Please unban Navyseal from the forums

[Toxiic]

Glad you said players and not users :p.

Despite that, there are still obvious potential reasons why you would want to ban a player.

Spamming being one, posting potential harmful content or as mentioned above posting link to cheats are another examples.

Why would you not want to ban someone, who is deliberately trying exploit the game you created? That is actually the only thing that makes sense to me.

Also, noticed how this post slowly turned into discussion about ban? Not to mention this post was off-topic since the beginning because flamer is asking for an impossible thing.

Simple answer: Young and stupid.

[atmays]

Look at Sherlock Prozajik. Great work, great work!

[prozajik]

Look at Sherlock Prozajik. Great work, great work!

That was elementary my dear Watson.

[flamer]

First of all, I'm in a clan with Navyseal when writing this text.

Also, Navy isn't BANNED FROM THE GAME. He is BANNED FROM THE FORUMS.

This Post was a fun post I created that turned into a flamefest.

PS, Prozajik, you are not smart at all.


Edit: By the way, Navy got unbanned 3years ago.

[prozajik]

PS, Prozajik, you are not smart at all.

That was elementary my dear Watson.

This Post was a fun post I created that turned into a flamefest.

Fun in what way exactly? "Oh yea, I have an idea, since I want my friend to be unbanned I will request his demo, that will make everyone talk about him and his ban on forum and when they will pity him that he can't post here and unban him I will tell them that it was my intention the whole time and how good I got them, omg that's gonna be so funny, I am sure we are all gonna have blast about it later on!"

Flamefest? I never flamed anyone, merely voicing my opinions and questioning your intentions. The only one who is flaming here are you flamer (o.m.g. that was like soooo smart)

[CheMiCal]

and this is why we'll never grow as a community.

[Toxiic]

and this is why we'll never grow as a community.

^x10

Who gives a intercourse about the forums anyway? He's not banned from the game. He's not hacking. He not distributing. Etc etc etc. Why keep his forums acc banned when the man is unbanned? He's an active player. He realized his mistake that was made when he was young and stupid.

Honestly, I got banned forever for posting a fake porn webiste that didn't even exist. Sense level much great

[flamer]

^x10

Who gives a intercourse about the forums anyway? He's not banned from the game. He's not hacking. He not distributing. Etc etc etc. Why keep his forums acc banned when the man is unbanned? He's an active player. He realized his mistake that was made when he was young and stupid.

Honestly, I got banned forever for posting a fake porn webiste that didn't even exist. Sense level much great

This. Right on  @Noobzajik

[webhead]

I'm just a little confused as to why you chose this way to bring ban policy into question rather than just asking directly about the policy. Like you were being sneaky or something when it wasn't even necessary.

So anyway, about policy: maybe we should do like governments sometimes do and basically reset your criminal record when you turn 17 or 18. Opinions?

[Toxiic]

I'm just a little confused as to why you chose this way to bring ban policy into question rather than just asking directly about the policy. Like you were being sneaky or something when it wasn't even necessary.

So anyway, about policy: maybe we should do like governments sometimes do and basically reset your criminal record when you turn 17 or 18. Opinions?

You don't seem to understand. I'll make it simple. This is a game. Its a dead game. There are a handful of people that play this dead game. Its not a government. Its not life changing. Its a game forums. Of a dead game.

Oh did I mention this get is dead?

BTW, we aren't even talking about him being banned in the game; but being banned in a dead games forums. Where the player has served his time, is free to play the game, who plays actively. Who's part of the community. Who is a member of this games dead clan scene. That player is banned from the forums; which is created for those who are active within the community, game, clan scene. The forums represents a more accurate community of this game.


Makes sense to ban a player from a forums forever; who isn't even banned from the game.

Its like someone who's served time in jail for any sort of crime, his citizenship is taken. Citizenship=forums.

[webhead]

Honestly, I got banned forever for posting a fake porn webiste that didn't even exist. Sense level much great

The longest ban I see on you was 32 days, not permanent, so not sure what you're talking about.

You won't get any argument from me on whether a bit of leniency is suitable here (unfortunately I don't know much about him or the situation) but it's not my say.

[prozajik]

Who gives a intercourse about the forums anyway? He's not banned from the game. He's not hacking. He not distributing. Etc etc etc. Why keep his forums acc banned when the man is unbanned? He's an active player. He realized his mistake that was made when he was young and stupid.

Finally a logical argument, thank you for that. Was waiting for this the whole time, since it's the only thing you could possibly come up with.

But this logic has a flaw, at least from what I read here, no idea if it's that way. Afaik, he posted cheats on forums but wasn't actually caught using them -> he was punished because  he posted cheats on forum -> he violated forum agreement not the game agreement.

Even if he would have used cheats in game, it wouldn't have changed anything pretty much.

[Toxiic]

The longest ban I see on you was 32 days, not permanent, so not sure what you're talking about.

You won't get any argument from me on whether a bit of leniency is suitable here (unfortunately I don't know much about him or the situation) but it's not my say.

This account had a perma ban on it. Im sure other members like superman or jitspoe know this.

Finally a logical argument, thank you for that. Was waiting for this the whole time, since it's the only thing you could possibly come up with.

But this logic has a flaw, at least from what I read here, no idea if it's that way. Afaik, he posted cheats on forums but wasn't actually caught using them -> he was punished because  he posted cheats on forum -> he violated forum agreement not the game agreement.

Even if he would have used cheats in game, it wouldn't have changed anything pretty much.

He was banned from the game for distribution of hacks as well.... He evaded several times. He got his time reset. He then served his whole time. He also got perma banned from the forums when he was initially banned.

Did I mention this game is dead?

[webhead]

Did I mention this game is dead?

That alone is not a reason to make exceptions to a policy that at least makes partial sense. Just because there's barely a community doesn't mean one should be created by (hypothetically) allowing it to consist of rule breakers and the like.

[MyeRs]

and this is why we'll never grow as a community.

Incorrect. The fact that you are here after how many years? Shows we grew as a community. The fact that everyone in this thread has forum/game accounts older than 5 years shows we all grew as a community.

The issue was as the years went on, less new people came to the game, therefore less new people to stick around, therefore less players. This had nothing to do with the community itself, cause the way people acted typically stemmed from the generation prior to them, and I know the people who played before me had actually worse attitudes than myself (JiGSaW etc.).

The game got out dated. No game is forever. League, a way larger game, will be dead in the next 10 years.

This game only lasted because the community grew together.

Most "really old" players who pop in are shocked this games even alive. It's impressive that it's lasted this long, and that is, for the most part, because of the community. Stop giving the community excrement, cause this entire game was only what the community made it to be.

[webhead]

The game got out dated. No game is forever. League, a way larger game, will be dead in the next 10 years.

This game only lasted because the community grew together.

I'll have to agree with that. The reason the DP community's activity has slacked off is that (1) games are a time-sensitive thing, and PB2 has already had its heyday of being more current; (2) jitspoe simply cannot match the development speed of a commercial software firm, and thus many people moved on to bigger/better things; (3) very few developers have stepped up and helped jits out on important stuff, so the game doesn't really progress much. Things like that.
I personally would love to put way more time and effort into this game/community, but I just don't have as much time as I would like.

[prozajik]

Most "really old" players who pop in are shocked this games even alive. It's impressive that it's lasted this long, and that is, for the most part, because of the community. Stop giving the community excrement, cause this entire game was only what the community made it to be.

TBH, this game has outlived every other game I knew. It survived even CS (yea, sure there is a new version of CS now, but that wouldn't be fair to take into account, 1.6 has been dead for over a year while PB still was fairly active for its own community size). There are few other games like PB, eg. Soldat, which died much sooner and were never as active as PB in the first place.

There are probably always gonna be people playing this game, at least few of them, just like in other games. But I wonder how long PB actually survived/is surviving? 12 years? I am thinking even more, might be one of the longest surviving games ever.

If PB was to survive and take steps as other games, jitspoe needed to move to a new engine 3-4 years ago while keeping the gameplay. But that was never going to happen with just basically one guy developing it. I would say PB did overwhelmingly well for what this game is.

[Toxiic]

Why has this thread moved from talking about ma niqqah navy to talking about why this gem is dead?  Its a fact this gaem is dead. Congrats for letting us know why this game is dead. Not the issue here though. Issue is this game is dead we still have playerz account on a dead games forum banned when they aren't even banned in the game anymore. Who have served there time, who are a active player in the community. I don't need no bullexcrement from players who I have yet to see play tell me that this guy deserves a perma ban on a forum of a dead game. Myers and proza that's not to you.

Here's a fact: this game's community hasn't growen. Why do people think that it has? It's actually dropped. The game had more active players who actual could play in the clan scene, 10 years ago. Even 5 years ago. Sure some of them comeback. Majority of them haven't.  Majority of them left. Even with common sense we can conclude that this game is on a decline, hence the community dropping. More players are leaving then players sticking around. For every 100 new accounts made only a few come and regularly play on a server. Out of a 1000 new accounts made only 1-2 players coming to the clan scene. Out of 1000 they are most likely a Euro player. Rarely have new players came to the clan scene. And by the time some do, other old players have left the game. Some do return, only to find there is 10x less players in the game they thought at that time was "dead". Its pretty obvious that this game has not moved upwards; but downwards. As for Jitspoe not been ing able to development this game and etc. Well he should just sell the game, and when selling make a contract that he will still have administration to the game and development. This game could of been sold 7 years ago easy. We understand that this game is his hobby, his creation. But, he also needs to understand and balance out the needs and wants of the game and what is best for this gem.

I love how you guys bring in "cs" into this. The game is 1000x bigger then this game. Game has been keeping up-to-date. Even with new versions of the game, its continuously growing. If that franchise decided to leave 1-3 servers open for just CS they would have a 10x larger community. Q2 community is larger then paintballs. I love how we don't talk about older games that have a larger community then this game; but use examples that don't even make sense, one-sided with minipulated information to prove a point. This gem gets zero people in a server a lot of times. Q2 on the other side, haven't seen such a phenomena.

[MON1TOR]

Sorry for interupting your discussion, all new threads are offtopic, so Ill also post offtopic stuff. A quick query of features wich could make the game more popular.

(maybe some "TF2" elements arent the best)
[Improvement] New Engine, based on ue4, with q2 elements like strafing.
[Improvement] New Map format, better mapmaking tool with new, better UI
[Improvement] Better smoke nades (sqz)
[Improvement] More customizable HUD
[Feature] Google Lato-like font / 2 fonts (Default and Lato)
[Feature] TF2-style separated chat and elim. log
[Feature] Offline and LAN-only mode
[Feature] HR16 texture pack (should be default)
[Improvement] No "You eliminated ..." and "... eliminated you" popups (TF2-style elim. log instead)
[Improvement] Improved TF2-similar death animation (body falls to the ground) and killercam
[Feature] TF2-style weapon system (map weapon pickups could remain part of game, but default/spawn gun should be based on the dplogin.com playerstats if logged in. if not, use localstats)(ex. 1-1000 kills PGP, 1000-2000 stingray, etc)

[xrichardx]

Maybe some moderator can split this topic at the point where it started being about why this game is dead (I guess MyeRs' post is the start of that) since the current discussion is not about NavySeal at all anymore.

@MON1TOR:
Almost all of these things have been discussed somewhere else, there is no reason to write them down here without any context, especially when there are problems that no solution has been found for with these features. People saying stuff like "this has to be done to make this game more active" should either do it themselves or don't write at all (wasn't your intention to learn C and help?). If you want to express that you would like to have something implemented, you can vote on the feature list. We already got a list of things to do there, and it's long. Reposting these things again and again won't help with the actual progress.

New Engine: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=27739.0
New Map Format: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=11179
Better Smoke Nades: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=28004.0
Customizable Hud: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=12328
New Text Engine: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=15095
Chat end Elim log separated: -- (I don't think that is important)
Offline / LAN-mode: --
HR16 texture pack: -- (sure, create some textures, people will use them if they are good)
No popups: -- (not important IMO)
Death animation / kill cam: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=11159 / http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=11176
Playerstats: -- can't find something right now but I'm sure this also has been discussed somewhere else.
Weapon System: Give better players better weapons? Where's the point? So noobs can get more frustrated because they get the bad weapons? -1