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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Rick on August 06, 2013, 08:25:23 AM

Title: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Rick on August 06, 2013, 08:25:23 AM
BANNED TEXTURES:
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ALLOWED TEXTURES:
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WAITING FOR APPROVAL:
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Alright guys, thought I'd take some of the ideas from the recent posts about textures.

I'm not too sure if Jitspoe will be okay with this or not, so let's just hope.

How this works:
-You take a screenshot of the texture you are wondering about.
-You come here and post either the name of the texture/s or describe them.
-Map Committee/Committee/Community voice their opinions on the texture and whether they think it should be allowed or not and why.
-I make a list on the first post with what we have come up with; if none/most of the community said NO to a texture, it should go straight to the BANNED textures, else it should go to the WAITING FOR APPROVAL part, where Jitspoe can review and have the final say. If Jitspoe says yes, it goes to the ALLOWED, if not it goes to the BANNED.

Why do this?
The community seems to be going nuts over textures, if we just have this single topic, people can come here and be like "Oh, so I can get banned for that texture!" and not use it and no one will have any excuses.

Wait, you can get banned for Textures?
Yes you can. As we can change textures ourselves, a lot of people take advantage of this and use it to get advantages over other players.

What about the Official Texture Pack?
Well, it's not finished yet and I don't see it being completely finished anytime soon! Also, the Official Texture Pack will only be featuring textures from pball (from what I know) and that means a lot of textures will not be remade.

Who does this?
Like I said earlier, we as a community will voice our opinions on textures posted and I will put them under either BANNED or WAITING APPROVAL. Then that's when Jitspoe comes in with the final say.

Rules?
1. Jitspoe always has final say, period.
2. Follow forum rules.
3. Be nice.
4. If you're unhappy with the communities decision, PM me and I (Or someone deemed worthy) will review the decision and decide whether to leave it in Banned or move it to Waiting for Approval.

Feel free to ask any questions in this thread, I'm happy to try to answer them and if I can't, someone else probably will! Also, leaving some feedback will also be very handy, please try not to flame though.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Rick on August 06, 2013, 08:25:29 AM
Example Post:

Texture: pball/brl2
Description: I was just wondering if the barrel texture I used is allowed? Thanks!
Screenshot is attached.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: luckmore on August 06, 2013, 12:59:07 PM
Do you really wanna tell me to check forums and each texture every time?
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: pvtjimmy on August 06, 2013, 01:01:48 PM
Do you really wanna tell me to check forums and each texture every time?

Instead of being mad already, did you think about a better alternative for the time being?
Please stop just posting because you don't like something, post a better idea instead!
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: SeQuAL on August 06, 2013, 01:06:49 PM
lol good idea rick but so much effort involved and if everyone uploads every texture known people are going to get confused. I think jits just needs to make his own darn thread.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: TiMe2ChilL on August 06, 2013, 01:10:59 PM
That's cynical. Don't act like experienced player can't distinguish textures giving an avantage from those who don't
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Clipz on August 06, 2013, 01:28:57 PM
I'm down to do this. I can spend some time working with this.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Aveiro on August 06, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
I'm asking if Sunman's hr4 textures are bannable. Becouse i used grasses/walls from them and they "gave me advantage". And why other people aren't banned too then.

Most likely i used this wall and this grass.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6315/k6v9.jpg
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Foxhound on August 06, 2013, 01:51:24 PM
lol good idea rick but so much effort involved and if everyone uploads every texture known people are going to get confused. I think jits just needs to make his own darn thread.

People know which textures they want to post... the kind of ones aviero used for instance..
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: JMR on August 06, 2013, 02:01:18 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/vTfBFmS.jpg)

Is that box texture allowed? (from asrca's texture pack)
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: T3RR0R15T on August 06, 2013, 02:58:09 PM
@Aveiro: The wall should be ok (in my opinion), the grass could be a bit bright.

@JordanMRichards: Maybe post a screenshot of the box (instead of grass and wall), its hard to find :P
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Rick on August 06, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
Do you really wanna tell me to check forums and each texture every time?
Come on. You guys complain about not knowing what will get you banned, so I made this thread.

lol good idea rick but so much effort involved and if everyone uploads every texture known people are going to get confused. I think jits just needs to make his own darn thread.
Well, it's just going to be a lot of effort at the start as there isn't many custom textures in the game.

I'm asking if Sunman's hr4 textures are bannable. Becouse i used grasses/walls from them and they "gave me advantage". And why other people aren't banned too then.

Most likely i used this wall and this grass.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6315/k6v9.jpg
Even though I hate that wall texture, I wouldn't say it is bannable. Though I would say that grass is, as it is a bit too bright.

Is that box texture allowed? (from asrca's texture pack)
My opinion would be that it's not allowed as it's very light compared to the original. [Link] (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=26239.0;attach=10527;image)
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: MyeRs on August 06, 2013, 05:02:06 PM
I'm confused, did textures just suddenly become unfair? I think it was Superman's pack that had the grass Aveiro posted on numerous maps. He posted screenshots comparing his textures to Jitspoe's in the "official texture thread" - and it was never said to be illegal. This was maybe like 1 year ago? What in the last year happened that changed all this?

I think priority shouldn't be everyone changing their stuff now, since I bet half the community uses spartax/sunmans etc.. textures. It should be focus on finishing HR4 pack, make that pack mandatory - (force on download or something) - and make it so you cannot modify it without receiving a ban.

Cause almost every texture gives an advantage in comparison to the original ones.

But for this thread I think the main goal shouldn't be everyone saying: "is my textures good?" - cause only Jitspoe knows whats bannable. If people want to be 100% safe, get Jitspoes textures. We should find the textures we KNOW are illegal. (Ie - parts of sunmans/spartax's, neon grass, bright barrels)
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Rick on August 06, 2013, 05:19:18 PM
I'm confused, did textures just suddenly become unfair? I think it was Superman's pack that had the grass Aveiro posted on numerous maps. He posted screenshots comparing his textures to Jitspoe's in the "official texture thread" - and it was never said to be illegal. This was maybe like 1 year ago? What in the last year happened that changed all this?

That is exactly my point, I didn't even see that post and I doubt many other people did. I made this thread to keep track of unfair textures, as you probably know you can get banned for having unfair textures.

I think priority shouldn't be everyone changing their stuff now, since I bet half the community uses spartax/sunmans etc.. textures. It should be focus on finishing HR4 pack, make that pack mandatory - (force on download or something) - and make it so you cannot modify it without receiving a ban.
So you're suggesting to let the community have a sort of "anything goes" approach at textures until the Official is finished? We all know Jitspoe wouldn't allow that, seeing as people have already been banned for their textures. I agree though, make the Official mandatory as soon as it's finished.

But for this thread I think the main goal shouldn't be everyone saying: "is my textures good?" - cause only Jitspoe knows whats bannable. If people want to be 100% safe, get Jitspoes textures. We should find the textures we KNOW are illegal. (Ie - parts of sunmans/spartax's, neon grass, bright barrels)
Yep, that's why the textures will first go into the "WAITING FOR APPROVAL" list until Jitspoe get's a chance to look at them.
That's kind of the point of this thread, for Jitspoe to actually say "Nope, not allowed to use that one".
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: luckmore on August 07, 2013, 05:10:45 AM
Meh that sucks.  I believe that alot of guys will quit when official ones come out. There were already guys leaving when the new physics came. And Dp:p started to be fun again.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: luckmore on August 07, 2013, 03:25:34 PM
http://ic3x.de/

check seldas, homies, and ascras textures out, there are screenshots
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: jitspoe on August 07, 2013, 04:44:20 PM
As a general rule of thumb:

Take a screenshot.

gl_highres_textures 0
vid_restart

Take another screenshot and compare the two.

If the textures look pretty close, you should be fine.  If not, you should probably change them.  If you really like the textures and feel they're better than the official textures, post about that texture (or textures) in the official HR4 pack thread (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=22225.0).  In the mean time, I guess you can post a screenshot of the low res and textures you want side by side here, but I'd much rather focus on improving the official pack rather than approving alternatives.

Really, everybody should use the official HR4 pack as a base and only use custom hr4 textures for the textures that have not been completed yet.  Provide feedback on the textures you don't like.  When the official pack is completed and enforced, you really have no right to complain if you provided no feedback.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Foxhound on August 07, 2013, 09:17:31 PM
for some weird reason, that link to the thread is bugged for me. Says unauthorized do you trust it? to which i immediately exited out.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Cameron on August 07, 2013, 09:41:59 PM
for some weird reason, that link to the thread is bugged for me. Says unauthorized do you trust it? to which i immediately exited out.
https, you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: ascraeus on August 08, 2013, 02:15:34 AM
http://ic3x.de/

check seldas, homies, and ascras textures out, there are screenshots

uhm actually, they arent mine, i just chose texts which i liked most from sunman selda etcetc
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Rick on August 11, 2013, 11:47:49 PM
http://ic3x.de/

check seldas, homies, and ascras textures out, there are screenshots

I'll have a look probably next week! Pretty busy atm.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Narga on August 12, 2013, 12:56:04 PM
Maybe there should also be a list of texture packs that are allowed/not allowed.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: pvtjimmy on August 12, 2013, 01:21:02 PM
Maybe there should also be a list of texture packs that are allowed/not allowed.

what do you think this thread is all about :)
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Narga on August 12, 2013, 04:13:57 PM
what do you think this thread is all about :)

People asking if individual textures are allowed. Which is inefficient in my opinion. It would be much better if the original post had a list of allowed/not allowed texture packs.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Cameron on August 12, 2013, 04:27:03 PM
People asking if individual textures are allowed. Which is inefficient in my opinion. It would be much better if the original post had a list of allowed/not allowed texture packs.
People chop and change.  Honestly it should be official textures once they're available to stop the fuss.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Narga on August 12, 2013, 06:55:47 PM
People chop and change.  Honestly it should be official textures once they're available to stop the fuss.

But I think a list of allowed/not allowed textures should be up there in the meantime.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: MyeRs on August 12, 2013, 07:41:20 PM
But I think a list of allowed/not allowed textures should be up there in the meantime.

Have you not read this thread at all? There is NO WAY to make a list of every texture that is legal/illegal. The point is, anything that gives an advantage / doesn't even nearly resemble the default (low-res) texture can be considered illegal. But there's no set line, and until there's an enforced pack it will ALWAYS be subjective. Using stuff far brighter than default version can result in a ban.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Narga on August 13, 2013, 02:05:29 AM
Have you not read this thread at all? There is NO WAY to make a list of every texture that is legal/illegal. The point is, anything that gives an advantage / doesn't even nearly resemble the default (low-res) texture can be considered illegal. But there's no set line, and until there's an enforced pack it will ALWAYS be subjective. Using stuff far brighter than default version can result in a ban.

What about that texture pack that contains those illegal baby blue and pink barrel textures? I'm pretty sure that texture pack is clearly illegal and should obviously be added to a list of illegal texture packs.

Maybe when people upload a picture with the texture they're wondering about they should also specify which texture pack they got it from so that texture pack could be added to a list of illegal texture packs.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: UnRateD on August 13, 2013, 06:44:44 AM
ARE SUNMANS LEGAL

ARE SUNMANS LEGAL

pls tell me, and if parts of the pack are illegal, tell me that too.

I like Jits' pack, but sunmans is hotter.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: MyeRs on August 13, 2013, 07:55:34 AM
What about that texture pack that contains those illegal baby blue and pink barrel textures? I'm pretty sure that texture pack is clearly illegal and should obviously be added to a list of illegal texture packs.

Maybe when people upload a picture with the texture they're wondering about they should also specify which texture pack they got it from so that texture pack could be added to a list of illegal texture packs.

The point is it's subjective ffs. No community member can say for certain that something is illegal. And Jitspoe's time is better spent fixing his pack than going through this thread to say whats legal. As you can see from Aveiro ban thread, people don't agree on whats legal and what isn't. The baby blue barrels aren't from a specific pack, so no you can't just ban that pack. Only older players tend to have it cause they used to be considered legal.

Most packs provide some advantage over Jitspoes - if you want to be 100% save use Jitspoe's, anything else can be a risk. However, the risk is minimal until a texture pack is enforced (Unless the pack you're using is ridiculously advantageous.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: jitspoe on August 14, 2013, 04:58:39 PM
ARE SUNMANS LEGAL

ARE SUNMANS LEGAL

pls tell me, and if parts of the pack are illegal, tell me that too.

I like Jits' pack, but sunmans is hotter.
The super-light grass in that pack is about to become illegal.  Please provide feedback in the official HR4 thread (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=22225.0) on textures you would like to see improved.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: UnRateD on August 14, 2013, 05:27:21 PM
The super-light grass in that pack is about to become illegal.  Please provide feedback in the official HR4 thread (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=22225.0) on textures you would like to see improved.

thanks, and will do
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: rockitude on August 19, 2013, 08:47:52 AM
I found a screenshot of another player and I'm not sure if this textures are allowed.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Aveiro on August 19, 2013, 11:58:42 AM
Somebody also sent me his sshot of pforest. I think it's amazing.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Rockyar_96 on August 19, 2013, 12:44:06 PM
i guess those are not allowed ^^
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: atmays on August 19, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t112/atmays/sshot0003.jpg)

Well since we are talking about textures. Are the compressed textures now illegal? I've been using them for years and I was told (by jitspoe once upon a time) that they were legal. Also, Are the crates in the screenshot legal? I got them from a pack a few years back, cant remember which one. I don't want to be banned for them, so a little clarification would be great.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: not_payl_obviously on August 26, 2013, 08:17:20 AM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/281tsg7.jpg)
What about this wall texture? I think banana might be a little bit too bright but i want to be sure.
Seems like we all have texture cheats installed by jitspoe himself.
(In case you wonder, not trolling, just making fun of new texture rules)

EDIT: Hr4 version of this texture plx
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Cameron on August 26, 2013, 04:08:11 PM
Quote from: not_payl_obviously link=topic=26267.msg237564#msg237564 date
What about this wall texture? I think banana might be a little bit too bright but i want to be sure.
Seems like we all have texture cheats installed by jitspoe himself.
(In case you wonder, not trolling, just making fun of new texture rules)

EDIT: Hr4 version of this texture plx
Everyone gets the same textures on april fools, so its still fair ;)
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: not_payl_obviously on August 26, 2013, 05:22:08 PM
Everyone gets the same textures on april fools, so its still fair ;)
On my Polish windows i don't get it on first of april (at least few times ago if i recall correctly) as it's coded wrongly, and in Poland we don't call this month "April", oops!
And screenshot you see hasn't been taken on first of april, oops 2x! :) Yeah i have hacked version of ref_pball that gives this every single time... And no, jitspoe protection doesn't give a excrement about this...
Sounds like a problem to me.

EDIT: And what if let's say i by accident change my time to first of april? Oh, everyone you say? I don't think so.

EDIT2: As this forum lack some real paintball code, here is relevant part of ref_pbgl assembler code (nice names added). You can clearly see that comparsion is done on strings, and i don't think we call this month "April" everywhere, do we?
Code: (assembler) [Select]
push    offset aApr01   ; "Apr 01"
mov     edx, [ebp+Date]
push    edx
call    strcmp
add     esp, 8
mov     IsAprilFools, eax
cmp     IsAprilFools, 0
jz      short Skip_Banana
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: TiMe2ChilL on August 27, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
If you want to play the douche, at least use some better example for your "criticism", not these shabby dark textures where no one can see where one wall ends and the other starts
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: jitspoe on August 28, 2013, 10:47:08 AM
rockitude: Those are kind of a grey area.  It's not that there's an obvious advantage, but the colors are pretty different from the original textures.  I would prefer that you just use the official ones and provide feedback on what to improve if there are things you don't like.

Aveiro:
(http://static3.fjcdn.com/comments/Not+sure+if+pingpong+ball+or+extasy+to+girls+cup+_c769085a4950ad515c1a3f89c6d1fb21.png)

atmays: The crates look really light.  I would change those.  I'm not sure why you'd want to use the low res textures in the hr4 dir.  Does that not look really bad to you?  And things like the flag texture are just broken...
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: rockitude on August 28, 2013, 11:56:54 AM
rockitude: Those are kind of a grey area.  It's not that there's an obvious advantage, but the colors are pretty different from the original textures.  I would prefer that you just use the official ones and provide feedback on what to improve if there are things you don't like.

I asked for someone else. I use the official ones since they appeared.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: atmays on August 30, 2013, 12:35:14 PM
atmays: The crates look really light.  I would change those.  I'm not sure why you'd want to use the low res textures in the hr4 dir.  Does that not look really bad to you?  And things like the flag texture are just broken...


I think the compressed low res textures are better for my eyes. I will switch out the crates ASAP.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: Smacker on August 30, 2013, 03:07:39 PM
By the way I still do not get why Jitspoe and committee are dealing with this. Since there is no official league or cup where players could get disqualified or banned, why are players getting banned for textures? Everybody has a chance to change the textures and if you find somebody with some bright textures, just do not play with him. I understand why multiaccounts are banned, but these things.. What about crosshairs  or double jump script? Start spending your time on improving the gameplay, not community.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: jitspoe on September 04, 2013, 10:52:30 AM
The line has to be drawn somewhere.  People don't like playing against players that have an unfair advantage.  How would you know if they have unfair textures so you can avoid playing against them?  Being able to see players better gives you an advantage, just like wallhacks or aimbots.  How much of an advantage is debatable, but it is there, and it upsets some people.
Title: Re: Are My Textures Allowed? (Ask within)
Post by: not_payl_obviously on September 04, 2013, 12:56:59 PM
The line has to be drawn somewhere.  People don't like playing against players that have an unfair advantage.  How would you know if they have unfair textures so you can avoid playing against them?  Being able to see players better gives you an advantage, just like wallhacks or aimbots.  How much of an advantage is debatable, but it is there, and it upsets some people.
I understand your point of view Jit, but i think right now you are going way "ban everything that isn't official". I agree light-color barrels made big change, but i don't think it's case with grass that's a little lighter than original.
I think that textures that have color quite close to player textures of certain teams should be controlled a bit, but we don't have team green...
Anyway another issue is that players have brightness set up very high, and for example: i cannot complete towerjump because it's simply too dark for me, and most players do it, because their brightness is set very high, even author was not aware that it is simply too dark under normal brightness settings... I think that this should be next issue to resolve...