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« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2006, 07:23:08 AM »
OMG we're doomed for sure! It blows me away that anyone could perceive or distort the facts with crap like that Tinman. I think I'm gettin off this subject before I end up with another heart attack lol  Good day!

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« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2006, 08:15:41 AM »
Do you think I want them to die for no reason, cause honestly, what are they fighting for? A LOT of people are high school drop outs who cant afford to do anything else besides go into the force. And thats a fact. You're right, I would never join any sort of military force. I find it absolutely pointless to fight over nothing.
Are that dumb? people who drop out of high school work at Fast Food joints. They aren't fighting over nothing, they are keeping our freedom so we dont end up like Russia or Japan. You want a dictator telling you what to do, when you can work, when you can eat, and when to take a excrement. I sure don't. So stop saying they aren't fighting for nothing. Support your country or go live in Canada.

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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2006, 12:25:37 PM »
max... Do you honestly think one communist country is going to affect America? Seriously, we are the worlds leading economic source, leading army source and more. The fact that we stick our noses in every country's business so we can have more control is the reason were fighting. Fighting for our freedom? Who's threatening our freedom? I support my country when it makes right decisions.  People who drop out of highschool basically have two roads to go down, military and low wage work.  A lot of them choose the military. A lot of teenagers graduate highschool and go straight to the force. I don't care what you or anyone has to say to be honest, call me stupid whatever. I suggest you go pick up a movie called "Why we fight". Then come back and post like a gun toting republican.

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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2006, 12:35:38 PM »
We should pull the soldiers out of Iraq and send them to the moon instead, since, you know, we've never been there before, and they're obviously doing no good in Iraq.

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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2006, 01:32:27 PM »
Do you guys talking crap, even know anyone that is in Iraq right now or was? No! So you believe whatever people tell you, which is bullexcrement. Know what, there are 7 billion people in the world, you think we are going to agree all the same thing. intercourse No! Those Muslims over there hate us! If they had the chance to drop a nuke on us they would.
I'm not saying i agree with going into Iraq, i am just saying support your troops and country.

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2006, 01:51:14 PM »
Jitspoe, I think you should temp ban yourself for making rude references. Tell me why were in Iraq and whats the purpose. Oh yea, to find nuclear weapons DUH!!!

max, why do you think almost every other country in the world hates us?

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2006, 02:20:42 PM »
Ok, I'll admit to argumentum ad hominem, but you never did own up to being wrong about the moon landings, so you've kind of ruined your credibility.  As for why we're in Iraq now, I think it's mostly to help rebuild the country and try to keep it from breaking out into total chaos / civil war.

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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2006, 02:21:56 PM »
I never said almost every other country. I said Muslims over there hate us. We are looking for WOMD because we got info from our operatives over there. But we were also taking Saddam down. We are just trying to setup democracy over there and setup some decent schools so we give those kids a chance too, so they dont end up like their parents, going out with AK-47s shooting people and blowing themselves up.

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SkateR

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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2006, 03:28:31 PM »
Jitspoe, how was I proven wrong. By the way, I was looking for desktop background and came across one of the moon flag and an astronaut, the flag was waving.

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« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2006, 03:45:20 PM »
The flag was waving in a desktop background?  Is there atmosphere in jpeg's too? :)

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« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2006, 04:30:40 PM »
"Most news channels are democrat" Fox news?

"Do you guys talking crap, even know anyone that is in Iraq right now or was?" <-- Yes.


First of all i said most new channels. 2nd of all i was just asking skater if he actually knew someone over there. Cause people who don't know anyone over there shouldn't say we are over there for no reason. Im done with this post, i just asked if anyone saw that image then i got a bunch of crap then i had to post to it, now im just done. No Im not 14.

PiCaSSo

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« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2006, 06:16:57 PM »
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We should pull the soldiers out of Iraq and send them to the moon instead, since, you know, we've never been there before, and they're obviously doing no good in Iraq.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!  Jitspoe, Like Harland Williams in "Rocketman", He Farted!

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Man i feel sorry for this maxpower kid. Probably like 14 years old and completely disengaged with reality. Bet his parents have been indoctrinating him since day 1. Reminds me of those kids in that evangelical  jesus movie. Here's an example of the next generation of kids that will never think for themselves. It's disgusting, really.

DT I feel sorry for those like you who think they know it all.  It seems like the majority of topics that allow a person to voice their opinion are shattered by your response which brings nothing to the table other than insults.  You're a very intelligent person and a d-amned good writer...  Why in the heck do you resort to asinine personal attacks.  Try offering something constructive to the discussion, even if your opinion might be perceived as wrong or different.

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There's no honor, nor respect, involved in going out of your way (overseas) to kill Muslim extremists for their beliefs. The Iraqi insurgents deserve more respect than those going out there to fight them and try to conquer their culture/beliefs.

Tinman I wonder if the only TV station you have is Al-Jazeer.  Where are you from???  That is absolutely NOT the reason our soldiers are over there and that is NOT what they are doing...  Not even way far left congressmen are making foolish statements like that.

Whose freedom are they fighting for?  Ours as well as  Iraqis who were under Sadaam's murderous rein.  Are we forcing a democracy upon the Iraqi people?  Well, over a million Iraqi people voted so some seem to like the idea of freedom and democracy.  Who are our soldiers protecting and who are they protecting us from?  They are protecting US and many of our allies from terrorists like those of 9/11 and so many others.  Terrorists who have considered people of all free countries as the infidels and have been bred to hate and kill you in the name of Allah with the belief that these are the things that will get them into heaven.  This is the way it has been long before we ever went to Iraq.

Although, I think we're in a no win situation over there and the Bush administration has made America look pretty stupid with the way they went about the war in the beginning, one shouldn't forget the good things that we've accomplished in Iraq and the sacrifices that have been made to achieve those goals while in this war against terror.

I don't personally agree with the "world police approach" and while very poorly executed, staging the war over there has kept the terrorist from anymore 9/11 type attacks on our soil.  Sadly though, I think this has only post poned those types of attacks because I don't see a possible way for us to win in Iraq and I don't believe we can afford to fund this war for too much longer.

Regardless, most of our soldiers are Skater's and DT's age and they joined the service to serve their country. I find it sad that while most of us have our feet propped up at the end of a long day stuffin our guts with a hot home cooked meal, they are being killed from roadside bombs or whatever while fighting for something they obviously believe is for the common good of the American people and the Iraqi people..

Those over 100,000 young men and women aren't entitled to their opinions.  Anyone that has been in the service knows once you join the service, you belong to the government and follow the orders of your commander in chief and your superiors.  To insult these soldiers is to insult America in my opinion and that makes my skin crawl.

There are a great many differing and controversial opinions on this subject.  Way too many for us to weed through it all and come to any kind of an agreement.   We have the News channels, the Newspaper and The Internet as resources for our differing opinions. 

What we need all the way around is to stop the ridiculous blame game and insults because that clearly solves NOTHING.  What we need, if at all possible, are viable plans to solve all the problems in our country and abroad.

It would seem that Republicans and Democrats have forgotten "Of the People, By the People, For the People"  They're too busy fighting amongst themselves to do us any good.

Inevitably, America will be her own undoing...

We live in some really messed up times and all this does is gimme a headache...

Let's call this one done! LOL   ;D




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Re: John Kerry and Iraq Soldiers
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2006, 06:32:33 PM »
Regardless, most of our soldiers are Skater's and DT's age and they joined the service to serve their country. I find it sad that while most of us have our feet propped up at the end of a long day stuffin our guts with a hot home cooked meal, they are being killed from roadside bombs or whatever while fighting for something they obviously believe is for the common good of the American people and the Iraqi people..
Yeah, I don't want to join the military due to the abnormally high rate of death in that profession. They chose to join, but they didn't choose to start this war. A pretty good number don't believe in this at all.

"Most news channels are democrat" Fox news?

"Do you guys talking crap, even know anyone that is in Iraq right now or was?" <-- Yes.


First of all i said most new channels. 2nd of all i was just asking skater if he actually knew someone over there. Cause people who don't know anyone over there shouldn't say we are over there for no reason. Im done with this post, i just asked if anyone saw that image then i got a bunch of crap then i had to post to it, now im just done. No Im not 14.

We have a reason to be over there right now. We never had a reason to GO there in the first place.


Honestly? Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451, a bit. How we went about solving this conflict. If we can't find the person we're trying to get, we'll just attack someone else who looks suspicious and blur their face a bit so people imagine that people think that the guy we caught is the guy who attacked us.

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Re: John Kerry and Iraq Soldiers
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2006, 06:41:15 PM »
To PiCaSSo:
I don't know if you've kept up on things...but as you used the past tense correctly, Sadaam isn't in power anymore, so again, Whose freedom are they fighting for? Everyone I know who has been to the middle east in the past couple years has said that they were there to fight terrorists, not the Muslim extremists who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs. Pretty bad when you're in a war and the people who are there to kill you aren't the bad guys, they're just there defending themselves. Maybe thats a sign to start asking questions and holding the bullets until agreements have been reached between the "non-terrorists", and to get internal support on taking down the real terrorists.

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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2006, 06:59:32 PM »
Hi again Tinman:

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"the Muslim extremists who are there from all over the world with the soul purpose of killing Americans who threaten birth-given freedom of religion/beliefs."

They ARE the terrorists and they're NOT just killing Americans!!  These are the same terrorists who have attacked many of our allies as well as over 3000 innocent people on our own soil on 9/11.  We're NOT fighting their beliefs, we're defending ourselves, over a million Iraqi people who want freedom and democracy, as well as many of our allies.

What would you have us do?  Continue allowing them to attack innocent women and children all over the world ALL in the name of their insane and radical birth-given religious beliefs.  That line of thinking is just wrong no matter where you live.

Oh and again, I spend a ridiculous amount of time watching the news from all angles, reading the newspaper and researching the Internet.

I'm concerned just like the next guy...

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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2006, 07:12:46 PM »
So, muslims are the only terrorists?

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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2006, 08:26:46 PM »
Um...PiCaSSo...you need to go outside and meet people, Muslim extremists aren't terrorists, however a terrorist may be a Muslim extremist. 9/11 wasn't "Muslim extremists", it was Al-Qaeda terrorists, HUGE difference.
Of course they aren't just killing Americans, some of them even ARE Americans, they're fighting anyone who threatens their beliefs, whether it be the American "emancipators", terrorist members of Hamas, American Allies, or Al-Qaeda terrorists.

While you're looking for something else to question, read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_insurgency
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism#Uses_of_the_term_in_mainstream_politics
And look into Black Muslims while you're at it, nothing says Muslim extremist like Minister Malcolm X.

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PiCaSSo

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Re: John Kerry and Iraq Soldiers
« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2006, 11:49:23 PM »
Good lord I love how you bend my statements around and make the discussion even more annoying...  No one ever said the the Muslims were the ONLY terrorists and I'm certainly not either Skater and Tinman...

Tinman save the wise cracks like "Um...PiCaSSo...you need to go outside and meet people"  It's unnecessary...

I didn't say Muslim extremist are terrorists but I am saying that those who are coming to kill Americans and other innocent Women and children are.

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"they're fighting anyone who threatens their beliefs,"

Dam all those innocent women and children!

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9/11 wasn't "Muslim extremists", it was Al-Qaeda terrorists, HUGE difference.

What religion do you think Osama Bin Laden is?  Since YOU keep referencing Muslims

The terrorists(notice I didn't use the word Muslim) came to our soil to kill over 3000 innocent people of all races and religions including their own.  You think I should give a d-amned about their beliefs? (the terrorists or extremists NOT the Muslim religion)  They clearly don't give a dam about human life or anyone else's beliefs.  If they happen to be Muslims, I sure the heck did not make a specific reference to their religion as being apart of their terrorist actions.

I have dear friends who are of the Muslim religion, one of whom has taught me a great deal  about their culture and the Quran over the years.  She certainly doesn't agree with the radical views of these terrorists.

It amazes me that you assume that I specifically have something against "Muslim extremist" through anything I have said.  Please don't put words in my mouth.  I could not have put things clearer than I have above and if you'll review your own statement above, it was you who used the word Muslim.

You're entitled to your opinion just as I am mine and as I've already stated, "There are a great many differing and controversial opinions on this subject.  Way too many for us to weed through it all and come to any kind of an agreement.  You can post links all day long and I assure you where this subject is concerned there are links to the contrary of your opinions as well as mine.

I can also assure you that there is NOWAY I'll agree with your opinion as I think you're way out there past the Michael Moore and John Kerry types.  It makes me wonder whose side you're on but frankly I don't care.

DT I will agree that it's not very enjoyable to see some people's radical and extreme views...  This crap is giving me a headache so to Tinman I'll just agree to disagree