Digital Paint Discussion Board
Development => Mapping => Topic started by: Nikademis on April 08, 2009, 03:49:58 AM
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I've been playing game for sometime now and I have to say the quality of maps has gotten very poor. I think there should be a committee to look at the maps and say which ones should be allowed to go on servers. People rant and rave over maps that took no thought to put together. There are older maps out there that are simple and fun. There is a new breed of map makers that throw some crap together and call it a map and it sucks beyond belief. Does any one else feel this way or have the mind players who camp and spawn kill to no end rule this game??
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Yeah I feel the same way... though not quite as harsh.
I really hate it when there are 100s of maps out there, and by the time you download them, gone through each one, you find only a handful of good ones. The rest were a waste of download and time.
In agreement there needs to be a committee vote on the best maps, and maybe a sub-forum on it.
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There is a new breed of map makers that throw some crap together and call it a map and it sucks beyond belief. Does any one else feel this way or have the mind players who camp and spawn kill to no end rule this game??
I don't play this game too much any more because of that. Almost every sever has one of five maps on it, all of which suck and are overplayed (I hate the Shazam maps the most). Thats one reason that I make some maps. Although, the development time on my maps is averaging around two years per map at this point. :P
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Well, Zorch, if I might be so bold as to call you that, I believe you have seen one of my friend's map (Vague312). I started trying to make maps and realized that they were pretty lame, but Vague312 has maps that actually look pretty professional. I don't mind the shaz maps. I like Eclisse, Forgotten Statues, UB Cliff, Midnight, Discovery (isn't that bad) neither is UB Abbey. Bankrobbery is cool and I like Kung Fu.There are about another 5 maps or so that I do like (the names escape me at the moment). The spawn points on the maps need to be better, make it harder to spawn kill. Spawn killing and camping are the two things that drive me nuts. Oh, not to mention people who use hacks. As a person who plays/played real paintball nothing drives me insane as a person who doesn't move up. I think people need to look at the textures out there and put some thought into it. I've been watching how Vague does his maps and would like to be able to make a good map, but I doubt I will.
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So can someone start a thread on 'best maps in DP2'?
I'd start it but I have no clue about any map. I haven't been here long, nor have I looked much into any maps.
To stop heaps of maps coming through, make it a map that heaps of people (and I mean HEAPS) like and think its really good. Not just a map that some people think its great while others think a different one is better.
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Let's just wait until the time is right for "official dp:pb2 maps". You get the maps you need when you download your game and most pub and match activity is done using those maps.
Yeah, alot of good maps will be gone, but who gives a crap.
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So can someone start a thread on 'best maps in DP2'?
I'd start it but I have no clue about any map. I haven't been here long, nor have I looked much into any maps.
There's already 5 threads on "best maps in DP2". Search em. :)
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Yeah there is about 5 or 6
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I don't mind the shaz maps. I like Eclisse, Forgotten Statues, UB Cliff, Midnight, Discovery (isn't that bad) neither is UB Abbey. Bankrobbery is cool and I like Kung Fu.There are about another 5 maps or so that I do like (the names escape me at the moment). The spawn points on the maps need to be better, make it harder to spawn kill. Spawn killing and camping are the two things that drive me nuts. Oh, not to mention people who use hacks.
Get off OTB speed and try a pub like 3iob public you won't find maps like Ub_Abbey and you won't get spawnkilled except when a newbie comes by every once in awhile :P
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The problem is that the servers play maps that people like. Most people like those overplayed maps. But if servers keep maps that people don't like, they wont play on that server. I personally think it's odd. I have been playing this game about 7 months, and i'm sick of shazams and maps like that.
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The problem is that the servers play maps that people like. Most people like those overplayed maps. But if servers keep maps that people don't like, they wont play on that server. I personally think it's odd. I have been playing this game about 7 months, and i'm sick of shazams and maps like that.
Yeah, and OTB then changes the maprotation and i see newbies enjoy holycow2 and discovery :o.
OTB Speed controls the newbies.
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But it doesn't make the game go anywhere. It might control the newbies but how many of those newbies are ever going to be assets to our community? Some American players play on there because they like speed even when their ping on there is bad.
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I would like to see newbies to play normal servers, too. I don't care if they play in a Speed pub, but what i would like to see, is that more newbies start to play normal pubs and discover the tactical and more challenging gameplay, than the lining and spraying what the speed pubs offer.
Also it would be better if the maprotations of the servers wouln't be so small. Like arctic, it has really small rotation, something like 10 maps. 3iob has pretty good maplist, in my opinion. Like i would have played much on it, but i've played on it sometimes, when euro servers got a sucky map. And when i've played on it has almost everytime different map.
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Well, Zorch, if I might be so bold as to call you that, I believe you have seen one of my friend's map (Vague312). I started trying to make maps and realized that they were pretty lame, but Vague312 has maps that actually look pretty professional. I don't mind the shaz maps. I like Eclisse, Forgotten Statues, UB Cliff, Midnight, Discovery (isn't that bad) neither is UB Abbey. Bankrobbery is cool and I like Kung Fu.There are about another 5 maps or so that I do like (the names escape me at the moment). The spawn points on the maps need to be better, make it harder to spawn kill. Spawn killing and camping are the two things that drive me nuts. Oh, not to mention people who use hacks. As a person who plays/played real paintball nothing drives me insane as a person who doesn't move up. I think people need to look at the textures out there and put some thought into it. I've been watching how Vague does his maps and would like to be able to make a good map, but I doubt I will.
Thats another thing. I've seen some very nice looking maps on the forums, but they just aren't played on the servers. Looking at the server list right now and im seeing three servers running propaint1, four running a shazam, three airtime, and a bunch of jump maps.
On a side note, the first few servers (by number of players) are running some good maps, which was rather unexpected on my part. :P
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Server admins that want people on their server (Superman) will put the terrible maps on their maplist because the newbies will then flock to the server.
yep, its all about the server admins.
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Thats the unfortunate truth. :-\
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I know Dirty_Taco makes good maps and I believe I saw 1 by Zorch that was good. I know that Zorch has the menus. 3IOB server isn't bad, I like it, I think respawn should be 20 sec max or 10 min because of smaller maps it gets kinda frustrating
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Server admins that want people on their server (Superman) will put the terrible maps on their maplist because the newbies will then flock to the server. eR33t's pub, which had a quality maplist, was almost always empty. So if you want to change the level of maps played, change the newbies minds. Good luck with that.
Maybe 5% of the people that play this game use the forums. You say er33t pub had quality maps, but it was empty all the time? I think the map is quality if the majority of people like it. As a server admin, I try to please the highest amount of people possible. Why pay for a public server if its not used?
Strategy is not really a big issue on public servers. Half of the people in them barely know how to play.
3iob pub will always have maps that do not kill the server. You want to play with strategy? Join a clan and match.
+ I try to counter this with having several active admins. You will only see complicated "quality" maps on when the majority of the people playing at the time ask for one. My server is the only one i know of with active admins.
Nikademis: Respawn will never be less than 60 seconds on 3iob public. This atleast allows some strategy, instead of mindless killing. Go to otb speed.
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I think there are alot of maps that should be trashed alot of the newer mappers are just rushing. I was one to criticize maps before, then I started mapping and my appreciation for a few peoples work has grown.
I'd also like to have a mapping committee.
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Being in a clan does not do much. My friend tried starting DP Tournaments......people were like cool, signed up for the info then when it came close to game day people crapped out. OTB is ok, but the spawn killers and campers drive me nuts, not to mention the constant team swapping. I like being on my friends server because there is control. I am in a clan for the purpose of finding my friends that come to my friends REAL paintball field. We don't really match, but on occasion we have had 2 vs 2 against people just for the fun of it. Back to the topic at hand. Some things I think a map should be/have 1)look nice 2) decent size 3) not 1 sided 4) have spawn points that people can't sit and pick off respawns
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I don't see the point of a map committee. Again, its all up to the server admins.
What would a map committee do? Decide what can and can't go on servers? The admins can already put whatever maps they want on, even if they're beta.
Would the map committee find flaws and tell how to make the map better? Everyone already does that here in the Mapping section.
All a Map committee could really do is vote if maps are good or not, but nothing would happen since they can't change maps on the servers.
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Ok, say you still have dial up and takes you 20 min to Dl a map or you sit there and download a map pack......and 99% of the maps in that pack or the map that is on that server sucks.......you wasted time.Any one can make a map, but a quality map that is worthy of being played is another
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DP Mapping can go further either way. If you can have maps like the following in Q2 there isnt any real reason they shouldn't at least exist in DP.
a few Q2 maps (same engine as DP for the uninformed)
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetquake.gamespy.com/images/oldsite/clusterimages/leray28.jpg
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetquake.gamespy.com/images/oldsite/clusterimages/quake11146017717.jpg
http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetquake.gamespy.com/images/oldsite/clusterimages/stahcontest1.jpg
I think if a bit more time was taken in a maps appearance even god awful maps like shock would at least present better to new players. Every so often you see someone posting up a topic about improving graphics quote:"cuz they suck". Now what sucks the games engine or the fact there playing maps like blitz & fff2?
Raising the bar a bit isnt going to hurt anyone.
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I don't see the point of a map committee. Again, its all up to the server admins.
What would a map committee do? Decide what can and can't go on servers? The admins can already put whatever maps they want on, even if they're beta.
Would the map committee find flaws and tell how to make the map better? Everyone already does that here in the Mapping section.
All a Map committee could really do is vote if maps are good or not, but nothing would happen since they can't change maps on the servers.
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There are a couple things I could see a map committee doing:
1) Come up with a list of approved match maps.
2) Determine when a map is sufficient to be moved out of beta status.
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3. Determine the maps that would be included in official DP releases.
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Organize a yearly mapping contest?
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I think the map is quality if the majority of people like it....
3iob pub will always have maps that do not kill the server.
Exactly, people play what they like.
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1) Come up with a list of approved match maps.
2) Determine when a map is sufficient to be moved out of beta status.
1. There's so many maps, it'd be restricting if they didn't choose all the maps ppl like to play. I could see this only as a point for leagues or ladders.
2. beta's are in match's and pub's, moving out of beta doesn't effect too much, and besides, this sub-forum is meant to do that right, to help find flaws and what to fix, till its done?
3. Determine the maps that would be included in official DP releases.
this is a good point, I don't think a whole committee would be needed for it though, just a few people watching the pubs and matches, and listing whats mostly played, since its not a big deal if certain maps aren't in there.
Organize a yearly mapping contest?
This is the most feasible reason a committee would be needed, and I wouldn't mind seeing a committee for this, since it would get people interested in mapping. And would help implement good theme ideas in maps.
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And as for speed servers, there is a reason noobs like them. Noobs can't learn the game when they sit most of the time. On a traditional server they die in about three seconds. Then, those who most need the practice, the noobs, watch while those who are already good play. Then the round ends, and the whole cycle repeats.
On a speed server they can at least keep moving all the time, learning the basics.
I actually wish we had a decent American speed server. Syncmaster's was a good warm up when I logged on before playing other servers. And without speed servers I think we have less noobs stick with it.
In fact, I see Justin's post just above me. I seem to recall him playing a lot of speed servers early on. He is pretty good now at the traditional game.
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Wel, have you ever played on Joe Zam's server? It is an American server main base is New Jersey then out of Luzerne PA. Not sure where 3iob server but the ping is low so I am assuming it it close to North Eastern US since I am in North East PA
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1. Official maps is awesome
2. Not good. Custom maps are around in every. Let people play whatever they like.
To enforce people to play official maps you could make it so that if server has the approved maplist on rotation, then it is visible in server list. You can still connect to servers with custom map lists by using the ip.
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I think its a lack of textures most textures dont match with each other.. and making textures can be quite annoying (i imagine)
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I think more maps should take advantage of jails. That way the newbies can still get 100% play time and learn the basic mechanics of the game, but they don't have all the down sides of short respawn servers.
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Yes, jails like in Jericho, that's pretty cool, and fun too. And it's annoying when you wait for respawning...