New MAp Shock 2

[ic3y]

The Map comes never on Arctic Server

[Laged]

Man, don't repeat the stuff others have said atleast 3 times already =)
And also, it's his first map, of course it isn't too good.

[Byz]

Robbie , the "Modify" button is your friend. Use it to modify your posts , do not double post.

[RoBbIe]

Ty laged

[Kaos]

theirs already a shock 2 out there

[Cameron]

theirs already a shock 2 out there

Read the first page and the first reply.  I think we already know that.

[UDead]

hey. Tell you what if you remake maps like I did, all you will get is negative feedback so don't do it.

[sk89q]

There's something called a "good" remake.

[Laged]

For example pbcup_renoir and pbcup_pforest

[KnacK]

There's something called a "good" remake.

It's also very rare for a remake to come out good.

[T3RR0R15T]

For example pbcup_renoir and pbcup_pforest

NO, not this two maps...

[Laged]

They're way better than the original ones. Overplayed? Yes. Still good? Yes.

[Cameron]

NO, not this two maps...

I totally disagree with you there .  They are way better than the originals.

[DrRickDaglessMD]

Its not the fact that it is or isnt a remake that is the problem - the root is that people who generally start making remake maps are doing so to answer their lack of originality. DT remade the pbcup_X series with clear vision and skill, which is why they are so good. He probably didn't do it because he 'couldn't think of what to make a map of'.

- Dagless

P.S. I'm lucky with Grave 2, it's physically impossible to make a map worse than grave.bsp. I bet no-one ever noticed the minute cross on the top of the 'spire'!

[UDead]

I don't really like that map so I don't think i remember seeing it.

[T3RR0R15T]

DT remade the pbcup_X series with clear vision and skill, which is why they are so good.

Really? I hate all the pbcup maps (ok, not pbcup_dsm1q ). I dont know why. Maybe because they are totaly overplayed or they have more jumps than a jumpmap or...

[DrRickDaglessMD]

DT's remakes show a lot of evidence of careful planning for proper clan scene matching and competition play. They usually have a good variety of options for play-styles depending on the kind of clan you belong to and the jumps foster improvements in your technical ability.

The most overplayed maps are the junk you constantly see on pubs like airtime, blitz, shazam33, razzle, etc... Which are simply popular because they offer extremely simple and thoughtlessly quick gameplay. Thats fine for speed servers and whatnot, but I think it drives a lot of serious players away from pub play because its pretty boring after a while. I'm not a fan of er33t or 20id or whatever they are called now, but I can't fault their taste in maps or their knowledge of what comprises tactical understanding of maps like castle1, which are perfectly balanced for in-depth play.

This isn't really the place to be discussing what makes a good or bad map though i guess, so I'll just say on-topic that a map like shock should not be remade. It does it's job as it is: its quick, dirty, great PGP, seems to be quite popular. There's probably nothing else you can add.

- Dagless