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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: SnooD on November 23, 2011, 06:06:49 AM
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As we all have realized so many people have left DP. Between people getting sick of the game, and just dumb bans. We Really should get people back to playing this game. I think I am right in saying that this game is awesome when all of the player, clan, and matching scenes are back together. I hear lots of complaints about not enough people playing on this game for clan matches and all. We here is an idea people, although that is all true take a look at the clans that are currently active. [ThC, [CC], -uRa-, [ b ], .CRo| and [iD]. Now besides [iD], all of these clans have a decent amount of players in them. Look at [CC] Best clan in DP atm probably agreed, they have got 17 players in that clan. Some of them are inactive. so around probably 13 players active maybe more? [ThC] has got 15 players in the clan plus some inactive leaving it about maybe 12 or slightly higher or lower. -uRa- has got 14 and just about all of em minus 1 or maybe 2 are active. A decent clan ammount of players is about between 6-8. Look how good [CC] is, instead of everybody complaining "oh there are not enough clans in the game the matching scene sucks." How about the big clans like ThC and CC and -uRa- split up a bit and make their own clans. Would help the matching scene, plus if they knew any friends that were bored and wanted computer games to play tell them about this. Half of the people that play this anymore are kids. You go to school don't you? You have friends don't you? LOL tell them about this game. don't let it die it is a great game to play, fun relaxing entertaining. Anyway the ideas that I have are going to be posted above. Vote for what you think we should do, this game needs to come back it used to be so fun. Tell friends on DP to vote on this as well, we could really get a turn around here. I will run the poll for 2 weeks.
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fix the boldness you gotta write ballers as [ b ] lol
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fix the boldness you gotta write ballers as [ b ] lol
dude, seriously I amfix the boldness you gotta write ballers as [ b ] lol
trying to help, for crying out loud everyon B****** about no being enough players and the matching scene needs help, and instead of doing something about it HERE IS THE CHANCE no one votes... w/e not my fault
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I want to vote none of the above.
Advertising is the way forward, bigger flaws with everything else.
And would people want to leave their clan with friends in it and go through the trouble of organising another one..theres not exactly a surplus of players all on at the same times.
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#1 - Advertise the game - Tell friends, tell people in other forums, tell EVERYONE!... I'd also like to see an official game trailer.
#2 - Since advertisement doesn't do enough, teach some newbies, find someone worth teaching and bring them into the matching scene.
#3 - I also agree on having more events and tourneys but few are the people willing/capable of holding such tourneys. (QeHs' and shk's night tourneys used to be fun)
What you said:
"Split up players, make new clans."
I could give you a lot of reasons why that wouldn't work and what was wrong with your post but the point is: It wouldn't work... Keep the ideas coming
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hey thanks all keep the posts and votes coming because i know it might sound stupid or merry or w/e but I want to hold like a little meeting bout the answer on vent or mirc so we can talk about actually getting it done. The spliting up clans was just an idea, i figured most people would not want to do it because they are friends and everything, but if you want the game back bad enough that you complain about it all the matching scene all the time, it is worth it in my view. Anyway thanks keep the posts up.
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I want to vote none of the above.
Advertising is the way forward, bigger flaws with everything else.
And would people want to leave their clan with friends in it and go through the trouble of organising another one..theres not exactly a surplus of players all on at the same times.
yes i was thinking about posting the "Advertisement" poll but i was thinking that who is willing to put money into advertising a game that isn't even a game that you could buy in a store, so so. I was thinking about it, if you want to do proper advertisement you are going to be spending some money, even if you made a free webs pr something it is almost like telling somebody about the game hense option 2. Unless you buy a domain for the website, which will cost money, anyway I will add that option, but I don not have the extra money laying around to advertise for a GAME. Maybe someone else could do it. Jitspoe already has THIS website
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What about another option:Find few people who would organise 2nd clan like some training clan. They would accept few newbies learn them how to play. If we get enough players who would agree on this then we might be able to get matching scene between those "2nd clans" active and not even 2nd clans. Just an idea. Also, I am talking about "2nd clans" becuase i think most people wouldnt want to leave their clans becuase they have friends there as mentioned before.
BTW: I would be willing to make one of these "2nd clans"
BTW2: There are already people who are in 2 clans ([ex] and [ex.b] for example), so why dont make the possibility to make 2nd training clans.
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What about another option:Find few people who would organise 2nd clan like some training clan. They would accept few newbies learn them how to play. If we get enough players who would agree on this then we might be able to get matching scene between those "2nd clans" active and not even 2nd clans. Just an idea. Also, I am talking about "2nd clans" becuase i think most people wouldnt want to leave their clans becuase they have friends there as mentioned before.
BTW: I would be willing to make one of these "2nd clans"
BTW2: There are already people who are in 2 clans ([ex] and [ex.b] for example), so why dont make the possibility to make 2nd training clans.
Yes this has been done before though, you know .ij-t. starz t so on it could work ill add it as an option but idk if its really going to do much because there are not enough players n the game to even make more clans like this, since nobody is going to leave there clans to make more which i think is the option we should all go with, and big deal if there your friends there still going to be your friends, its a clan in a video game we need to do that
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Actually, I wasnt talking about players already involved in a matching scene. I think there is enough newbies(or isnt?) who might like to get on a matching scene. And also every "2nd clan" would have only 1 person who has been on matching scene. So you get 1 leader with 4-6 newbies in one clan. I understand what you mean by .ij-t.(although i wasnt playing when .ij. was active) but i am talking about something slightly different.
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Actually, I wasnt talking about players already involved in a matching scene. I think there is enough newbies(or isnt?) who might like to get on a matching scene. And also every "2nd clan" would have only 1 person who has been on matching scene. So you get 1 leader with 4-6 newbies in one clan. I understand what you mean by .ij-t.(although i wasnt playing when .ij. was active) but i am talking about something slightly different.
could work, its all up to the votes though :) so the more people you tell about the forums...yo uknow
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Your figures are completely wrong. CC has 5-6 active/semi-active players. ThC is about the same. Splitting the clans up won't bring in any more players. If you're not very good then getting tips from better players may help but playing against them helps even more. Learning from your mistakes will make you better. I doubt we can get donors to spend enough money for advertising to more people than we could do for free. Sometimes games die. It happens. I do appreciate your effort and am glad you would like to see this game grow its player base again. I think you need to keep coming up with ideas. For instance, you could go to other fps forums and talk about this game. You could also try to get it to the top page of digg.com again. One of the problems with getting newbies in this game is its very hard to learn so a lot give up quickly. Perhaps a standard instructional video that plays when you first join the game will help this. Also, for getting them into the match scene easier maybe another feature to add should be an in game chat client for irc that connects to global gamer's network. I was suprised when I first started playing this game that there wasn't a chat system in game for people to talk while not playing. Another thing that might keep players around would be more innovative tournaments. An idea that Mythic used for one of their older games was a clan match system that involved a map split into territories. Each territory was a different map of the game, and some territories had the same map as another. You could only challenge teams that had adjacent territories. Whenever a clan lost all of its territories it was out of the tournament. When there were only 2 teams left they voted on a map to play for the championship. Gets some people to donate some prizes and there you go.
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Good post Gonass some of those polls were not originally mine mine ended after the all of the above, after that they were peoples from replies.
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Does no one in this forum use formatting? Wow, this was hard to read.
Anyways, there may be that many players in a clan, but how many do you see at the same time? How many clans look for matches more than 3v3? It's about how many active members are on at the same time. We may have 6-7, but how many people are on at a time? Split those players up, and there would never be enough people on at the same time to match anyways...
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Does no one in this forum use formatting? Wow, this was hard to read.
Anyways, there may be that many players in a clan, but how many do you see at the same time? How many clans look for matches more than 3v3? It's about how many active members are on at the same time. We may have 6-7, but how many people are on at a time? Split those players up, and there would never be enough people on at the same time to match anyways...
Again people, these are just ideas..
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Only 4 or 5 of our (ThC's) players actually play. Most are not active at all, and are only in because they were in the clan and cool to play with when they were active sometime over the last few years. Not many clans could be split right now and still be able to do 3s. I think the problem is, it's hard to get new players interested in a game that isn't the latest console FPS hit (MW3).
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Its hard to get people into the game because when a game is popular, you get player increases exponentially, but when people begin to quit and theres no advertising, theres no influx of new players..time or all of us to get onto other forums and websites and advertise, not just tell our friends.
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Advertise is the best way to promote this game.
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Yeah, I agree that advertising is the way to go. I mean this game is free and i think for most people, if they see an advert for a free game they will think.
"okay its free may aswell try it"
Even if only half who try it stay, if the adverts are in the right places that should really boost the amount of active players.
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The only problem I see here with advertising is that to do it right, you are going to be paying. I guese if you have the extra money for it laying around go ahead.
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do what i do, go on the quake irc and spam dplogin.com. yes you will get banned but who plays poopy quake anyway?
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Get your mom to write it on her boobs and walk around topless for a few days.
Worked for me.
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Get your mom to write it on her boobs and walk around topless for a few days.
Worked for me.
;D Laughed so hard on this, nice.
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The only problem I see here with advertising is that to do it right, you are going to be paying. I guese if you have the extra money for it laying around go ahead.
I agree. I think the price for advertising the right way starts at $10,000. I think that's also a monthly payment or something.
Imagine how much money YouTube partners make off of advertisements.
But if there's enough money, then it would be worth it.
If the game gets popular enough from advertising, then large companies would pay to put advertisements on this website.
This reminds me of a feature vote called in game adds to support development costs.
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Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
just do that everywhere.
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Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
Visit www.dplogin.com for an incredible, fast paced FPS!
just do that everywhere.
IMO, that will just make things worse because its annoying.
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Guys, do NOT do what Foxhound says he's doing, and do not listen to unrated's advice either. It will not work.
If you guys want more people to play the game, help the newcomers out in pubs instead. Don't ignore their questions and don't look down on them just because they're new. That way they'll find the community to be a good one and they'll be more inclined to stick around, and they might even mention the game to their friends in a positive manner.
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Play league of legends :) i liked this game but it will eventually die o.O i would come back to the game. Unban all players give all a 2nd try
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Play league of legends :) i liked this game but it will eventually die o.O i would come back to the game. Unban all players give all a 2nd try
or a 4th in your case...
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Guys, do NOT do what Foxhound says he's doing, and do not listen to unrated's advice either. It will not work.
If you guys want more people to play the game, help the newcomers out in pubs instead. Don't ignore their questions and don't look down on them just because they're new. That way they'll find the community to be a good one and they'll be more inclined to stick around, and they might even mention the game to their friends in a positive manner.
I dunno about that! Ive had people asking me how to set up in the past..but yeah its annoying, I hope people reading realise it was meant as a joke, although saying it once in a channel or forum is no issue.
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i rap aight :
yo im just tryna play dp
then when im done i watch marley and me
but i aint no punk
just cuz my bed is a bunk
we need training clans
to replace all of the bans
and we need sum advertising
cuz sum ppl just aint realizing
that thiss game is worth trying
and yo it dont involve dying
just eliminating
cuz campers always baiting
dp for life
i bet i could steall yo wife
who gon step to me?
ill rip u b4 u count to 3
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do what i do, go on the quake irc and spam dplogin.com. yes you will get banned but who plays poopy quake anyway?
Ummm, if it was not for Quake you would not be here playing in the first place.
IMO as well, DP2 started in 1998 and still has a following no matter how small. I recently went through all the trouble to re install GTA Vice city and MTA for Vice City and found NO servers with players. Doom3 ROE same thing, Unreal even fewer than here. This game is more alive than most online/offline play games so stop knocking it and bashing it and HELP it.
I run a few personal servers and plan to spare a few MB of space to advertise the game ... do not forget when you advertise a 100% free game that is also has NO spyware or adware to install, just game.
In other aspects, if someone who "thinks" they are a rapper plays paintball as well as he raps, he must have some serious laundry to do every weekend!
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I see that the highest poll so far is Advertising, I hope the people that are voting fro that are willing to help advertise lol because I do not know of anyone else that is just going to do that. Costs a lot.
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Not even the most expensive advertisement will get people to this game who are not interested in it. Therefore I 100% agree with Joonas that we should do anything to help out the few that are interested in the game.
This means help them out in #paintball and on servers you play with them. Don't immediately female dog them off if they have a newbie playing style or say dumb excrement. If we want this game to grow (or at least have a stable amount of players), we need to show them the positive sides of DP2, and not just our flaming side (we can save this for later when they're used to it - hehe)
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Not even the most expensive advertisement will get people to this game who are not interested in it. Therefore I 100% agree with Joonas that we should do anything to help out the few that are interested in the game.
This means help them out in #paintball and on servers you play with them. Don't immediately female dog them off if they have a newbie playing style or say dumb excrement. If we want this game to grow (or at least have a stable amount of players), we need to show them the positive sides of DP2, and not just our flaming side (we can save this for later when they're used to it - hehe)
Hence the help noobs in pubs option lol
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I see that the highest poll so far is Advertising, I hope the people that are voting fro that are willing to help advertise lol because I do not know of anyone else that is just going to do that. Costs a lot.
I vote that since Snood suggested advertising as an option, that he pay for it!
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I vote that since Snood suggested advertising as an option, that he pay for it!
Lol again, just like on the other post, read before you comment. You obviously at this point I am assuming that you cannot read. The reason i put advertise as an option there was because someone suggested it to me. The reply is still there, first page. Nice try though :). Read before you post kthnx.
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I recently just read this topic. I noticed you left a option out of your list.
Have the committee do something.
Should have been in there somewhere correct?
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Salary Cap?
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Guys, do NOT do what Foxhound says he's doing HE IS DUMB AND STUPID AND COULDNT OFFORD A PRESCHOOL EDUCATION LEVEL, and do not listen to unrated's advice either. It will not work.
Slander.
on a serious note, some people click on links just to click on a link. it couldnt hurt to go on random forums that you will never use, and NOT spam it, but create a thread with the link and say you will answer any questions about it. and check back within a week.
I think i might test it and ill let you know. Hater
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Another option on this poll should have been:
Fix players attitudes
If players would quit being such negative roosterheads all the time, the game would become more welcoming to new players. Im not just referring to all the spammers and trolls out there, but also those veteran players that think they are invincible for some reason. You know the type, kill them a few times and they start spouting feces like its their day job: "luck" "lag" "fluke" "kid thinks he's good" "bs" "newb, nub, noob, etc, etc". or they just ragequit.
Don't bother replying to these types, their ego is way to big for them to listen, and even if they did they'll try and turn it around on you somehow. Its this kind of bad attitude the drives away new players from sticking around. (of course letting them know the ignore command exists would help a bit)
I realize that players' bad attitudes is a tough thing to fix but if some players just start being more positive, instead of always trying to start excrement, then maybe more people will stick around.
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Another option on this poll should have been:
Fix players attitudes
If players would quit being such negative roosterheads all the time, the game would become more welcoming to new players. Im not just referring to all the spammers and trolls out there, but also those veteran players that think they are invincible for some reason. You know the type, kill them a few times and they start spouting feces like its their day job: "luck" "lag" "fluke" "kid thinks he's good" "bs" "newb, nub, noob, etc, etc". or they just ragequit.
Don't bother replying to these types, their ego is way to big for them to listen, and even if they did they'll try and turn it around on you somehow. Its this kind of bad attitude the drives away new players from sticking around. (of course letting them know the ignore command exists would help a bit)
I realize that players' bad attitudes is a tough thing to fix but if some players just start being more positive, instead of always trying to start excrement, then maybe more people will stick around.
Who is this newb?
Kid thinks he is good...
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Another option on this poll should have been:
Fix players attitudes
If players would quit being such negative roosterheads all the time, the game would become more welcoming to new players. Im not just referring to all the spammers and trolls out there, but also those veteran players that think they are invincible for some reason. You know the type, kill them a few times and they start spouting feces like its their day job: "luck" "lag" "fluke" "kid thinks he's good" "bs" "newb, nub, noob, etc, etc". or they just ragequit.
Don't bother replying to these types, their ego is way to big for them to listen, and even if they did they'll try and turn it around on you somehow. Its this kind of bad attitude the drives away new players from sticking around. (of course letting them know the ignore command exists would help a bit)
I realize that players' bad attitudes is a tough thing to fix but if some players just start being more positive, instead of always trying to start excrement, then maybe more people will stick around.
veteran players don't act like this.
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veteran players don't act like this.
Some do actually, perhaps not people like you, but theres definitely a few that do..i wont say any names..
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Well I have played real paintball since the 80s so I decided to go to all the websites I have used and know of and just ask them if they could plug the game with a link. I even made a banner they could use if interested with the logo up top and the game photo from the news page. I will hear back from some I am sure if not all with a yes or no. Other than NPPL 2009 there is NO other paintball online game and NPPL 2009 is not for PC just Xbox and PS3 so a more open range for them to support the game for. At most in return from some would be them asking here to put a banner link ad for thier site as well so no money transfer between either place, one hand washes the other to help each grow. Hopefully the 5 sites I asked will say yes and we will get new players here very soon. Time will only tell .... keep fingers crossed.
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Should let the game die until the engine gets revamped.
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The game currently gets about 500-1000 downloads per day. While advertisements would help, I think the real problem is that new players aren't staying.
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The game currently gets about 500-1000 downloads per day. While advertisements would help, I think the real problem is that new players aren't staying.
Woah, I had no idea it still got that many.
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The game currently gets about 500-1000 downloads per day.
[sarcasm]
ALL THE BANNED PLAYERS RE-INSTALLING
[/sarcasm]
guess we found the problem ...
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[sarcasm]
ALL THE BANNED PLAYERS RE-INSTALLING
[/sarcasm]
guess we found the problem ...
nigguh the problem was already known ya dig? The only peepz who be stayin are those who r gud, n no1 changes the game to attract new peepz ya kno?
lyke newbs cant fckin hit their head on da muthafukin sky, so adding skyglidin is just another thing thaat makes dem go: WTF LEVITATION HACKS! ukno?
U kno, its pree ez juz to sit n criticize this bisness, but lyk if we juz force dem high res texture swag on downloads, then peeps be not thinkin the game looks like poop on a monitor. Visual aspects is da ish, which includes:
- Better textures
- Better looking player models
- Better-made maps
Now obvz stuff that can reduce lag (since free-small games attract those who do not have a great computer) would be beneficial, as well as "simpler" maps.
Most new maps coming out have 400 paths, you don't need that. These little 'small-narrow' hallways do not add gameplay, it removes confrontation and makes for an path solely used to avoid players. Bases should have max like 4 entrances, and then mid should be max 3 possible paths really. (To mappers - look at maps that stick and base it off that, stop being so complex, focus on appearance! Cusomanswag, if their gameplay didn't blow). Pforest/PP1/S22 etcetcetc
Most of this stuff the community can help with - the only thing Jitspoe would need to do is accept the help. With maps and whatnot if becomes difficult due to server admins putting maps they like rather than what looks nice.
lyke sheeeet dp2, if peepz be downloadin dis game, its obvz da visual aspect n lack of available servz. daz wut da community can help with ukno? but erryone will just troll lyke always l1ol1o1l.
BTW - Players attitudes has NOTHING to do with people staying/leaving. There is no competitive game where the "best" players are best friends to noobs. They don't come on to train people, they come on to ruin new players hopes. They troll new clans etc.. in EVERY game. This game's probably got one of the nicer communities. These URT boiis were very rude 2 me when i first started, i wuz like wtf cmon im new, n dey are like kid gtfo u suck. but now imdabest.
pce
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Sadly Tyrone, this is also how it is in the real paintball world too. All the so called pros out there pwning the new players so bad they do not want to come back again. Then in stagin area you hear them put down the newbies and "high five" for stomping them to death. In the real paintball world this "field" would have closed years ago but being it is the only online field to play at is why it is still here. Why are there no alternatives to play after 20 years of the game being played worldwide. Well nobody wants to compete with a free game that has good gameplay and has what some people want. NPPL 2009 was as lousy as Extreme Paintbrawl and Renegade Paintball. And all 3 of those cost money to get and play. So if people here worked together, it could stay alive because free always wins over pay in computer games.
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lol PGPSandman always starts talking about real paintball, its funny.
Maybe when people first open DP2, in the main menu (play, setup..) there should be a link on the top to some sort of tutorial page where it would answer FAQs like how to register, how to join a clan, or another option that says 'HELP' and clicking that brings up a page telling them how to play..or something to that effect.
and i remember there being newbie servers when i myself started playing, they were pretty good to start things off on..
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For anyone who is not as smart as Narga, NJIN and SnooD, Myers is just making his point that this game needs improvements. I doubt it has any deeper relation with my obvious sarcastic post.
I do support most of his points though, despite having different views on how this needs to be done.
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pgpkid did u lyk completely miss my post???????????????????????? why the fck is real fckn paintball in yer mutharuckin post nigguh? lyk sheet.
OTHER games have worse attitudes than DP2!!! Most games are fckin worse by a lot. DP2 has a lot of 'rage' between established players, or people like Gamabunta ragin at newbies in pubs, but otherwise it's pretty civil to new players. It's more young players we dislike. Nobody likes those annoying 12 year olds who can't type proprley u kno? sht. Go play muthafkin URT or CS:S or GTA or COD etc.etc.etc. so much rage! Dp isn't bad at all, the community is only rude to established players - or complete idiots (Narga/NJIN/SnooD etc..).
Like, there's only 1 NA team that can be considered a "good" team right now, and they probably are one of the most helpful to noobs. I mean, they let Senix, who can't speak english, into their clan for a while. And that kid has downsyndrome. They also run servers, run streams of their games. Sure, they may have specific players who rage or ban people, but it's only really against suspected cheaters or their competition - which right now is no1. The only other good NA players not in that team is shk, and dat kid is a MMA supastar, so u best be scured of him. but all dem new kids on his jockstrap.
Soooo who are these mean people? Euros? Cause, when I clanned with euros, they never talked poopoo at all. Or the noobs who think they are good but are really bad even though they've played like 3+ years? Doubt they can even plow pubs yet, so can't be that bad.
Basically, that useless amount of writing above that could've been summed up supafast is saying our community isn't the problem. It's one of the better gaming communities. It's really the game is outdated and something needs to be done to fix that, if we're truly getting 500-1000 DL's a day, (I don't believe that), than something is making them leave. So, it's either: Lag / Game looks like trash / Didn't understand how people were flying / didn't like the game
Well, 3 of those 4 are fixable. 1- Improve FPS etc.. (Quick partial solution: make fps-improving cmd's more accessible, searching forums is annoying with the lack of moderation this forum gets). 2- NICE Hr4 ON DOWNLOAD! - Pretty simple, there's enough "okay" packs right now (OTB's etc..) that could be put up till a better one is made, anything is better than default. 3- Tutorials - Chem was trying to make youtube ones, that with the help of others could've been really good. To bad nazi flip banned him from forums. Posting basic youtube tutorials on the website main page would go a long way - infact just a non-horrible main page on the website would be a nice upgrade, but that's little tweaks.
pce
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I will be creating a new server simply designed to be simple and oldskool, think syncmasters cable. I run a multigaming community and hopefully we'll see a lot of our members coming across and starting to play DP2.
I will need a few admins so feel free to PM me if you're interested.
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Make sure you promote IRC usage as well. irc.globalgamers.net is the server.
I don't think there aren't enough dp players. I just don't like it that IRC has been losing users from the euro matching scene. I don't know why people don't use irc so often anymore. They just chill in vent/ts3 or even worse, get their matches from public servers. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that irc integrates the matching scene a lot better, is easier to use and creates a healthy matching scene.
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Maybe something like an ingame scrim command would help?
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It's easier to have a window of irc open (demands less resource) than have paintball2 window open.
IRC is superior and that's how the cookie crumbles