giddy when my parents would give me a dollar for some candy... just because most of you have money or jobs doesn't mean everyone else does think about it.. if no one would have ever tried to convince jitspoe of charging for the game he would have never brought this up and this discussion would not exist... all I'm saying is think about this very hard because i think its not fair for those people who aren't financially blessed as the rest of you are.. so i say offer it to everyone and for those of you who would like to donate then donate to your hearts comtempt but don't punish others just so you can make a few bucks...

toM|vendettA · « **Reply #99 on:** October 12, 2006, 04:19:36 PM »

Quote from: CoLA on October 12, 2006, 11:41:05 AM

but don't punish others just so you can make a few bucks...

Jitspoe has stayed committed to this game since he was in high school, he is now out of college and in the working world, where time is scarce and valuable. The amount of work that he has put into this game is unthinkable, most mod developers would have stopped long, long ago, he however has kept it going. We are not talking $100 or $50, were talking $5-$20, if he charged every player in dp right now $20 to play it, he would end up with less money than if he had been working for $1 an hour everytime he worked on the game.