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Corporal Perez

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wings 3d?
« on: July 24, 2007, 03:20:36 PM »
What do you export a model as to put it into pb?

Cobo

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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2007, 03:43:35 PM »
If you are using wings 3d you'll want to export to something like 3ds and then use blender to export to md2.

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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2007, 03:57:36 PM »
If you are using wings 3d you'll want to export to something like 3ds and then use blender to export to md2.

Good intention, bad advice.  Convert anything you make to a 3DS, import to Blender, then an SMD using a 3rd party SMD export, then use SKModeler to convert to SKMs.  MD2 is too compressed and not "fully" supported... (Unbelievably low vertices limit)

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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2007, 04:02:15 PM »
Well, I just told him the easiest way to get a model into the game.
I wouldnt advice going for SKM when you're first starting out.

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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2007, 04:06:06 PM »
Well, I just told him the easiest way to get a model into the game.
I wouldnt advice going for SKM when you're first starting out.

I find it more suitable for beginners, seeing as they'll probably try to create some monstrous, vertex-loaded object that will never work in game using MD2's.

Your point is very valid though.

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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2007, 08:16:44 AM »
What is the limit of vertexes for md2?

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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2007, 09:36:04 AM »
From http://linux.ucla.edu/~phaethon/q3a/formats/md2-schoenblum.html:

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INTRO

This page will try and give some sort of technical documentation on the Quake2 model format (.md2).

These specs can be used freely for whatever you want. I only ask that people send me corrections, suggestions, etc.

Quake2 models are stored in files with the .md2 extension. This is a custom format used only by Quake2 and (probably) Quake2 mission packs. md2 files can be generated from various other file formats by tools provided freely by id, in original and modified form. A single md2 file contains the model's geometry, frame information, skin filename(s), and texture coordinates. The file is little-endian (intel byte ordering).

HEADER

The header comes right at the start of the file. The information in the header is needed to load different parts of the model.

typedef struct
{
   int magic;
   int version;
   int skinWidth;
   int skinHeight;
   int frameSize;
   int numSkins;
   int numVertices;
   int numTexCoords;
   int numTriangles;
   int numGlCommands;
   int numFrames;
   int offsetSkins;
   int offsetTexCoords;
   int offsetTriangles;
   int offsetFrames;
   int offsetGlCommands;
   int offsetEnd;
} model_t;

int magic: A "magic number" used to identify the file. The magic number is 844121161 in decimal (0x32504449 in hexadecimal). The magic number is equal to the int "IDP2" (id polygon 2), which is formed by ('I' + ('D' << 8) + ('P' << 16) + ('2' << 24)).

int version: Version number of the file. Always 8.

int skinWidth: Width of the skin(s) in pixels.

int skinHeight: Height of the skin(s) in pixels.

int frameSize: Size of each frame in bytes.

int numSkins: Number of skins associated with this model.

int numVertices: Number of vertices in each frame.

int numTexCoords: Number of texture coordinates (not necessarily the same as the number of vertices).

int numTriangles: Number of triangles in each frame.

int numGlCommands: Number of dwords (4 bytes) in the gl command list.

int numFrames: Number of frames.

int offsetSkins: Offset, in bytes from the start of the file, to the list of skin names.

int offsetTexCoords: Offset, in bytes from the start of the file, to the list of texture coordinates.

int offsetTriangles: Offset, in bytes from the start of the file, to the list of triangles.

int offsetFrames: Offset, in bytes from the start of the file, to the list of frames.

int offsetGlCommands: Offset, in bytes from the start of the file, to the gl command list.

int offsetEnd: Offset, in bytes from the start of the file, to the end (size of the file).

FRAMES

Each frame contains the positions in 3D space for each vertex of each triangle that makes up the model. Quake 2 (and Quake) models contain only triangles.
typdef struct
{
   byte vertex[3];
   byte lightNormalIndex;
} triangleVertex_t;

byte vertex[3]: The three bytes represent the x, y, and z coordinates of this vertex. This is not the "real" vertex coordinate. This is a scaled version of the coordinate, scaled so that each of the three numbers fit within one byte. To scale the vertex back to the "real" coordinate, you need to first multiply each of the bytes by their respective float scale in the frame_t structure, and then add the respective float translation< /a>, also in the frame_t structure. This will give you the vertex coordinate relative to the model's origin, which is at the origin, (0, 0, 0).

byte lightNormalIndex: This is an index into a table of normals kept by Quake2. To get the table, you need to download this zip file (1.7 MB), released by id, that has the source code to all of the tools they used for quake2.

typedef struct
{
   float scale[3];
   float translate[3];
   char name[16];
   triangleVertex_t vertices[1];
} frame_t;

frame_t is a variable sized structure, however all frame_t structures within the same file will have the same size (numVertices in the header)

float scale[3]: This is a scale used by the vertex member of the triangleVertex_t structure.

float translate[3]: This is a translation used by the vertex member of the triangleVertex_t structure.

char name[16]: This is a name for the frame.

triangleVertex_t vertices[1]: An array of numVertices triangleVertex_t structures.

TRIANGLES

Quake 2 models are made up of only triangles. At offsetTriangles in the file is an array of triangle_t structures. The array has numTriangles structures in it.

typedef struct
{
   short vertexIndices[3];
   short textureIndices[3];
} triangle_t;

short vertexIndices: These three shorts are indices into the array of vertices in each frames. In other words, the number of triangles in a md2 file is fixed, and each triangle is always made of the same three indices into each frame's array of vertices. So, in each frame, the triangles themselves stay intact, their vertices are just moved around.

short textureIndices: These three shorts are indices into the array of texture coordinates.

SKINS

There is an array of numSkins skin names stored at offsetSkins into the file. Each skin name is a char[64]. The name is really a path to the skin, relative to the base game directory (baseq2 f or "standard" Quake2). The skin files are regular pcx files.

typedef struct
{
   short s, t;
} textureCoordinate_t;

short s, t: These two shorts are used to map a vertex onto a skin. The horizontal axis position is given by s, and the vertical axis position is given by t. The range for s is greater than or equal to 0 and less than skinWidth< /a> (0 <= s < skinWidth). The range for t is greater than or equal to 0 and less than skinHeight (0 <= s < skinHeight). N ote that the ranges are different than in the s and t members of the glCommandVertex structure.

GL COMMANDS
At offsetGlCommands bytes into the file, there is the gl command list, which is made up of a series of numGlCommands int's and float's, organized into groups. Each group starts with an int. If it is positive, it is followed by that many glCommandVertex_t structures, which form a triangle strip. If it is negative, it is followed by -x glCommandVertex_t structures, which fo rm a triangle fan. A 0 indicates the end of the list. The list is an optimized way of issuing commands when rendering with OpenGl.

typedef struct
{
   float s, t;
   int vertexIndex;
} glCommandVertex_t;

float s, t: These two floats are used to map a vertex onto a skin. The horizontal axis position is given by s, and the vertical axis position is given by t. The range for s and for t is 0.0 to 1.0. Note that the ranges are different than in the textureCoordinate_t structure. They are stored as floats here because that's the way Quake2 passes them to OpenGl.

int vertexIndex: Index into the array of vertices stored in each frame.

MAXIMUMS

Quake2 has some pre-defined limits, so that dynamic memory does not need to be used. You can use these to your advantage to speed up loading if you want.

# Triangles: 4096
# Vertices: 2048
# Texture Coordinates: 2048
# Frames: 512
# Skins: 32


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Re: wings 3d?
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2007, 06:37:33 PM »
Woah that is lower then I thought! Good to know though.