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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: Kyuuchi on January 28, 2010, 09:34:02 AM
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Ok, so GlobalGamers has recently realised that DP isn't what it used to be (to put it in a nice way), and GlobalGamers would like to help as much as possible, in any way, shape, or form.
I was talking with ButtaKnife, and we were thinking of a tournament of some sort. Or perhaps a league/ladder. We also thought of game servers, more IRC features, etc. We figured this might add some spark back into the community, especially the clanning scene. Hopefully involving more clans and players to get more involved, also introducing more players to the game.
So, GlobalGamers wants to know what you want from them. Whether it's some type of tournament, for example, 3v3 cup, 2v2 league, etc. Or some more gameservers (Give specific details, like PGP only, CTF only, etc), new IRC features (Again, some details please!) or even advertising the game more.
Whatever you want from GlobalGamers, please post here and after 5 days, we'll setup a poll for you to vote. Here's the things you can suggest
- A league/cup/ladder/tournament.
- Gameservers
- IRC Features
- Or your own suggestion. (Not listed)
Thanks!
Kyuuchi, on behalf of the GG Staff.
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what is wrong with you?
There are tournaments ran by me, shep/shockwave.
This is just another egotrip for you so you can post about important stuff (like the gg anniversary tournament, where you did nothing to be honest. everything was run by gg staff)
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Im not saying that more cups/servers/features is a bad thing, but let the GG staff speak to the community directly, they know how to create an account!!! Noone cares about you, you have given up on most of the stuff you have tried to make....
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Given the obsolete game engine, crappy community and severe lack of interest of older players, no, there is no way to ¨spark it up˝.
No tournaments will help you achieve this. There have been alot of tourneys lately and how many new players did they attract?
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Bah, haven't seen Blaa posted before me. I might aswell sign his post, I just tried to make it not to hurt your feelings, which is pretty tough.
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Like any old game, the only way to get it bigger is to get more people to download it. Trying to get inactive players active is not the way!
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Im not saying that more cups/servers/features is a bad thing, but let the GG staff speak to the community directly, they know how to create an account!!! Noone cares about you, you have given up on most of the stuff you have tried to make....
Id like to have a Music-Player in IRC, oh and VLC Scripts Support, it doesn`t work with Win7 anymore:(
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Like any old game, the only way to get it bigger is to get more people to download it. Trying to get inactive players active is not the way!
We don't have a quantity problem here, it's a quality one. Putting nostalgia aside, this game was more fun/entertaining/interesting/active and possibly even friendlier when there was only 200 north americans actually playing it with the occassional pub newbs who wandered in from a Q2 server browser.
I really like that pb2 has kept its IRC and clan roots, lots of games these days are just massive pub free for alls. If it were up to a couple people/groups to organize matches and tournaments we would be in a pretty bad state, but the community does a pretty good job of running itself. I'm glad that players can lead and participate in clans, organize matches, and pass on these behaviours to newer players.
IRC Features:
- A match-reserve/rent script that clans can use. The chan admin can add host:ip,rcon_password to their chanserv and it will let people use !match to get a server from that channel.
- Maybe some kind of irc account+dplogin integration. I have my own ideas for this.. but only for a match-tracking type of system.
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Blaa; why are you raging at kyuuchi for attempting to help by posting for them? Get over the fact you don't like him. If anyone else posted you wouldn't of cared. Shk/Shep tournys suck. The details change daily.
Gameservers - A few CTF match servers would be nice. We currently have some, but teams can go on a powertrip over them and ban you for nothing. Like 3iob being banned from uR's. Or Skater being banned from 3iob's over a PUG.
Leagues etc.. can be made by players, but clans change so much that it ruins it. Getting a hold of servers to use aswell. I've had an idea for a league, and I figure theres enough solid clans. But my 'ideas' of keeping people interested involve PHP coding in a website, which I cannot do. Other then little weekend tournaments, theres not 'ALOT' of tournys. We get 1 day tournys. Nothing that keeps even active players interested.
I really like the Match-Reserve/rent feature that XtremeBain mentioned. People have created them, but this would be so much simpler then finding 1 of the 3 or so people who actually know how to make them.
Hmm.. None of these would attract new players, they would just 'maybe' keep the same ones playing. The most usefull would probably be a succesfull league I guess. Since, theres already servers, and the teams paying for them would find this option really dumb.
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The only thing I can see GlobalGamers helping with is advertisement. If they spammed every channel with this website and #paintball info, then it would get other IRC people to join. IRC people would already be a step close to joining a clan if they start playing dp, and they would already be talking in IRC so we'd get to know them quicker...
So, I would say the only thing is:
-Chanserv spam, YA!
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a) a way for people to find matches other than on IRC
- there are now the same people on IRC that were there 2 years ago, so why do you wonder why you only match the same clans/people? If newer players are not attracted to IRC, offer them another way to find a match/participate in tournaments
b) I'm afraid there's no way to make this community "friendlier" :(
c) if jitspoe doesn't develop this game any further (which, in all honesty, he hasn't done in the last year or so - "sounds" and "bugfixes" won't attract new players), this game will die pretty soon, except for people like Rocky and Mosez who just can't let go :) Seriously, if there isn't a major graphical update really quick, along with some integrational features (for players that don't idle on IRC all day), this game is doomed :)
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I agree with you MyeRs, fully.
I also fully agree with b00nlander, until jitspoe develops this game a lot more, or until the game gets a great development team, nothing will happen in this game that's worth playing for.
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the fact that this thread was made by a 12 year old kyuuchi cutie makes it useless. ky just trying to get his post count up lol
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Lol i cant let go ? coming from a 40 year old ? whos still here.
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Rocky, this is a serious thread. Please don't ruin it with your flaming posts..
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yes ! really serious ! every meddling month a topic like this and nothing gets done !!
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A ranked pug setup, kinda like ESEA where you get together in a server and it's scripted so the bgame won't actually start until everyone types .ready and the set amount of players are there. Maybe integrate it into IRC by having a channel for it where people can go in and type a command with a number of players per team and a gamemode (Ex. !pug 4 CTF). For a Deathmatch mode you would naturally just type the amount of players total (Ex. !pug 8 DM). Then it'll reserve a server and send it to the channel and maybe have an option for clan channels to enable pug notices and it can then send it to those channels as well. For the ranking I'm not sure how that would work out. Maybe have it so that people cna link their IRC to their Dplogin (like stated above) and then when they want to participate in a pug have them type another command to join the game (Ex. !joinpug 1). It'll then link that IRC account to the server and wait for that player (logged in of course) to join the server and can then keep track of kdr, Grabs, Caps, etc. and relay it back to the IRC account where it can be stored and people can search people's stats via IRC (Ex. !pugstats skitzo).
Just a thought, sounds like it would take a lot of work but I think it would be a pretty cool idea.
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skitzo's idea sounds awesome, but it seems like a lot of work would have to put into it.
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A ranked pug setup, kinda like ESEA where you get together in a server and it's scripted so the bgame won't actually start until everyone types .ready and the set amount of players are there. Maybe integrate it into IRC by having a channel for it where people can go in and type a command with a number of players per team and a gamemode (Ex. !pug 4 CTF). For a Deathmatch mode you would naturally just type the amount of players total (Ex. !pug 8 DM). Then it'll reserve a server and send it to the channel and maybe have an option for clan channels to enable pug notices and it can then send it to those channels as well. For the ranking I'm not sure how that would work out. Maybe have it so that people cna link their IRC to their Dplogin (like stated above) and then when they want to participate in a pug have them type another command to join the game (Ex. !joinpug 1). It'll then link that IRC account to the server and wait for that player (logged in of course) to join the server and can then keep track of kdr, Grabs, Caps, etc. and relay it back to the IRC account where it can be stored and people can search people's stats via IRC (Ex. !pugstats skitzo).
Just a thought, sounds like it would take a lot of work but I think it would be a pretty cool idea.
We're discussing that idea at the moment, but we don't think that the stats idea would be possible.. We'll keep talking though, and try and find an alternative.
If you think you've found an alternative, please share it with us. ;)
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Well for the stats couldn't you just do something like take the same stats that are saved on the localstats and just make it so that it'll store it on a separate localstats on the IRC account that only records the stats when they're playing in a pug?
I don't know just throwing ideas out there.
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Well, I think I got this right, LoreOfSerpents said that it would be very very very hard to link the NickServ bot with the actual DP Game, and I don't think Lore wanted to make any changes to the NickServ bot.
What we were thinking of was:
Something similar to GameTracker; when you play on the PUG game servers, if you kill 10 people on the name "Example" and if you kill 11 people on the name "Examplee" it would create 2 different types of data, because they are different names. But we thought that if there was a way to make it so that the PUG bot would know the different names on the Dplogin account, all problems would be fixed.. But unfortunately, we don't see anyway of doing that at the moment.
So yeah, we're thinking of doing as you suggested, a PUG bot where a person wanting a game to be setup types "!pug 3 CTF" (the 3 meaning 3vs3) and the Channel topic will change saying "Now registering players, type .ready to join". Once the full 6 players have joined, the PUG bot will message the registered players with the server information, including password and login (It will be a PUG server, not servers such as OTB or 3iob). On the server, you cannot change teams and guntemp will be turned off.
If you connect to the server with a name of "Skitzo" for the first PUG, all your stats will be recorded whenever you use that name Skitzo. So a lot like GameTracker, if you use a name of Skitzo as said above, and then you use a different name of Skitzo? for the second PUG, it will create two different stat files.
The stat files for each name *will hopefully* be found by typing commands such as ".stats Skitzo" (Replace Skitzo with a persons name to find stats) and if you want to find the Top 10 people with the best stats then you would type something like ".top10"
As we said, this is still in discussion. But at the moment, that's the plan. Some people have also been suggesting a DP League hosted by GlobalGamers, and GlobalGamers said they will try and do both of these things for DP.
Thanks.
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A trivia bot in-game pl0x. PLEASE
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Fast connect script
for example if someone pm you a server then you just have to write into a channel /connect 1.3.3.7:11111 password mongo and you ll join automatically to the server
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There is already a script like that, to join a dp match from mIRC. I don't remember what it was though, I had it a long time ago.
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I should clarify some of Kyuuchi's post. :)
Well, I think I got this right, LoreOfSerpents said that it would be very very very hard to link the NickServ bot with the actual DP Game, and I don't think Lore wanted to make any changes to the NickServ bot.
Making changes to NickServ is very feasible. Actually linking the DP and NickServ databases is what I was concerned about, but jitspoe had some good ideas about that.
My confusion about the stats is because I don't really know what the game servers do currently, or how easy it is to extract the stats from them. My assumption was that if it was easy to extract stats upon the completion of a game, the relay bots for DP matches would be relaying final scores.
We might be able to look into adding some functionality to the game source so the game can communicate those stats to a different medium (like IRC). But that's sheer conjecture and I would have to look more closely at the game source code and how the game servers are set up before I could promise anything.
What we were thinking of was:
Something similar to GameTracker; when you play on the PUG game servers, if you kill 10 people on the name "Example" and if you kill 11 people on the name "Examplee" it would create 2 different types of data, because they are different names. But we thought that if there was a way to make it so that the PUG bot would know the different names on the Dplogin account, all problems would be fixed.. But unfortunately, we don't see anyway of doing that at the moment.
After talking to jitspoe, I think we might be able to find a solution that could track stats by DP account, rather than by the name you're using at the moment. :)
So yeah, we're thinking of doing as you suggested, a PUG bot where a person wanting a game to be setup types "!pug 3 CTF" (the 3 meaning 3vs3) and the Channel topic will change saying "Now registering players, type .ready to join". Once the full 6 players have joined, the PUG bot will message the registered players with the server information, including password and login (It will be a PUG server, not servers such as OTB or 3iob). On the server, you cannot change teams and guntemp will be turned off.
Just for clarification, a network bot with this functionality would likely not care what the server settings were. I think ideally, we would offer a service where people could register their own servers, maybe input basic server information so players would know what to expect, and then players could reserve them. At least, I gather from XtremeBain's post that it would be useful to open up a service like this to the community.
I would like to see an example of what a current reservation bot does, though.
As we said, this is still in discussion. But at the moment, that's the plan. Some people have also been suggesting a DP League hosted by GlobalGamers, and GlobalGamers said they will try and do both of these things for DP.
Yay, league! :)
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Just for clarification, a network bot with this functionality would likely not care what the server settings were. I think ideally, we would offer a service where people could register their own servers, maybe input basic server information so players would know what to expect, and then players could reserve them. At least, I gather from XtremeBain's post that it would be useful to open up a service like this to the community.
I would like to see an example of what a current reservation bot does, though.
The server !match bots typically work like this:
- Pick an IP:Port from the list of configured servers
- Check if it was reserved already in the last x minutes, if it was skip to next server
- Send UDP packet to IP:Port with contents ÿÿÿÿstatus (0xFFFFFFFFstatus)
- Parse the results that you read back for the numplayers value (they are in pairs.. like \servername\This is my server name.\numplayers\0\...)
- If the server is occupied, try the next one on the list
- If the server is empty send UDP with RCON commands:
- ÿÿÿÿrcon <rcon_password> set oppass1 "<random_login>"
- ÿÿÿÿrcon <rcon_password> set password "<random_password>"
- Msg this info to the requester, and give them a quick-connect they can copy (/connect <ip>:<port>; password <random_password>)
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Alright, so there was just a big flamefest on IRC about this...
Basically it got out that a league was being done, but not for a while since a PUG bot was first priority. Then the rage about how a PUG bot is nowhere near as good as a league. We've had pugbots, and really they don't get used. But I was told: The community Prefered the idea of PUG's then a League. So, say they both tracked your kdr, grabs/caps etc.. Which do you think should be the priority, and the other one worked on after? Just add it in to whatever you post.
-BTW: It turned out to be false, and they didn't have any prioirty atm, they just want ideas. I just want to see if most people have the same opinion that a succesfull league would be better, or if people rather be able to have PUG's with a PUGbot and script etc.
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BTW: It turned out to be false, and they didn't have any prioirty atm, they just want ideas. I just want to see if most people have the same opinion that a succesfull league would be better, or if people rather be able to have PUG's with a PUGbot and script etc.
Just to emphasize this:
Global Gamers is absolutely not prioritizing one over the other.
Our top priorities right now are the updates we've been working on for the past couple of months. The user-side of the updates will most likely be finished this weekend, but the staff-side of the updates (the updates that make life easier for GG staff) won't be.
What we're looking at is the possibility of adding DP developments to one of our next rounds of updates. We definitely want to know which idea has a higher priority to the general DP community, but other ideas are also welcome, because we can sometimes sneak in the small ideas when they don't take very long to code. :)
Big ideas (like the league and the PUG bot) will take longer. Three months from now would be optimistic for completing either project. A lot of planning/consultation will go into them to make sure we don't screw your ideas up too badly, so please keep thinking of suggestions.
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After talking to jitspoe, I think we might be able to find a solution that could track stats by DP account, rather than by the name you're using at the moment. :)
Good luck. I think I proposed a functionality to query the Global Login Database for such things about.. umm.. 2 years ago? But adding footstep sounds to the game improved DP so much that this wasnt a priority :(
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Good luck. I think I proposed a functionality to query the Global Login Database for such things about.. umm.. 2 years ago? But adding footstep sounds to the game improved DP so much that this wasnt a priority :(
Is it up on the feature vote? Surface-specific sounds was pretty high on the list, plus I already had the recordings, so I implemented it. I can't do everything at once.
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league myers
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myers jigsaw and dystro are not 3iob they are not the only members representing that clan. the reason i banned was for creating pointless drama and trying to say that i share my account. if that is a power trip then it is.
now to the important stuff. matches will not attract newbies. if you want to attract newbies u will have to be nice to every newbie in the pub and explain how irc works vent/teamspeak and help them out. if you get killed by a newb and you go and say ROFL, LMFAO GOT KILLED BY A NOOB. that is degrading and pathetic on your end. instead say ns.
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vLaD: What would you like GlobalGamers to do about that then? Offer lessons to the DP Community on how to be nice? ;D ;D
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vLaD: What would you like GlobalGamers to do about that then? Offer lessons to the DP Community on now to be nice? ;D ;D
kyuuchi do you mean how?
stupid euro.
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lol yes. and newbie training into dp like a help center. explaining any questions. !how to go* fast* or fly*
and it says strafe jump use a or d to while moving and time your jumping.
vLaD: What would you like GlobalGamers to do about that then? Offer lessons to the DP Community on how to be nice? ;D ;D
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OR maybe get friends in real life, then be like "yo, i play this game called Digital Paintball. It is Cool check it out" then they start playing and tell there friends, then there friends tell there friend, then there friends tell there friends
THEN BAM!!!! Dp2 is ON FIRE!!!! or Kyuuchi or who ever could stop trying to build there popularity and start doing stuff not talking about it,
Also all of what kyuuchi is doing in this thread is saying he is gonna do something but as must of us should know that kyuuchi isnt going to do anything but post in here saying "so we are gonna blaa blaa blaa" then a couple weeks later. "oh sorry guys i couldnt do the tourney i was to busy mowing my lawn"
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OR maybe get friends in real life, then be like "yo, i play this game called Digital Paintball. It is Cool check it out" then they start playing and tell there friends, then there friends tell there friend, then there friends tell there friends
THEN BAM!!!! Dp2 is ON FIRE!!!! or Kyuuchi or who ever could stop trying to build there popularity and start doing stuff not talking about it,
Also all of what kyuuchi is doing in this thread is saying he is gonna do something but as must of us should know that kyuuchi isnt going to do anything but post in here saying "so we are gonna blaa blaa blaa" then a couple weeks later. "oh sorry guys i couldnt do the tourney i was to busy mowing my lawn"
Kyuuchi is trying to help out. Leave him alone. He is not actually organising the tournies or such, he was just posting for GG.
A trivia bot in-game pl0x. PLEASE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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OR maybe get friends in real life, then be like "yo, i play this game called Digital Paintball. It is Cool check it out" then they start playing and tell there friends, then there friends tell there friend, then there friends tell there friends
THEN BAM!!!! Dp2 is ON FIRE!!!! or Kyuuchi or who ever could stop trying to build there popularity and start doing stuff not talking about it,
Also all of what kyuuchi is doing in this thread is saying he is gonna do something but as must of us should know that kyuuchi isnt going to do anything but post in here saying "so we are gonna blaa blaa blaa" then a couple weeks later. "oh sorry guys i couldnt do the tourney i was to busy mowing my lawn"
RoBbIe, please don't come in here trying to create a flame-fest or something.. And RoBbIe, at least I'm trying to help the DP Community by organizing events and trying to make things better. I'm not the best IRC Scripter, or php coder. If I was, then I would take these ideas into my own ideas, and try and do something. But unfortunately I can't.
Now, me and ButtaKnife were just randomly talking one time and it somehow came to DP. He said that he, on behalf of GlobalGamers, would like to help DP get a little spark back into the game. Like leagues or better IRC features. I came up with a few ideas, but could not take responsibility for everyones opinion. Which is why I came to the official forums and asked for your ideas. I, would of never came up with a good idea like skitzo's, which is why the community was asked.
I then asked ButtaKnife if he would like me to create a topic for them, he agreed, I asked him what I should put, I did it, and thats how this thread came up. Perhaps this is posting for GlobalGamers, and perhaps I am wrong doing this. But it just makes ButtaKnifes life alot easier. It's the small things that can make a big difference. ButtaKnife has a life to, just like you and me. He has a lot of things on his mind already, which is why I offered to help. As I said, it's a small thing that has made a small difference.
If some people won't believe what I have said on behalf of GlobalGamers, then what do you want me to do? Get an "official letter" from ButtaKnife saying that I was trying to help?
As for some of the tournaments, I have a life. It's amazing isn't it RoBbIe? Some of the tournaments just didn't generate enough interest of the DP Community, and others just conflicted with my family life, deaths and such. Nobody is perfect RoBbIe.. Just remember that. And by the way, what have you ever done for the community thats good?
And just so you know RoBbIe, I'm not wanting you to reply to these comments. It'll just into a flamefest and I don't want this thread to be ruined and locked.
Have a nice day.
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Why would i try to start a flamefest, im hardly ever even on this site, i was just expressing my feeling in this thread, WHAT A PARADOX, i just cant wrap my mind around someone wanting to post something negative against you! I mean cmon all you do is good and benefits this community so much,
P.s Keep uploading your sexy pics, which reminds me i need some more lotion.........