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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: digi on April 13, 2006, 01:21:05 AM
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You'll get a 2nd chance don't worry. This community is known for not caring about hackers. Look at ganja and zoogooz.. Blatantly wallhacking for the last 3 years. Oh and please RR members (oj, herron) save your bullexcrement. I bet gwb never hacked too, right? hah.. clowns
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it's ok herron. gwb and zoogooz don't wallhack. and ip never beat RR 7 times.
It's all our imaginations.
Running wild
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So I was just going to let it drop, that's why I deleted my first post, but you seem determined to egg it on for some reason. I'm not really sure why though.
Original post: Apparently I'm getting dragged into this because I don't think that demo showed ZoogooZ hacking.
As for all the other stuff you said, I know nothing about anyone in RR hacking. That's the truth, and you can believe me or not. I don't particually care either way, but I'd rather not have my silence give the impression that I agree with what you're saying. Hell, people used to say you, Crazed, and Ganja hacked all the time too. Doesn't feel too good does it? Or maybe you just don't care, which is the way you should feel, but it still doesn't give people the go-ahead to just start spouting crap about you. So before you go bringing up pointless garbage about me being in RR and therefore I'm covering up for the 'hackers'... seriously... wtf man?
As for the RR v iP matches, do you really think I care about that? LOL. That is such old news and it matters less than nothing! I didn't even play for RR back then, I was the only HPB and I was still HPB by the time RR quit playing altogether. I'm sure I played a few 'token' maps, but for the most part the only thing I did was observe like one map every two weeks and record a demo.
So I don't know what you're talking about with the whole 7 wins thing... perhaps you're alluding to the rr webpage that I made 5 YEARS AGO... WITH SCREENSHOTS FROM 1 YEAR PRIOR TO THAT, WHICH WERE SENT TO ME SECONDHAND. If that's what it is... wow... I don't even really have a response, other than pointing out that you're bringing up stuff from 6 years ago.
I think you're just pissed that Gibb posted my comment in the rust channel topic (which I don't even go in, btw) and so you're attacking me because I was in RR with Zoo. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
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People said that because I was better then them. Not because they were valid accusations. ZoogooZ is clearly not better then me, with or without a wallhack. Also, the accusations against zoogooz were made when we had a hefty lead. That's NEVER happened with accusations towards me. It's always because I'm (or eR33t) up by 45 points, and there's clearly no other way to do that without hacking..? To be honest I didn't read the rest of your post after that part.
PS - I called zoogooz's wallhack before the match even started. I've been watching him play for the last 2 years and he's 100% blatant with it. I would honestly bet my life on him wallhacking. It's pretty much a fact, if you've been matching against him within the last 2 years. Of course the people who say he doesn't hack are all the people who don't even play anymore. The oldschoolers who think they know everything about DP. Yeah, he didn't hack back then. Yeah he was good back then. Times have changed. I really don't care if a single person believes it, not on here to convince people that he hacked. To be honest, people hacking makes the game more interesting for me, seeing as how our last 200 matches have been total jokes involving 0 challenge. And people, eR33t doesn't care about the loss.. we care about the hacker. We lost once in like 8 months, and we're angry? You people lose daily. It's a game. Get over yourselves and come to the realization that the accusation was not made because of a loss. xb knows we own them, everyone in DP knows we own xb, it's not a big deal.
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Fair enough. I was basing my opinion solely on the one demo of half a map of hellsurv because that's all that is available to me and I was under the initial impression that the demo was supposed to be an end-all-be-all showing him hacking. But now I see that there's a backstory, and I know how weird stuff adds up over time to give one impression or the other. That's cool, I wasn't there for any of these other times so I can't even comment on them (even possible stuff happening earlier in that particular match), and I think you're right about how you'd have to know all sides of the story.
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And people, eR33t doesn't care about the loss.. we care about the hacker. We lost once in like 8 months, and we're angry? You people lose daily. It's a game. Get over yourselves and come to the realization that the accusation was not made because of a loss. xb knows we own them, everyone in DP knows we own them, it's not a big deal.
Today in eR33t´s topic in IRC:
* Now talking in #team_er33t
* Topic is 'Team eR33t [Their Record] xb = $ecUred 1-42 record vs eR33t.'
* Set by digi
Say you dont care about the loss. Im not saying that zoogooz is innocent or guilty by that. Those times you have lost a map against us (or others) you HAVE ALWAYS claimed about something. It always was your high ping, a "crappy server" (which wasnt true at our matches. you just made that up because you pinged high) or an opponent of you hacking. So why shouldnt you just have accused him because he was simply better / as good as you? I bet he had the highest scores in his team during that match. P out.
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Herron - ;)
I'm not too worried about him being caught this time, because yeah the demo isn't really much. You had to be there. Zoo should just be happy we weren't on a pbcup server where it'd autodemo him because I'm certain he would get banned. But oh well. Maybe this will be an eye opener to him to stop hacking. =) Either way works.
Playah - Get your story straight, idiot. Our topic says that because now that xb beat us, they said they're never matching us again. Also, you don't even know who set that topic.
lol @ "an opponent of yours hacking"
Who have I ever accused of hacking before this?
Clipz? Yeah. and my demos exposed his blatant wallhack.
No one else.
Shut up, thanks.
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lol @ us turning this thread around.
oh well.
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Totally kind of jumping in here, but zoo diddn't have the best score on his team.. that was oddjob (and no one accused him of anything).
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I havent been playing in a month. I havent posted in a while why does my name still come up? How to solve this problem? Get rid of er33t, nothing else is a problem... there always in the mix.
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Digi the reason why xb wont match you isnt the fact that we dont want to lose to you, its the fact that you guys, basically you and bob act like complete jackasses during the match as seen by the demo that pierce recorded during our map of hellsurvivors. Speaking of which I have demos of my own that I took during that match and in several instances where pierce claims he is hacking, I see what zoogooz sees and its pretty clear that he knows where you guys are cause you were spraying giving away your position and you stood up, anyway.
Maybe if you guys grew up and didnt act like complete asses towards people and dont call us newbies when you guys lose, cause I know for a fact that I have been playing longer than you. We would match you, but whats the point of matching when you are just going to piss and moan and say LOL or ROFL everytime we kill you, is it because you are suposedly better than us? maybe but you guys lost that match for yourself, even if zoog was hacking, it wouldnt have made a difference.
and as for me being in RR and knowing/thinking zoogooz and gwb were hacking, I have no idea if that was true cause I never knew. I also have never hacked in my life. I appreciate what you said blitz, cause I was the kill leader for the whole match.
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Oj: How many times did I speak out of mm2 that match? 0? 1? Good answer idiot. I really want to see this 'excrement talking' because if you were actually thinking with your brain right now instead of your newbie instincts trying to defend your newbie teammates you'd realize I didnt excrement talk that whole match. Only things I MAY of said out of mm2 were "=)" or "nice". Give me a break. I cant even believe you said that. lmfao. People complain I talk excrement all the time, then when I clearly dont say a word, it's still OMGZ DIGI WUTZ UP DOODZ STOPZ TALKIN excrementZ. You're a joke.
Make up more excuses please. They make me laugh.
How come no other clans complain about us talking excrement all match?
Oh, and you said "we dont have our good players on" when I asked you for a match, then you go play ch1ll 5 seconds later.. So I guess your good players can handle the excrement talking, but you newbies cant? I thought it wasn't because you didn't want to lose? You're a tool dude. Completely ridiculous. Think before you speak next time.
PS - Yeah bob says "lmao" sometimes. Big deal. You can clearly put him on ignore within a split second of your time if it actually bothers you, which it doesn't. You just need another excuse to match GT every day without feeling like a newbie.
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I know you guys are pretty much the only clan that will beat us on a regular basis. We will match you guys again, on the same maps, without zoogooz, next week sometime as I wont be around this weekend. As long as I can convince everyone else we will match you again. And I am sorry, you werent saying stuff in mm1, and you make a good point with the ignore command, I definatly forgot it existed. If you guys treated everyone the same way you would want to be treated, I know that is like a kindergarden saying, but its true, im sure that more clans including us will match you. And as for playing clans like GT, it goes both ways, how many times did you match yesterday against much weaker clans? I think I saw twice, once with dop and once with real I believe.
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How are those weaker clans? dop would destroy gt. Dop is pretty much the only clan that has given us some challenge in the last little while (despite their cheap tactics). As for 'real', they aren't a weak clan. Haze and rashpal are good players. Moreso then most of this game.
And really, what do you want us to do? Clans that we WANT to match say NO within a split second. It's either take what we can get, or never play dp at all. Never match. It's totally different on your end. We WANT to match you, ALL the time. How many times have you turned me down? 90? lol. Same goes for pretty much every other clan. Krew pretty much refuses to play us like you guys do. ch1ll as you can tell would rather match you then us aswell. (you saw me ask them 15min before you, then you ask and they go play you 5 sec later.) There's really no one else. GT refuses... I cant even think of anymore. That's pretty much all of DP right there.
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Oh and oj I dont care if you use zoogooz. He won't hack next time after being this close to being caught. I still know he was hacking. He knows we know. So I'm pretty sure he won't do it again. Atleast not vs us.
He doesn't need it anyways. He was a good player.
Sad to see that he's still hacking since krew. Too much time with ganja.
PS - BAIN ADD AUTODEMO TO CH1LL SERVER. I think it should be added to every match server. GT, aB, whatever. It would've solved this so quickly. Midnight was 50x worse and more blatant then hellsurvivors.
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Three points to be made
1.) As Digi pointed out, the accustions on zoogooz did not come out of nowhere. We've suspected him of these activities since he was in krew. We've never had any substantive demos of him doing it. The demo we currently have isn't that great, but if one knows how wallhackers play, both smart and dumb wallhackers, one can easily see whats going on.
2.) Accusing zoogooz of wallhacking did not originate from our loss (refer back to point 1). However, our loss is probably what provoked me to go out and say it publicly. This was a bad move, I shouldn't have said anything until s8n's video was finished. To support this point, the first time we accused clipz of wallhacking was after TnL beat us. 2 weeks later we exposed his blatent wallhacking. The fact that they beat us was due to his wallhack (and camping + impact grenades). Of course, before we exposed him, no one believed us and thought we were just saying it because we lost.
3.) Being an 'authority on discovering wallhackers.' This is a very shaky point. It is considerably hard to define who is an authority on pointing out wallhackers because we have no provable criteria with which to define authority on the subject. All we can say, is who has had more experience at doing it. (This of course doesnt mean they're better at it or what have you, but it is a truth that they've had more experience).
Given these propostions, I have had a lot more experience learning how wallhackers play not only when they're blatently wallhacking (not trying to hide it) and when they are trying to hide it. To give a more solid estimate of just how long I've been doing this, I began reviewing peoples demos, demoing people etc back when sR (ShadowRealm) was considered by all a hacking clan. I have learned just about every little subtle thing wallhackers do. Also, just so theres no confusion, I have been doing this since the time of shadowrealm's existence, which means i was doing it during the era in dp before the global ban list was instantiated (when wallhacking was EXTREMELY prevalent i.e. krew which zoogooz & clipz were in). Most of the old schoolers that have posted in this thread were not active during this time.
Given these truths, I have had much more experience then just about everyone who has opposed me on this topic (most of the old schoolers who took years off, gibb, herron etc) and, probably, more than anyone who has agreed with me.
Now, with dumb wallhackers, one does not need experience to point them out. Clipz was a tradeoff between a dumb wallhacker and one who tried to hide it. You can see these people staring through walls and things of this nature. GaNja, for example, was the epitome of a dumb wallhacker.
ZoogooZ is a smart wallhacker. He knows how to not make himself look obvious. However, like anyone who cheats they do very subtle things that they cannot avoid, regardless of their intelligence. With smart wallhackers, when they do obvious things, these things can also be explained in terms of recon or conincedence (however, given inference to the best explanation they are usually explained better in terms of a wallhack). But, with how many people oppose me on this topic, i know that inference to the best explanation will not be sufficient for proving anything. To give some examples, the scene where zoogooz sprays the wall in the exact spot my teammate is hiding behind can be explained by appealing to coincidence (oh he was already spraying and accidently sprayed the wall). Or when he goes under the bridge and has his client staring directly through the bridge at where blitz is camping, then pops out and basically one shots him can be explained in terms of voice recon (again i think both are better explained in terms of a wallhack).
However, not spraying when anyone else would be spraying, cannot. This is a very shaky point because its extremely hard to define strictly 'would someone be spraying here' without a lot of experience on the map. To make it more simple, i ask you to consider the following subjunctive conditional where S refers to our subject, zoogooz, and P refers to his position on the map.
If S had been at P, S would have been spraying.
Now keep this conditional in mind the entire time while watching the demo (instead of just reading our teams message mode 2 and not watching zoogooz like many people i.e. herron did). For me, the most obvious part of the demo is when zoogooz is sitting in the middle staring at the wall directly in front of him (as opposed to down one of the routes) while i have a teammates coming from both routes to the middle. He never sits and sprays either route, just waits till they come into the field of view with the wallhack then kills them. Not spraying a route that anyone else would spray (without a wallhack) cannot be explained in terms of voice recon or conincedence. No one would sit in mid, without spraying, while digi has the flag, and allow digi a second longer to begin shooting and be moving at the same time. Digi would win 9 times out of 10, unless whomever is wallhacking.
Now, I wanted to save all of this for the post which included s8n's video of zoogooz, but since everyone forced me to post the demo (which was really my fault for stating it publicly) i had to do it here. I hope everyone who looks at this thread reads every word of this very carefully and doesnt just stop after the first paragraph and write some idiotic reply.
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Not to start some huge flame fest, but I did WATCH ZoogooZ... not just read your mm2 the entire time. That would kind of defeat the purpose of me watching it to see if I think he hacks, wouldn't it?
Like digi said earlier, I only know what I saw in that one demo, not anything else earlier that match or in the past few years you've been playing against him. I think that demo alone doesn't have much of a leg to stand on, so I'm curious to see what S8N's video will show and whether I'll feel like making one showing all of Zoo's obvious non-hacking moments to counter it. I doubt it though, because I don't know how to do it and I doubt it would matter if I did.
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Or when he goes under the bridge and has his client staring directly through the bridge at where blitz is camping, then pops out and basically one shots him can be explained in terms of voice recon (again i think both are better explained in terms of a wallhack).
This was kind of an interesting point in the demo. Zoogooz actually had sight of Blitz before going under the bridge. During the time Zoogooz was under the bridge, Blitz didn't move, meaning Zoogooz already had his shot lined up.
I really wish there was a demo from zoogooz's perspective. It's hard to conclude anything from just a few seconds of play here and there.
Sorry for continuing this off-topicness. I'll see if I can split this into a separate thread.
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Yeah. You should make autodemo turn on if a server is passworded.
PS - I didnt start this thread.
Don't lie.
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Sticking my pretty face in here to give some old school knowledge :)
I don't play anymore and, as such, dont follow the clan and player developments these days. However, I can comment that some players and clans have a long reputation of being cheaters. Zoogooz and RR in general (due to a few players) has that negative reputation. I have experienced first-hand certain things that led me to believe that he cheats sometimes, but of course that is hard to prove. Its my word against his. So if there is a demo now that shows certain things that suggest cheating, it's easier to judge him a cheater. The point is, make sure you are looking at the demo objectively and take into consideration these other things before deciding his fate.
Also another important thing to remember is that cheating does not make someone a better player. Just because someone plays better or has a better score does not mean they must be cheating. Likewise, just because someone who you think is cheating doesn't have a good score does not mean he isn't cheating. The fact that they are cheating only makes them have an unfair advantage over other players, which they may or may not be good enough to actually use to their advantage.
Also consider the source of who is doing the accusing. Not to suggest anything on this particular matter, but as I am watching from the outside these past few months, I have to laugh at the whole thing, because some of the people getting outed are guys who I could have told you were likely cheaters and at the same time, there are some accusers who I wonder if they are guilty themselves and are just trying to deflect their guilt on someone else. It's all very amusing.
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No, you didn't create this thread, digi. I just split it from another thread because it was getting way off topic.
Forcing demos when the server is passworded is a good idea.
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lol.. RB was that a subliminal shot at me? ;)
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He did see blitz there before he went under, however the 5 seconds or so he was under there blitz could have moved very far away. In fact, if i had been in zoogooz position at that time, i'd probably be looking to my side to see if blitz comes and hits me under there, not staring directly at the bridge directly at blitz. Of course this didn't happen and blitz stayed in the same spot. The point is that theres no way zoogooz could have known that without a wallhack or, of course, fast voice recon. I am just of the opinion that a wallhack better explains zoogooz staring directly at the bridge in the perfect direction at blitz, and it explains his almost perfect aim when coming out from under the bridge (inference to the best explanation).
I don't find that to be my strongest point though and don't really want this thread to digress into it. I'd rather people discuss my point about not spraying.
In response to RB, we've offered more times than i can count on two hands and two feet to let anyone and everyone demo us whenever.
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Agreed DT. NO ONE in DP would stare at the bridge like that. Instead of looking to the sides, where you can easily be hit from, he looks at a blank piece of wood? Yeah, ok. lmao. Only reason not to look to the sides is if you know no ones there, which of course he did because blitz was clearly on flag when looking through wood. X-ray cat.
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Well, like I've argued before, ghosting/dead-man recon is effectively the same thing as wallhacking. It's not as accurate, but it accomplishes the same goal. While I agree staring at the bridge is pretty sketchy, all he would need to know he's safe is for somebody to say "he's still on the flag."
I'll have to watch the demo again, but spraying in general is a dead giveaway to your location. Just because you would spray in a given situation doesn't mean other people would. I personally tend to wait until I hear a player coming before shooting.
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Zoo played the same as we did until the day he started wallhacking. There isn't one good player in DP who doesn't spray, unless they're wallhacking. Zoo always sprayed. Been playing with him for so long.
Also, why would he be sitting there worrying about giving away his position when he KNOWS everyones reconning and we clearly know where he is. He's gonna sit there directly in middle and not spray? Lmfao.
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Think about it though. In the situation im talking about its 1on2 (zoogooz being the 1). One of our guys has their flag in a close match. He's being reconned that they're both coming out main (because they are). Yet, he never sprays one side. That means, if he wasn't wallhacking, each person would have an equal chance at hitting him, especially when hes distracted by the other. Who would want to risk that? Instead you could just spray one side, either hit the guy going out that side or at least cause him to not run out then possibly take care of the other one. Either way, spraying is a much better idea in the situation if you arent wallhacking. I guarentee you 99% of the experienced dp players, playing hellsurvivors (in a close match), would be spraying at least one of the routes if not frantically spraying both. Of course if you are wallhacking, you wouldnt want to give away your position, just observe your enemies.
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But you did veer it off topic with some accusations with no proof (at first). :)
Ok so someone hacked, Digi acts like he is 13 old virgin and I am clueless. Whats changed? What i dont understand is why the devolpers have not caught any of this. Or are you rehashing old stuff that is dead?
Most of us dont spend our day stressing over who is a better player and or clan. We have lives outside of IRC.
Its as if you have majored in sucking the fun out of a blow job.
This whole thread is a joke.
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All i can say is i am desperately searching for some sort of context within this thread in which what you just said, loial, makes sense. I can't say that i'll be able to find one.
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Perhaps he's asking why, if zoogooz has been a known hacker for so long, this wasn't brought up until you lost?
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Ok, Im not taking any sides here. Cause I honestly don't care at all. But the couple times my old clan [eXT] played xB ZooGooZ seemed realllyyyyy obvious. Im not just saying that. I always thought he was good ever since I first started, but when I actually cammed him and watch him with no way of voice recon hit my team so perfect with exact timing, made me wonder. :-/
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Hmm context. Oh well you see what you want to see. My target audience is not you.
1. DIGI veered the orginal thread off topic.
2. Same thing each day. Nothing changes.
a. Someone cheats
b. Digi is acts like a penis
c. I am clueless as to why jitspoe has or can not catch wallhacks via check sums.
3. Most of us dont stess about being number one, to the point of acting like an ass.
4. You tend to over complicate matters to the point of it not being fun. For example "Loial she is not sucking your penis correctly, I can do better."
5. This thread is a flaming sexually promiscuous person of a joke.
Better?
*typical avoidence.
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Perhaps he's asking why, if zoogooz has been a known hacker for so long, this wasn't brought up until you lost?
We haven't played zoogooz in a while. Nothing to bring up until now. There's obviously no point of accusing or bringing it up if everyone will just say "you need proof".
Loial: Why do you talk about me 24/7? I don't even consider you a part of this community. That should be enough for you to not talk about me. But I'm flattered. *blush*.
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For jits reconstruction of loials post, i reply, first, when he was back in krew we were much more focused on ganja because ganja was so blatent and he was usually the krux that allowed them to win with his wallhack. We all suspected zoogooz but didnt care. In addition, back then, nothing could ever be done about a wallhacker. No one banned people from servers, especially GT. Since the time of global banning (build16) i believe we've only played xb in a recreational match once which was this most recent time. Usually they refuse to play us. Since we can actually get something done by exposing hackers now (i.e. getting them globally banned) it's worth the time and effort to expose them. That is why we haven't brought this up until now.
"This thread is a flaming sexually promiscuous person of a joke. "
I don't get this. How is a flaming sexually promiscuous person a joke?
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delete this post.
lol
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loial: Things change. There have been a number of cheaters caught and banned. Cheat detection is probably the most difficult aspect of game development. What I have is not perfect, but it improves with each new version. I have limited time and resources. Even if I come up with the best cheat detection possible, it's useless unless server admins enforce version checks. On that note, did anybody happen to catch what build zoogooz was using?
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How come if you're so anti-hackers, you recruit Ruddy, who has recently been found out, and Jake, who I think also used an aimbot? It seems a little contradictory. I'm not starting a flame or anything, I just don't see the argument when your clan recruits known cheaters.
And also, where's the ZoogooZ vid?
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Its a joke Taco becuase its was about xsv not e3rrt vs xb vs rust untill someone split it. Truth
LOl "especially GT" you ment "GT...and e3rrt servers" How do you think I met Ganja? Truth
Digi, You never act like an ass mostly? Well perhaps had any class to your sportmanship than perhaps I would have nothing to talk about. Truth
Cheating = Bad sportmanship . Opinion.
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eeEEeerrRrrrrtTTtt servers, as you so moronicly like to call them, clearly had ganja banned for life once he was caught. We are the only server that took action against him.
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Moronic or mockingly? Get it right kiddo. Moronic would have looked like your spelling.
Still does not excuse the fact he was allowed to play so long. On either server. But thats the past, I dont live in it. Fact is GT has been and is banning people from the servers for cheating, which in my book is just as bad as playing against a poor sport.
Jitspoe,
I never said your not trying, I just dont understand why more have not been caught. Also if you cant catch them, no one should be able to point thier finger and say guilty. No one is 100% correct all the time. There is an old saying that goes for any community. Its far better to let a 99 guilty men go free then to convict 1 innocent man. This goes back to what Bain was saying about trusting the people you play against.
Everyone, why are you matching against someone you dont trust?
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Playah - Get your story straight, idiot. Our topic says that because now that xb beat us, they said they're never matching us again.
lol @ "an opponent of yours hacking"
Who have I ever accused of hacking before this?
Clipz? Yeah. and my demos exposed his blatant wallhack.
No one else.
-Your topic also showed everyone that they´d be noobs, only because of their win.
-Didnt you accuse UniBoNGeR of hacking? (I think you accused him of hacking during a close match or too close match for your definitions)
...but zoo diddn't have the best score on his team.. that was oddjob (and no one accused him of anything).
-I´ve gotta correct myself. Forget that with !ZoogooZ perhaps had the highest score", my fault. I should have said he surely did some important kills (grabpoints/ cappoints - what is way more important than to be the High-scorer) --> Making you lose.
- Somewhere Digi said that xB is the only clan who has said to them that they are jackasses during matches. Thats not true. Dop and Memi (i think) have said such things to them because you really comment many deaths with "lmao" "rofl", etc. As for ignoring you (/ignore <number>) during matchesa: What if all of you begin to make such comments during one match (which has happened also), should we ignore you all? No communication?! Thats not the best idea. Im pretty sure there are/have been many other clans complaining about eR33t´s mm2/behaviour during matches.
PS: What about Sanchez´ post? It deserves a reply.
PPS: I hope you read my whole post before responding to it. Thanks. :)
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-Didnt you accuse UniBoNGeR of hacking?
^ lmfao. that was dt. uni is awful.
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I just saw your 'PPS', and I'd like to add that I read about 2 lines of your post.
Just like loial's. I didn't even glance at it. lmao. Doesn't matter though, he'll still write a 2 paragraph response about me and how much he wants my rooster down his throat. Have at it loial, I wont read that one either. My brain has suffered enough reading your posts within the last few months. It's time for a break. eRrRrrrTtttttzzzz OuT.
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Just like jitspoe, anything commited before the global ban list is forgiven. For Jake, he aimbotted once probably 4-5 years ago. Same goes for him. I didn't respond because I found it to be a useless post with self-evident answers.
I accused uni of wallhacking then reviewed his demo and saw that he wasn't. I then accused him of using hacked models.The match itself, we won, and it wasn't that close.
Again, completely irrelevent to this thread, would be great if you people stayed on topic.
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One thing you newer players need to realize is, 'Er33t' mocks what they dont understand, good sportsmanship.
Nice idiotic double post Digibonger, there is a modify button. Dont be afraid to use it, I wont make fun of you.
*Shakes head and walks away wtih a satisfied stiffy, thanks Digi you are good for something. :)
Edit DT,
I then accused him of using hacked models.
Is this the same sort of accusation that Sandman was said to have complained about?
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Digi your lame kid. You will never change you will continue to G talk excrement behind your computer were you cant be found. On the whole zoogooz thing. I Don't think he would have a reason to hack, hes already proved that his clan was better.
For the whole RR, iP thing... you guys never beat them more then twice. I always remember being at exorcist, venoms house with chaos and watching you guys get raped over and over.
As for the uni topic leave him alone you guys need to grow the intercourse up. Get a life. Digi, taco ever think of a break get off the computer and get a life. Never mind that will never happen, Your glued to your chair.
One last time.. stop bringing up my name.
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<Clipz> i wasted 8 yrs of my life playing dp
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Jake was also banned for a set amount of time. (Think it was a month or something)
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No loial, sandman accused eR33t of using hacked hitboxes, not hacked models.
Clipz if you could please take a look at, and repond to http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2035.0 that would be great.
Now lets try to keep this thread on topic.
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Well it was about a hackusation Mr. smarty pants. But, thanks for the answer. I guess Sandman was aproxmently correct.
I wonder what percentage of digi's life has been spent talking excrement, to people he does not even consider equal?. 80-90% I think thats what clipz ment in 'get a life'. I will post that here http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2035.0. Thanks for the new flame thread. Jesus.
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Not entirely sure what that means, I'm not even sure if its possible to approximately correct on someone hacking.
With what I think it means, i'd respond by saying we had some proof, just not definitive proof. Basically a demo of him hitting me a spot thats very hard to see and .jpg's he'd posted of different 'wolf' models he's made. Whereas sandman didn't have anything, but again, none of this has anything to do with this thread.
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Its possible if your approxamating the problem to the newbian who does not process information like you. :)
Proof or no proof. It does matter you both were wrong. Or were you? Any how both are 'Hackusations'
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Its all propaganda. Zoogooz doesnt hack. Its just like when crazed was in iP. RR seemed to think he used a speed hack...I think they even made up a hack in they're mind called an acceleration something or rather hack...
I dunno, just funny to me. How come nobody ever pointed out acid, or borgus?
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hey i have a great idea, lets ban everyone who can get a positive score in a match and/or sometimes get a lucky shot and make it look like they're hacking! then we can cry about it on the forums!
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Me first.
Where would you like me to start?
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I didn't even glance at it.
I bet you read it but you dont want to reply to it since you cant say its a lie.
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Loial, you tend to unintentionally turn threads into flame fests... learn to express your opinion more efficiently, because -- allthough it's pretty funny at first, it gets to the point where it's just flat out annoying.These kind of discussions tend to degenerate into useless rambling anyway, no need to further the cause. I'm not even involved in the conversation, just reading threw.. and almost every one of your comments annoys me. They're just wasting everyone's time reading/interpreting. If you don't have something valuable to contribute, then don't.. enough with all the made up words and disneyland-slang #^$%. Especially in a realm like this, where you clearly have very little objective opinion in the matter.
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lmao btw I was actually accused of cheating by dirtytaco..... playah =)
well since my name was brought up in this thread.
it was perty funny thing too. dirtytaco accused me of cheating. i made fun of him for it. and he started a crusade of hatred towards me. its really pathetic that dirtytaco errr... dogPOOP-taco(his first name on this game)after the hacusations made a map (cant say its a personal insult by dirtytaco. because it says er33t on the map, don't understand why dirtytaco says its a personal insult to me. specially when his names not on it,(most likely he is to scared))
after dirtytaco accused of cheating
he keept on saying things like i never accused u of wall hacking... funny thing is i never said wall hack once. i always said cheat. "could this be subconcions thoughts most likely," but i could care less about it. the fact of the mater is. i was accused of cheating by this lame person and he has been trying to harass me on irc. and the web (altering my pictures, with sexually explicit scenes) all cause er33t thinks i use modified models... and i will always use er33ts name and not dirtytacos name. cause he just a part of the problem. id really like to see er33t to improve their attitudes towards the rest of the community of dp. to me they might be good at the game. but there attitude just rips there skillz in game to a -3, worst clan on this game... ur hacusations are very amusing. hope this makes ur quote bot. the fact u would go threw all this dirtytaco just goes to show how much of a pathetic human being you really are. what really sad i saw s8n posting those pictures on irc as well. are u not like 40 years old s8n. if u have a problem with someone you go speak with that person you just don't go around spreading rumors, like...<DirtyTaco> I bet uni has sex with his wolfs!.... yeah dirtytaco funny if I never would of changed my name to warwulf you would be saying i bet uni has sex with bongs.... ur name is dogPOOP taco and dirtytaco... i could say soo much about that mr peirce lamb..... but being the greater human. i can just laugh at all ur lil attempts to annoy me. keep up the good work. glad my name was brought up in this topic.
dirtytacos sword and wolf jokes are the greatest ever.
skater and smokey sure love talking to me about it on irc.. i love to be soo popular.
btw the wolf models i used for quake2 are available for download here. funny er33t thinks i made them. thats just soo funny lmao. *blushes*
http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/downloads/index.asp?model=376
whats really funny about you guys saying i use these wolf models to have some sort of advantage. funny thing is i only use them for quake2, but lets have jitspoe take a look at those models. and let him be the judge if im using them for some sort of advantage... btw jitspoe knows i have no clue how to save md2 models formats. (thnx jitspoe for exporting my wolf model for abbey(very much appreciated)) *HURRY AND ADD TEAM DEATHMATCH soo i can finally release it*
sad promised me tdm would be available,right before i started working on abbey. and that was the actual thing that motivated me to create it.
HACK THE PLANET
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My god, I read about 3 sentences of that and then I was totally confused.
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I bet you read it but you dont want to reply to it since you cant say its a lie.
No WaI i WuZ FigoOreD oUt.
Nah I really didn't read it.
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My god, I read about 3 sentences of that and then I was totally confused.
LOL I didnt even bother. 1 sentence is bad enough on irc.
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I bet you read it but you dont want to reply to it since you cant say its a lie.
No WaI i WuZ FigoOreD oUt.
Nah I really didn't read it.
Perhaps ... But it still shows the truth.
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-Didnt you accuse UniBoNGeR of hacking?
^ lmfao. that was dt. uni is awful.
yeah hes never acused me of cheating ever.....
you can say what you want but me and you know the truth .... soo think about it for a while and truly let it sink in.... <edited for jitspoe> =]
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Quit with the childish insults, and use a spell checker. You're just as guilty as the person you accuse.
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zoogooz is such a stud. I hope he joins hateclan.
Quit with the unnecessary interruptions, and go get a female. Uni isn't guilty of accusing anyone of hacking.
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jitspoe how about checking out the models that i posted. I want to hear what u have to say about them. if u think they are in anyway able to give me some sort of edge on everyone else... those models are what dirtytaco is accusing me of cheating with... even though i have never used them in a pub server for dp
i have used them on many quake2 clan matchs for q2dm instagib.
but never once thought of them giving me some sort of advantage. soo go look at them.
i can understand your feelings on the childish insults, but you allways say to keep stuff on topic.. no where in this thread did i acuse anyone of hacking. if anything i expressed what has happend to me after er33t acused me of cheating. since i was involved in this thread in a few post i thought it would be approprate for me to respond with what i did. i stated what i was being acused of and a way to resolve the problem by providing you with the nessessary things to provide you proof if i really would have some sort of advantage over everyone else.
soo quickly respond soo everyone else can know what i allready do , if anything they give u a disadvantage in dp.
the video of zoogooz to me looks like hes having a good day. mabbe the reason he got blitz that one time is cause he plays pub and newbs always stay still.
zoogooz You can use "HATECLAN" name if want but make sure u spell it all caps like its written here..
btw rez and zoogooz im jelious of u both for having demos of hacusations. everyone allways acuses me but never provides any evidence =/ *mutters* basterds *end mutters*
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what really sad i saw s8n posting those pictures on irc as well. are u not like 40 years old s8n. if u have a problem with someone you go speak with that person you just don't go around spreading rumors
The pics are funny man.
No sense of humor...lol
I'll be back on editing and piecing together the zoogooz vid Monday.
Probably all have blown over by then anyways.
Will it be 100% conclusive? Dunno, we'll have to see.
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Uni: everything i have done to you you have done back to me. I made a map that involved a scene with a few assorted brushes making fun of you. You made a map with a scene depicting not only bob and in a similair manner, but also my girl friend. You turned our picutres into textures for your little tirade. Pretty funny if you ask me. After smokey made me a quote bot, you made one too. Wow you really are a 'greater human bein' or wait i thought you meant 'a greater human bean' hmm actually I'm pretty sure it's spelled 'being,' good luck with that one next time. Like jitspoe said, whatever you think I'm guilty of in 'harassing you' you are just as guilty of in 'harassing me.'
And about the models, i know that retarded wolf model doesn't really give you an advantage. What that shows is that you're capable of editing and or modifying models and using them in the game since you've done it before.
Anyways, jitspoe should split this topic so we can keep it on the issue in question and various idiots can't make it digress.
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I'm not going to bother looking at the models right now because, a) I'm at my parent's house, using their computer, and b) Isn't that long past history now? I recall seeing a screenshot of the wolf model years ago. Can't you let it go? People get accused of cheating all the time in this (and pretty much any FPS) game, even me. Digi seemed to express that he didn't think you hacked, in his own rude way, yet you're both still slinging mud at each other. That's what you're guilty of. I don't care who started it. We're not in kindergarten anymore. You may have been kids when this all started, but you're adults now. Act like it.
Also, c) whether or not you used some quake2 wolf models and they gave you any kind of advantage has absolutely no bearing on the case with zoogooz. If you want to contribute to this discussion, review the demo and comment on whether or not you think it is sufficient evidence to prove zoogooz was wallhacking, otherwise do as rez suggested and "quit with the unnecessary interruptions."
S8N: I guess I have no sense of humor, then, because I don't think photoshopping people's faces on homosexual porn is funny.
Back on topic: I reviewed the demo both with and without a wallhack (this was one of the wallhacks sent to me so I could add detection for it, if anybody is wondering). There were some questionable spots, and even a part that I thought was a dead giveaway with the wallhack on, until I compared it with the wallhack off and realized that he had view of the players before shooting at them. A video showing scenes like this solely with the wallhack enabled could be misguiding.
I think the critical problem with this demo is that there's so little of it from ZoogooZ's perspective. Making a video with just a couple of questionable clips in it doesn't really prove anything. We all do things that could be interpreted as a wallhack. Sometimes it's just blind luck. Most of the time it's based on experience with the map and understanding where players will typically be located.
Even some parts of the demo from DirtyTaco's perspective could be used as "evidence" that DirtyTaco was using a wallhack. Please don't take this to mean I'm accusing DirtyTaco of wallhacking. He wasn't, but you could take the scene, for example, where he throws a grenade directly at somebody on the other side of the wall, and then starts shooting at that person on the other side of the wall. At least, that's what it looks like with the wallhack on. With it off, you see that DirtyTaco was aware of somebody on the other side of the wall from spray and whatnot, and fell back and sprayed the stairs in case the person decided to chase after him. It just so happened that the person did not chase after him, but instead happened to position himself directly in DirtyTaco's line of spray on the other side of the wall.
I guess my whole point in all this is that if you have preconceptions that somebody is (or isn't) cheating, you can come up with explanations and select just the portions that support your claim and ignore the rest. If I'm going to err, I'd prefer to err on the side of innocence. I've already wrongly accused and banned one innocent player, and I don't want to do it again.
Also, I can't stress the importance of recording demos during matches. There were 8 people playing, and there's only one demo which included less than half of the match? If there were more, perhaps we could come to some kind of conclusion. I heard somebody say he was cheating much more blatantly on midnight. Where's your proof? Er33t should know better than anybody that unsupported cheating accusations are a major annoyance in this community.
I'd be curious to see some match demos from ZoogooZ's perspective, even if they aren't from this match. I'd just like to see how he plays. Also, everybody should update to build 16 if they haven't already, as that should at least reduce the possibility of using known cheats.
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Your points about demos being construed as someone wallhacking is valid. However I think it can be objected too. Yes, theres not much footage of zoogooz, but i don't think theres one continuous shot of him in the demo that can be better explained without an appeal to a wallhack. Whereas, if you analyze the bits of me for a wallhack, theres many instances where it would be impossible to say i was wallhacking besides 'oh hes trying to hide it' (an example being when pone is camping right behind the wall from the tunnel and i drop right in front of him). I don't think this is possible with any of the shots of zoogooz except the one where he jumps directly into a stream (but this is because he missed a double jump which he thought would boost him over it).
Whether you decide to globally ban him with s8n's video as evidence or not, I didn't really think you ever would given all the old schoolers that disagree. However, I am certain that he won't wallhack again against us, and i hope he wont do it against anyone else, either way, we will have a hawk eye on him.
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I dunno bout anyone else...but to me it seems like you guys are fighting over the internet. It's a little stupid when you are fighting/arguing with each other like children over the internet. GET OVER IT.
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There hasn't been any fighting over the main topic in this thread. There wouldn't have ever been any fighting if loial21, clipz, or uni hadn't posted. Unfortunately they did. Aside from those posts, this thread seems like an open discussion of ideas back and forth between parties that disagree. Maybe you didn't take the time to read some of the longer posts, but those seem to capture what I'm talking about.
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gyro: thats a big statement coming from someone who calles me a loser behind my back and trys to act all nice in front of me.... *thumbs up*
honestly dirtytaco do you have to put ur 2 cents???
my long post had actually something to do with this thread and thats what er33t does to people they accused of cheating..... their straight up lewdness towards the rest of the community. and i obviously added in what i was being accused of.
obviously you didn't take the time to read my post....
as 2 people have already posted.
keep on subject mr lamb.......
i really cant wait to see what the video is going to show with a wall hack on. because i cant use one to watch the demo because of build16..
i honestly think zoogooz just was having a lucky day. i get those every so often where i can just spray out of no where at corners and people will come out right at that moment. (mostly done with pgp) and also just jumping around corners already knowing where they will be.
why does er33t always whine about cheaters when they loose a match or get shot from somewhere unexpectedly(grow up)???? thats what i really would love to know.... then mr lamb thinks he can just give us his bogus theory and want the general public to believe him. you remind me of those trailer park retarded kid who wants to grow up to be a police officer. Mr doofy. are u this many years old *flashes hands*
i think this thread should be deleted. and these hacusations should just stop. zoogooz has been playing for as long as the rest of us. 9 years ..... Thats quite a lot of experience if u ask me.
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and use a spell checker.
If you're so concerned with uni spelling correctly then get your pos checker to work.
dt needs to stop unsubstantially accusing people of hacking. Also dt, you should write up one of your guides on how to post a demo. I know you don't like newbs asking questions, but I am computer illiterate (uni knows too well). I have some interesting demos (one which includes you), but don't know how to post them.
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Too bad, maybe you should go read a fuc.king manual.
The only other time we've accused someone of hacking after we lost was TnL. Two weeks later, we proved that the accused person was hacking. When we accused you of using hacked models we had just finished pummeling you. Accusing zoogooz of hacking has nothing to do with losing, and if you'd read my first post, you'd know that.
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Quit with the childish insults. You're just as guilty as the person you accuse.
u know jitspoe, people who alter the text to bypass cussing filter should be banned from ur forums.... i am offended by it..... =)
dirtytaco - When we accused you of using hacked models we had just finished pummeling you
umm u beat us like 2 to 0 or somewhere close to that on castle1, because u camped the whole map...... to be completely lame... wow that sure is some pummeling... *2 thumbs up* You were alive for 30 seconds that whole match. i was alive at least 18 minutes straight. don't take credit for blitz`s skill.
you got pummeled and then stright up called me a wall hacker in mm2... you realy are one sick sad puppy.....
i dont understand why you would bring this up after jitspoe just told us to drop it.... but for some reason you want to egg it on...... you realy are one sick sad sad oh soo sad puppy...
http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2047.0
go here to contiune our topic.....
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GT was mentioned several times in a negetive manor before I posted any retorts.
What did GT have to do with zoogoo hacking. Was it on our server? If so, was it reported to us? Derrek is doing a stand up job, bringing GT into this thread is irresponsible and inflamatory.
Perhaps if some in e3rrt and thier clones had enough class to make a point without being negitive and degrading in every sentence, you would have a lot less off topic posters. Something you, Jitspoe and all of us are asking for.
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Let's try to continue this discussion in a civilized and on-topic manner here: http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2048.0