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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Steve Jobs on January 10, 2016, 09:26:51 PM
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The reason why this game is dying is because this game is dying. Everything dies off in this realm that we call and know as the phyiscal universe. No such human creation can be callled "immortal". Even most creatures that exist in the known universe do indeed die at some point. Its called the Circle of Life. Life and death. The ying and yang. The truth and lies. The past and future.
It indeed is a hard reality to grasp for most people in this game, and to come forth. It is certiantly a difficult concept to understand. We humans can only do so much as to our abilites and capacity. All we can do is Prolong and/or gain time. One must expect this truth for success. This game has deep roots and history. It has great sarafices, and certianly mountainous amounts of blood and time put into. This game is older then some peoples moms. Even some people themselfs.
You must all be wondering what this post is about? Some must be wondering who I m. We all know what this is about and who I m. But that question still cimes to your minds. This is a perfect example of hard realities. Acceptance is the key for the success. Moving on, this thread is to inform people of this monsterous and bueatiful game why this game is dying. Its up to YOU to save it after I inform you all. This information is completely true and completely unfalsifiable. Its for you all to know. So please, make sure, with the most unbaised and non-predijuiced opinon when reading this.
Lets begin:
1)Slow death: The game is dying because everything in this world has a life point. A climax. A downfall. A death. Then it all begins again. I remember this as Circle of Life. Kind of like sex. You can never go for ever, only prolong it.
2)Unconditional Controll: This game is a totalirism controll. Undesirable. Unconditional. Most succesfull games have an more open controll system, something like a publicly shared profit of game. Where more than a several people make descion for the game. It also allows room for more ideas and more development to run through. No one likes a unconditional controll.
3)Lack of Active Developers: If you made this game, and you truly love it, then you should be developing the game. Most of the, wait sratch most, practicaly all the developers in this game dont care and have left the game, while still thinking that they are the most fit for control over this game, when we all knowthos game is dying. Not the best developers. Not active. Not good desicion makers. And certiantly not in the best position for authority.
4)Ban Hammar: Most of the players who play, or use to play, were banned/are banned. Most of them who are unbanned have left this game. After not being treated correctly. Some stayed. Some have moved on. A recent studies done for League Of Legends disagree with the Digital Paintball 2 ban system. League of Legends had something similar, which was removed. They dont believe in the punishnment system; they believe in the reforming system.
5)Clan Scene: Every games life is determined by its clan scene. The more active the clane/competitive scene, the more active the game. And of course the more PROLONGED life of the game
6)New Developers: Adding new developers and new people into an "open controlled" game allows for new creative and more interesting ideads to come forth. Obviously leads to more activity and PROLONGS players to stay, due to new patches/builds. Note: this game is not an open controlled game but an unconditional controll. An single enity believes he owns the game to his full right.
7)Copyright Issues: Most games dont have this issues. This game does. Copyright infringment.
8)Reality: The reality of this game is that its in poor hands. Its been abused. Its underestimated by its developers.
9)Game Bugs: Most games get it fixed. This game takes years to fix and implement.
10)Lack of players: The game has more Bots then users. Not enough Koreans or asians.
11)Lack of Information: Not enough easy accessiable information
12)Poor security: Game has poor security system
13)Sefless Committee: Baised. Predijuice. Unactive. Practically non exisitent.
14)Lack of Activity: Game has no events or activity
15)Unjustified bans: No information on to why or when someone did something. Why they are banned. Or the baised and predijuiced times of the bans. Note: connects to bans systems in a way
16)Unskilled players: Alot of unskilled players+ More trash talk=Less hype. Examples: Jeo. Shock. Jigz. Whaley. Chemical. Tony Montana. Myers. These players always get carried. Talk trash as if they were the garbageman. Driving a garbage truck doesnt help the game, nor does the garbage machanics in the game going to help you be the best.
17)Outdated Graphics: Self explanatory.
18)Outdated System: Out dated system that doesnt allow for better graphics
19)Development: Lacking. Barely. Non existent. Those are the words choosen for this area of work. The game barely gets new itens/stuff. Or anything in particular. When was the last time this game got something new? And im not talking aboht fixing bugs or anything along that. Note: Dont confuse this with Developers or New developers. This is soley on the quailty of development. The last time I remember anything new was PCDP mod or HR4 textutes.
20)Game=Mincraft
Thank you. This is not a guide on HOW to fixing the game; its a guide on the Problems with this game. Its for educational purposes so you can know what to do to fix the game.
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왜이 게임은 죽어가 고 이유 때문에이 게임은 죽어. 모든 우리가 호출 하 고 phyiscal 우주로 알고이 영역에서 죽는다. 이러한 인간의 창조 callled '불멸' 일 수 있다. 대부분 생물 알려진된 우주에 있는 실제로 어떤 시점에서 죽을 할. 그것의 생활의 원형 이라고. 생활 고 죽음입니다. 잉 고 양입니다. 진리와 거짓입니다. 과거 그리고 미래입니다. 그것은 실제로이 게임에 있는 대부분의 사람들이 파악 하 고 앞에 서 어려운 현실입니다. Certiantly 이해 하기 어려운 개념입니다. 우리 인간만 우리의 abilites 및 용량 많은 것을 할 수 있다. 우리가 할 수 있는 그리고/또한 시간 [/b] 연장. 하나는 성공에 대 한이 진리를 기대 해야 합니다. 이 게임은 깊은 뿌리와 역사 있다. 그것은 훌륭한 sarafices와 certianly 산악 양의 혈액과 시간에 넣어. 이 게임은 일부 사람들이 엄마 다음 이전 이다. 자신 조차 어떤 사람들입니다. 당신은 모든 궁금 합니다이 게시물에 대 한 무엇입니까? 일부 누가 궁금 합니다 내가 m. 우리 모두 알고이 대 한 누가 나
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Lel Chemical isnt an unskilled player.
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왜이 게임은 죽어가 고 이유 때문에이 게임은 죽어. 모든 우리가 호출 하 고 phyiscal 우주로 알고이 영역에서 죽는다. 이러한 인간의 창조 callled '불멸' 일 수 있다. 대부분 생물 알려진된 우주에 있는 실제로 어떤 시점에서 죽을 할. 그것의 생활의 원형 이라고. 생활 고 죽음입니다. 잉 고 양입니다. 진리와 거짓입니다. 과거 그리고 미래입니다. 그것은 실제로이 게임에 있는 대부분의 사람들이 파악 하 고 앞에 서 어려운 현실입니다. Certiantly 이해 하기 어려운 개념입니다. 우리 인간만 우리의 abilites 및 용량 많은 것을 할 수 있다. 우리가 할 수 있는 그리고/또한 시간 [/b] 연장. 하나는 성공에 대 한이 진리를 기대 해야 합니다. 이 게임은 깊은 뿌리와 역사 있다. 그것은 훌륭한 sarafices와 certianly 산악 양의 혈액과 시간에 넣어. 이 게임은 일부 사람들이 엄마 다음 이전 이다. 자신 조차 어떤 사람들입니다. 당신은 모든 궁금 합니다이 게시물에 대 한 무엇입니까? 일부 누가 궁금 합니다 내가 m. 우리 모두 알고이 대 한 누가 나
You actually know well how to write in korean language (g.translate), some words/symbols doesn't fit.
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I agree.
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Today
49 Servers 32 players
I have 5 servers up on 2 VPS Boxes ( 3 ready for matches at any time) that sit empty..
it would be cheaper for me to run a 40 player battlefield 4 server that would get traffic..
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I don't see how you think MyeRs and CheMicaL get carried.
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Yea man i dont see how chemical and myers get carried can you please explain
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This post has some good points. It stays neutral, has a new forum account to remain anonymous and remove any bias towards who the person is - but then claims that trash talk is a fault, while throwing out specific names and joining in on the trash talk. Unskilled player etc.. is an opinion as there's no statistics to truly prove whos good/bad, therefore - the person creating this post joined in on the trash talk that ruins the game, making himself one of the flaws in the game.
Regardless, this games just been around for a long time and has run its course. The only way to actually maintain activity is a large overhaul/update, not mini ones that see the smallest of changes every 6 months. That's not going to happen. So enjoy the game till you get bored, and it'll slowly but surely keep going down in activity as it has for the last decade.
PS: Also, the comment on the committee shows how uninformed the person making this post is. The Committee was never implemented to help find cheaters and whatnot. Nor are they meant to post on forums. They help Jitspoe gain information on Multiple account etc.. bans by getting all the information they can (hence why languages spoken is a good indicator of some people previously chosen). The committee activity does not matter in the current state of this game. Like, at all.
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Most of my intellectual arguments have been placed on the reason on basis. Those basis include studies done on different games. For example, League of Legends does not approve of toxic behaviour. Im sure Myers, you know that very well since you play League Of Legends. Talking trash promotes an toxic environment for the game and others who are in it. It promotes hatered. It promotes personal confliction. It ruins games and most importantly it ruins lifes. It can be on the same board as cyberbullying, which 99% of toxic activity is.
My questionable example of the committe is like an analogy: The committe are like lawyers, who pick out proof(Could be based, could not be) and submit it to the judge, who in this case is the 'artificial owner' of the game. But its not perfectly like the analogy since they vote for ban times. They have the capability to do justice or injustice.
As for my statement about unskilled players, I really did mean it. They are not the best. The do get carried. When was the last time they matched with "nonames" and won matchs? When was the last time they were positive in the match? Probably not often. As per the recent tournament, where Shockwave was carrying The game. I must give him credit that he is indeed above average, but he certainly not the best. Unless Shockwaves thinks MyeRs is better than him and cares to explain why so. Which I doubt he will say.
As for the activity of the committee members, you are right it doesnt matter at this point, but if this game was 10x active it would.
Understanding that this game is indeed going to die, I applaude for you. Since it was the first requirenment for understanding.
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첫 번째 문장 을 읽고 선수 를 판단 할 수있는 능력 을 볼 때 , 그것은 나를 바닥에 오줌 누는 동안 벽 에 원을 그리 할 수 있습니다.
이 문장 에서 중지 해야 하고 동일한 이었을 것입니다
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The reason why this game is dying is because this game is dying.
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Oh and also, this is not that i doubt of your ability to understand the game but.. actually i doubt of your ability to understand the game. If you really think that a team depend on one player then you are wrong. Anyways, most of your points are right, you could literraly fact everythings on DP and add:" is why the game is dying " and it would work.
But i like the effort, and the presentation.
Which will give me the desire to put you on a 1 out of 10.
( I allow myself to judge you since you did it for me -: )
But yeah, the game is dead unfortunatly.
Shot out to every unskilled players he mentionned. WeDaWorst.
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감사합니다, 안녕 , 좋은 하루
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Gibberish
Im absolutely disguested by this argument. Possibly the worst statement made in internet history. Sorry I take that back. There is probably a more worse statement. It makes zero sense. Its almost as if you didnt even read, saw your name, and posted just to bash me, without realizing that your intent to make yourself look smart and considerate; you're actualy making yourself look like a complete and absolute fool. Please dont type unless you read it all. As I stated before, Im not here for basied and/or predijuice. Im here for facts. The facts in the original post are indeed and will be compelling and constructive.
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and posted just to bash me
Between you & me, i wonder who is the one posting just to bash the other. But I understand , you are frustraded so you felt the need of adding a nickname there and there for free while talking of the so famous " facts " that everyone is talking about the past ten years.
I'm talking non-sense and trying to look smart ? But just look at these sentences and you got these 2 points all in one.
This is not a guide on HOW to fixing the game
Its for educational purposes so you can know what to do to fix the game.
Don't worry, i'm not here to bash you, I just said and think that your understanding of the game is wrong, you assimilate a trashtalker with unskilled. Which is biased. ( just an exemple of many )
There is actually few people that still wants to believe in the futur of this game (and i heard some project which sounded great in my ears ) and it wasnt about " giving educational advice "
but trying to do things for the game instead.
Anyways, good luck with your " why is dp dead ". And i hope it will let people know on why Digital paintball 2 is dead, but i'm pretty sure that every of the active players are already aware of that. ( I do not really feel the need of looking at this thread anymore, i thought you would be more constructive and had a better understanding, but i was wrong).
Good luck, and have a beautiful day my dear.
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6)New Developers: Adding new developers and new people into an "open controlled" game allows for new creative and more interesting ideas to come forth. Obviously leads to more activity and PROLONGS players to stay, due to new patches/builds. Note: this game is not an open controlled game but an unconditional control. An single entity believes he owns the game to his full right.
THIS:^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There are at least 4 people I know that are forum members with real talent on here and can make additional items for this game and even the website in HOURS not months, or years, but hours if given the chance..
they are in irc working on scripts, and giving great ideas yet their thoughts are going nowhere.
It is no longer worth my monthly cash to keep my 6 servers running with a dead game..
Back to battlefield 3, and 4, where at least we have some population
enjoy..
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I'm talking non-sense and trying to look smart ? But just look at these sentences and you got these 2 points all in one.
Once again, I have stated nothing wrong. Those two statements dont contradict. Both are completely correct. Ill explain this in a analogy: I stated the dieases, I didnt state the cures. I understand that sometimes stating whats wrong is some what like stating the solution, since all you have to do is "reverse" these problems. But you need to comprehend that its not exactly the same. Thats why I stated, all/most major [the] problems, with the game thats killing it. I didnt give the solution on how one should fix it. Thats why i said that I leave it to you(the Digital Lazerball 2 community) to find ways to fixing these problems. Have I made myself clear? Oh and also didint I say make a compelling and contructive comment? Good day.
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uhh guysss did you forget your manners
Hi Steve Jobs, welcome to the dp community :)
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False. Its dying because of thanks obama.
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simmer down tough guy Tuesday.
ps: thanks for thinking of me bb, shomi & chill?
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Guys, stop whingeing and play
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Oh really? Well, when I joined this game back in 2008 some guys told me this game is going to die...when some raging guys talked to me in 2011 they said this game is going to die, when I was raging back in 2013/2014 I said this game is going to die...now that I'm banned for a bit over 1 year and check the forums the first post I see is "Reasons why Paintball is going to die", funny isnt it?
This game is worse than your ex I can tell you that...it is NOT going to die dude! :P
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Oh really? Well, when I joined this game back in 2008 some guys told me this game is going to die...when some raging guys talked to me in 2011 they said this game is going to die, when I was raging back in 2013/2014 I said this game is going to die...now that I'm banned for a bit over 1 year and check the forums the first post I see is "Reasons why Paintball is going to die", funny isnt it?
This game is worse than your ex I can tell you that...it is NOT going to die dude! :P
Not sure if this is a troll post or not.
If you're serious, you should consider editing your post and deleting everything. Come back to this thread once you have a proper constructive argument. Here is an proper and constructive reply to your brain damaging statement: from 2008-2011 there has been an consistent decrease in game size. From 2011-2015 game size has been significantly less game activity when comparing to 2008-2011. That said, this game, like every single thing in this universe, has a time period, and generaly speaking has been dying/downhill since its climax. Now coupe this or leave.
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Why should I delete my post? Everything I wrote is FACT :D And all your listed points even make sense, and I also know that this game has seen more & better active times than today, but believe it or not - this game is not going to die, even if it's just me and some friends playing & bringing new friends to the game, cause as soon as we're unbanned we are going to play it again, thats a save call already ^^
But yea, sorry for interrupting your doomsday conspiracy bud ^^
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Who cares, people still play this game, if it ever dies so what. Get over it. We're playing this game to have fun, if everyone stops playing it must mean we all found something we appreciate more. Jitspoe is still improving the game, and people are still playing, end of story? I don't get it
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16)Unskilled players: Alot of unskilled players+ More trash talk=Less hype. Examples: Jeo. Shock. Jigz. Whaley. Chemical. Tony Montana. Myers. These players always get carried. Talk trash as if they were the garbageman. Driving a garbage truck doesnt help the game, nor does the garbage machanics in the game going to help you be the best.
Btw. You don't want trashtalk and similar stuff to that, but you just did it now. What is the point of that?
How can you say on couple of these players that they are unskilled? Example after match: Shk's KD: 20/5, MyeRz's KD: 5/11, CheMiCal's KD: 6/14, these numbers doesn't mean anything. Just because one player of team has great KD, grab/cap ratio doesn't mean that he is the best. Of course it is about individual skill, but how you will "shine" infront of others depends on your team. If Shk is "carry" of the team it can be because of the team precise recon and predictions of movement of enemies reconed, also dead person in team can think for you a lot better than you by yourself and he can "shot-call" or give you tips what to do, because he doesn't have to focus on his own gameplay. To this example, the captain of team can have even bigger impact on the game than the carry of the team, in this case MyeRz. Tactic, positions, rushes, defending positions, timing, shot-calling, and a lot of other stuff depends mostly on him.
How can you say about Jeongwa that he is unskilled player, pls. In my opinion he is probably one of the best players, if not the best, due to his mindset ingame and his outplaying mechanics. I really like his playstyle and focus + sportsmanship. All named players are great, no doubt so that you said that they are unskilled doesn't make sense.
Maybe some of these players trashtalk ingame, but it's just game god darn. How can something what is wrote/said online ingame by person who you doesn't even know hurt you? This is internet, not real life.
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Btw. You don't want trashtalk and similar stuff to that, but you just did it now. What is the point of that?
How can you say on couple of these players that they are unskilled? Example after match: Shk's KD: 20/5, MyeRz's KD: 5/11, CheMiCal's KD: 6/14, these numbers doesn't mean anything. Just because one player of team has great KD, grab/cap ratio doesn't mean that he is the best. Of course it is about individual skill, but how you will "shine" infront of others depends on your team. If Shk is "carry" of the team it can be because of the team precise recon and predictions of movement of enemies reconed, also dead person in team can think for you a lot better than you by yourself and he can "shot-call" or give you tips what to do, because he doesn't have to focus on his own gameplay. To this example, the captain of team can have even bigger impact on the game than the carry of the team, in this case MyeRz. Tactic, positions, rushes, defending positions, timing, shot-calling, and a lot of other stuff depends mostly on him.
How can you say about Jeongwa that he is unskilled player, pls. In my opinion he is probably one of the best players, if not the best, due to his mindset ingame and his outplaying mechanics. I really like his playstyle and focus + sportsmanship. All named players are great, no doubt so that you said that they are unskilled doesn't make sense.
Maybe some of these players trashtalk ingame, but it's just game god darn. How can something what is wrote/said online ingame by person who you doesn't even know can hurt you? This is internet, not real life.
First off, good job sqz, you have made some valid points, but your last statement is ignorance, and I thank you, unlike your friend. What you say is somewhat true, but here is the deal. You speak about teams. If a team in a FPS games with influence from maps( so basicly depending on maps) has the best individual players in the game, they will win. Espeically in Digital Paintball 2. Since this game gets an highest of 3v3 matches, team syngery or team machanics are not the factoring reason for a win. Yes plays can be made. But its not that plays are made, its that the individual players capability to performin the game. FPS games mostly known for individual skills, unlike other games. Its not like the you have a book/list of plays you can make in FPS games, unlike other esports or sports in general. Once again it doesnt prove anything. KDR and caps/points per round matter. I would believe you if myers still won after that kdr. But guess what? They obviously mean something signficant, and thats why they lost. Now aside from that, you have heard of toxic or cyberbullying? Well guess you need to do some research. Beacause its real. Like Newtons law states: ever action has a reaction. It also applies to well everything. You do anything, it has consquenses. You say to someone something weather it be on the net or in real life, it has effects. Thats not me saying this, its research stating this. Its a fact.
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First off, good job sqz, you have made some valid points, but your last statement is ignorance, and I thank you, unlike your friend. What you say is somewhat true, but here is the deal. You speak about teams. If a team in a FPS games with influence from maps( so basicly depending on maps) has the best individual players in the game, they will win. Espeically in Digital Paintball 2. Since this game gets an highest of 3v3 matches, team syngery or team machanics are not the factoring reason for a win. Yes plays can be made. But its not that plays are made, its that the individual players capability to performin the game. FPS games mostly known for individual skills, unlike other games. Its not like the you have a book/list of plays you can make in FPS games, unlike other esports or sports in general. Once again it doesnt prove anything. KDR and caps/points per round matter. I would believe you if myers still won after that kdr. But guess what? They obviously mean something signficant, and thats why they lost. Now aside from that, you have heard of toxic or cyberbullying? Well guess you need to do some research. Beacause its real. Like Newtons law states: ever action has a reaction. It also applies to well everything. You do anything, it has consquenses. You say to someone something weather it be on the net or in real life, it has effects. Thats not me saying this, its research stating this. Its a fact.
Individual skill does count. Yeah it is about it, but mostly about teamwork, communication, preparation, etc. For example when I matched prozajik last time on his best map rome: It was pretty even, score like 45 to 45. You can predict moves, and show your individual skill and confidence. But in 2s/3s it is a lot harder to beat them. Last tournament I played, I saw great teamwork from cm8t I have to say. They played against old i6 and prozajik timed (flag restore) and grabbed flag under one second after flag got restored. I also saw support tactics and grabbing setup positions, changing tactics and a lot of teamwork stuff that managed them to win the games.
You are talking about FPS games, the same applies to CS:GO (example). Teamwork, tactics, smokes, rushes, ways, opening frags, the way how they beat sides A/B and how they defend it. Yeah sometimes one person can shine (that's why I said individual skill is important too), but it is MOSTLY about teamwork and setups.
EDIT: Flusha from Fnatic in CSGO was known as the best player in the game for some time. His mindset was amazing, but they were not winning games. His individual skill was great but teamwork was really bad. So he sacrificed his main position and took "supporting and lurking" one to allow his team to do better. And that happend. Fnatic was and still is the best team after changing of positions and improving teamwork in that game.
+ to that cyberbully... No, nothing can hurt me thru the internet. If I don't know person personally and that person is trahtalking about me or making fun of my weakness I just don't care. It's simple. Then it will become really funny for me and I will be even more confident to play against this person.
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look you immature fools. the statements made by steve jobs are constructive and demonstrate his caring for the game that many others fail to show(as seen in most of these useless posts). however, I'd like to point out that one of this game's issues is not the game itself, but the people who play it, run it, and use these forums. First of all, most of the current players are people whho've played in past years. just as the number of people playing the game has significantly decreased, the amount of trash talk has increased these two things have occured because the amount of boredom has increased. with boredom, players have nothing better to do other than trash talk others. for example, poor mr. steve jobs written a 1 page document describing this games faults, and the members of this ignorant community pinpoint the one sentence detailing their skill level, and spend 3 pages ignoring the post's facts arguing over how much skill they have. a topic is made for the well being of the game and all the community cares about is the talent, and the popularity associated with themselves, further increasing the amount of trash talk and killing the game more, even in a topic created to fix the game. the above example shows the results of boredom. However, the causes of boredom are what matter most. steve jobs' post explains all the causes of boredom. almost all of the causes for the boredom are a result of the people who run it. first of all, the guy who made it seems to be inactive and into other games more than the one he created himself. as a result, nothing beneficiary is being done for the game. he needs to realize that others can help with the development/advertisement of the game, and trust them to help do what needs to be done. there are hundreds of maps that have been created, there are about 35servers and at most 30 people playing the game at one time. Across all public servers, there are very few played intotal. a player gets nothin but bored as a result, so they start trash talkin or quit the game. also, players talk about what the committee does, etc. what should be talked about is what the committee doesnt do. none of the committee even plays the game, so they dont even know the issues of the game. well i could go on and on with pages and pages explaining why dp is dead, but ik u fools cant comprehend and will create more pages of trash talk instead
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look you immature fools. the statements made by steve jobs are constructive and demonstrate his caring for the game that many others fail to show(as seen in most of these useless posts). however, I'd like to point out that one of this game's issues is not the game itself, but the people who play it, run it, and use these forums. First of all, most of the current players are people whho've played in past years. just as the number of people playing the game has significantly decreased, the amount of trash talk has increased these two things have occured because the amount of boredom has increased. with boredom, players have nothing better to do other than trash talk others. for example, poor mr. steve jobs written a 1 page document describing this games faults, and the members of this ignorant community pinpoint the one sentence detailing their skill level, and spend 3 pages ignoring the post's facts arguing over how much skill they have. a topic is made for the well being of the game and all the community cares about is the talent, and the popularity associated with themselves, further increasing the amount of trash talk and killing the game more, even in a topic created to fix the game. the above example shows the results of boredom. However, the causes of boredom are what matter most. steve jobs' post explains all the causes of boredom. almost all of the causes for the boredom are a result of the people who run it. first of all, the guy who made it seems to be inactive and into other games more than the one he created himself. as a result, nothing beneficiary is being done for the game. he needs to realize that others can help with the development/advertisement of the game, and trust them to help do what needs to be done. there are hundreds of maps that have been created, there are about 35servers and at most 30 people playing the game at one time. Across all public servers, there are very few played intotal. a player gets nothin but bored as a result, so they start trash talkin or quit the game. also, players talk about what the committee does, etc. what should be talked about is what the committee doesnt do. none of the committee even plays the game, so they dont even know the issues of the game. well i could go on and on with pages and pages explaining why dp is dead, but ik u fools cant comprehend and will create more pages of trash talk instead
Best post so far in the whole thread. The rest of you should all learn from this guy on how to make a constructive and progressive comment, and still be on topic. Thank you for your words Mr.Dooci. Its valid statement, with valid explainations. Its consistent and comprehensive. Know if only majority of dp community where like this.
Individual skill does count. Yeah it is about it, but mostly about teamwork, communication, preparation, etc. For example when I matched prozajik last time on his best map rome: It was pretty even, score like 45 to 45. You can predict moves, and show your individual skill and confidence. But in 2s/3s it is a lot harder to beat them. Last tournament I played, I saw great teamwork from cm8t I have to say. They played against old i6 and prozajik timed (flag restore) and grabbed flag under one second after flag got restored. I also saw support tactics and grabbing setup positions, changing tactics and a lot of teamwork stuff that managed them to win the games.
You are talking about FPS games, the same applies to CS:GO (example). Teamwork, tactics, smokes, rushes, ways, opening frags, the way how they beat sides A/B and how they defend it. Yeah sometimes one person can shine (that's why I said individual skill is important too), but it is MOSTLY about teamwork and setups.
EDIT: Flusha from Fnatic in CSGO was known as the best player in the game for some time. His mindset was amazing, but they were not winning games. His individual skill was great but teamwork was really bad. So he sacrificed his main position and took "supporting and lurking" one to allow his team to do better. And that happend. Fnatic was and still is the best team after changing of positions and improving teamwork in that game.
+ to that cyberbully... No, nothing can hurt me thru the internet. If I don't know person personally and that person is trahtalking about me or making fun of my weakness I just don't care. It's simple. Then it will become really funny for me and I will be even more confident to play against this person.
Like I said before you have valid points, I cant argue with your opinion. Its valid. But I have my opinion about FPS games. As I stated before, I think teamwork is a factor to winning, it certianly addes more chance to winning a match. But I believe that teamwork in FPS games is not the major factor that allows a team to win. Unlike other teambased games, where teamwork is the key to winning, but individual skill level helps with the chances of winning games.
As for toxic and cyberbulling, everyone is affected. Either you or someone will get affected. You have learned to deal with it. Not everyone has. Everyone has different level of effect. You think it doesnt, but it still does effect you. Its just that you have learned to deal with it. Cyberbullying is a real thing. Google it and do some research.
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Dookie do you not mention your own trash talking because you don't want people knowing or because you suck at it so you consider it non existent?
If people are so worried about there being 30 servers with 30 players, get rid of your servers. The hosts know they can do that at any point. Not gonna be judged for it. I think
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Not even going to waste time going through and reading all the posts in this - "this games dead" - "adds trash talk of unskilled players - "continues replying to everyone" ---> Hey everyone, it's Toxiic on a new account. You can tell by his attempt to be grammatically correct, but failing. Also, his mention of league of legends, poor attempt of trash talk, and the way he writes.
HEY TOXIIC.
Now, in terms of "when was the last time these players played with nonames" -- Well, let's just say hypothetically they don't. Hypothetically they are unskilled. In a game over 3v3, where Shockwave is "above average" as you stated, and Myers/Chemical are bad. How does that 3v3 team win consistently against most teams? And the teams that have beaten them, they have beaten too. That would mean, either Shockwave is the best player in this game and can carry 2 awful teammates in order to beat everyone else, or his teammates aren't bad. Now, further to argue your skilled points - you literally named some of the most relevant names in the matching scene to call out as poor. Skill isn't a numerical thing in DP, its subjective, but, "good" is based on competing with others. In terms of competing with other players, every player you mentioned is in the top 10% of the game, therefore are skilled. Myers/Chem/Jeo etc..
Also, your comment about league of legends and toxicity is wrong. League is 100x more toxic than DP2, more excrement talk. Sure, it's bannable. But only about 1% of that game gets perma banned, and most of the time its not for toxicity. Larger games with larger communities actually have more toxicity. The things I say in DP2 would NOT BE BANNABLE in any other game. And, to be honest, people probably wouldn't get butthurt. The only things in League that can get you banned is if you make death threats or very racist remarks - arrogance isnt bannable.
In terms of why the games dying, they weren't "smart points" or "researched points" - they were common sense that have all been stated numerous times by numerous different people. Everyone has a theory for why the games dying. People say "OH THE excrement TALK" have clearly not played other competitive games. You said some good points as to why the games dying, but every point has been said before. Congratulations, you're not smart, you're a noname whos hiding behind an alias because you know that if you wrote on your main account (if its not banned) you'd get no credibility - If you just left your first post as is, instead of showing your true colours, maybe your topic would have been taken seriously.
PS: Your analogy about the committee was hilarious at best. You don't understand the purpose of the committee, and given you mentioned their job being voting on bans, it furthers the awareness that you're a banned player, hence ToXiiC.
@DooCi - If it was constructive and showing his caring about the game, it wouldn't be a permanently banned player writing it. Clearly his caring for the game went wrong somewhere. A guy who intentionally hacked teams? Yeah, I think he must really care. He also hacked teams of the people he claimed were unskilled, just so he can pretend he was a part of their teams.... odd? I always avoided having teams of bad players on my formers.
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Trash talk is always going to be a thing, every game, every aspect of life you'll find it.
I agree with myers' post.
Look at the bigger picture. A team with high caliber players means the team probably has the best chance of winning. But individual skill goes beyond point-and-click KD ratios. As mentioned above by Sqz, sometimes after a player is eliminated, they still contribute a ton to the team because their recon and advice to the players still alive makes for the winning play.
Besides, even if 'shk is good' and 'myers and chem are bad' in a match, you can't deny their overall skill level when you see the team play as a whole. Sorry Myers not trying to boost you up too high haha but I will admit, teams like theirs are able to set up grabs and cap scenarios better than any other team I've played.
^^saying this I consider myself a good individual player, I think I have good aim sure, but I definitely have been outplayed by teams like this in 2v1 situations where their ability to steal a flag on me and catch me out of position, and always be in good position themselves, is evident
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HEY TOXIIC
where does toxic live in Canada?
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FYI - if anyone actually cares about who the author of the post is, whether or not I'm correct about Toxiic - it's a North American player who lives in an area that is central time.
Considering the size of the community, and that he "knows enough to know average people in the matching scene" , should be pretty easy to find who this salty man is.
@Shockk - irrelevant to gameplay and individual skill - his logic didn't make sense. To say Shockwave is average, myers and chemical are bad - then how does this roster continue to win the majority of their games even when coming out of inactivity? What would be good in that case? Since, skill is measured by how you compare to your opponents, and all 3 of us are able to win, and we choose to team together cause we find it a strong roster. So, if 1 or 2 of the players are average/bad, 1 of them must be just the best player in the game no doubt to be able to carry them to victory. Just a silly statement by an uneducated idiot.
PS: you can also know by the players he listed, he's someone who has been around the matching scene recently. Listing names like Whaley etc... and not seeing any "older" players listed. Probably someone recently banned, from CT.
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No Myers, I'm just saying, one of these guys said earlier that one person has skill because they get a lot of kills, while others are bad because they don't and get carried. I'm saying they have to look past KD ratios and see that teamwork and communication is part of skill, and whether or not he says 'you get a lot of kills or not' you guys play exceptionally well and have teamwork most do not have.
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dp isn't dying tho
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FYI - if anyone actually cares about who the author of the post is, whether or not I'm correct about Toxiic - it's a North American player who lives in an area that is central time.
Considering the size of the community, and that he "knows enough to know average people in the matching scene" , should be pretty easy to find who this salty man is.
Answer the question. Which part of Canada is toxiic from?
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the bad part
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Answer the question. Which part of Canada is toxiic from?
He is from Edmonton.
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He is from Edmonton.
Bingo. Where M i from?
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Bingo. Where M i from?
Edmonton aswell.
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Edmonton aswell.
nope.
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I hope the servers will be still online in 2 years.