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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Dirty_Taco on December 10, 2005, 12:48:38 PM
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One day last week, digi and I observed a match where [EG] (Clipz' clan) played [eXT]. We noticed after a few rounds that Clipz was wallhacking so we both decided to demo him. Digi used a method a demoing where after each round where we saw Clipz do something obvious he would stop the demo and start a new one. This allowed for much greater organization when trying to find the best clips to put in this movie. I suggest this method to anyone demoing a wallhacker.
Some notes about the match: The match was 3 versus 3 with [eXT] picking castle1, [EG] picking 2fort5 and the tie map being shazam, from which [eXT] came back from a significant deficit to win.
Some notes about the video: The video itself is 96 megabytes. It is 4:30 minutes long. It contains clips from the most obvious 8 demos of clipz wallhacking (of which there were approximately 40). It also has a short intro and outro, the former of which shows clipz' picture (in cases of hacking one needs to add insult to injury which clipz' picture achieves this to a degree we couldn't have even wished for). The latter rolls some credits on who helped in the video production. The video switches inbetween recordings with a wallhack and recordings without a wallhack wherever it serves to strengthen the evidence. Finally, the video includes some special effects, not only because they are enjoyable, but, in some cases, they serve to strengthen the evidence as well.
The video was primarily produced by S8N, who did an excellent job, much more than we could have asked for. He used Fraps to capture the video and Sony Vegas Video to edit the video.
Link to the video:
http://rapidshare.de/files/8908125/clipzhax.zip.html
A secondary link to the video:
http://www.logictechnologies.com/keith/stuff/clipzhax.zip
Try not to use the secondary link unless you really need too. You will not get greater than 15k-20k download speeds and you will be sucking up S8N's bandwidth.
Conclusion: This video offers not merely compelling evidence that Clipz is a wallhacker, but rather, objective fact. Therefore we (eR33t) ask all server administrators to please ban Clipz from your servers. Furthermore, to any others wallhacking out there: We now have the tools to create a video of anyone wallhacking. We will be collecting demos of any suspect of wallhacking and hopefully be making videos. Thus I would refrain from wallhacking unless you wish to be publicly humiliated and banned from all the dp servers, like our good friend Clipz.
A link to the demos taken:
http://www.ihud.com/file.php?file=061205/1133845932/clipz.zip
A listing of the demos used:
clipz2.dm2
clipz4.dm2
clipz6.dm2
clipz9.dm2
clipz11.dm2
clipz12.dm2
clipz16.dm2
clipz25.dm2
Post Script: To anyone who enjoys this video, please thank S8N if you get the chance, he did an incredible job and went far beyond what we had initially asked of him.
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I'm sure it's the only time in his whole life he'll ever have used hacks...
/me waits for someone other than Clipz's brother, aminal walrus, to reply
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Outstanding work S8N, entertaining enough, yet it still gets the point across.
Quite ironic when Clipz was one of the first to accuse me of hacking and was also being somewhat rude to just about everyone.
Payback day, it seems, has come. Along with the end of quite a few legendary hackers.
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In order for bans to be effective server administrators will require his IP address or each of the subnets he can possibly receive an IP on. Please provide these as well as the hostmasks associated to the addresses he has been using so that server admins can easily add him to the ban lists. I'm sure date/timestamps if you have them from IRC would be great help as well.
I will consult with IronFist regarding measures taken for his removal from the OminousBlue servers once his IPs have been provided.
When I dealt with cheaters and trouble makers on the eR33t server I typically found that they went to great measures to circumvent their bans such as: new player identities, new internet service provider, taking on the identity of a former player to request subnet ban removal, and in one case all of the above. Server admins, please don't let such behavior pass beneath your radars.
eR33t's force of tactical ninjas will be persuing Clipz via use of military band GPS (they have receivers integrated in their forearms). New IPs and network access will be reported to this thread through an eR33t member.
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Very conclusive. An outstanding video to say the least S8N. Too bad we didn't do this sort of thing when GaNja was around. :(
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I just want to say a few things...
While making this video I often thought of Clipz, and how this might feel if done to me. I thought that this could really ruin something he loves to do, and how sad that would be. But, I always seemed to settle on the fact that he cheated, and that is something I dislike very much.
During the creation of this video I watched every single frame of each video many many times over. I looked hard for proof, on each incedent, that he was, or was not, hacking definitively. Not only did my eyes and ears tell me that this was indeed a hack-in-progress, but Clipz has also admitted to the offense to people. This, although quite bad in itself, could be forgivable except for the fact that he has stated that he doesn't give a POOP, and no one can do anything about it. If you take Skater, for instance...he hacked, got caught, owned up to it, and the community, for the most part, has forgiven him.
The hacking must cease. I am ready, willing, and able to further expose anyone caught, beyond a shadow of a doubt, wallhacking. This goes for anyone, period...no one will be immune from this...no one.
If you think eR33t hacks I challenge you to come forth with definitive proof. I have examined each eR33t individual closely in demos and play. These guys use skill and brains, and that's it.
I know bitmate was interested in how I did this video. If anyone is interested in any of the technical details of this video just create a new thread about it and I will lay out the process best I can.
later peeps.
Cheers...to a hack free DP.
[eR33t]S8N
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s8n- GREAT JOB man
thx for exposing this beast.
clipz- even though your dp days are over i hope you think of me when you are eating your bon-bons
Your mamma got a lil mad clipz :
(http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/fat-thumb2.jpg)
so did your daddy:
(http://www.r-vision.cz/images/usa/18%20Hoover%20Dam/009%20Fat%20Man%20on%20Parking%20place.jpg)
great job s8n but you failed to mention er33t's modified hitboxes :)
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lmao, great vid S8N, glad I could take part in it :p
I only posted cause DT wanted to feel like a man.
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Congrats you got me!! Now who gives a intercourse you all act like you never have dont it before when i have asked and 99% of the people say they have....... good job s8n cool video... loved it haha...
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Congrats you got me!! Now who gives a intercourse you all act like you never have dont it before when i have asked and 99% of the people say they have....... good job s8n cool video... loved it haha...
No, most of us have never used it in a match.
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Clipz's IP: 66.31.93.48
Clipz's Hostmask: c-66-31-93-48.hsd1.nh.comcast.net
From what I can tell this appears to be more or less static.
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I refuse to forgive skater.
On another note, clipz, you suck at life, go cut yourself.
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whats a modified hit box?
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whats a modified hit box?
This is actually a good question, considering it is all the rage amongst the haquer scene.
"Gonna use modified hitboxes?"
I guess these people have moved to magical server exploitation.
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whats a modified hit box?
This is actually a good question, considering it is all the rage amongst the haquer scene.
"Gonna use modified hitboxes?"
I guess these people have moved to magical server exploitation.
What? I dont get it :(
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loial: hitboxes are all serverside. Thus if you wanted to modify hitboxes you would have to somehow hack the server/the server code. Therefore your incredibly astute teammate 'Sandman' and his genius claim that "I know eR33t modifies their hitboxes... I know you can do that sh.it" is reveling of his utter ignorance.
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Not his claim. According to pink its the rage agmost the haquer seen. That is all i know.
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HAHAHAHAHahha
I love you Loial. You make my day every post. :)
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WHat is ur point dude? I dont hack? Why dont you better explain your self?
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Actually, that is his claim. Xtremebain and I were listening to him talk with boomer on GT ventrilo under pseudonyms. He explicitly said that 'BoB uses serious hacks and the rest of eR33t modify's their source code.' He knew we shrunk our hitboxes because he 'knew it was possible' when in fact, it is not.
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Actually, that is his claim. Xtremebain and I were listening to him talk with boomer on GT ventrilo under pseudonyms. He explicitly said that 'BoB uses serious hacks and the rest of eR33t modify's their source code.' He knew we shrunk our hitboxes because he 'knew it was possible' when in fact, it is not.
Real mature. OF both parties . Do you have proof?
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Well, if you consider the multiple people on ventrilo in that channel at the time affirming my statements as proof, then yes i do. Do you have proof of MeRL wallhacking or paintballs swerving around him?
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No i saw what i saw , and explained it for him. BTW why are you ignoreing my positive points?
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One thing we can say is I saw a nade bounce off of you. Obviously this was bad luck on our part, also I witnessed when you were camping in indune ( your flag base) nd killed me I then witnessed Sandman shoot over 15 balls right out you then at 15' or so the balls started angleing consistantly away from you to your right, this must have been his barrel choice but its was 15 ' at most with autococker and as soon as the ball got within 2' for you it angled. They looked weird that is all. Now all of this, I am saying is from my perspective with out getttign to talk about it with my clan. I dont have a mic sadly. Matches chould not count unless all parties agreee to demo the match
Alright loial21, lets see your demo of these events. I don't mind taking the time to watch through them to examine what you've claimed. If you don't have a demo (i.e. wasn't recording), then stop making statements like this. MeRL's demo in this situation will show little to no evidence of cheating if what you're claiming is actually an 'exploit'.
I cannot speak on behalf of the entire eR33t team, but I have demos recorded of every match I've participated in since Alpha14 was available for linux. Start by taking the initiative yourself, so convincing others isn't as hard.
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As for Sandman's claims, I had heard them live as DirtyTaco suggested but I simply disregarded them since I (as well as the rest of eR33t) am used to hearing these sorts of completely unfeasible allegations from respected figures in the community. These sorts of tales are something that is said among friends on IRC, Ventrilo/TS2 and has hardly any affect on my thoughts concerning Sandman, GT or whoever was participating in the conversation. The same kind of stuff goes on in #!eR33t! all the time about the most outrageous things, which if heard/seen by certain people could easily be taken the wrong way.
Now if Sandman had been making posts in the forum claiming everything he mentioned, then spreading rumors through IRC/Vent attached to his claims with intent to discredit myself or eR33t, than I may have reacted differently. He made comments which were held exclusive to the GT Ventrilo chat and possibly non-public IRC channels, so I hadn't taken the comments seriously.
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Point well taken XtremeBain. However, it was a good analogy to what loial21 was doing in the map restarts thread. Not only were his claims as off base as Sandman's, but they're both on the same team.
I do agree with you though.
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Loial: What DT said is true, I am the one who lead the conversation on that subject. Sandman indeed said that eR33t modifys the source code to change hitboxes and has also said that Bain is the master mind behind such actions. There are plenty of witnesses to what happened. And as Sandman accusing me of "Setting him up," why didn't you check the ips in the first place like you usually do?
And to S8N, Great job that video was hilarious even though I was the one who always got shot. Good commentary Digi and DT. =)
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I have a hitbox 98.72% smaller than average. Anyway, totally agree with XtremeBain. Don't make outrageous/ridiculous claims without solid, well-founded evidence. Also, it helps to present your claim in a semi-coherent manner.
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I have a hitbox 98.72% smaller than average. Anyway, totally agree with XtremeBain. Don't make outrageous/ridiculous claims without solid, well-founded evidence. Also, it helps to present your claim in a semi-coherent manner.
My claim is i saw what i saw and tried to explain what I saw with out accusing anyone of anything. What I posted was clear enough. Why cant you simply read something, if you don't understand ask, don't assume and be so dismissive, this in my book is a minor character flaw Why malign everything I say?
Xbain,
"WHo can trust anyone these days, that is why I never matched in this MOD?
SHame on anyone knowing what a cheat is."
IS the question and statement I wish you would have been kind enough to address.
Why did I not run demo? Maybe because I don't know how and dont care to know how the above quote should explain this fully. If i did and actually caught someone, other than zbots and speed hacks I don't what to look for. Thanks for the offer of help. Thanks for the detailed explanation Taco.
Go back and re-read my comments. They were easily enough read, not accusations, Unlike your clan. I dont know how to cheat (not saying you do), so what the point of running a demo. Unless I spent the 5 -6 years knowing what a wallhack looks like whats the point, you would simply call me a newb , tell me my grammer sucks?
OK NP Sandman said he thinks someone has been doing something on Vent? was it?.Boomer are you banned, I dont get it?
To all. OK was I there, am I his father? Again I have said this before about people accusing others of cheating, cant you kids be more rational and think beond about what is being said. He is given you credit for something you claim to not have done,which is a unintended compliment. He must think your either very smart, to create such a thing or he is wrong and you simply the best players out there. There just words not sticks and stones? There is always 2 ways to handle this kind of talk. Just my opinion.
I am sure there is plenty of harsh things said about others, including myself on your channel. So whats you problem? Did he hurt your feelings or something? If not whats the big deal? As I recall the last time e3rrt lost, you guys posted somehting about getting rid of the impact grenades right, so whats the differnece? One party belives another is cheating the other thinks they lost because of a weapon. Both lame.
Lastly I regret not addressing my original post to Merl. He seems the only one here (boomer excluded) that handled this with respect and class. +2
Thanks Merl Hackard good form(term of endearment not an accusation)
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As I recall the last time e3rrt lost, you guys posted somehting about getting rid of the impact grenades right, so whats the differnece?
Completely untrue, us (eR33t, I hope you intentionally are mis-spelling it, because you've only been corrected about thirty times) losing has absolutely nothing to do with our dislike of the impact grenades. We have not lost a match in the past couple of months, playing all matches with impact grenades -- and we all still feel that they are overly powerfull. It's not a one sided thing, impact grenades don't make people do better against us. After all, we can use them too. Speaking of which, I'm all for the primed grenades; as that seems like an excellent alternative.
Anyway, to make such public "recollections" is in complete and utter disregard for everything you said previously in this post. You have effectively made an argument, only then to contradict it all within the same message. You downplay people on the basis of unproven accusations, only to then "recollect" something completely erronous and slandering? If you want to stay disengaged from such controversy, then do it. Keep your potentially offensive "recollections" private.
He is given you credit for something you claim to not have done,which is a unintended compliment.
I agree with you here to some extent, having someone accuse you of cheating when you are not is somewhat of a double-edged compliment. However, there becomes a problem when these accusations start effecting that innocent persons credibility. There are people here who have played in the top tier of the DP scene for years and years, and all of their hard work and practice should not be oversighted because of someones inability to understand how they could be so good/lucky/etc.
So, when I see someone accusing (or even hinting that) a proven veteran like Merl of cheating -- it is very frustrating to me. I have so much more respect for someone like Merl than someone like you. Do _NOT_ throw out $&^# without valid presentable proof -- and expect to not cause controversy.
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I agree with Blitz that it is a sort of double-edged compliment. However, i still think it was worthy of being stated since Sandman explicitly said 'I know you can do that' when in fact, it is impossible. It's one thing to accuse people of hacking without evidence, it's another to accuse people with faulty evidence.
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Agreed.
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Its should be considered a compliment, being a mature, well thought person , I assumed you would have come to the same conclusion, period. . Sure your best clan out there, this is not the only time you been accused of cheating , take it like a man and be proud of your accomplishments, whats stopping now i dont know? This is a game right, to have fun?
You respect Merl more than I? Ok thats not new news there now is it? :) I suppose that Merl said it best, he has not heard anything at all about any other member of GT complaining. When did your clan become Merl's mouth piece.
ps the only accusation I have ever made with conviction was about bob,ganja,goose and uni. That was the last time I will accuse any one of anything other than beign not a positive thinker.
Blitz, augg sorry you dont pay me to spell so dont chatise me about anything like that, ok simple is it not, so lets move beond my grammer/ spelling and compsistion?
So regarding impact nades, right after you clan lost , there was a huge influx of complaints about impacts nades and the fact the team taht beat you was clearly using wall hacks. That is all intended to say, you complained after loosing. Not that your clan directly blamed them or the wallhacks for loosing. That is all. You read to much into what I am saying. I am a simpleton, please dont forget this.
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To answer your question Loial, yes I believe Sandman would be talking about me... Like usual, I leave GT and they call me a double crosser. Even though it's their fault I left in the first place.
And I can vouch for DirtyTaco because I do know him in real life and I have seen him play. He doesn't hack so GT can stop accusing him of that and as the rest for eR33t.... It's safe to say they don't because they've been playing a really long time and they know this game better then a lot of people. People just need to face the fact that they are just GOOD and stop complaining cause they get their asses whooped.
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wurd
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To answer your question Loial, yes I believe Sandman would be talking about me... Like usual, I leave GT and they call me a double crosser. Even though it's their fault I left in the first place.
And I can vouch for DirtyTaco because I do know him in real life and I have seen him play. He doesn't hack so GT can stop accusing him of that and as the rest for eR33t.... It's safe to say they don't because they've been playing a really long time and they know this game better then a lot of people. People just need to face the fact that they are just GOOD and stop complaining cause they get their asses whooped.
Boomer, I dont know what GT is saying or why you left, perhaps you can enlighten me? Remember I not an irc/vent freakiod so, I am pretty much out of the loop on everything they do. I just joined becuase you sandy der, wick, dye, s8n to were in and I felt like it would be fun. The last month I barly been on vent at all. So whats up with all the hostile vibes?
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Aha, now I completely understand the concept of wallhacking. Now to experiment around my network to see if people wallhack . . .
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Well Loial its kind of a long story but I'll just briefly tell you. It basically all started with GT supposevily dieing and they tried to start a brand new clan which was actually really stupid which I told PiCaSSo in the first place. The whole thing with Snipen was a waste of time because they just ended up going back to GT and acted like nothing was said and they didn't stick up for themselves which is weird since they called me a kitty for not standing up to Snipen. But if I recall i said excrement right to Snipen on vent. It's actually kind of sad because they always depended on me to win their matches too. If I wasn't there they would basically get raped like no other. And if you remember right... a while back they said something about the leaders should be adults cause their more mature? LOL I loved that bullexcrement... I wouldn't exactly call them the most mature people seeing how everytime they got shot they would say "OMFG HACKER!!!" or my favorite "I AM LAGGING NOW WTF MATE. SOMEONE TURNED SOMETHING ON !!! WTF WAS IT?!?!?!" It was pretty hilarious. And no woner I left GT so much, so much DRAMA but I have to admit it was pretty funny. They can say all the sh.it they want about me, I could care less. Just remember GT, you depended on a teenager to carry your asses.
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well they might not be using modified hitboxed but
whos to say they dont have modified models..
i think in a converstaion with someone they acused me of it. i never even thought about modifing models
hmm could it be a sobconsious indication that he or er33t is using modified models in matches ?
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I use a 30 foot long alligator model
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So, when I see someone accusing (or even hinting that) a proven veteran like Merl of cheating -- it is very frustrating to me. I have so much more respect for someone like Merl than..
Well thanks B =)
Loial: I will admit, that yes at times even I wondered how I didn't die in that match. Twice, if I recall, I thought for sure I was about to get smoked but somehow i survived. There is some luck involved in my playing =) i know you didn't say i cheated, i understand that you simply said you observed these few things and tried to explain it as best you could etc. Unfortunately however, i had to sit through an entire match with an immature GROWN man such as picasso.
You and I have played for years so please don't let that old fool influence your opinion. I welcome anyone to demo me at anytime because in any demo, everyone will notice that i pretty much shoot in every dark corner i can find. IF in fact i cheated, as picasso likes to ramble on about, i don't think there'd be a need for that kind of spray.
In any case, i didn't take any offence to your comments because i dont feel as if u meant any harm by them and i thank those who do in fact believe i don't cheat. I do have one favor to ask loial...however you need to do it, inform picasso of proper match regulations and even perhaps suggest to him an attitude change to more effectively reflect his age.
Thanks ;D
- MeRL
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Man some days I can run right through the biggest wall of spray without getting hit, some days I can't even peek my head around a corner without a paintball hitting me in the eye.
Some days I can aim fluidly and connect with all targets I aim for, some days I can aim dead at someone and shoot for days and not hit them.
I don't know if its packet loss or what.
If I could make all the "run through sprays" and "hit everything I aim at" moments come together more often I would do alot better.
I think most of the eR33t guys run permanently in "run through sprays" and "hit everything I aim at" mode. Or know how to bring thier play back into allignment when it faulters.
I must learn these things. I will learn these things.
BTW: hitting your mouse hand with a hammer will NOT bring a bad playing streak back into alignment...trust me.
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I use a 30 foot long alligator model
As master administrator of the most unstable servers in DP, I will take it upon myself to ban the first of a new breed of haquers - the "alligatorers." We all know eR33t hacks, I mean come on, they're just all so good. It's like they selected only the best players of DP and outfitted them with Bain's hacks.
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Fear the alligatorers.
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Blitz what is an alligatorer...?
Nice
-Termin8oR
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Termi :D Hi! What is A TerMi? LoL!! I Am scWarzeneggAR! LoL!
Thankzyouz and goodz luckz! LoL!
-0-8-Shwarzeneggar-8-0-
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Actually Uni, you were accused of possibly using modified models because you hit me in a spot where virtually no one else sees me. However, other than the demo of you shooting me, i had no evidence of it so i didn't pursue it. Plus the chances of you using some sort of naked female half human half wolf model is so high it wouldn't surprise me at all if you did. I think you should be checking your subconscious for why you have a serious obsession with imaginary half human half wolf beings, or maybe a psychiatrist should :/
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Didn't [Fang] used to use the wolf models instead with funny skins?
Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
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Re: A Video of Clipz Wallhacking.
« Reply #45 on: Today at 02:41:47 PM » Quote
Actually Uni, you were accused of possibly using modified models because you hit me in a spot where virtually no one else sees me
I dont understand two things (big suprise huh?) This is in know way ment to be inflamitory. I am trying to avoid future flames.
1.What is the difference (regarding blame with no proof) between what Uni is being accused of and what Sandman accused your clan of?
2. What is the differnce between me claiming Merls balls magically bent away from him, after which I tried to rationalize how that was possible (ei barrell choice) and your claim of Uni hitting you where you should not been able to be hit?
Merl,
Will do. Thanks for justifiing my behavior and comments.
Boom,
If GT talks sheet about you, its not when I am around, which is not much. Sad to see you go, I assume your welcome back to talk and play, untill then remember what your brother had said. But, if your happy your happy roll with it. I wish oneday, I will be able to match with you in a pick up etc.., we do make a great team on publix and have had much fun. l8tr g8tr
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I think you should be checking your subconscious for why you have a serious obsession with imaginary half human half wolf beings, or maybe a psychiatrist should :/
I never thought you'd offend me like this DT - I thought we were friends. That friendship? Gone.
IronWulf is still the best player in DP.
(http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/5412/ironwofl2yy.jpg)
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lmao u mean this model... http://www.geocities.com/unibonger519/sshot00.jpg
i havent used that model in like a year i use all the standered dp models and standerd dp settings...
but on another note.. those models were actuly smaller then the q2 models. and if i were to change the model... the other team would of had the same models. which would of probably made it soo i wouldnt of seen u... soo i wouldnt be using them..
and dirtytaco... quote:"I think you should be checking your subconscious for why you have a serious obsession with imaginary half human half wolf beings <=--- what do u mean.... u dont like fictional movies. cartoons. entertainment???? hmmmm just cause u find it strange or weird dont make u any diffrent for trying to judge me, sorry im not into starwars and star trek like u, if anything u should watch how u speak.. i mean its just a game. oh wait nm its ur life. lmao
*me mounts ironwulfs leg*
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Bark , growl snarl , hackles rise. Marks spot.
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all I have to say to Uni is LOL. He was probably the only one in Fang who used those models cause I wouldn't let my brother put those pos models on my comp. And Uni no offense but you do have a weird fasination with wolfs but more power to ya.
Loial: I'll still play on the pub servers every once in a while but frankly I am tired of getting lectured and chewed out by the so called "adults" on vent. It was great playing with you and yeah sh.it happens but oh well not much you can do about it.
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I think the differences between what just went on with me and uni and loial and merl are so clear a four year old could understand them, but since loial equates them for some unknown reason, i will point them out.
First off loial, i didnt come on the forums and start accusing Uni publicly, he brought up something that happened through a private message. I was merely responding to earlier attempt he made to claim that eR33t uses modified models.
Second off, i had SOME evidence. I had my demo and uni's demo of the exact event. In uni's demo it was clear that he was not wallhacking, however, it was still unclear how he saw me. I (and a few other eR33t members) went through some further analysis of the video and noticed that with the build14 models it was probably plausible that he saw me, but with the build15 models it wasn't. Since this was fairly shaky ground to come out and publically claim that he was using modified models, i didn't. You, conversely, had no evidence
Thirdly, what you said occured is radical. No one has ever heard of or even created a hack where paintballs 'swerve' around someone in this game or in any other game. In contrast modified models are rampant in many different games.
In regards to uni's unchecked speculations, I've seen the classic star wars movies once, maybe twice in my life. I saw the first new one they released, but as for the other two (i think it was two?) i have never seen them. I have never watched a full episode of star trek in my life, i've seen maybe 5 minutes of it total when flipping through channels.
I now wish i could find the logs of uni boasting about the amount of polygons in his half human, half wolf female model and then exclaiming how he was going to masturbate to it (or make it masturbate, something to that effect) when it was finished, but i cannot. Such logs would prove that my speculations were, indeed, checked. If anyone wants to challenge my speculations i will try to find them...
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LMAO.. I actually remember seeing screenshots of those wolf models
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further analysis of the video and noticed that with the build14 models it was probably plausible that he saw me, but with the build15 models it wasn't..
other way around.. I'm on b15 and I could see him.. gun was sticking out. Not sure what build he was using though.
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LOL
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I think the differences between what just went on with me and uni and loial and merl are so clear a four year old could understand them, but since loial equates them for some unknown reason, i will point them out.
You would aim low when thinking of me. Oh well true to form. I equated this because I clearly pointed out to Merl that I saw what I saw and explained what I saw, I never said anything about cheating. Now perhaps if your mind was not so currupt from all the knowledge of cheating you would have no spoken up in such a mannor as to think I was even implying he was cheating,
First off loial, i didnt come on the forums and start accusing Uni publicly
So whats this?
Actually Uni, you were accused of possibly using modified models because you hit me in a spot where virtually no one else sees me. However, other than the demo of you shooting me, i had no evidence of it so i didn't pursue it. Plus the chances of you using some sort of naked female half human half wolf model is so high it wouldn't surprise me at all if you did. I think you should be checking your subconscious for why you have a serious obsession with imaginary half human half wolf beings, or maybe a psychiatrist should :/
Sorry I guess you wrote this "out of text", as in "taken out of text"? as in what i did?
Thirdly, what you said occured is radical. No one has ever heard of or even created a hack where paintballs 'swerve' around someone in this game or in any other game.
Radical ok, but the truth, whats your problem with my version of the truth? Again with the currupt thinking. I was not talking about cheating, but what I saw. Why does it feel like I am explaing this to a 4th grader? :) jk
In contrast modified models are rampant in many different games.
Now your making sense. Models and hitboxes are diffrent, but cant both be rewritten? IDK
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jesus christ, I'm not even going to respond. It's like talking to a wall.
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Now you know how I feel.
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I (and a few other eR33t members) went through some further analysis of the video and noticed that with the build14 models it was probably plausible that he saw me
heh heh u said anal..... and with a few other er33t members....
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Well frankly i don't really care what any of you think ,but for the record the conversation that DT and Xtreme listened to,well i knew it was them and the other people in the chan knew it was them i checked the ip...If people come in under bullcrap names i like to screw with them..I even went as far as to let blitz know on mirc i knew it was them he said he didn't know what i was talking about...As far as hacking goes the way i see it that anyone who has to cheat to make themselves look or feel good needs to find a life ,there self esteem must be very low and i really do feel sorry for them.....DONE
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^ lol.
picasso told me straight up that he knows snipen hacks, and that snipen has admitted it to him.
enough said.
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"As far as hacking goes the way i see it that anyone who has to cheat to make themselves look or feel good needs to find a life ,there self esteem must be very low and i really do feel sorry for them.....DONE"
Yet you stand behind clipz hacking.
lmfao.
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LOL those are bullexcrement excuses..... Sandman had no idea that they were on there... he told me afterward that he JUST found out who they were.... lame ass excuses, what a pu.ssy to cover up so he looks like a good guy. and I will agree with digi and DT on the above statements.
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i didnt tell you excrement boomer,your full of excrement and you'd agree with anyone who you have your lips wrapped around at that moment...and when did i say i stand behind clipz hacking ???
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Whatever I remember u saying something like that.... and yeah and u got mad at skater about the hacking thing? what about clipz? atleast skater admitted it and took blame and isnt sucking up to you anyone now..... clipz is suckign up to you so he doesnt get banned cause hes banned from basically every other server.
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i dont care if they admit or not Hacker is a hacker,clipz isnt banned cause he hasn't done or said anything to GT...get it
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So hacking isnt grounds for getting banned, only doing something to GT in a negative manner?
Makes you wonder about GT members in-game credibility...
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I was beginning to write a rather lengthy thread about server administration and responsibility... but I realized, there's nothing to say that hasn't been said before. Waste of my time to state the obvious...
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I was beginning to write a rather lengthy thread about server administration and responsibility... but I realized, there's nothing to say that hasn't been said before. Waste of my time to state the obvious...
Yeah stuff that has been said before. So why do you play there, again? Respectfully,
Loial cio
So hacking isnt grounds for getting banned, only doing something to GT in a negative manner?
Makes you wonder about GT members in-game credibility..
I would say either one would do, sir.
*ask ganja
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Ok loial, i know you dont have much authority on the GT servers, but if we agree that people should banned at least for a period of time for hacking (and i think we do) then why was clipz never banned?
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It might be the fact that most of the GT server admins hack themselves....
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I dont know, why was I temp-banned from GT servers last year?, Check my very first post. Why was I view gibbed on the e3rrt servers, check following posts in GT thread. There is plenty of blame to go around then and now. That much is true.
Who the hell is clpiz any way? Does he play under a psuedo name? I play quite a bit on publix, as you know. Never seen him/her.
I belive either poor sportmanship or cheating should get you booted. Be glad I have no authority, other than the clan tag.
Poop talking is one thing, its fun.You know this, I know this. When you start berateing lessers player for being "newbs" is just as unproductive and immature as accusing someone of cheating (with or with out proof) if not more so, becuase you should know better than to behave like that. Your not a poorsport newbian dont act like one. People who accuse others of cheating and have no proof at the time of the accusation should be edjucated. Not scorned. What good comes from that?
More over you should respect others opinions even if you dont agree with them. You cross a line when you start disrespecting other player's opinions. Disagreement I am ok with, but dont disrespect people, what good comes from that?. If you dont understand or comprehend what I just said then your a little less intellegent and a little less mature then I give you credit for.
Good day sirs. way off topic
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Well from what I have heard they said it's because everyone has tried a hack so it's not much of a big deal and I know everyone has heard Clipz say "you can't tell me you've never tried a hack before?" which is a really lame excuse becuase Clipz used a hack in a MATCH others have been caught in a pub server. Doesn't make a difference they won't ban him so your wasting your time.
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Yes, I was caught hacking in a match which i do regret cause I lost a lot of respect out of the very little I had. But I've came around and people have "forgave" me for hacking. It was a dumb thing on my part and I honestly have not hacked since about a week after I was caught. I would say I was definitely punished more than Clipz when I was caught. When the demo was released of me Picasso went ape poop on me banning me from everything without me even saying "OMGWTF I only tried it once" which is a bullpoop excuse Clipz, if you have a hack you usually don't try it once ;). It was quite obvious you also hacked during our TnL days, but thats in the past I really couldn't care less if you hack or not, I just find it funny you say it was your first time. Anyhow As for GT I really don't have a problem with them as people, they are all usually very nice and are always greeting you on vent/server etc...But their clan leadership/actions are some times bogus but a lot of people deserve what they get. Of course I've said poop about them behind their backs and yea it was messed up, But I'm sure they have done the same. I recently talked to Sandman on vent and we are fine. He was nice enough to unban me from the servers which was greatly appreciated. but yea, Overall I will be honest, I don't like the GT *Clan*, but as people you guys are very nice.
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I am thoroughly confused by loial's post once again and this time not only because of grammar. I'm unsure if he is referring to me in all these statements or trying to make principled claims.
Rarely do i berate lesser players in the sense of people that have been playing for 2 weeks and don't have mIRC etc. I rarely speak to these people unless they say something to me first.
I do berate lesser players in the sense of unibonger or clipz. These two i have known for quite a few years and for at least the last 1/2 - 1/3 of my time with dp have disliked them immensely. However these two berate me just as much as i do back, and me berating them isn't going to cause them to quit dp or anything (although sometimes i wish it would).
I don't really know where I've been all out disrespecting others opinions. Normally i respond back in the form of an argument with an occasional subtle insult here and there. Just as much as i get insulted.
Finally, "When you start berateing lessers player for being "newbs" is just as unproductive and immature as accusing someone of cheating (with or with out proof) if not more so." So accusing people of hacking with solid proof is immature? I'd like to see an argument for that. However, you're right about it being unproductive. We presented the whole dp community with solid proof of clipz hacking and GT will not ban him. Such actions can only lead one to believe certain things about GT...
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Pierce you like to say Berate a lot don't you? And like I said before they won't ban him because they say everyone has done it before so it's not big deal and it's just a normal thing. But I will have to agree with DT and I do also agree with SkateR.
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I was just using loial's terminology, he said berate a million times too
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"You" = Anyone that it fits the discription
Its ok, Taco. You dont have to defend your self to Boomer, he likes you and me (I think). Not in that way. He really did step up to bat for yall on vent (while he was in GT)after I unfairly accused you of cheating, (I will pM you why)being and excretory opening or both i dont remember. Sorry . I wont make that mistake again and only becuase, Boomer said your kewl. Although Boomer for what ever reason has become more hositle of late, oh well he has got his reasons. :)
I still think alot of your posts are conter-productive and hurtful. More directed towards the 2 in clan that direly need anger management lessons. Mabey your clan saying be quiet newb is just your way of saying, I love you?. Recently this has subsided, thanks for workiing on it.
"So accusing people of hacking with solid proof is immature?" I dont recall stating anything like that. Nor implied. Where did that come from? To anwser your question, yes in a way. Follow me. As mentioned before and agreed by yourself "it takes one to know one." Im just kidden but think about this.
You would have 100's of people accusing others of hacking but only the ones that know how to hack, are to catch those who are? Thats not immature, but it is intercoursed up (oops sorry 3rd curse word). How can I or anyone justify or impose a ban if the person that decides who is a cheat, is infact a cheat. This logic is flawed and lacks credit. There just has to be a better way, that is all.
BTW WHO THE intercourse IS CLIPZ!!!???? And if cheating is so intercoursegin bad why is he the first to feel e3rrt wrath, surely you have cought more. UNI? For instance. You claim to have cought him cheating, have you backed off on this claim? :) howles then pees in glee
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Look over your last post, you stated that explicitly.
I actually didn't agree with your maxim, "it takes one to know one." It is pretty easy to deduce that someone is wallhacking by watching their gameplay without ever having hacked. However, having hacked enables you to notice it better and catch the subtleties that many other people (hobo jitspoe etc) don't catch like not spraying choke points.
It is true that without having wallhacks we couldn't have made that video of clipz wallhacking. In some eR33t members defense, digi, blitz, and S8N all did not have penix prior to this whole ordeal. I gave them it to view the demos and make the movie.
The logical problems you are talking about are hasty generalizations and they themselves are fallacious. There is a huge difference between having a wallhack on your computer and using it in a match. Theres also a huge difference between using a wallhack in public and using a wallhack in a match. This is why your logic is hastily generalized because eR33t, in fact, has never used these hacks in a match. Therefore we are not 'cheats' in the sense that you're stating. We still invite anyone and everyone to demo us during matches.
Clipz is a dper thats been around for a few years. If you used mirc you'd probably know him better. He gets on your clans ventrilo frequently, but usually under pseudonyms. I'm guessing he probably plays public dp under pseudonyms as well since you have not seen him although i saw him in pub the other day with '[krew]Clipz.' I'm assuming, not without good reason, that he got his wallhack while in krew sometime last year. Thus he has had it for quite a while and has probably been using it.
We have believed others to be hackers, but we've never had the demo organization that digi had the day clipz was hacking. We normally have a few long ass demos that none of us want to sit around and watch. Especially after this ordeal, what is the point? No one ever gets banned. Why waste our time? Plus we already had it in for clipz for being afraid to match us consistently and we never had the tools that S8N now has. I've had many previous encounters with uni in public where it is pretty obvious that he is wallhacking, however, the last two matches I've played against him he definitely has not been and thats all i really care about.
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ugh too much to respond too, ill edit this post and respond later
lol previous post was 420, or was it I dont get it?. Anyhow...
Dammit, I just read my last post. It was typed in haste, sorry about uni hacking. No one has ever accused him of hacking but me and I should be shot for it. Now.
But I would love to here your thoughts, despite my death.
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If that last post was done in haste you should type all your posts in haste. I could actually read that one ;)
The reason Clipz was the first to be drug out into the street and flogged before the masses is simple...
We now have the tools, and know how, to demonstrate, in hi-def 360 degree techni-color, this sad cheating behavior.
It's like a Discovery documentary. Sure others have gone out onto the African plains, but we've gone out there right up close to catch the swift and crafty cheetah (get it hawhaw) up close and personal.
eR33t's is good peeps.
We're changin our evil ways...I already have our catholic schoolgirl uniforms...look for us to be sportin them on pub and in our upcoming matches.
(http://www.logictechnologies.com/keith/stuff/newer33t.jpg)
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lol these legs seems very hairy..ughh...=D
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For the love of b0ner soup will you all just be quiet? I pwn all you n00bs..... wooo woooo
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OK, thanks for the forthwith ,well thought and honest post.
The logical problems you are talking about are hasty generalizations and they themselves are fallacious. There is a huge difference between having a wallhack on your computer and using it in a match. Theres also a huge difference between using a wallhack in public and using a wallhack in a match. This is why your logic is hastily generalized because eR33t, in fact, has never used these hacks in a match. Therefore we are not 'cheats' in the sense that you're stating. We still invite anyone and everyone to demo us during matches
It forgets my main point how ever hastily organized and fallacious you claim it to be. If you know how to cheat then you are guilty, thus how can your judgment be trusted?
Find me a way to trust anyone that knows how to cheat.
PERIOD.
I don't trust those that can/now how to cheat despite your hot legs and/or clan affiliation, I perfer thigh-highs stockings. There has to be a better way.
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Uni has got his fair share of accusations but Clipz is getting hit bad by this because he was caught big time and he couldn't hide it. He tried denying it at first but he finally fest up when the video came out. I'm sure their not singling Clipz out..... if they had enough evidence in demos like they did with Clipz then they would get the same treatment. Clipz deserves what he gets and he needs better comebacks cause he makes actual mentally disabled people sound like geniuses.
Loial: Yes I have been hostle, but sometimes hostility gets the point across better and I did have my reasons which I did sort out with Sandman already. Yes I did defend DirtyTaco but that doesn't mean I'm your 'enemy' I just simply know him in person and he's a cool. Yes he does pick on me but nothings new he has always done it. People can think what they want about 'cheaters' but when you catch someone like eR33t did.... they deserve to be exploited. I just wish we would catch people like this more often cause I garuntee there's a few more people out there using them everyday.
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Loial: Simply because somebody knows how to fire a gun does not mean he is a murderer. Simply because somebody can start a fire does not mean he's an arsonist. Simply because somebody knows how to have sex does not mean he's a rapist. Simply because someone knows how to pick locks does not mean he's a thief. Likewise, simply because somebody has the knowledge of cheats or is able to use google does not mean he is a cheater.
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amen jitspoe
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jitspoe: well said.
Honestly.. if you weren't such a newbie loial you'd be able to spot who's cheating. I can tell within the first minute who's wallhacking. You on the other hand just assume EVERYONE is wallhacking, and just figure you're the only person not cheating becasue you're too stupid to know how to use google.
Nice theory.
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Nicely put jitspoe.
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Jitspoe,
If you know how to cheat, thus you can cheat. This in its self does not make you a cheater. That is logical. I understood this, before posting. My point is there has to be a better way. Why thats not being commented on and indeed ignored, IDK. If it so freaking easy to get, then why not post it on the forum, so everyone has the same opportunity to be like Taco (sorry only example) an expert wallhack detective. I know why, and had stated previously you dint want first of all more cheaters, that is bound to happen and secondly you don't want 100 of accusations a day. My point again is there has to be a better way.
DIGI,
Calling me a newb makes your point better, how? What you wrote about me not knowing how to use a search engine is on the same maturation level as Clipz cheating (who ever he is). Moreover, DIGI you might consider your last post as lacking credit. More than anything I have ever wrote or read. GJ DIGIMON
This is the exact kind of behavior I was talking about earlier in the thread this will chase people away from a game as fast as any walhack. This is just a taste of what we have to deal with on public daily. Like I said poop talking is fun, but don't cross a line when your intentions are destructive. Comments like Digi's serve no purpose. What's the point? Well, nothing other than DIGI is a flamer. :) Now that I understand. How do yall put up with him, jeez you would think that he has got a little Snipen in him. Oh wait, maybe he has lately. I am kidding.
Boomy,
Hostility will make ones argument weaker, more than it helps. Making fun of someone is not kewl, funny at the time perhaps, but never kewl. I have never in the game had more fun with someone over the years, to read your comments was a shock to me and a little out of character for the Boomer I know, Sorry bro. With that said, i don't have known enemies. Those that think they are, are only fooling themselves. I'm neutral as you know. BTW you and I enemies WTF EVA!!! I scoff at the idea.
Now as far as GT and why the server admins wont do anything. That is a personal decision, ask them. Don't flame them, and disrespect their decision, where does that get you? Want to know a little secret? You know you don't have to agree with it, but you should respect it. They pay, you all play its that simple. Sorry for the reality check. There are other servers, if you don't agree with there decision or if its detriment that he be banned, I will start by banning him on my server.There now I am willing to try, there has to be a better way to catch cheats. I don't like depending on a hack to find a hacker. Thats still not ethical to me. I cant wait till someone shows up and accuses e3rrt falsely, what then? I just don't want to hear this,as I heard before. "You intercoursing newbs don't know jack, you so pathetic like your claim, blah blah I know a wallhack because I have had one for 6 years now and never used it to cheat. That makes me right and you wrong." Don't you see the flaw? I do. I guess its a matter of trust, that I don't have yet. Work with me and earn that trust. I mean after all this you expect those you make fun of to drop all defenses and blindly trust you? Not saying you cant be, but comon. Look at the way DIGI treats others whats up with that? You would think it was I that was cheating and not Clipz. Thats meddling sad and hardly worth my trust.
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If it so freaking easy to get, then why not post it on the forum, so everyone has the same opportunity to be like Taco (sorry only example) an expert wallhack detective.
Because not everybody has the self-restraint to not use them to gain an advantage. Why make it easy for the people who are simply too lazy or ignorant to figure out how to use cheats on their own?
Think of it like locks. An experienced locksmith can pick a lock in a matter of seconds. Now imagine if everyone could pick locks like that. Even though the tools and training are around such that pretty much anybody could learn how to pick locks, does not mean everybody should be outfitted with the ability. Locks are basically there to reduce temptation. If everybody knew how to pick locks, the temptation would be too great for some people to do evil things, simply because there is nothing stopping them. Likewise, if cheats were readily available for everybody without requiring any effort, the temptation would be too great for people to use them in actual online play.
And on an unrelated topic, intentionally misspelling words is not cool.
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"They pay, you all play its that simple."
I think that should be revised to "Snipen pays, you play." Thus if my assumption that you think i should retract my statements from sandman is correct, then simply paying for servers wouldn't be sufficient condition to do so because Sandman does not pay for them.
Again we invite anyone to demo us during match play.
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Yeah comments like mine serve no purpose. You falsely accusing 95% of dp with no proof or anything what so ever DOES have a purpose though.
...You're such a stupid donkey it amazes me, time after time.
I don't understand how your clan members can talk to you day after day.. Nothing you EVER say makes sense. NOTHING. My mind wanders off when I try to read a post of yours that's longer then a sentence. I would slit my wrists within 10 seconds of conversing with you. It's like talking to a 9 year old.
...a mentally ill 9 year old.
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Arg ok, For the 6th time. "There has to be a better way..." if there is not then say so.
DIGI whatever flamer. Ask if you dont understand, dont be so lazy and act like an adult. I think 95% of everyone cheats, where do you get your info from? LOL Unless you have reading problems, you should be able get the jist of my point. You act like an anrgy nine year old. There is no reason to be so angry. Do you understand me now? :) Shakes head in disbelief. Mabey you should consider that slit thing, or try sleeping with a women, I hear that helps too.
Jits,
So who do you trust as the expert locksmith? There is no honor among thiefs or murders or rapeist. No matter who you pick someone will object. Unless its me. Why? Becuase all of you trust me. (obviously not). See my point, The animosity is something that needs to be addresed. Who can trust who? I will break the cycle and see what it gets me. Thats why there should be a better way.
Taco,
Well put. He pays, we play. Touche`I dont want you to retract a thing dude. Kind of the opposite, actully Just help me understand why I should trust you and not sandman, UNI and Picasso for that matter. Its a little confusing, when everyone of you has complained about someone else cheating including my self. But only your clan is correct, slighty to obtuse statement to swallow. Now you say that you have evidence, I will take the first step as stated before and Ban him from my server. In this I am trusting you. I cant do much more than that.. But as mentioned before, I dont want to hear others denounce your claims and in turn you turn them away with a "pfft you newb I know it all, so go away or I shall taunt you futher" You can do better than that.
*edit I missed something earlier that I ment to ask you taco. You mentioned this....
Theres also a huge difference between using a wallhack in public and using a wallhack in a match]
Whats the differnece?. Either one ruines this game.
And this...
However, having hacked enables you to notice it better and catch the subtleties that many other people (hobo jitspoe etc) don't catch like not spraying choke points.
I must deduce from these statements what ??? A Little confusing.
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I think 95% of everyone cheats, where do you get your info from? LOL Unless you have reading problems, you should be able get the jist of my point.
We don't have reading problems, you have writing problems! ;)
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Im working on it, Dam you!!!!!
*edit EII your statement leads me to belive you understand what I am saying, despite your taunt. How else would you know how to reply, with out knowing what your replying to. ;) I made sense wheeeee!!!
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Honestly... It's sad that people have to resolve to cheating. It's even more sad that they cheat and still get raped. Nothing you can do to stop them until an anticheat is implimented. The only thing we can do is catch them, make fun of them, beat them, and make fun of them some more.
What Jitspoe said is quite true. Just because cheats are easily accessible doesn't mean people use them.
I'm impressed that you seem to have learned how to compile complete thoughts. Also, why we call you a newb is because even if you have played this game a long time you are still completely clueless on how things are done. Learning from people like GT isn't going to help because they have no idea how things are done either. You can tell this from the post MeRL had made about map restarts. It's the way things have ALWAYS been done.
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Honestly... It's sad that people have to resolve to cheating. It's even more sad that they cheat and still get raped. Nothing you can do to stop them until an anticheat is implimented. The only thing we can do is catch them, make fun of them, beat them, and make fun of them some more.
What Jitspoe said is quite true. Just because cheats are easily accessible doesn't mean people use them.
I'm impressed that you seem to have learned how to compile complete thoughts. Also, why we call you a newb is because even if you have played this game a long time you are still completely clueless on how things are done. Learning from people like GT isn't going to help because they have no idea how things are done either. You can tell this from the post MeRL had made about map restarts. It's the way things have ALWAYS been done.
I did not learn form GT nor do I now. Bob, I learned from some fearsome hacks on q2wod mod. This is hardly candle light compaired to that flame. We worked very hard on anti-cheats that would make you reload your custom cfg to anit z/rat bot protection. Nuf has been said about this. Calling me a newb just becuse I did not match back in 1998 in this mod hardly makes me one. Find a better term like, vetnub or vewbed idk its getting old. :)
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Honestly... It's sad that people have to resolve to cheating. It's even more sad that they cheat and still get raped. Nothing you can do to stop them until an anticheat is implimented. The only thing we can do is catch them, make fun of them, beat them, and make fun of them some more.
What Jitspoe said is quite true. Just because cheats are easily accessible doesn't mean people use them.
I'm impressed that you seem to have learned how to compile complete thoughts. Also, why we call you a newb is because even if you have played this game a long time you are still completely clueless on how things are done. Learning from people like GT isn't going to help because they have no idea how things are done either. You can tell this from the post MeRL had made about map restarts. It's the way things have ALWAYS been done.
I did not learn form GT nor do I now. Bob, I learned from some fearsome hacks on q2wod mod. This is hardly candle light compaired to that flame. We hhr/wod and LGM worked very hard together to come up with different scripts that would make you reload your custom cfg before joining the game, to having zbot/rat protection etc etc.... . Comiled complete thoughts. hmm being sober does help.
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I wasn't making fun of anyone... well actually I probably was but atleast I am being honest. And people change and i'm not always hostile. Clipz is a moron and needs to hit up subway. GO JARED!! As far as personal decisions? They always talk about whats best for the community... so why not take advantage of the situation and help us have more fun. It is pretty sad that he had wallhack against us.... he was probably better off being his stupid donkey self.
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Jits,
So who do you trust as the expert locksmith? There is no honor among thiefs or murders or rapeist. No matter who you pick someone will object. Unless its me. Why? Becuase all of you trust me. (obviously not). See my point, The animosity is something that needs to be addresed. Who can trust who? I will break the cycle and see what it gets me. Thats why there should be a better way.
In this case, the "expert locksmith" does not get appointed. Regardless of who it is, handing out lock picks to the entire town does not resolve anything. Instead of having one person you may or may not trust, you'd have hundreds.
The "better way" you suggest is, and probably always will be, a work in progress, and it requires the cooperation of the server admins and ultimately the players to keep everything updated. However, as long as sever admins neglect to update and/or allow old client versions to connect, any cheat detection methods I add do little good.
P.S. Use the spell check.
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P.S. Use the spell check.
hahahah.
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I know why, and had stated previously you did not want first of all more cheaters, that is bound to happen and secondly you don't want 100 of accusations a day. My point again is there has to be a better way.
In this case, the "expert locksmith" does not get appointed. Regardless of who it is, handing out lock picks to the entire town does not resolve anything. Instead of having one person you may or may not trust, you'd have hundreds
So we agree. That hunderds of wallhacks is not good. ;( What now? Wait for every server but evl to upgrade every build and set their server settings to not allow old builds. We have the EV1 servers why not work on better protections, as you have full control of the software and its settings. That is somehting, at least its better than waiting for hell to freeze over.
DIGI you shad up you stupid english kaaanigit.
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I don't know were you have been this entire thread but I'm pretty sure somewhere someone pointed out they watched this video with a wallhack using build14-15. Forcing people into using the latest build is pointless unless there's an anticheat running like NoCheat.
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BoB: The key word in my last post was detection. Think about it.
Loial: Certainly the EV1 servers will be updated, but if somebody wants to cheat, they could simply play on the GT servers (or some other server that isn't updated) and get away with it / evade the global ban. Hopefully I can get all of the popular servers to update after the next release.
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Whatever I remember u saying something like that.... and yeah and u got mad at skater about the hacking thing? what about clipz? atleast skater admitted it and took blame and isnt sucking up to you anyone now..... clipz is suckign up to you so he doesnt get banned cause hes banned from basically every other server.
hahaha im not banned from excrement only blues servers and there gone so you suck again
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Your going to be banned from mine, pal. So stop hacking while your jackin.
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only blues servers and there gone
Thats what you think. You will be mighty surprised when you realize it isn't quite dead yet.
I'm glad your bringing attention to the fact that almost no one is banning you. It further supports why people should never post demos of hacking. What does it do? The hackers still run around and get away with it on a majority of the servers. Even the global ban list won't help if this continues.
You don't care if other servers ban you, because you know GT holds the most people most of the time. One of these days GT isn't going to be around server-wise. That will be one horrid day for all hackers.
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You don't care if other servers ban you, because you know GT holds the most people most of the time
This being true you should know what to do then :) shhhh...dont play there ;) JK
The hackers still run around and get away with it on a majority of the servers
Then why is GT being singled out, mostly. Why not call out other public server admins. You know who most of them are right? Wishes there was a better way.
One of these days GT isn't going to be around server-wise
They will be around for a while. Or at least they will be in control of the admin. Remember the whole hell freezeing over thing I posted earlier? The GT admin has every right to do what he wants to regarding the server settings. Just like every player has every right to play were they want. God bless freedom.
That will be one horrid day for all hackers.
Agreed. Since hackers dont use any other server but GT. Right? ......
Pink this was not directed towards you, your cute ;) But more towards the anti-GT element.
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hahaha when gt is gone dp is gone
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You Wish.
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hahaha when gt is gone dp is gone
Hardly. My q2 skills challenged friend. Sighs I cant believe people still cheat. Clips come on now, be a good boy, enjoy your your hax and go away find another game to intercourse up. That or face a Loial rant, you want like me when I rant. It hurts (to read).
GT never dies just multiplies. ---waits for a nasty retort to that.
"You saw 'Colors' and you got a woody" Wigga- MOD Billy MIlano
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hahahaha i dont hack anymore i havent sence loial you suck even if u could hack hahahhahaha and im not going to want to play on your poor servers anyways stupid f uck
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I wasn't making fun of anyone... well actually I probably was but atleast I am being honest. And people change and i'm not always hostile. Clipz is a moron and needs to hit up subway. GO JARED!! As far as personal decisions? They always talk about whats best for the community... so why not take advantage of the situation and help us have more fun. It is pretty sad that he had wallhack against us.... he was probably better off being his stupid donkey self.
dude boomer
my name is jared..
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ehh nice call clipz
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Yes, thanks for that wonderful demonstration of what an excellent addition you are to this community and why we should all forgive you and move on.
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hahahaha i dont hack anymore i havent sence loial you suck even if u could hack hahahhahaha and im not going to want to play on your bad servers anyways stupid f uck
When I read that...
...I get this imagine of a huge walrus like creature sitting there at its desk, encircled in old dishes and food containers. There's a small clearing just wide enough for a computer mouse to be suffocated by a gigantic, flipper-like appendage. The creature feverishly flaps at the keyboard, each attempted stroke striking multiple keys. Sweat drips from the rolls of its neck onto the food crumbs below, as the angry beast attempts to generate a coherent thought. Suddenly the beasts murmourous grunts are climaxed with a rumbling, pre-pubescent shriek. The beast submits its reply and flops out of its chair onto the sleeping mat below. Once it gathers enough strengh, the massive creature will return.
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Yes, thanks for that wonderful demonstration of what an excellent addition you are to this community and why we should all forgive you and move on.
ive been in the community sence day 1..... how would i be an addition?
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hacker. your fat opinion is not accepted here.
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Yes, thanks for that wonderful demonstration of what an excellent addition you are to this community and why we should all forgive you and move on.
ive been in the community sence day 1..... how would i be an addition?
Since existance, an entity can receive nearly anything in addition, even if from day one. In GameSurge's #eew, we call you a psuedo-intellectual homosexual.
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hacker. your fat opinion is not accepted here.
joe hack or not you will always suck rooster and iron how does it make me merry? please explain hahaha i love yalls insults... sounds like elementary school all over again
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hahahaha i dont hack anymore i havent sence loial you suck even if u could hack hahahhahaha and im not going to want to play on your bad servers anyways stupid f uck
1.Uh I have one sever not servers. Get it right fat detective nose virgin.
2.Been here since day one? Then why the intercourse are you hacking, loser?
3.Jesus CHrist Boomer and everyone, I am sorry I ever doubted this one, he is getting what he deserves. Have your way with him, bring the flour he is a fat one.
4.Sorry clipz I tried everything I could, but your a dipexcrement.
5.I can no longer justify my hesitation on pointing out your penis/brain size.
Good day sir.
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hahahah you gotta talk about my rooster some ones a little insecure about there own?
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You have some kind of compulsive laughing problem. You should see a doctor/'happy hotel' about that.
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Don't you know? Fat men are jolly!
... sorry, couldn't resist that one.
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hahahah you gotta talk about my sock some ones a little insecure about there own?
LOL can you even see yours? FATTY bahaha
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LOL can you even see yours? FATTY bahaha
Dont you think that's offensive to your clanmates? 90% of your clan is fatter then clipz.
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Well of course it would be if I was talking about them in that manor. DUH. I have something called respect and I give it untill I can no longer justify giving it. I guess regarding respect in a way you are no better than clipz. How ironic.
Good day sir.
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Clipz just owns.
guys get over it.
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Ok so [krew] is either Clipz's fat ass or someone faking. Either way it was funny.
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you can check ips that s hit aint me bitc h
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It's probably the person in krew that sent clipz his wallhack
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DT that hardly works, seeing as you admit you have wallhacks too
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-10:22:47- <digi> wow
-10:22:52- <digi> way to take example from the newbies
-10:22:58- <digi> you've bene playing this game for much longer then them
-10:23:03- <digi> "newbies are hacking, i might aswell"
-10:23:24- <Clipz> well dude the only reason i hacked in the 1st place
-10:23:27- <Clipz> im not goign to lie
-10:23:36- <Clipz> is because i kept getting pissed when you guys beat me
-10:23:43- <Clipz> i wanted to try to impress er33t
-10:23:54- <Clipz> i always have tried to
-10:24:18- <Clipz> thats why i did
-10:24:26- <Clipz> im the only old schooler out there that was in a poop clan
-10:24:36- <Clipz> and i wanted to play with better
ha
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hahahaha how sad. When I hacked I just wanted to impress you digi :-/
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Yea, i have wallhacks, if i didnt i wouldn't have been able to expose clipz. I've never used them in a match though, again, anyone can demo me/us.
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There's nothing wrong with having a wallhack. It's pretty much the only way to confirm if someone is cheating or not.
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Yea, i have wallhacks, if i didn't i wouldn't have been able to expose clipz. I've never used them in a match though, again, anyone can demo me/us.
Ever use them in public during play? I am just worried about my self frankly getting owned by one in public and how unfair that is, that is all.
To anyone, how do you learn how to spot a wallhack with a wallhack with out using one against live unknowing subjects? Now you can call me clueless. Thanks.
There's nothing wrong with having a wallhack. It's pretty much the only way to confirm if someone is cheating or not.
Most ironic. Speaking for myself that is a bitter pill gentlemen.
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To anyone, how do you learn how to spot a wallhack with a wallhack with out using one against live unknowing subjects? Now you can call me clueless. Thanks.
Several clues:
a) no spraying
b) shooting at "perfect" moments after no spraying. Or throwing nades right when they see the player preparing to enter
c) eyes miraculously watching the wall and clearly looking at another player. You can even see this by switching between the two people without a wallhack
d) lots of camping, rarely any rushing. When player does rush they usually stay hidden most of the time, then pop out
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a. ok
b. obvious
c. yes
d. That is exatcly how xb beat us. Ask them. Got ahead in points then camped. Poor map choices and good stratagy I know, but I did realized that if your not using a switch hands bind while strafeing, ur screwed in a camp sprayfest.
So form what your saying, it does not take an expert to tell. Just those tell tale signs. Hmmm why not have this available in observer mode sounds like a good recon tool? I guess I am clueless.
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Since i have been in eR33t i havent used a wallhack in public (August '04?). Before that time i know i had access to one and may have used it, but i cant remember.
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but I did realized that if your not using a switch hands bind while strafeing, ur screwed in a camp sprayfest
I think that the advantages of the hand-switch-on-strafe that you're talking about (mentioned in this (http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=1060.msg10502#msg10502) thread) are highly exaggerated for a 'camp sprayfest' situation.
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]Most ironic. Speaking for myself that is a bitter pill gentlemen.
If you're going to quote me with a response, please make some sense.
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It made sense.
Let me clairify,
1. I was not disagreeing with you. Just pointing out the irony.
2.Having a cheat is ok? That is ironic.
3.So for anyone to catch a wallhack they must first download it then learn how its used, with out acutally cheating. That is ironic and impossible.
4. Ever heard the term 'a bitter pill to swallow' ? Mabey not, its called an Idiom and defined loosely as "A bitter pill to swallow is something that is hard to accept"
I made sense, it was clear as day. Good day to you sir.
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You know Loail your clan is absolutely pathetic. I've once again been banned from GT everything. For no reason, except for an accusation by Derrek, Wicked and Clipz(which is ironic). Anyways, I'm so sick of being banned from those meddling servers. I don't even get a say in what might have happened or anything they just automatically assume. Sad sad sad.
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hey buddy i didnt do excrement i didnt say anything well dp is better with our you anyways
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shut up you fat piece of s.hit
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good diss back in elementary again? your sure as hell act like it
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Yes, but at least I can actually type you fat fingered cup cake eating homo.
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Loial, in all honesty, I believe you are the stupidest g retard to ever play this game. I'm sure jitpose has a wallhack, does he hack?
You're a disgrace to this game.
I will no longer read your posts or give you even 1 second of my undivided attention because you're a MORON.
Kill yourself. (saying this seriously for the first time)
Thanks.
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but I did realized that if your not using a switch hands bind while strafeing, ur screwed in a camp sprayfest
lmao... just like bain stated... a "switch h on l/r strafe" alias really does no good in paintball. Why? because when you alter the fov past like 100 or something, the weapon model goes away. The whole reason to use a "switch h on l/r strafe" alias is to free up the view so you can see more. Therefore, you can infer that competative players have their config fov around 110+ (i play on 120). Hence, no reason to use that 'cheat'.
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Skater n digi:
exercising their rights to evade the language filter. 1337. ;)
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Loial:
Not to rip on you, but you've said some contradictory things in the past on this forum - from what i've seen. and not only are you a hypocrit, but you also can't spell or construct words in grammatically correct sentances to save your life. I woudn't go and tell you to kill yourself - that's a pretty dumb request/command. But please refrain from posting/saying such igorant statements. Like... THINK before you post... or something like that.
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I think it's a pretty fair request.
He has to think about others too.
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haha digi... it's a intercoursein game...
i'd rather spend my time coaxing jits to start dev work on some anticheat method than telling loial he should go kill himself and become DP's therapist...
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You know Loail your clan is absolutely pathetic. I've once again been banned from GT everything. For no reason, except for an accusation by Derrek, Wicked and Clipz(which is ironic). Anyways, I'm so sick of being banned from those intercoursing servers. I don't even get a say in what might have happened or anything they just automatically assume. Sad sad sad.
Cant tell ya what happened. Good luck there, i was banned for a happy reason and got over it. Read my first post on forum. If it helps, tell me what happened.
Loial, in all honesty, I believe you are the stupidest g retard to ever play this game. I'm sure jitpose has a wallhack, does he hack?
You're a disgrace to this game.
I will no longer read your posts or give you even 1 second of my undivided attention because you're a MORON.
Kill yourself. (saying this seriously for the first time)
Thanks.
I said its ironic, that is all. Why the hostile front? Undivided attention, wow I wish I could do that.
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but I did realized that if your not using a switch hands bind while strafeing, ur screwed in a camp sprayfest
lmao... just like bain stated... a "switch h on l/r strafe" alias really does no good in paintball. Why? because when you alter the fov past like 100 or something, the weapon model goes away. The whole reason to use a "switch h on l/r strafe" alias is to free up the view so you can see more. Therefore, you can infer that competative players have their config fov around 110+ (i play on 120). Hence, no reason to use that 'cheat'.
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Skater n digi:
exercising their rights to evade the language filter. 1337. ;)
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Loial: But please refrain from posting/saying such igorant statements. Like... THINK before you post... or something like that.
roger and thanks
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Loial: Why are you on these forums 24/7?
Everytime I come back to a thread, your posts change. You'll write some lame post to me or someone else, then I'll come back a few days later and the post will be COMPLETELY different. You're so worried about it that you come back and look over all your posts every hour or so? Get a hobby. I've never even read one of your posts that actually had a good point to it.
This is why DP went to poop. Not enough 'real' players come onto this forum. Loial has the most voiced opinion because he's on here all day and night, or sitting in pub thinking he's good playing people who can't strafe with his GT chums.
This is why all the changes have been made to suit newbies. No one who actually plays this game has a voice. Just newbies like loial who post all day on every thread and have never played a real match before.
*waits for another poop talk attempt from loial that will be edited 19 times in an hour*
How about just THINKING before you post something. That way you don't have to come edit it 45 times like a f aggot.
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You mentioned me serveral times now, with the same effect. Why do you keep posting the same old flame? Others seem to get my point, why cant you poopster?. I edit several of my posts latly to cut out flames and comments that frankly would put me in the same boat as you dear boy. If you dont like the modify button than asked to have it removed. its there for a reason. Speaking of consistant you need to really think about your act, its as boring as my posts. At least I dont spend ever waking breath calling everyone a newb, nice life. You got to get over yourself. *Jesus Christ yawning your so predictable.
Funny thing is you play on GT servers when you have other ones at your disposal. This game is about having fun, whether its in public or matches not making fun of others, which sadly you need help with. Good luck at a real life with that attitude buddy.
I guess I should be thankful no wait honored! Seems as though your here as well 24-7 as well. I guess by your standards we both need a life then. Oh well another ironic and angry twist by DIGI. :) flame off
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..Who do I call a newb? Other then you.
Name me one person.
g idiot. Even if I did do that, look at you. "HACKER" "OMFG FORCEFIELD HACK" "PBALL CURVE HACK"
You're g pathetic.
You just can't face the fact. YOU'RE G TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME. You can't even go positive in a server full of g swedens in pub. You are the worst member of GT and that is really REALLY bad, so of course you try to make yourself look good by saying EVERYONE hacks.
omgz wtf sheild haxcz.
stupid worthless 30year old. Keep this up and you'll grow up to be a fat 50year old who cries over games like the rest of your f aggot clan. You're well on your way.
bind y "{{{{{{{{{{{{{{WALLHAcK}}}}}}}}}}}}}}"
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Man you really need help DIGI. ::) Get you facts strait.
*edit Merl clearly stated he did not think I was accusing him of cheating. You spewing out leet geek claiming this is plain geeky. GJ DOUG(FPS) Get over it. Or can you?
**edit You just can't face the fact. YOU'RE G TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME. You can't even go positive in a server full of g swedens in pub. You are the worst member of GT and that is really REALLY bad, so of course you try to make yourself look good by saying EVERYONE hacks
LOL what can I say but wow your not as smart as you think. I dont think everyone is a hacker and anyone thinking so is as well thought out as clipz choosing to hack. This game is fun if I suck at it in your opinion then fine, you said it, its done. Feel better? Its just your opinion after all and not a fact.
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I predict loial is a 14 yr old kid who goes to a private school. He is naturally nice, but not too intelligent. Open minded. Blatently ignorant.
I predict digi is a 16-18 yr old kid who goes to a public school. He's a rebel at heart and has a close group of friends. He doesn't get along too well with his parents. He's skilled.
You guys need to read Iron's post again... it's getting to be worse than me vs. skater or smokey...
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I've been looking at these posts, and I think I've got the hang of it. Lemme try.
LOL what can I say but wow your not as smart as you think. I dont think everyone is a hacker and anyone thinking so is as well thought out as clipz choosing to hack. This game is fun if I suck at it in your opinion then fine, you said it, its done. Feel better? Its just your opinion after all and not a fact.
HOLY poopBALL a MONKE LIEK COME OUT OF TEH CHURCH AND SITE YOU N TAR-XZF YOUR DAUGHTERS!!!1
DIGI YOU PLAY WITHE e3re3t and not play well do you think i smoke pipe that long?
IF My Faculties Were About Me I'd reply to your longdrawn post nXe but ia agrea with What you say and a barrel of booze.
if iron released a cd it would be paintball and id be on crack.
can i get some fresh children.
ps jitspoe smel liek fryed taco
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ata boy iron ;) startin a lil early though. i haven't even gone on my liquor run for tonight... wooo
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"Who constantly bully, hassle and disturb public servers in a vulgar immature way"
I wish that would apply to other realms like vent, irc, fourms ...oh well flame on.
NXE, Wow 14 year old private school. If you only new the acid tripping, student athelte I once was. I am nothing like I used to be other than a good heart. I seen to many people die to treat others like crap. Life is a trip. Mabey that explains alot.
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^ hahahahhahahahahahahahaha
hahah.
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