Digital Paint Discussion Board
Development => General Development => Topic started by: jitspoe on February 09, 2012, 12:46:17 AM
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Somebody has contacted me offering some options for mutual revenue. I told him I'd run it by the community (that's you) before implementing anything like this, so here we are.
At first he suggested a browser button that lets you monetize on searches. He gave this as an example: http://www.facebook.com/FaceSmooch . I'm not really sure how that would work with Paintball2. The only thing I can think of is maybe some kind interface to the server list..? I personally don't use those kinds of things, to be honest. Maybe somebody could come up with a practical use that would make it worth installing.
The second suggestion was something called "Better Installer". This link has some info and a video: http://betterinstaller.com/ . He said DVDStyler is another open source project that uses it. I haven't had time to check it out yet. Basically, it offers the option to install some other software when you run the installer, and we'd get paid when people choose to install it.
Thoughts?
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Basically, it offers the option to install some other software when you run the installer, and we'd get paid when people choose to install it.
Thoughts?
who's we? and does that make the game free still?
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who's we? and does that make the game free still?
Myself and the company that runs the installer service. The game would still be free, and this could help it stay free in the future, as money made from this would help cover the costs of the servers and other things that I pay out of my own pocket. I've spent thousands of dollars at this point.
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i think anything could help and this is a great start. DO IT.
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As long as BetterInstaller is legit (no malware, and the possibility to decline the installation of the added software) I think it's a great idea. If they pay high enough to cover the server costs, great. And if you get even more, maybe you can get some higher poly gun models done on commission while you roll around in your pile of e-dollars? :)
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At work so I can't check out the facebook link.
BetterInstaller looks like a great way for you to cover some costs.
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I don't see that "install these extras" scam generating much income.
If you had thousands of people installing every day, maybe.
Personally I despise developers that try to scam me into installing some toolbar by having the option already selected and leaving it up to me to click to NOT install these things.
Jitspoe, I agree that you've shelled out a lot of money for this game, but is it realistic to expect to generate anything worthwhile?
As far as generating enough to contract the creation of new weapon models...
There was, not sure anymore, enough talent in the community to get this done. I offered to redo all the models for free, but never got the nod. I certainly wasn't going to create them on the chance they "might" be used. That's a lot of work. Moot point though, I haven't modeled or textured in years.
Good luck!
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I don't understand the first thing. The facebook page has only a few images, what should be special there?
I can't believe that you can get much money with the installer. Why should somebody install software xyz while installing the game? I saw it in a few installers, but i don't like it.
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I don't understand the first thing. The facebook page has only a few images, what should be special there?
I can't believe that you can get much money with the installer. Why should somebody install software xyz while installing the game? I saw it in a few installers, but i don't like it.
didn't understand a lot of it either, but I suppose it's some freeware you're getting with the installment
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From my understanding, you have a browser plugin that has some functionality (in that case, it's smiley faces for facebook) and a search bar, and when people search with it, you get revenue from ads.
As for the installer, they claim you can get like $1000-$2000 a month. He has a trial thing set up for me, so I could set up a separate installer just to see what it's like.
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Go for it, if it doesnt work out, you can always stop it later. May as well try it.
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Jits, we will click it and use the search for you like 1000 times so you get a excrement ton of money.
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"Access to the web page was blocked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.The web page is on the list of websites with potentially dangerous content."
I couldn't check out better installer :(
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"Access to the web page was blocked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.The web page is on the list of websites with potentially dangerous content."
I couldn't check out better installer :(
Hm, that doesn't sound good.
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Better at least try it. You'll get nothing if you don't try anyway...
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I haven't had a chance to integrate it with the current installer, but here's how it would work with the download manager:
http://downloadcdn.betterinstaller.com/installers/a/9/DigitalPaintPaintball2_downloader_by_DigitalPaintPaintball2.exe
I asked about the virus issue, and he said he's in contact with ESET regarding the issue. Apparently it also has false positive issues with parts of download.com as well.
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Can it detect if the game is installed and download the update instead of the full install automatically?
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I'm not sure. I haven't had a chance to actually do anything with it. I'm super busy at work now. Can't even keep up with email/forums/pms.
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If I was going to significantly monetize paintball, I'd take the existing GLS and implement purchasable in-game perks. Ideally the kinds that don't alter gameplay. Get people to give you $5 for some extra content instead of $0.10 for converting on an adware install, $0.05 which goes to you. That sort of thing. Just a standard freemium model -- works for plenty of other games.
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And if you really want to screw us over, make DPoints which like 5$ gets you 1300 DPoints and to put your name on your jersey costs 1400 so people are forced to buy more and THEN they have more left over after buying the name on the jersey and not enough for anything else, which forces us to have to buy MORE because people think "well I already have some in my account soo why not get more?"
This is how games today work. meddling annoying
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But it would prevent multiaccounts :P Or want you buy something for 10 accounts?
5$ = 500 points would be easier.
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From a dev. standpoint, I'd contemplate the ideas for purchasable perks and the installer.
Sure, it may give people spyware, but it is their duty as the user to know what they're installing.
If they "fell" for it, they'll fall for it on tons of other things as well.
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From a dev. standpoint, I'd contemplate the ideas for purchasable perks and the installer.
Sure, it may give people spyware, but it is their duty as the user to know what they're installing.
If they "fell" for it, they'll fall for it on tons of other things as well.
If the only standpoint a developer used was his own, he'd be very short sighted and selfish. The correct standpoint is the one that takes everyone affected into account, no matter what position you're in.
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If the only standpoint a developer used was his own, he'd be very short sighted and selfish. The correct standpoint is the one that takes everyone affected into account, no matter what position you're in.
I was offering my opinion as a developer of video games as well. If trying to make money is selfish, every single company, game developer, game publisher, etc. is selfish. You'd also be selfish by working a job instead of trying to live off the earth and volunteer all of your extra resources and free time.
You're short sighted imo.
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joonas.. why u hat3'n?
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Foxhound, because I don't like this line of thought at all:
Sure, it may give people spyware, but it is their duty as the user to know what they're installing.
Adding a combo packed installer designed to trick hasty, inexperienced or non english speakers into filling their computers with stuff they weren't after is wrong. If you don't have it in you to be as upfront with your customers as they'd like about what they're getting, you suck. If you try to force products upon people that don't need them, you suck.
I was offering my opinion as a developer of video games as well. If trying to make money is selfish, every single company, game developer, game publisher, etc. is selfish. You'd also be selfish by working a job instead of trying to live off the earth and volunteer all of your extra resources and free time.
You're short sighted imo.
I don't think that making money is selfish. I'm just picky about the way you'd go about doing that. If the install process was made with the user's well being in mind, then it would be fine to cash in from it because it'd be an exchange that everyone is supposed to profit from. If it's made to trick people into accepting stuff, then I don't see why you'd deserve to get any money from doing that to people. The people tricked are the ones who should be getting the money.
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Foxhound, because I don't like this line of thought at all:
Adding a combo packed installer designed to trick hasty, inexperienced or non english speakers into filling their computers with stuff they weren't after is wrong. If you don't have it in you to be as upfront with your customers as they'd like about what they're getting, you suck. If you try to force products upon people that don't need them, you suck.
I don't think that making money is selfish. I'm just picky about the way you'd go about doing that. If the install process was made with the user's well being in mind, then it would be fine to cash in from it because it'd be an exchange that everyone is supposed to profit from. If it's made to trick people into accepting stuff, then I don't see why you'd deserve to get any money from doing that to people. The people tricked are the ones who should be getting the money.
Ever bought something because it was on sale? You were tricked. Its not a trick to tell them what they're installing; its is being up front with them. Just uncheck the box if you don't want the extra software. Also, to be a customer you'd have to buy something. This is a free game. You're not a customer.
Hate to tell you this, but almost every thing you download now has extra software in it. That's why there's usually an option to do "Custom" install instead of "Basic" or "Recommended."
If the only standpoint a developer used was his own, he'd be very short sighted and selfish. The correct standpoint is the one that takes everyone affected into account, no matter what position you're in.
I also never said not to take anyone else's opinion. I just offered mine.
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Suggestion: InstallIQ. It's one of these things, but it's verified by TRUSTe apparently, so it won't install malware at least. Saw it while installing CoreTemp.
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I think a great way to make money is by making people pay for multiple acounts. You have to pay for every account you want to have except for the 1st one.
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I think a great way to make money is by making people pay for multiple acounts. You have to pay for every account you want to have except for the 1st one.
it's been discussed.