Author Topic: Can someone make a version 2 of an already created map??? (Read 3716 times)

cusoman · « **on:** August 12, 2007, 01:22:28 PM »

i would like to know if someone could make a version 2 of an already in existence map. are all maps gpl-ed or do u have to get exclusive rights. i would really like to know. i was wondering because the shazam maps aeem to have like 15 versions all made by different people. if u are unclear what i am asking a good example would be like how back2back exists, could i make a back2back 2. i do not actually want to make back2back 2, i just want to know in general about making new maps and mapping rights. thanx in advance
-Cusoman

bitmate · « **Reply #1 on:** August 12, 2007, 01:25:59 PM »

I believe there is a back2back2.bsp made yet.

cusoman · « **Reply #2 on:** August 12, 2007, 01:29:11 PM »

i dont want to make a back2back2. i just want to know if u are ALLOWED to make a back2back2. the back2back2 was just an example.

P!nk · « **Reply #3 on:** August 12, 2007, 01:40:30 PM »

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nightryder · « **Reply #4 on:** August 12, 2007, 02:39:01 PM »

dont make a remake unless its better than the original.

Cobo · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2007, 02:44:35 PM »

It is impossible to copyright ideas, so you can copy any map layout you want. That means that you need to start from scratch.
But, as p!ink pointed out, its common courtesy to ask before.

Eiii · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2007, 03:01:23 PM »

Quote from: Cobo on August 12, 2007, 02:44:35 PM

It is impossible to copyright ideas, so you can copy any map layout you want.

Patents mb?

Also, I think what was being discussed is decompilation of maps.

cusoman · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2007, 03:06:55 PM »

thank you everybody for responding. i was sort of discussing decompilation of a map, but only to create a newer version titled whatever 2. i was just wondering how things like shazam became shazam(1 - 50) with different original makers. i understand now how it works. if i ever felt the need to create a new version of a map, i would ask the original maker first.

magalhaes · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2007, 03:41:40 PM »

Quote from: cusoman on August 12, 2007, 03:06:55 PM

shazam(1 - 50)

what i mean is...i cant find shazam 37

KiLo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2007, 04:02:19 PM »

Quote from: magalhaes on August 12, 2007, 03:41:40 PM

Quote from: cusoman on August 12, 2007, 03:06:55 PM
shazam(1 - 50)

what i mean is...i cant find shazam 37

Smartass!!!

y00tz · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2007, 08:14:11 PM »

I think of someone thinks they can do a better job, they should come up with a new name for it... adding "2" to the end leaves no room for the original author to make a sequel. If you do something like cus_MapName and made the map with the similar flow but a lot more detail and better texture choices, I don't think that there'd be a big uproar.

Decompiling is going to make enemies for you though.

jitspoe · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2007, 04:38:29 PM »

Most of the shazam remakes were made from scratch. If you compare something like shazam33 to shazam, you'll notice none of the original brushwork is there. Decompiling maps is really bad practice. If the mapper hasn't provided the .map source, then he/she probably doesn't want people editing it without permission. GPL-ing maps is a pretty recent practice, so most maps aren't released under the GPL.

It's best to just be original. Make something new. Something better than previous maps.

Apocalypse · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2007, 05:48:27 PM »

Quote from: cusoman on August 12, 2007, 03:06:55 PM

thank you everybody for responding. i was sort of discussing decompilation of a map, but only to create a newer version titled whatever 2. i was just wondering how things like shazam became shazam(1 - 50) with different original makers. i understand now how it works. if i ever felt the need to create a new version of a map, i would ask the original maker first.

Umm there is only shazzam, shazzam22, shazzam33, and shazzam44 cuso the guy who made it just decided to do double numbers.

Red Blood98 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:11:36 PM »

I think there are 3 or 4 ub_cliff maps...a good map to think about remaking would be ub_rooftop...but thats just my opinion.

Apocalypse · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:22:40 PM »

There already is ub_rooftop 2 inprogress warwulf is making it though last I heard he hadn't done very much.

Red Blood98 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:29:56 PM »

Quote from: Apocalypse on August 13, 2007, 06:22:40 PM

There already is ub_rooftop 2 inprogress warwulf is making it though last I heard he hadn't done very much.

I think the sequels to maps should be bigger...just because its a sequel.

Cobo · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:43:01 PM »

LIEK TEH HRRY PTTR BOOKSS RITE???!?!!!?

Red Blood98 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:53:25 PM »

Quote from: Cobo on August 13, 2007, 06:43:01 PM

LIEK TEH HRRY PTTR BOOKSS RITE???!?!!!?

Sorta...they got bigger...but the bigger they got the more predictable the ending was.

cusoman · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:02:25 PM »

well personally, i think decompilation of maps is terrible if u are just going to rip off it, but decompilation for learning i believe is very helpful. the shazam 1-50 was just an overexageration, and yes jitspoe i did notice that shaz 33 is quite dissimilar to the original shazam. thanx everyone for posting, this has really cleared up my questions.

Dirty_Taco · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:03:29 AM »

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