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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2006, 08:49:13 PM »
i know what AA is like. iv played it and sometimes still do. however.. it isn't perfect..... its like comparing apples and oranges, you cant do it.

As for Sharon kicking him.. it was a stupid action that you fail to see. you have yet to acknowledge any flaws found with gt.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2006, 09:07:14 PM »
Kind of like I dont go around telling people how you asked if you could make out with me, or if I every kissed a boy, wtf was that? All of this in front of children, which btw should been enough to ban you, but I am not an mad, just married.

DON'T INTRODUCE THE CHILDREN TO THE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE! THEY'LL SURELY BE CONVERTED!
...It's like a cult.
An evil cult.
Eeeeeevil

Two things:
1. Despite the length of your posts, they're pretty much pointless.
2. Homophobia makes you look bad.

(Had to replace 'merry' with homosexual. Because.)

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2006, 05:08:15 PM »
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being a 'fair' admin is all about
Being a fair font admin would be letting everyone play, regardless of ping.

It's like not letting the old people use your bus company because they take longer to walk on and off and are making the trip slightly longer than everone else.

Personally, when I see an admin kicking someone for unfair reasons it just makes me want to not play on those servers.  So how is bad admining protecting your investment if it's turning people of from playing on your servers?


Also, please don't preach to us and compare us to AA with the funding thing.  AA is funded by the department of defense, and no offense to jitspoe or anything but I doubt he could match that to make the superior game model or whatever you are talking about. (I find pb more fun than aa anyway so w/e)

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2006, 06:00:55 PM »
It's like not letting the old people use your bus company because they take longer to walk on and off and are making the trip slightly longer than everone else.

well, not really. in fact, its nothing at all like that..

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2006, 07:27:14 PM »
You invest in the bus, and you don't let the slower people ride it because it marginally affects the other passengers trip.

It's everything like that, why should the people who can't do anything about their oldness not be allowed to ride the bus in the same way as how people on dialup who have bad ping can't do anything either.



This metaphor is silly but it's the same thing.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2006, 07:36:49 PM »
i know what AA is like. iv played it and sometimes still do. however.. it isn't perfect..... its like comparing apples and oranges, you cant do it.

As for Sharon kicking him.. it was a stupid action that you fail to see. you have yet to acknowledge any flaws found with gt.
Stupid? No. Unwarranted? Perhaps. We all have flaws even you, which BTW you have yet to own up to. You could have dropped by vent and helped her out. Why didn't you? Also you base this off what? Knacks post? Even he said he was pinging high as did another player. So high in fact he said it would have been unplayable. You have no argument first because you were not affected. Second because you are not willing to be apart of the solution just part of the problem. Answer this, (all though I doubt you will, you seem to evade every question asked of you) other than calling someone stupid what good have you done to help better DP. I guarantee she is trying to make things better. Something you are not which is evident in the quality of your post.

Apples and oranges are both fruits. AA and DP are both fps. The only difference is in the way the game play is played or the way the fruit tastes. Most gamers in either game have no problems with rules that help ensure lag free gamming. The only ones that do usually have a problem normally have nefarious reasons, including personal vendettas, which don’t belong in the forum. Go to Oprah with that crap

EII.
1. How does any of this affect you?

2.Sexual conduct in a private channel with children is not appreciated, you obviously have no children or simply don’t care what they are exposed to. Now asking for a kiss and asking for a sexual encounter are agreeable different, sorry but Smokey needs to learn that Sharon is not the only imperfect person. Calling her that, is hypocritical, we all make mistakes. BTW As I am sure you know, if I would have made it clearer its not homophobia that I affronted by those who make sexual advances in front of children. That sickens me. What 2 consenting adults do is there business. Agreed? You really should get to know someone before you start being so judgmental. I would be more than delighted to talk to you or anyone anytime (as would any GT admin, BTW I am not one just a friend and clan member), something you need to do before speaking about something you know nothing. Granted I don’t know the q2 engine or its finer points as evident in my posts, but I know enough how to play and how to have fun. Lag for anyone is not fun. Agreed?

3.Now what about my posts are pointless? PM please. I am very curious to see what was pointless. So in the future I can be more on point with you. I had others read it here at work, moderators from the AAO forums, also Punkbusters "Stuart Dunsmore"  and the wife at home. They completely understood ever point I was making and was sadden for me that I took so much time to ask valid questions to all concerned just to have them ignored, something most of you choose to do. So I look forward to talking with you, if you are serious about my post having no merit or point.

Qoo.
Nice alias, do we know each other? Never seen you before, but I am guessing I have.
I respect what you saying about all people being able to play. That is one reason GT does not out right kick dial-up users. Here is problem, (generalized) when the game is played and someone is causing lag on the server or themselves. The admins get complaints about it all the time (something the rest of you ignore due to ignorance or hate) and they do. I have gone to Jitspoe about it. All I got was this ”It’s a networking issue”. I already knew this. Although to his credit I never finshed anwsering his questions about what I run in the background of the game (the only thing I run is Windows 98se) thats all. We ask for a simple reconnect of high pings. Sadly, this is a catch 22. AGAIN WE DON”T BAN OR KICK people for having dail-up or for living in Europe. Other wise as stated before there would be thousands of kicks by now. You do understand that right? This simply will not be tolerated. Plus he was warned. Something I thing the lot you failed to take into consideration or even acknowledge. If the admin wants a lag free game let him. Players have the privilege to play not a right abuse the administrations good intentions which is again something you all are overlooking

Now onto AAO and comments made about it. Department of Defense is funding the deployment and development that is all. Stuff like the forum moderators and server admins do it for free. Again D.O.D does not fund servers nor do the fund AASA the key driving force of its success. AASA runs a tight ship. Something this game needs to take it to the next level (a tight ship). This has more to do with server rules and quality of play rather than anything Jitspoe has done or can do regarding the code. FYI, I try to contribute as much money to Jitspoe’s baby,(ask him) the other scrubs that posted here have not nor do they intended to help, well maybe Smokey.. Not a knock against them, its a free game. But nothing pisses me off more than people who have nothing better to do than run their mouth and not help, which is again something we can all agree is blatant. I am over zealous for a good reason. I care about friendship and good sportsmanship, something that is sorely lacking now. Ask 4thx

I have an idea that I will bring to Jitspoe and Derrek this week.

 If you have a problem on the GT servers we will give you a chance to talk to us about it, rather than spewing hurtful, undeserving comments that have nothing to do with Knack and his complaint. They really need to understand GT more than any clan is now trying to clean things up. When we make a mistake, be patient and don’t act like a fool who had his wang cut off. Because if you look its still there.   


edit. What happens if someone on that bus craps in it and does not stop. What if the people on the bus chipped in to not have slowness (lag not dial-up)? BTW please re-read we dont kick becuase of dial-up or location.
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P!nk

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2006, 07:41:07 PM »
You invest in the bus, and you don't let the slower people ride it because it marginally affects the other passengers trip.

It's everything like that, why should the people who can't do anything about their oldness not be allowed to ride the bus in the same way as how people on dialup who have bad ping can't do anything either.



This metaphor is silly but it's the same thing.

Yes, but the regardless of how old they are, they all pay for that service so that they can take the trip and take as much time as they need. However, in this situation, the users playing on the server owe the admins (or bus drivers/facility that runs buses) nothing, it's a privilege. So if I were to put that in your context: the buses are free, so they can choose to let anyone on and keep whoever they want off to limit the gas prices.

It isn't the same in the fact that you invest money in the bus, but invest nothing in the server.

Eiii

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2006, 09:01:08 PM »
EII.
1. How does any of this affect you?
It really doesn't. But, I'm in here anyway.

2.Sexual conduct in a private channel with children is not appreciated, you obviously have no children or simply don’t care what they are exposed to. Now asking for a kiss and asking for a sexual encounter are agreeable different, sorry but Smokey needs to learn that Sharon is not the only imperfect person. Calling her that, is hypocritical, we all make mistakes. BTW As I am sure you know if I would have made it clearer its not homophobia that I afflicted by its pedophilia. That sickens me. What 2 consenting adults do is there business. Agreed? You really should get to know someone before you start being so judgmental.
I usually think what people say is a pretty good judge of their character.
You somehow tie this in with Sharon. That part I ignored.
I don't see how 'exposing' children to any hint of homosexuality is bad. And what's this about pedophilia? Your sentence makes it sound like you're a pedophile.

Actually, yes. It almost certainly says that, apart from the poor sentence structure.

Granted I don’t know the q2 engine or its finer points as evident in my posts, but I know enough how to play and how to have fun. Lag for anyone is not fun. Agreed?
Lag is not fun. But completely destroying one person's experience for the sake of 4-6 others, when lag doesn't even effect them that much?
(And about your posts being filled with fluff- that could have been reduced to the last sentence alone.)

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2006, 09:16:02 PM »
TWO CENT TIME....................

GT owned servers = they do what they want, how they want, end of story.

Now.........
If we want to get logical here, well then...

Why did kicking people for high pings every start to begin with?
Well i'm no expert (actually I am, but it sounded go to say that), but there are a couple reasons.
1) To keep all players on an even playing field. In large games with 100s or 1000s of servers for that game, kicking a high ping to let a lower ping in made the higher ping go find a server with a better ping giving everyone a better experience all around.
2) In the really old game having a high ping was a twisted advantage to some extent. Low ping shoots at you in one spot, but on you side you are in another spot and don't die. Descent was notorious for this. You could pumel someone only to have them instantly warp to another location because the packets got caught up.

So in a game where you can barely fill even one 14 slot server on any given night, kicking for high ping is utterly rediculous.

TWO CENTS OVER...please deposit another 2 cents to continue....<dial tone>

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2006, 09:18:35 PM »
I want my two cents back.
His ping wasn't that bad- only 200 or so. That's not awful.
And as Knack has said, this is the best ping he gets pretty much ever. There would be no lower pinging server. And if there was, it probably wouldn't have anyone in it.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2006, 09:21:15 PM »
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The admins get complaints about it all the time (something the rest of you ignore due to ignorance or hate) and they do.
Complaints as in what?  People saying omg lag in game?  Because half the time it's used as an excuse for getting shot.

I do live in Europe, and I don't associate the GT servers with lag because I never get it, at all.  Granted I'm not on dial up, but I don't get a ping thats higher on average than any other servers I play on either.  So I doubt the lagging problem is really that severe

If there's something I'm not seeing here (where?) then I take it back.   I just don't experience what you are talking about.

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Now onto AAO and comments made about it. Department of Defense is funding the deployment and development that is all. Stuff like the forum moderators and server admins do it for free. Again D.O.D does not fund servers nor do the fund AASA the key driving force of its success. AASA runs a tight ship. Something this game needs to take it to the next level (a tight ship). This has more to do with server rules and quality of play rather than anything Jitspoe has done or can do regarding the code. FYI, I try to contribute as much money to Jitspoe’s baby,(ask him) the other scrubs that posted here have not nor do they intended to help, well maybe Smokey.. Not a knock against them, its a free game. But nothing pisses me off more than people who have nothing better to do than run their mouth and not help, which is again something we can all agree is blatant. I am over zealous for a good reason. I care about friendship and good sportsmanship, something that is sorely lacking now. Ask 4thx
Yeah, of course people mod and admin for free, because it's fun  ;)

And efficiency of packet transmissions can be fixed in the coding, not that I think there are any problems with it though.


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Yes, but the regardless of how old they are, they all pay for that service so that they can take the trip and take as much time as they need. However, in this situation, the users playing on the server owe the admins (or bus drivers/facility that runs buses) nothing, it's a privilege. So if I were to put that in your context: the buses are free, so they can choose to let anyone on and keep whoever they want off to limit the gas prices.

It isn't the same in the fact that you invest money in the bus, but invest nothing in the server.
Well don't invest on something if you know you aren't going to get a return on it. :)

However, you do get a return from your investment as a server admin.  You invest your time to play on their server and not someone else's.  I'm sure they like people to play on their servers, they don't get monetary return, but hey what fun is paying for it all and having nobody play on it?

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2006, 09:23:01 PM »
...but hey what fun is paying for it all and having nobody play on it?
Tons of fun. Because there'll be no lag! Just think of it! Everyone can have their own, completely lag-free server!

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2006, 09:51:38 PM »
What if one of the bots has 56k?

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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2006, 10:13:57 PM »
Perma-ban. But who needs bots? They just slow down your computer. Way too much, I might add. I keep dying because the bots slow down my computer SOOOOO much.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2006, 10:25:58 PM »
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Complaints as in what?  People saying Mg lag in game?  Because half the time it's used as an excuse for getting shot.
;D Yup!!. That and alot of personal attacks, that should have been complaints.  >:(


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I do live in Europe, and I don't associate the GT servers with lag because I never get it, at all.  Granted I'm not on dial up, but I don't get a ping thats higher on average than any other servers I play on either.  So I doubt the lagging problem is really that severe. 
Really? I live in San Antonio, Texas. I ping under a 24 on light traffic days and 38-40ish at worst extreme conditions. Its not that severe?  What about this? Its about a 6 second glitch. What would happen to someone on dial-up and not broadban. This happens alot more than you think. I have a lot of pictures just like this and all kinds of servers with all diffrent kinds of maps.

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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2006, 12:09:08 AM »
I've never seen/experienced that happening.
EDIT: And I continue to get every other post.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2006, 12:15:29 AM »
Well that is becuase you hardly ever play with others. Would you like to see more? Perhaps you could help.

*edit me 2, just got s8n and eiii retort, way late.

S8n, he was pinging over 600 at one point according to one of his post. She warned him. Do we not agree that could effect someones game play not matter the size of the server? Even Knacks game enjoyment?

Perhaps his ping self corrected. If so all he had to do was point this out and ask how else he could help. Not doing so is "utterly rediculous" Asking someone to reconnect is a safegard against any chance of a crappy game play. What she did was excusable and correctable not 'stupid' or clearly 'idiodic"

 Eii I edited my post about peda whatever. I was at work and was in a hurry to say a lot of things. I dont have time to placate your perferred sentence structure, or taste in length of point. I am not belaboring so bugger of. Also asking someone to reconnect to a normal person should not devestate thier gaming experince, as a matter of fact there are worse things being done in this game. As we all know. It is a simply public request not devestating question. "please reconnect".
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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2006, 12:38:45 AM »
I don't play often, but I've never experienced that when I did play. In the end, it's just 6 seconds of gameplay that you barely lose. Hardly enough of a reason to keep a good number of people from playing.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2006, 01:01:16 AM »
 It was one person mabey more not hundreds. We dont kick people for have pings around 200 or germans etc. We dont like kicking, we like playing.  If GT kicked a good number of people you would have more complaints. You do understand this right? Again read my post, as long as they are there are understandble. It would be better if we could talk. How can we do this? I have access to serveral vent or ts servers.

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Re: All Time Low - GT Servers and Minimum Pings?
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2006, 04:54:57 AM »
Please stop saying I was pinging 600. I was pinging that when I immediately joined the server, not several minutes later of lag free play at under 200 ping when I got kicked.

Thanks