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Development => Bugs, Feature Requests, and Feedback => Topic started by: Termin8oR on September 18, 2007, 11:15:26 PM

Title: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 18, 2007, 11:15:26 PM
Hey,

 I am having a serious problem with this committing suicide problem with paint nades.
This is becoming very annoying and it needs to be removed by my opinion.
or
Instead of a suicide, how about if you hit yourself with the paint nade you loss 100 paint balls and if you have less then 100 you go down to 10 paint balls.

I really would like something new instead of a suicide.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Spook on September 18, 2007, 11:16:42 PM
Helps the other team in your case :P Timed nades don't kill you anyways, just primed ones
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 18, 2007, 11:19:37 PM
No, i know that.
But what im talking about when you toss a normal nade and it bounces back at you and explodes under you and it kills you.
I dont want that mistake to happen anymore.
and i if it didnt help i would like it better.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Eiii on September 18, 2007, 11:27:31 PM
Use nades more carefully?
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: nopyo on September 18, 2007, 11:28:09 PM
Quote
Timed nades don't kill you anyways, just primed ones

What's the logic behind that?
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 18, 2007, 11:29:02 PM
Use nades more carefully?

I would but when its just to get rid of and it happens to land under me i cant move super fast like Flash Gordon.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Eiii on September 18, 2007, 11:30:56 PM
dropgren if you must get rid of them.

OR

Throw genades more carefully.

Actually, now that I think about it, I seem to have a similar problem: other teams' paintballs keep killing me. This is becoming quite an issue. Could some kind of paint-shield be implemented so that these pesky balls stop eliminating me? Ruins the game, in my opinion.


What's the logic behind that?
You can't suicide bomb with primed nades.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: P!nk on September 18, 2007, 11:31:45 PM
If it wasn't in there you would have newbdininjas throwing them around like tossed salad and such, especially if the admins decided to put the # of nades way up there. And from the main forum page the first part of this thread title is very scary, I was a bit worried about what would be in here.

Isn't there a way to turn it off, anyway? If not, an option for that might be a good fix, then your next step is annoying admins so they will change it.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 18, 2007, 11:49:49 PM
Well i still say having it reduce your paint balls instead of a suicide would be a much greater part of the game because im tired of committing suicide when its not the action im trying to accomplish.

Please think about this Jitspoe, i think this would be a great idea for the game in the next build.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: DaRkNeSS on September 19, 2007, 12:00:41 AM
I frequently pjack in the middle of priming a nade, and I end up killing myself.  I think the suicide should be taken off as well.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: nopyo on September 19, 2007, 12:09:26 AM
It's also annoying when right after you throw a nade, a teammate just jumps right in front of you, hits the nade, and you get killed on the bounce-back. So another option is to make it so that nades won't explode upon impact with a teammate.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: coLa on September 19, 2007, 12:13:25 AM
Helps the other team in your case :P Timed nades don't kill you anyways, just primed ones

and impact nades. i do believe in scenario play even if you hit yourself with a paint grenade you are eliminated. i think thats how it goes. i think its any kinda of paint and you are out. but not too sure. correct me if i am wrong.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 19, 2007, 12:14:40 AM
See those are all the things im talking about that should be fixed because its getting stupid and frustrating.
Especially in a match or tournament.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: KnacK on September 19, 2007, 06:15:17 AM
See those are all the things im talking about that should be fixed because its getting stupid and frustrating.
Especially in a match or tournament.


Then add it to the feature vote thread.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: XtremeBain on September 19, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
Grenade suicides are the only thing that keeps newbies and Europeans from grenade rushing every round.  I think grenade ffire should be turned on as well.  I would also like to see the grenade defaults changed from 2 paint 1 smoke to 1 paint 3 smoke.  Smoke grenades can be very strategic, but not so much when people throw the only one just to pick up that last paint grenade.

Edit: typo
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: DrRickDaglessMD on September 19, 2007, 10:27:53 AM
what has does fact a player is european have to do with them being compelled to grenade rush every round?

I think the implementation as it is is fine, Eiii said it perfectly imo.

- Dagless
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: coLa on September 19, 2007, 01:04:06 PM
just leave it the way it is and learn how to and where to throw nades. simple.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 19, 2007, 01:40:26 PM
True, but i will add it to the Feature Vote Thread like Knack said.

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: iEATnoobs on September 20, 2007, 09:03:16 PM
Nobody. Kills themselves more with nades than me. I average at least 3 suicides per match.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 20, 2007, 11:22:34 PM
LoL
I have noticed, so this is another reasons why I would like an alternate action instead of a suicide.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xena on September 20, 2007, 11:51:59 PM
I would also like to see the grenade defaults changed from 2 paint 1 smoke to 1 paint 3 smoke.  Smoke grenades can be very strategic, but no so much when people throw the only one just to pick up that last paint grenade.

interesting idea but you're going to have a bunch of people throw the smoke nade and go for the paint and smoke their own base... why can't some people learn to the the "drop grenade" command? The default setting is 6.

i get what termin8or is saying cause it's very frustrating to throw the nade as a teammate walk/run in front of you. but i guess you just need to learn to where you throw it. the idea has its pros and cons.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 21, 2007, 12:00:17 AM
yeah it has major advantages and disadvantages.

But like I have been saying instead of a suicide 50% of the time maybe a loss of paint balls or drops your gun automatically?
Something other than a death.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Herron on September 21, 2007, 03:00:47 AM
only sissies use primed grenades
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Playah on September 21, 2007, 11:54:52 AM
IF there really is going to be done something, then just make the nades paint reach less.
I'm fine with it how it is at the moment.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: lekky on September 21, 2007, 03:48:57 PM
Grenade suicides are the only thing that keeps newbies and europeans from grenade rushing every round.

Considering you said that, I find its usually the kids pinging over 100 in OTB servers that actually kill themeselves every round, followed by "gee whizz, this darn grenade killed me again ma"
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xena on September 21, 2007, 08:59:22 PM
to which you get the "noob" responds... lol

loss of paintball is not a good idea since you just pick up stuff later. you want a penalty on the suicides... dropping the gun automatically means you still have the pgp. they can still defend themselves

how 'bout this... rather then dropping the gun automatically, your co2 reloads itself automatically? you can't shoot and you're totally defenseless... now you definitely need your evading skills
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: magalhaes on September 21, 2007, 08:59:41 PM
When is someone like bain doing that kind of comments (and its not the first time), instead of the usual ignorant americans, i really feel like theres nothing we can do besides live with it, wich is really sad..
meh..who cares, just a game right? :)
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xena on September 21, 2007, 09:03:13 PM
meh..who cares, just a game right? :)
yup :) if only some kids realize it's only a game...
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on September 21, 2007, 11:36:36 PM
Reloading your air automatically is another good suggestion and i would rather that then a suicide added to my score.
And the suicide eliminates me from that round.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: spacepirate on September 22, 2007, 12:13:38 AM
How about making the nades less bouncy?  Is that even an option?
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Dirty_Taco on September 22, 2007, 09:46:45 AM
Quote
Grenade suicides are the only thing that keeps newbies and europeans from grenade rushing every round.  I think grenade ffire should be turned on as well.  I would also like to see the grenade defaults changed from 2 paint 1 smoke to 1 paint 3 smoke.  Smoke grenades can be very strategic, but no so much when people throw the only one just to pick up that last paint grenade.

qft

If you've ever played a map like PBCup where a team is able to throw insta-nades at their feet then you know where Xbain is coming from.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 22, 2007, 08:21:42 PM
Taking paint away? What's the logic behind that?
Would a person, in a real game, throw a nade, hit a tree or some such object,
get covered in their own paint,
flip their gun over and let their balls out of the hopper, and be back in?

That idea makes absolutely no sense, as well as making the game even MORE unrealistic
which is bad. I'm afraid to ask how you got this idea, for fear you might answer
that your little sister told you to suggest it.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: DaRkNeSS on September 23, 2007, 02:15:07 AM
Chillout fullmetal, although I don't like the idea either, it's not as whack as many of the ideas that have been suggested.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 23, 2007, 12:48:07 PM
Yeah, but still... it may not be as whack, but it makes alot less sense.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: lekky on September 23, 2007, 01:37:45 PM
Yeah, but still... it may not be as whack, but it makes alot less sense.

Have you read some of the other recent suggestions? :P
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 23, 2007, 09:10:49 PM
losing paint does nothing in maps where theres alot of boxes.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: blaa on September 24, 2007, 12:51:24 PM
losing paint does nothing in maps where theres alot of boxes.

that made sense
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: XtremeBain on September 24, 2007, 03:59:04 PM
what has does fact a player is european have to do with them being compelled to grenade rush every round?
Considering you said that, I find its usually the kids pinging over 100 in OTB servers that actually kill themeselves every round, followed by "gee whizz, this darn grenade killed me again ma"
When is someone like bain doing that kind of comments (and its not the first time), instead of the usual ignorant americans, i really feel like theres nothing we can do besides live with it, wich is really sad..
meh..who cares, just a game right? :)

Sorry for acting all American and "hating on" Europeans.  Let me clarify my post.

If you are European and have started playing before July 9th 2001, then this and my previous statement were not intended towards you (I am truly sorry, Ruddy :'().  Regardless of whether or not you are European and you have started playing on or after July 9th 2001, then you have never had the experience of playing with the original paint grenades.  If you have never played with the original paint grenades, then it is highly likely that your tactics when it comes to the use of the paint grenades probably have involved you throwing them at your feet to eliminate up to 6 opponents at once.

During this time; since there are typically two paint grenades for each team, which spawn every thirty seconds, by the end of a map your feet are probably covered in your own paint.  Since jitspoe has enforced the grenade suicide rule, players' pants and shoes have much cleaner and paint grenade spam is almost tolerable by those who have started playing prior to July 9th 2001.

The standard grenade settings as they are right now are pretty good considering how horrible they've been in recent years.  For competitive rules, I wouldn't mind seeing friendly fire turned on for grenades since throwing them besides teammates to save them is pretty cheap.  This is definitely not a feasible setting for pubs though.

I think that losing your ammo, gun, hopper, barrel, whatever isn't a very good idea either.  Grenade suicide is a concequence you have to take when using this ultra-death weapon.  If you unbind +tossgren from your panic button, you won't kill yourself with them nearly as much.  I've probably killed myself with a paint grenade twice in the last ten matches.  I can say I've foolishly jumped into the most obvious lines a lot more than twice in those same ten.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 24, 2007, 07:31:45 PM
that made sense
*boxes of ammo. Sorry, I thought it was pretty obvious what I was talking about.

Thank you XtremeBain. Finally some one else realizes what I've been saying.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xena on September 24, 2007, 09:17:27 PM
xtremebain... that's the most logical thing i've read. it's been years since i played dp (as q2mod) that i dont remember the settings... but i still love those old maps :)

people should either learn to throw a grenade properly or unbind it (as xtremebain said).
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: lekky on September 26, 2007, 07:23:07 PM
xtremebain... that's the most logical thing i've read. it's been years since i played dp (as q2mod) that i dont remember the settings... but i still love those old maps :)

people should either learn to throw a grenade properly or unbind it (as xtremebain said).

Europeans*

Because obviously every European, and only Europeans don't use a gun, but simply throw grenades at their feet all map.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on September 26, 2007, 08:14:10 PM
Indeed.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xena on September 26, 2007, 08:35:04 PM
Europeans*

Because obviously every European, and only Europeans don't use a gun, but simply throw grenades at their feet all map.

i suppose that's true... it would explain the grenade war map on the OTB server...
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: magalhaes on September 27, 2007, 10:49:01 AM
And now KoreMagna is going to explain to us why I only see players pinging 150+ on the OTB server when that map is on.
Guys, there are more NA players so there are more good NA players AND there are more noob NA players. simple.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xena on September 27, 2007, 03:51:28 PM
i'm not going to explain anything... i'm just saying the map "Grenade War" only runs on the OTB fast server :P I, personally, play on that server because it's a fast server, not because of the map.

That map is fun for the first few times and then it just get boring...
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: jitspoe on October 01, 2007, 03:45:17 PM
I'm curious - how are you throwing paint grenades so that you're getting hit by them?  They should be really easy to dodge considering you control where they go.  Yeah, every once in a while you have a teammate jump in front of you as you're throwing, but that's pretty rare and should only be happening on pubs unless your clan is really uncoordinated.  Frankly, if you're so bad at throwing grenades that you're hitting yourself, you deserve to be killed by them.

As mentioned before, losing ammo or CO2 for hitting yourself with a grenade just doesn't make sense.  Also, you may not be aware of this, but the self kills are only applicable on servers that have impact grenades enabled or if you use primed grenades (+tossgren).  If you use the old style timed grenades (luck bombs) on a server that has impact grenades disabled, they don't self-kill (because I had some people whining and crying about how they couldn't use grenades like they used to).
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 01, 2007, 08:17:28 PM
WOW! Yeah! Tell it like it is, Jitspoe!
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on October 02, 2007, 02:39:58 PM
Okay thank you Jitspoe i understand now, and i will try not to use impact grenades then cause I will toss a nade over the barrels on pbcup then when i rush in after it explodes into my pocket and I die.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Edgecrusher on October 02, 2007, 07:44:44 PM
If that works for you, then by all means, go for it ;)
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: loial21 on October 03, 2007, 09:25:39 PM

Priming it then rushing?

Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on October 03, 2007, 10:47:44 PM
I would toss the grenade then after I threw it I would run in after and have it explode in my face.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: jitspoe on October 04, 2007, 07:53:37 PM
I would toss the grenade then after I threw it I would run in after and have it explode in my face.
Well, quit doing that. :P
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: eradicator on October 07, 2007, 01:53:31 AM
I don't think there have been that many times where I've killed my self with a nade. I guess I'm just not suicide prone. :P
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 07, 2007, 06:29:22 PM
The only times I've killed myself with nades are A) playing at 2 in the morning, tired as ****, and B) purposely (like when you're in a small room with like 4 or 5 opponents... etc. etc.)
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Xile on October 14, 2007, 04:39:49 PM
The only thing that concerns me is people starting to hold onto grenades in matches on purpose. To kill themselves to end the round when they know the other team will cap....

I cannot fathom why nobody else has thought of this....
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: nopyo on October 14, 2007, 06:35:47 PM
Good point.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on October 14, 2007, 07:07:33 PM
Hmmmm.
I thought this topic died along time ago!
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: coLa on October 15, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
The only thing that concerns me is people starting to hold onto grenades in matches on purpose. To kill themselves to end the round when they know the other team will cap....

I cannot fathom why nobody else has thought of this....

if the other team has the flag you cannot kill yourself with a nade or by drowning yourself. so that is really of no concern.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: James on October 15, 2007, 06:04:13 PM
Easy fix, just go back to the way it was a few years ago. No primed/impact nades at all. It'll be easy, we can change it and not tell anyone just like when it was put in.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on October 16, 2007, 01:36:52 AM
Agreed. This would really show who has the best aim. Nades are fun, but not during a match.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: eradicator on October 16, 2007, 04:30:10 PM
Wow xile I never thought of that. Good point.
Hmmmmmm maybe this suicide thing shouldn't happen after all.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: coLa on October 16, 2007, 07:14:40 PM
if the other team has the flag you cannot kill yourself with a nade or by drowning yourself. so that is really of no concern.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: MiZ on October 22, 2007, 03:55:17 PM
Nades eliminating yourself does get anoying a lot of times,if u make a lot of mistakes.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 22, 2007, 04:00:34 PM
Nades eliminating yourself does get anoying a lot of times,if u make a lot of mistakes.
*cough*REDBLOOD98*cough*about15timesinonegame*cough*
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Eiii on October 22, 2007, 04:02:08 PM
Hopefully that'll teach you to make less mistakes.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: MiZ on October 22, 2007, 04:04:05 PM
yep,it does ;D
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Red Blood98 on October 22, 2007, 04:09:37 PM
*cough*REDBLOOD98*cough*about15timesinonegame*cough*
I WAS JUST JOKING AROUND!!!
AND YOU KNOW IT!
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 22, 2007, 04:34:22 PM
Eh? You kept killing yourself... That's not really joking. Speaking of, have you seen Whinnie on lately? I'm apparently supposed to give him a "tryout"
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Red Blood98 on October 22, 2007, 05:07:09 PM
Eh? You kept killing yourself... That's not really joking. Speaking of, have you seen Whinnie on lately? I'm apparently supposed to give him a "tryout"
I was joking around....I was just throwing nades cuz there was a lot of them...so I wanted to make a smiley face...and it wasn't working..and no..I could care less about whinnie.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Termin8oR on October 22, 2007, 05:09:05 PM
Wow, this topic is still alive.
Title: Re: Commiting Suicide with Nades
Post by: Fullmetal_Steeb on October 23, 2007, 06:11:56 PM
I was joking around....I was just throwing nades cuz there was a lot of them...so I wanted to make a smiley face...and it wasn't working..and no..I could care less about whinnie.
Dood. you were complaining about dying. You weren't messing around. And before you say you werent complaining, I'm watching the demo right now, and you were. Phil's seen the demo. You were. Stop trying to make it seem like you don't blow.