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Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: gonass on November 05, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
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Congrats vT [picky, rockitude, prozajik] on winning the tournament! You guys get servers hosted by Clipz and $250 USD.
Special thanks to Clipz and JMR for hosting servers, Myers for help with coordination, blaa for blaa, and a very special thanks for everyone that participated or showed interest.
Results can be seen at http://dpholidaytourney.com (http://dpholidaytourney.com).
Sign your team up here. I'll probably leave the signups open until we start the tournament.
The dates of the tournament will be Jan 3rd. and Jan 4th. The tournament will start at 12 PM EST each day, unless the teams scheduled to play all show up early. Half of the tournament will be played on Jan. 3rd and if possible some of the 2nd half will be played on Jan. 3rd, time and player availability permitting, while the rest will occur on Jan. 4th.
Please provide the following:
Email - Each player
IRC Name - Each player
Team Name
Players (3 minimum, 2 subs allowed)
RULES -
No cheating, ofc. This not only applies to hacking, but purposeful disconnects, server admin abuse, etc.
Rounds are best of 3, normal matching. Servers will be clan prozak and JMR's EU. Each team will choose their own map. Each team is allowed one map reset per best of 3 map match before the match begins by both teams joining on the appropriate colors. Tie maps will be chosen elimination style from the map pool. The team that gets the most points on the maps leading to a tie gets to pick the server of the approved servers to play it on. The team that does not get to pick the server gets to pick the color on the tie map. A team can not pick the same map consecutively in matches. For instance, if a team picks crimethink for a match, then for the next map they must select something else. Two, or four, of the maps will not be announced until the day of the tournament.
Prize - $250 USD for the winning team. Cold hard cash, in the form of a Visa gift card or paypal. Split up how every many ways as players on the winning team, unless requested otherwise.
In addition to the cash prize, Clipz will host match servers for the winning team.
Maplist -
carpathian
pbcup_renoir
mystique
pbcup_pforest
tatras
duck_fix
ruggedcountry
macabre
twiling
Teams
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.vT.
There will probably play:
picky / qwertzuii@web.de / IRC: picky
rockitude / spani3n@googlemail.com / IRC: rockitude
prozajik / / IRC: prozajik
Maybe we will add sub players later.
rox / IRC: rox / basti-gontar@hotmail.de
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ThC1
GoNAsS - purgatoryisplain@gmail.com
Foxhound - purgatoryisplain@gmail.com
Deranged - purgatoryisplain@gmail.com
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ThC2
Senix -
Peppah - willysc04@gmail.com
Spawn -
Jigz -
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[aT] Absurd Threat
Overused
Inler
Reptyle
mkbwe
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What The ____?
Roster:
MyeRs
Shk
Nick123
Ascra
Aveiro
Coach and Manager: Joseph "TiNi" Depalma.
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Team xXx
-btQ / o.alan@wp.pl
-veQ / ernest.grzelak@zst.radom.pl
-looking for 3rd pro playaah to our team
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Team: .c2o|
IRC Names/ Mails:
- Boyka / Boykadp2@gmail.com
- Squeeze / squeezedp@gmail.com
- JeongWa / jeongwa@live.fr
Roster:
- Boyka
- Squeeze
- JeongWa
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[4b]
soulo
sl4
shock
flukek9
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.oXz.
ond
obi
sadlair
Streem
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Psycho Ballers
juic3
SHEP
Chalk
Primo
Bundy
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Team: Strong Synergy Winning / [SSW]
IRC Names/ Mails:
- Boyka / Boykadp2@gmail.com
- Squeeze / squeezedp@gmail.com
- JeongWa / jeongwa@live.fr
- Bundy / alessandro.corte@windowslive.com
- Shock / nnevres@bih.net.ba
Roster:
- Boyka
- Squeeze
- JeongWa
- Bundy
- Shock
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Sign up .vT.
There will probably play:
picky / qwertzuii@web.de / IRC: picky
rockitude / spani3n@googlemail.com / IRC: rockitude
prozajik / / IRC: prozajik
Maybe we will add sub players later.
rox / IRC: rox / basti-gontar@hotmail.de
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Sign up Team SoloMyers (name might change if teammates dont approve)
- MyeRs
- CheMiCaL
- Shk
- (Will be adding 1 or 2 subs)
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Team xXx
-btQ / o.alan@wp.pl
-veQ / ernest.grzelak@zst.radom.pl
-Sata / kowlaik1@gmail.com
na servers or eu?
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Anyone want to pick me up for this thing?
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250$? legit? is there an entry fee
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Anyone want to pick me up for this thing?
If you want some free money you can join in with me/shk/chem, doubt Chem will be able to make it.
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Sign up Team SoloMyers (name might change if teammates dont approve)
- MyeRs
- CheMiCaL
- Shk
- (Will be adding 1 or 2 subs)
are you forgetting some1
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Please make the tourney be on December 22 or December 23 :)
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Sign up team Made in Brazil MiBR
-Overused
-Conca
-Hox
-Shw
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na servers or eu?
Both. Teams can agree before the match how to handle which one is which, or if they can't decide then the team who gets the most points on the map they won gets tie map on their server.
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Would recommend to ONLY use servers with new build. (new physics)
If you're running a tournament, might as well promote what Jitspoe has done. Most servers already have this, but Prozak's do not. Would recommend avoiding Prozak servers unless they update. (it's also annoying if playing versus europeans, switching servers from one ping to another, plus one physics to another). Keep it steady with the most updated builds.
Also, when is the date coming out? Personally would prefer 3rd/4th weekend of January. Gives plenty of time to prepare, still during the holidays, and avoids everyone's differing schedules with their families/friends right around Christmas.
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Personally would prefer 3rd/4th weekend of January. Gives plenty of time to prepare, still during the holidays, and avoids everyone's differing schedules with their families/friends right around Christmas.
I wouldn't consider the end of January a holiday. I think you're going to be disappointed if you hope for that late of a date. That would basically be the start of the semester for most students and would still have work. The point of a tournament during December is that people won't have work/school during most of it.
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END of january? 3rd/4th is start of January.
Look at the calendar before responding.
Most people get a 2 week holiday, the week of Christmas and the week of New Years. This falls within that 2 week span. I would imagine the Christmas week causes people to be busier. (Anyone working retail, family events, etc...). But the week of New Years shouldn't have as much going on, because people only really do stuff on New Years for that week. So I figure an end-of-holiday day will have the least amount of busy people. Weekend before/after Christmas might prove harder to have people.
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Personally would prefer 3rd/4th weekend of January.
Look at the calendar before responding
I should probably double check my posts before I act like a female dog for no reason
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I wouldn't consider the end of January a holiday.
he meant the weekend which is on 3rd and 4th of january you dumbfook
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Actually Chalk the post can be interpreted the way I meant, as well as the way he meant. The only difference is reading my post I think it's pretty clear which one I was talking about. And also realizing it's a holiday tournament, I think that makes it even more clear. So my post was perfectly fine, and my response to stupidity was equally justified.
I thought you made a post about quitting the game, making fun of the people who play still? Oh, deleted it and didn't quit. Okay.
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Team OldSchool [Team-os]
- C1ox
- Scizox
- Bio
- maybe adding subs
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If Jan 3-4 don't work, I'm ok with moving it. I just want to have as many teams as possible attend.
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I think the only days that actually work (given it's a holiday tournament) are 3/4 and 27/28
The 20/21 weekend will likely have a lot of people moving back home for holidays. I believe most "exam" periods for north american schools run until the 19th, making 20th the day they travel home.
Maybe put up a vote to see what days people rather? Also, considering both NA and EU will participate, have to figure out what a good starting time is. Is it going to be single day or 2 days? (Start time likely around noon-1pm EST allows euros to play 5-6pm till 10pm their time).
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In the poll, most people voted for end of December so I guess 27-28 would be best, but I had a few requests to do the weekend after (Jan 3-4).
I think 12pm EST would work fine. It shouldn't take too long since there's not a TON of teams.
Sorry Shk, forgot to reply to your query. Its legit and there's no entry fee. I'm a kind person some times.
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i'm away till the 29th :( i kinda like the 3/4 of jan idea
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Maybe make a poll with those 2 dates.
Personally I'd prefer 27-28 because i won't be able to play on 3rd of January :(
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this is so dumb... everyones complainin about the 2 weekends... noones interested in a weekday tourney?!?!?!?!!?
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this is so dumb... everyones complainin about the 2 weekends... noones interested in a weekday tourney?!?!?!?!!?
A weekday.... People could have school... And or work...
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Dooci, you can't please everyone with timings. When I ran GGDPLeague some europeans complained because he was a weekend event for the playoffs - where it has to be evening for them (due to timezones). But, if you do weekdays, NA's who work 9-6 can't be on till after 6pm, which is after midnight for EU.
When you have mixed tournaments weekends are the only thing that works. It's not mandatory to participate. But weekends will appeal to the majority, therefore get the most participation. As of now it already has 8 teams.
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Maybe make a poll with those 2 dates.
Personally I'd prefer 27-28 because i won't be able to play on 3rd of January :(
So be it.
Go go gadget poll creator!
Make it so #1.
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Any map list yet?
Is every match going to be Bo3 or Bo1?
Is it process of elim for tie if Bo3? Is it process of elim for Bo1?
If its Bo1 how do you do EU vs NA?
If its Bo3 + Double elim, that's going to take like 10hours to finish the tournament.
It'd be cool to get some information as the tournament is approaching, and teams would likely want to familiarize themselves with everything. Information would be appreciated.
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Since your putting up money I think you should wait to release the map list and make it set maps for the rounds... Maybe force people to play something other then the same old excrement thy play everyday.
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Since your putting up money I think you should wait to release the map list and make it set maps for the rounds... Maybe force people to play something other then the same old excrement thy play everyday.
That would make sense if the game were growing, trying to expand maps used. And in theory I like it as it forces teams to "learn" maps. But with NA/EU server switching, I don't like that idea much.
But using money or not is irrelevant to doing that. Using money increases the competitiveness and participation (im sure people are more likely to do something like book off work, or clear their schedule when theres a big prize offered). But using money, to me, seems like trying to make the tournament more intriguing to the community - so why do something that may be less intriguing because of it?
IF Bo1 I'd say: Make 5 to 7 map list, players do process of elim with team closer to top of bracket eliminating map first, final map gets played. (PROBLEM: NA vs EU server issues) -- And in this, final still Bo3
IF Bo3 I'd say: Make map pool, 7 maps, each team picks theirs and tie is done with elimination. IN THIS CASE I WOULD NOT DO DOUBLE ELIM. Double elim will make it too long. I prefer the Bo3 double elim setup - but with NA/EU it provides problems. Single elim Bo3 is likely the best option. (If you're interested in continuing tournaments in DP, maybe even cut the prize in half for this tournament, and use the other half for a tournament lets say end of Jan/Early feb. Try to have some monetary tournament every 1-2 months to keep people having a reason to play. Might work to prolong competitive scene - people seem to come back for tournaments.
That being said - adding a few less played maps is a great idea, gives "lesser" teams a higher chance by trying to go for those maps. Pforest is probably the most played map right now.
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PS: I recommend using cP servers if they update to the newest build (currently on old physics) -- or using Supermans if he changes the ent files so you don't respawn with carbines.
uR servers are nice for NA teams vs NA teams, but Europeans ping significantly higher. Considering both EU and NA will participate, might as well use servers that compromise best. (EU gets 160 average ping on uR, and 110-130 on super/cP)
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I don't see any way of getting around Bo3, since its mixed NA and EU. I'm thinking double elim, just to give everyone more matches to play.
Still deciding on handling the map list.
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Double Elim Bo3 is going to take a LONG time, might have to do 2 days (you said you could do it in 1) - because can't get too late for Euro's (ie playing at 2-3am for them isnt fair)
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So is this a basic tournament rules ? If yes then maybe only the final should be in Bo3 to make it more fair since the servers matters alot.
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Double Elim Bo3 is going to take a LONG time, might have to do 2 days (you said you could do it in 1) - because can't get too late for Euro's (ie playing at 2-3am for them isnt fair)
That's why I put 2 day periods in the poll.
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I will update my servers for this.
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I will update my servers for this.
Thanks man. It'll be great to get some server owners to dedicate their servers to this. I was going to set up my own, and still might, but OVH virtualization sucked for hosting.
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Superman's servers rock, best servers. Whenever I match on cP servers, we usually end up switching to Superman's because of the server lag that is some times present. Though, that might change.
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I wouldn't recommend otb servers too because of weird lags.
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JMR has EU servers that he has used in previous tournaments and has had no complaints about anything.
In fact, like cP/Supermans, they ping well to NA's (or atleast better than OTB's).
I'd recommend Supermans (if ent files fixed) or cP (if updated to new physics) + JMR servers for euro server.
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I can host some.
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One kind of important rule, which i have never really seen sorted out for NA vs EU matches. What if the map diference is the exact same? For example EU team wins 50:30 and than NA wins 30:10, then the diference is 20. Using the 'higher points' is not fair, because of map choices. I guess redoing the match is one solution, but what if this goes on and on and you ran out of maps? ^^
I know that this scenario is pretty unlikely (to ran out of maps), but the only possible solution i can think of, is that if teams tie with the point diffs, they should then eliminate the rest of the maplist to leave just one map and play this map on both NA and EU server and play it until one of the teams gets higher point diff. Unfortunately, this could get kind of boring and might be a disadvantage for one side or the other, because if you play the map for the first time, you might be adjusting to the way the map plays, etc.
If Clipz updates his server, than i am all for his servers for these mixed matches. Ping there is really nice for EU. Just for godsake please not uR, i dont wanna play tourney with 180 ping, but i guess they would work for NA vs NA matches.
For the EU vs EU, OTB's have some weird lags as MrPeach said, i have no idea what it is, but from time to time it starts lagging horribly, then it fixes itself and is fine for a week even. So rahter ic3y's servers or JMR's.
For NA vs EU, as i said, if Clipz updates his servers than Prozak's servers and either JMR's or ic3y's
I can host some.
No offense, but your servers cant handle high amount of players. I went to your speed once and i had packet losses every second (it might have been just me, but i went to arctic server after that and didnt get single packet loss there)
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TL;DR for Gonass so he doesn't have to read through every post:
Server issue:
uR = high ping for euros, unfair for tournament
OTB = supposedly random lag spikes
JMR Server = best euro server to use ping-wise
Prozak/Superman = Good for EU and NA, but need updating. (Prozak update physics, Superman change ents)
Clipz said Prozak will update, so NA servers are set with Prozaks.
I can talk to JMR and update this post.
TIE MAP FOR NA VS EU ISSUE:
Determining tie = point differential
What happens if point differential is the same? (Ie 50-20, 40-10, 30pt diff).
Need a set-in-stone means of fixing that.
EACH DAY
Are you going to have a set portion of the bracket played Day1 and another set portion played Day2?
Or a time limit on Day1, once a certain time is reached the bracket stops till the next day?
TO THE COMMUNITY:
If you have not read yet, the original post was updated and the tournament is: JANUARY 3 AND JANUARY 4, AT 12:00PM EST / 9:00AM PST
EDIT: And thanks Gonass for making a tournament with a substantial prize pool to actually make people want to come back to play the game.
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I would highly prefer supermans server! They are by far the best servers for EU.
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Adjust Team Solo Myers to: What The ____?
Roster:
MyeRs
Shk
Dystro
Ascra
Aveiro
Coach and Manager: Joseph "TiNi" Depalma
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One kind of important rule, which i have never really seen sorted out for NA vs EU matches. What if the map diference is the exact same? For example EU team wins 50:30 and than NA wins 30:10, then the diference is 20. Using the 'higher points' is not fair, because of map choices. I guess redoing the match is one solution, but what if this goes on and on and you ran out of maps? ^^
I know that this scenario is pretty unlikely (to ran out of maps), but the only possible solution i can think of, is that if teams tie with the point diffs, they should then eliminate the rest of the maplist to leave just one map and play this map on both NA and EU server and play it until one of the teams gets higher point diff. Unfortunately, this could get kind of boring and might be a disadvantage for one side or the other, because if you play the map for the first time, you might be adjusting to the way the map plays, etc.
I can write a little program that just randomly picks one in that case. They'll just have to PM me on IRC and I can run it to determine who gets tie server. I thought about doing the same thing to have the maps randomly assigned so there's no hours lost bickering over tie. Wasn't sure if everyone would go for this or not.
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TL;DR for Gonass so he doesn't have to read through every post:
Server issue:
uR = high ping for euros, unfair for tournament
OTB = supposedly random lag spikes
JMR Server = best euro server to use ping-wise
Prozak/Superman = Good for EU and NA, but need updating. (Prozak update physics, Superman change ents)
Clipz said Prozak will update, so NA servers are set with Prozaks.
I can talk to JMR and update this post.
TIE MAP FOR NA VS EU ISSUE:
Determining tie = point differential
What happens if point differential is the same? (Ie 50-20, 40-10, 30pt diff).
Need a set-in-stone means of fixing that.
EACH DAY
Are you going to have a set portion of the bracket played Day1 and another set portion played Day2?
Or a time limit on Day1, once a certain time is reached the bracket stops till the next day?
TO THE COMMUNITY:
If you have not read yet, the original post was updated and the tournament is: JANUARY 3 AND JANUARY 4, AT 12:00PM EST / 9:00AM PST
EDIT: And thanks Gonass for making a tournament with a substantial prize pool to actually make people want to come back to play the game.
I'm down with prozaks and JMR's. Would you might getting a hold of JMR and taking care of the logistics?
There's only 7 teams and usually a few don't show, so I think we could do at least half of it one day and half the other, but if everyone's on we might as well do as much as we can the first day.
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There's currently 7, with Oldschool and Team xXx being the only ones who I would say aren't 100% , everyone else I'd assume 100% shows. This is with c2o (formerly SSW), STaRz, SanC, and sPec not signed up. Hopefully they all sign up, pushing it to a 8-12 team tournament.
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I'm unsubscribing team [SSW] From the tournament for Replacing it by .c2o| .
The current roster have changed due to behavior and a ban.
Team: .c2o|
IRC Names/ Mails:
- Boyka / Boykadp2@gmail.com
- Squeeze / squeezedp@gmail.com
- JeongWa / jeongwa@live.fr
Roster:
- Boyka
- Squeeze
- JeongWa
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Gonass: If you have a maplist, process of elimination makes it so there's no bickering.
Odd numbered map list (5-7 maps) - Team A picks theirs for their map, Team B picks theirs, so (3-5 maps remaining) - For tie map, Team A elims a map, then Team B elims a map, until 1 map remains, that map is tied. Fair as both teams eliminate an equal amount of maps. This method has been used in almost every recent tournament and always works, no arguments in regards to maps.
No need for random generator or pre-selected tie maps.
Random generator only useful incase of teams ending with different point differential to decide server for tie.
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Team sPecial (#sPec#)
IRC Names/ Mails:
- JMR / paintball@jordanmrichards.com
Roster:
- JMR
- Fluk3
- Omni
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JMR - Reference servers, are you willing to supply your servers for the tournament? Asking on behalf of Gonass
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Nice to see Jordan!
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Adjust team Made in Brasil to=
Friends Never Die FND|
Overused
Conca
hox
Juiicy
Shw
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Another thing i didn't see sorted out in terms of rules, who gets to pick a color in tie map. I guess one logical way would be that the team which didn't get the server gets to pick color. Also would be a good idea to note that the each team gets to pick color on the opponents map. Might seem unimportant, but in some maps (eg. pbcup_sassault) color can make tons of difference and not only in terms of weapons.
And one more thing, before we get into this tourney, make sure entities are same for both servers. For example on otb servers we got synchronised entities, meaning both teams get same weapons (or barrels, looking at you shazam22) on both sides no matter the map. Would be kind of unfair to get this on one server and not the other one. Personally i would prefer same weapons, but i would guess that right now the servers which are 'to be' the tourney ones don't have such a comfort.
Just please make sure to make rules as precise as possible, last thing you want is teams arguing about picking color, while you can't even think about answering, because you are in the middle of a match.
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Another thing i didn't see sorted out in terms of rules, who gets to pick a color in tie map. I guess one logical way would be that the team which didn't get the server gets to pick color. Also would be a good idea to note that the each team gets to pick color on the opponents map. Might seem unimportant, but in some maps (eg. pbcup_sassault) color can make tons of difference and not only in terms of weapons.
And one more thing, before we get into this tourney, make sure entities are same for both servers. For example on otb servers we got synchronised entities, meaning both teams get same weapons (or barrels, looking at you shazam22) on both sides no matter the map. Would be kind of unfair to get this on one server and not the other one. Personally i would prefer same weapons, but i would guess that right now the servers which are 'to be' the tourney ones don't have such a comfort.
Just please make sure to make rules as precise as possible, last thing you want is teams arguing about picking color, while you can't even think about answering, because you are in the middle of a match.
Wonderful points! Thanks for mentioning them. I'll update the rules accordingly.
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Each team is allowed one map reset per best of 3 map match.
I am guessing you mean reset to get better weapons right? I think you should be little more specific, because right now i get the feeling that i can reset when i am losing the map ^^. Throw in there "before teams joined" or something like that.
Also, how i pointed out and Myers summed up in his post
TIE MAP FOR NA VS EU ISSUE:
What happens if point differential is the same? (Ie 50-20, 40-10, 30pt diff).
Need a set-in-stone means of fixing that.
I wouldn't be surprised if the same point difference happened at some point of the tourney, given how many NA vs EU matches are going to happen. But i am not sure whats the best way to sort this kind of 'double tie'.
Either you play one (same for both) tie map on both servers and whoever gets more points in total for both maps wins the whole matchor you remake the match from scratch.
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I am guessing you mean reset to get better weapons right? I think you should be little more specific, because right now i get the feeling that i can reset when i am losing the map ^^. Throw in there "before teams joined" or something like that.
Also, how i pointed out and Myers summed up in his postI wouldn't be surprised if the same point difference happened at some point of the tourney, given how many NA vs EU matches are going to happen. But i am not sure whats the best way to sort this kind of 'double tie'.
Either you play one (same for both) tie map on both servers and whoever gets more points in total for both maps wins the whole matchor you remake the match from scratch.
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No, you can't remake the match or do 1 match each, that makes it WAY too long of a match for a weekend tournament. It needs to be something along the lines of:
-- Random generator to choose
-- NA server because NA is running tournament (Gotta represent your nation! lol, whenever I participate in EU tournaments they never cared to give NA servers to us EVER!)
-- Add up total K/D's of every team member of both played maps, team with better overall KDR gets their server for tie
-- One team chooses the map, the other team gets server
There's a buncha ways, random generator = most fair ---> Although NA server due to NA running tournament is an idea I like too... pretty sour about always playing all EU servers every tournament lol
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In regards to color on tie map - it has typically in DP history been based off the 2nd map selected. So, if TeamA is blue on map#2, they are blue on tiemap. You keep the color you were on the previous map for tie maps. Since color selection isn't supposed to give any advantage on a map that is agreed upon for tie, so basing it before you even know what the tie map makes it equal chance for both sides. Having a map restart prior to joining up purely for gun reset allows you to chance with better guns if your side is poor.
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Watch out for MyeRs team in the tourney. I've heard that they're going to go out hacking and get the money before they get the ban hammer.
#yolo
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No, you can't remake the match or do 1 match each, that makes it WAY too long of a match for a weekend tournament. It needs to be something along the lines of:
-- Random generator to choose
-- NA server because NA is running tournament (Gotta represent your nation! lol, whenever I participate in EU tournaments they never cared to give NA servers to us EVER!)
-- Add up total K/D's of every team member of both played maps, team with better overall KDR gets their server for tie
-- One team chooses the map, the other team gets server
There's a buncha ways, random generator = most fair ---> Although NA server due to NA running tournament is an idea I like too... pretty sour about always playing all EU servers every tournament lol
Its not like this is going to happen every tie. We played quite few matches against each other and it never happened to us. If its ever going to happen, it won't be more than 2 times in this tourney. So if you played tie on both servers and decided winner based on that, you would get 2 more maps than you are supposed to in the whole tourney, yea what a time waste. I am sure some of the other matches won't go into tie, so you got your time back there.
-- Random generator? Come on, we might aswell use random generator to chose the winner, at least new teams would have a chance.
-- Yea, because all the tourneys you participated in in last 2 years or so were bo1, we even offered you making bo1 into bo3 and switching servers at one point. Also I remember about two or three tourneys in which we were switching servers against you guys. But its still gonnass's tourney so its his decision.
-- K/D is just another number that could be same for both teams, could resolve the issue but there is possibility that it might not
-- Meh, thats how it works for first two maps, so basically instead of playing TIE we would just get another 'normal' map, doesn't really work imo.
Btw, there weren't that many occasions to resolve NA/EU matches, because if was usually just you guys singing up and usually wasn't expected for NA team to sign up. So yea, you are complaining about something that you willingly decided to take part in, while knowing you won't get NA server (and yet you did with us).
The reason why i am trying to make this fair, is because gonass is kind enough to keep EU teams in mind and actually make teams switch servers. If he said, that whole tourney would be played on NA server i wouldn't have said a word about this, but since gonass is trying to make this tourney fair for all, i am just suggesting ways how to achieve this. I don't agree with most of your suggestions being fair and there is no way to make it fair without having to play an extra map i think.
About the tie map color, yea it makes sense as long as you don't know the tie map in advance.
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[4b] will probably be there, we will cancel if not ahead of time
soulo
sl4
shock
flukek9
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We will probably participate too..
.oXz.
ond
obi
sadlair
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Where is the map list?
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Where is the map list?
Your wish has been granted. Was hoping to take some time to check out some lesser known or lesser played maps and put them in the list, but o well.
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Your wish has been granted. Was hoping to take some time to check out some lesser known or lesser played maps and put them in the list, but o well.
The 3 ???? on the maplist = maps you're going to add in last minute?
PS- your maplist did hit a few maps that aren't played with decent gameplay, while still having some common maps. Fairly well rounded list.
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The 3 ???? on the maplist = maps you're going to add in last minute?
PS- your maplist did hit a few maps that aren't played with decent gameplay, while still having some common maps. Fairly well rounded list.
Yes
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Just thought I'd mention for the nubs out there that you don't have to be a registered clan to play as a team.
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Quick question:
The 2 servers that are supposed to be used (and the owners of the servers both already agreed to them) --- I don't believe cP's have been updated yet (and the tournament is this Saturday) and I haven't seen JMR around in a while - nor are his servers online right now.
Might need to look into this - or try to find an alternative if these admins can't provide their servers anymore.
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Quick question:
The 2 servers that are supposed to be used (and the owners of the servers both already agreed to them) --- I don't believe cP's have been updated yet (and the tournament is this Saturday) and I haven't seen JMR around in a while - nor are his servers online right now.
Might need to look into this - or try to find an alternative if these admins can't provide their servers anymore.
I can host some, just send me a server config and I'll run it.
I can also try to make some statistics/irc match streaming system but im not sure about my time.
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Quick question:
The 2 servers that are supposed to be used (and the owners of the servers both already agreed to them) --- I don't believe cP's have been updated yet (and the tournament is this Saturday) and I haven't seen JMR around in a while - nor are his servers online right now.
Might need to look into this - or try to find an alternative if these admins can't provide their servers anymore.
I already talked to Clipz. He's actually gone to update them a few times but people were playing so he didn't want to kick them off and thus put off updating it. No worries with his. They'll be ready and I'll probably have him throw up a few more to have more concurrent matches.
I'll try to contact JMR and see what's going on.
html, do you have a VPS or a dedicated server?
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I already talked to Clipz. He's actually gone to update them a few times but people were playing so he didn't want to kick them off and thus put off updating it. No worries with his. They'll be ready and I'll probably have him throw up a few more to have more concurrent matches.
I'll try to contact JMR and see what's going on.
html, do you have a VPS or a dedicated server?
VPS, no problems with 32/32 at my speed. Located in Poznań, Poland.
Well, hosting 2 pb servers for a 3v3 tournament doesnt need a hard, dedicated server.
Btw, it looks like JMR doesnt want to spend his time on this game anymore, his paintball website is offline.
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I'm not sure if hTml's server is the best idea.
OTB is always willing to donate theirs for tournaments, and europeans always play on them. Might as well use the servers Europeans use the most, if JMR backs out.
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I will do it tonight. I've played on your servers HTML and the lag was horrible, alot of packet loss.
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I will do it tonight. I've played on your servers HTML and the lag was horrible, alot of packet loss.
Its an EU server...
UDP packets cant survive as long travel ;P
Talk to MrPeach(btQ), he used to play on my match servers.
(No packet loss for me)
P.S.
I'm hTml, not html or HTML ;D
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Its an EU server...
UDP packets cant survive as long travel ;P
Talk to MrPeach(btQ), he used to play on my match servers.
(No packet loss for me)
P.S.
I'm hTml, not html or HTML ;D
edit: nvm my post, i should learn how to read correctly. lol.
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mrpeach is actually from poland isnt he? same for you. your servers are located in poland too, maybe thats why^^
Well, then talk to Lockout, lospalkos or Korean.
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I have not been on the forums in a while. Thankfully, prozajik reminded me about the tournament and that some people wanted my servers.
I would be willing to host servers for the tournament on the same server that I used to host #sPec# servers.
But #sPec# will not be participating in this tournament, you can remove us from the list.
Happy new year.
Server name:
Tournament # [UK]
Number of servers:
8
Join password:
tourn1
Login password:
t111
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I have not been on the forums in a while. Thankfully, prozajik reminded me about the tournament and that some people wanted my servers.
I would be willing to host servers for the tournament on the same server that I used to host #sPec# servers.
But #sPec# will not be participating in this tournament, you can remove us from the list.
Happy new year.
Server name:
Tournament # [UK]
Number of servers:
8
Join password:
tourn1
Login password:
t111
Many thanks, JMR! I wish you guys could make it, but I also really appreciate you letting us use your server and your contributions to the community over the years.
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Mine are updated too. I'll make more tomorrow.
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Mine are updated too. I'll make more tomorrow.
What what?
Clipz coming through, like a boss as always.
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Plz u can remove Friends Never Die and add
[aT] Absurd Threat
Overused
Inler
Reptyle
mkbwe
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@Clipz
Your servers are still running old physics. Hopefully this can be changed prior to the tournament as the change in physics is fairly drastic to have to do
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Where do we all meet ?
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Where do we all meet ?
Was about to ask the same question.
And we got a problem on JMR's servers, Boyka got 150 ~ ping on them , i guess he will not be alone, Anna had the same ping on those servers. So is there any possibility if both team agree to play on another server ? OTB or artic servers for exemple ? (including that both team are fine with it )
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Was about to ask the same question.
And we got a problem on JMR's servers, Boyka got 150 ~ ping on them , i guess he will not be alone, Anna had the same ping on those servers. So is there any possibility if both team agree to play on another server ? OTB or artic servers for exemple ? (including that both team are fine with it )
That's fine with me. We can all meet in #holidaytourney on the global gamers irc network.
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UPDATE FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T STICK AROUND:
BRACKET: http://dpholidaytourney.com/ (It's not fully updated at the time I posted it)
Everything has been completed other than the FINALS, which will occur tomorrow (Jan 4, 2015) at 12:00pm EST
The finals are: What The ____? versus Viateam
Congratulations to oXz and c2o who came 3rd and 4th respectively.
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Yo, is there gonna be a fight for 3rd place ?! because.. i don't think 3rd /4th place are ranked well. And we didnt even fight eachother for the 3rd place. So untill we fight for deciding who deserv the 3rd spot , i wont accept them to be 3rd.
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BATTLE FOR 3RD PLACE!!!!!
OXZ VS C2O
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If on others games, there is a fight for 3rd place, its because of the randomness of the brackets. I wont accept this rank untill they fight for it.
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The bracket is updated. http://dpholidaytourney.com (http://dpholidaytourney.com)
Sorry for the crappy quality, I just kept editing a screen shot of the generated bracket. Thanks to everyone who came out. A lot of teams didn't make it, but enough did and a few people who signed up with teams that had players missing reformed, so the signups vs. the actual bracket is a little different. I also did random seeding, because I was lazy and didn't feel like ensuring teams everyone was betting on to win wouldn't match up until the finals.
Tomorrow we shall see the final outcome.
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I think we wont be here tomorrow..
we lost against o.O in the final of losers bracket, that makes us third
However, if my mates will be here, we can play some funmatch :)
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Alright oXz , if you guys think you earned that spot without fighting for it. because yeah, i though your match versus o.O in the final of losers bracket was for an attempt to the Final match (if you won) , Or an attempt to the 3rd place (if you lose). Anyways, if you guys cant play it, then i will stop to whine for this precious 3rd spot. But I am verry dissapointed because we fighted for this attempt to 3rd spot. Beside that.. That was a great tournament Gonass, i hope we could change few things for the next tournament to make it more clear about everypart of it but overall, that was a succes. Good luck for the finalist >o.O< and .vT. , do your best for teams that has not make it to the final. May The Best Win.
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Alright oXz , if you guys think you earned that spot without fighting for it. because yeah, i though your match versus o.O in the final of losers bracket was for an attempt to the Final match (if you won) , Or an attempt to the 3rd place (if you lose). Anyways, if you guys cant play it, then i will stop to whine for this precious 3rd spot. But I am verry dissapointed because we fighted for this attempt to 3rd spot. Beside that.. That was a great tournament Gonass, i hope we could change few things for the next tournament to make it more clear about everypart of it but overall, that was a succes. Good luck for the finalist >o.O< and .vT. , do your best for teams that has not make it to the final. May The Best Win.
jesus christ go wave a white flag or something instead of crying on forums, they got further in winning brackets and got knocked out round later in losers brackets than you, its perfectly fine and fair.
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jesus christ go wave a white flag or something instead of crying on forums, they got further in winning brackets and got knocked out round later in losers brackets than you, its perfectly fine and fair.
so if you get a lucky bracket, you automatically get a better place in the ranking. doesnt seem fair..
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so if you get a lucky bracket, you automatically get a better place in the ranking. doesnt seem fair..
It's a tournament with winner takes all prize. That means the winning team is the only team that matters. If you win, it doesn't matter what side of the bracket you're in.
There is no 2nd place prize, no 3rd place prize etc...
Winner takes all tournaments don't usually have a 3rd place battle. It's a simple concept. The only reason 3rd place battles come into play is due to the standard setup of 1st/2nd/3rd - where any position below that is irrelevant. It's a waste of time to do a 3rd place match for something that doesn't matter. Want to beat them? Go match them and prove youre better, either way you don't get anything unless youre first. Should we battle for 5th 6th 7th 8th spots too?
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Congratulations to vT for winning.
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Thank you to Gonass for running a tournament. Nice to see 8 teams of 3 playing, plus having servers filled up to 20 people spectating.
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Thanks for organising such a tourney gonass, was pretty cool having to try once in a while.
Anyway, thanks for a nice tourney and thanks everyone for participating for making the tourney happen. Were great games and some of them really close ones, was awesome playing as well as watching them.
So, once again, thanks to everyone and good games guys.
--picky, rockitude, prozajik
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Congratz vT :)
Thank you gonass looking forward to the hopefully next tournament where we can participate but overall nice to see someone being active and organize :)
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Wow congrats, is that two vt tourney wins in a row?
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vT > o.0 or w/e that newb clan is.
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Great job vT, you guys are great and defiantly better than everyone at the moment. keep it up hopefully the game takes off and you guys can represent the best of the best.