Digital Paint Discussion Board
Development => Bugs, Feature Requests, and Feedback => Topic started by: Kyuuchi on March 15, 2010, 04:46:36 PM
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This is a thread giving feedback on the Digital Paint: Paintball2 website... please don't flame this saying stupid stuff like "You're wasting your time" blah blah blah. I don't wanna hear it, this is mainly for jitspoe's eyes and some of the more important people of the community.
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3476/dpimprovement1.jpg) (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/dpimprovement1.jpg/)
In the above picture, there are two rings. The first ring is the one I'd like to talk about more, it's a small-type of advertisement that is hiding away in the top corner. This is a good idea because it promotes a clean and tidy website, and it stays with the original design of the site. However, would it hurt anyone to have a few more advertisements on the "less-important" pages such as Files/Downlands, Contact, IRC, Linkc, etc. Even if it's one of those basic "letter-box" advertisements, it's still generating revenue that'll slowly help support the games development. Ads don't hurt anyone, especially not on the pages listed above. :)
Ok, so it's only generating like $2 a month, but that's still $2 of extra cash jitspoe has towards the game, isn't it?
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On the second ring, it's highlighting the news header. And underneath is tons of tons of information regarding the technical side of the game. When new players come to this website, and see that, there'll probably be like "wtf?" and they'll think, what is this, what does s_resamplevolume mean? This could potentially put people off. Nowhere in that website, does it tell you the following things:
- What the game is. (FPS, etc)
- Who created it.
- Computer specs.
- Main idea of the game, like to capture the flag etc.
- Screenshots of the actual game, updated ones too.
They are very important things for a first page of a game to have, in my opinion. Having all that information about new tweaks means nothing to me, or to newbies. It means something to people like ViciouZ or XBain, but not me or the average player. Put all that information on a News column, or something similar.
Look at Warsow's website..
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2725/warsowexample1.jpg) (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/warsowexample1.jpg/)
"WHAT IS WARSOW"
Simple, easy-to-read and follow and gives a basic introduction to the game. Perhaps something this game could have? Notice the Read More button, too.
"SCREENSHOTS"
A simple link, and also below the "TRAILER" bit, it has several screenshots of the game, and they're upto-date. Perhaps having some simple screenshots at the bottom of the website will do? Also, use some decent maps for the screenshots. Not bombsaway and the other default maps, they're boring and don't show any really cool graphics like discovery.bsp and some of JeeJee's maps do. (No offence)
"TRAILER"
Skitzo, MyeRs and shockwave attempted doing a trailer. We have one too, we have many tutorials and everything done, how about combining them together for a really good trailer? It only has to be 5 minutes long.. take a look at some of the threads made about the trailers and in-game video support.
"GET WARSOW"
"FREE DOWNLOAD"
Simple section of the site, that downloads the latest version of the game with the touch of a button. Why can't we have this feature on our main page? It's so much easier than navigating all the way to the Files/Downloads section. (Perhaps have a little button below the logo saying "Linux users click here")
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The website is the first impression of the game. If the website looks nice and slick, the players will probably think the game is too. I'm sure it'll only take you a day or two to make this happen, so why not take a day not actually coding the game, and make the website look decent and more newbie-friendly. The website is first impressions and needs some more work on to it..
If you want any help in doing the website, I'm sure the community such as myself will be happy to help you.
I hope you appreciate the feedback I'm giving, it's probably a bit repeated, but I hope you get the general idea of what I'm trying to interpret. :)
Thanks jitspoe.
edit: thread is addressed to anyone who actually cares, including anyone in the community. Not just to jitspoe, sorry for making it sound like it's just for jits.
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+1
maybe the community could do this, so we dont have to vote it to the top 5 of the feature vote ^^
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That UK Paintball link is up at the top because there used to be ads up there to create some revenue. Google didn't believe the visiting was legitimate, so they refused Jitspoe money. I believe he has the UK Paintball link up there as a placeholder until he decides to try placing ads up there again. Correct me if any of that is wrong.
As for having a real homepage which explains things, instead of just the news link as the homepage, I agree. I believe it would be simpler to do if Jitspoe could trust some others and allow them on his admin team, so that they could help make changes, even if its just little website stuff (homepage, pics, links, contacts, files).
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I like the way you're chatting to somebody called "FOR intercourseS SAKE PIS[S OFF]" :)
And all valid points, this post has made me want to mess around with some php/jscript for a while :)
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That UK Paintball link is up at the top because there used to be ads up there to create some revenue. Google didn't believe the visiting was legitimate, so they refused Jitspoe money. I believe he has the UK Paintball link up there as a placeholder until he decides to try placing ads up there again. Correct me if any of that is wrong.
As for having a real homepage which explains things, instead of just the news link as the homepage, I agree. I believe it would be simpler to do if Jitspoe could trust some others and allow them on his admin team, so that they could help make changes, even if its just little website stuff (homepage, pics, links, contacts, files).
Ah, thanks for clearing that ads bit up. I wasn't to sure about including that in, but thought I would anyway.
Yeah, I'd love to see a website admin team or something.
I like the way you're chatting to somebody called "FOR intercourseS SAKE PIS[S OFF]" :)
And all valid points, this post has made me want to mess around with some php/jscript for a while :)
Knew someone would see that. :P Her name is back to normal now. :P
Your websites are sick ViciouZ. :P
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other free fps websites :
http://sauerbraten.org/
http://crossfire.z8games.com/
http://www.urbanterror.info/news/home/
all these websites look quite nicer than ours :(
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Here are some b27 screenshots: http://www.otb-server.de/screenshots/screens.htm
And a very old intro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ybUC3-xpI
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So, I kinda took this oppurtunity to make a quick website showing what I mean. This website isn't perfect, it's not complete, but it gives a rough idea of what we could do and what we could properly achieve with a little time and effort.
I tried to use the original theme of the site, but it kept failing for some reason; the background and logo's kept on messing up, especially with firefox. So I just thought it'd be easier to use a different style.
Things I didn't put on the site:
-> Youtube video of setting the game up, and a video of someone actually playing.
-> No fancy flash or javascript - was a quick site. :P
But, original thoughts on the site? Don't mock the theme though please, or say it's poorly constructed.. It's just an idea. :)
http://digitalpaint.comli.com
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I kinda like the idea of making the website fresh again, it gives the game a new face, which might be more attractive to potential new players.
However, with your quote "Ok, so it's only generating like $2 a month, but that's still $2 of extra cash jitspoe has towards the game, isn't it?" you just totally lost my respect for this topic. The idea isn't that bad, but come one... Grow up a little and you'll understand the meaning of $2 ;)
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I didn't know the situation of Google Adsense, so people should mainly ignore that part now. I didn't realise there was that issue, so yeah. Ignore it.
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I like this idea ;). It would be more newb-friendly.
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http://digitalpaint.comli.com
like this just add an intro
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like this just add an intro
It actually looks really good. Well done, kyuuchi.
Hope this leads into something as well.
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I just added a gameplay video, courtesy of OTB. I hope it's a reasonable size and such, seems pretty good.. Thoughts?
http://digitalpaint.comli.com/
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kyuuchi.. i like your website design, its basic, and it has everything a new player needs on the main page; A breif description, download on main page, and mabe add a video showing how to set the game up.
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kyuuchi.. i like your website design, its basic, and it has everything a new player needs on the main page; A breif description, download on main page, and mabe add a video showing how to set it the game up.
Thanks for your feedback ip0d, it's funny to see that lots of people are liking the design when it's just a quick example, personally I don't like the design. :P
With time, and more effort I think I could make a much better, detailed website with everything a website could possibly need. But I want to hear from jitspoe first.
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I'll be devils advocate here and agree with kyuuchi. That's an awful website design. There's nothing I hate more in a website than a pre-made template, and it's glaringly obvious that's a pre-made template. HOWEVER, the way things are formatted and presented are nice. Just go get photoshop, learn html and have a go at an actual website. They're much nicer. :)
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I don't think you understand, I used the template to show what possibilites could happen to the website. I don't want that awful site to actually be the main site. With more time and effort, I could easily make a 10x better website. There is just simple HTML in there, and no javascript.
And Rewind, I know HTML very well, I know some PHP and a lot of javascript. I can't make logo's or designs, especially with photoshop. Please don't say that I don't know HTML, because I do. ;)
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If you know html, then show me a darn good website. I wont believe your some web designing pro until I see some pro websites. That's not offensive, it's common sense.
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+1 nice idea kyuuuchi, whith that more ppl will play this game and dont get kick because they don't know how creat account =))
ps: newbie(1) join the game.
newbie(1) get kicked from the game bad login.
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If you know html, then show me a darn good website. I wont believe your some web designing pro until I see some pro websites. That's not offensive, it's common sense.
HTML isn't the hard part. CSS and cross-browser compatibility is.
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Grrrr, CSS has been my archenemy for years. Yet I usually find some ways to work around it, and learn only the tidbits that I need for projects.
And then a month ago when I start working with Joomla, what do I need to edit templates? CSS.... grrrr :P At least I could manage to get what I wanted...
I wish I had a best friend who coded, but we're all designers, and all have the same stumbling blocks LOL :/
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D: CSS. I just avoid it when I can. :)
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I know this is a bump but i am willing to help with the site
email ellsgeek@gmail.com
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HTML isn't the hard part. CSS and cross-browser compatibility is.
It's only question of time. Good graphics preview, html+css working, php+js+etc implements.. I'll vote for new redesign + remake this webs..
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Bump.
Was bored, made this mockup. Shows how we could have some of the changes without too much effort or a completely new theme. It'd also be nice to have a well-made trailer to put up like the warsow site, maybe some of the people making frag movies could band together and do something like that.
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Looks good :)
But we need to make sure, that the last forum posts are not "Speedhack: ...", "Cheat Detected: ...", "Demo Request: ...", "Multiple Accounts: ..." and "Digital Paintball 2, dying or no?". That won't be good for new players...
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But we need to make sure, that the last forum posts are not "Speedhack: ...", "Cheat Detected: ...", "Demo Request: ...", "Multiple Accounts: ..." and "Digital Paintball 2, dying or no?". That won't be good for new players...
Well that's a question.. Latest forum posts are simply latest forum posts and no matter if it's speedhack, cheat, demo or whatever else..., but I agree that it won't help new players.
Anyway, looks great.
It'd also be nice to have a well-made trailer to put up like the warsow site
+100
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But we need to make sure, that the last forum posts are not "Speedhack: ...", "Cheat Detected: ...", "Demo Request: ...", "Multiple Accounts: ..." and "Digital Paintball 2, dying or no?". That won't be good for new players...
lolz, good luck :D
+1 for the new lay-out
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Very nice :)
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Looks awesome ViciouZ. Only thing I'd add to the Getting Started bit would be something like
"Click here to create an account"
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Nice inovation :)
Maybe you would add 2-3 pictures of DP into "What is digital paintball 2?" I see there is a picutre of the day but when you name it like this it can be anything even some nicely looking desktop of somebody. And when new player come he doesnt know how the game looks like.
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+1 for layout
+1 for video
+1 for Opera user :]
-1*10^999 for lazy implementation. There are soo much plans (loading screen? promotion video? new layout? and much more) and i see no changes. Don't just propose, implement!
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+1 for layout
+1 for video
+1 for Opera user :]
-1^999 for lazy implementation. There are soo much plans (loading screen? promotion video? new layout? and much more) and i see no changes. Don't just propose, implement!
1. Jitspoe is the only one who can implement this particular idea. So all we can do is propose it.
2. -1 to the power of 999 equals -1.
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"2. -1 to the power of 999 equals -1." - IK... :] But changed as you want :]
"1. Jitspoe is the only one who can implement this particular idea. So all we can do is propose it." - IK that too... But if no one please jitspoe, he won't do that ... So, Jitspoe, Please, Add some bigger features than bugfixes, cause i see no difference from b23 to b31 -.-' (all builds on i played...)
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@ViciouZ site design +1 Great! But frame with "welcome massage" (What is Digital Paint: Paintball 2.0?) must be more highlighted, more visible. Maybe different background color with different frame (border)?
Sorry for my bad English. :(