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Development => Bugs, Feature Requests, and Feedback => Topic started by: dedkok on September 26, 2010, 12:22:29 PM
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Hoping this is the right place to post this...
In the clans section for DP login, I'm positive that 90% if not more of those clans are "inactive" so I think everyone would appreciate having a separate section that they could be put into for an example if none of the members of a clan have logged in for a month then they get moved into the inactive section not to pollute the clans list.
I think everyone would like to see what clans are active these days and there is really no way to tell but I think that would be a perfect way to show everyone which clans are active as well as how many members and who's in them.
Otherwise in all honesty that list shows nothing but how many members can a clan get even though none of them actually play.
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+1 .. dp really need it.. +1 inactive players too
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Maybe could be also good to see the last connection to dplogin.com (the last time the player played) in the member's details.
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Maybe could be also good to see the last connection to dplogin.com (the last time the player played) in the member's details.
jitspoe has stated he doesn't want this because then he'll get people saying "This player last logged in 3 years ago so can I have his name" same for clans, too.
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jitspoe has stated he doesn't want this because then he'll get people saying "This player last logged in 3 years ago so can I have his name" same for clans, too.
Ah that's right. Sry I forgot.
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Ah that's right. Sry I forgot.
Auto delete? It's more complicate?
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Auto delete? It's more complicate?
Nope, because if those players come back, they'll be wanting their name back from the player who stole it. Which means more work for the committee, for jitspoe and it's just unnecessary really.
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Nope, because if those players come back, they'll be wanting their name back from the player who stole it. Which means more work for the committee, for jitspoe and it's just unnecessary really.
If the timelimit is say 6 months inactive and the account is deleted, then people who haven't logged on in 6 months do not deserve to keep their accounts. You shouldn't hold a player name / clan name if you don't even play the game.
Now to this thread - I don't figure it'd be that hard to be able to sort based off who actually does play and who doesn't. Again - I'm for if a team has been dead for 'x' length it should be removed. It would clear up alot of tags for new teams and if the team is so good that you don't want people to have the chance of copying it, then don't let it die?
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MyeRs +1 .. I think too
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I don't play very often, but I don't want to come back one day and have my names deleted. Some people actually have things to do in their lives and don't think about coming on here to "renew" their accounts.
-1 for me.
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Account freeze option, when the account exist over a period of time
status inactive, but not be erased
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I don't play very often, but I don't want to come back one day and have my names deleted. Some people actually have things to do in their lives and don't think about coming on here to "renew" their accounts.
-1 for me.
My intention was not to have people's account's deleted Spook, just let you know who's still playing and what clans are actually active.
Although it is a good idea to have an expiry on account but 6 months is too short, I'd be thinking more like a couple years with a automated warning e-mail being sent before the deadline is up.
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I say we have a fresh start. All clans deleted and all player names deleted. Then we have a free-for-all with whoever can get what they want!
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My intention was not to have people's account's deleted Spook, just let you know who's still playing and what clans are actually active.
Although it is a good idea to have an expiry on account but 6 months is too short, I'd be thinking more like a couple years with a automated warning e-mail being sent before the deadline is up.
Good idea, but it's upto jitspoe - he might feel it's more unnecessary work..
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6 months is ok imo.. It would be the same as in quakelive - it sends you autoemail a month before the expiration date?
I say we have a fresh start. All clans deleted and all player names deleted. Then we have a free-for-all with whoever can get what they want!
Name and clan spoofing..
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*Bump*
This as well...
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There are currently ~11k clans, I think. There are ~48k possible combinations of one, two and three letter unique clan tags. This sounds big at first.
While it is not required, a lot of clans seem to prefer clan tags of 3 characters or less. Numbers are not that common in the tags - if we only use alphabetical characters, the possible tag space falls to ~18k possible unique tags. Of course, not all of these tags are likely to get used, for example "qqq" or "hzg" or any number of other tags. Given this, it seems that already at least half of the 'usable' tags have been allocated, even adjusting for the current clans with longer tags.
If there isn't some kind of purge/expiry period, clans will have to start picking a tag and then choosing a name. It's not the end of the world, but it's not great, especially when the taken tag in question is an empty clan which was previously full of inactive pubstars.
Anyway, not sure where I'm going with this. PURGE THE CLANS
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You're smart.
ViciouZ for British king! (cuz murrica!)
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Clans that are inactive for what, 3 months?, get tagged with 'inactive'. Once a clan is tagged with this, you're able to request Jitspoe to remove it. (Or whoever would be in charge?).
Maybe?
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I wouldn't want it to request for jitspoes removal, I think it should just automatically do it, And then that team would have to request to get it back if they decided to come back (I don't see this as something that would be a common occurrence).
But this isn't for inactive clans in a sense. My view is that if a clan does not have any members currently, it should be moved to an inactive list, and the tags be removed.
This inactive list would show that teams info, but lets say someone took the same tag or same team name, the new teams info page would have a new members list and so on.
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It's not only just clans that have noone in them though. It's also new people who create clans and then become inactive and sit by themselves in it, or maybe as a duo or something. So, you have to draw a line somewhere for that, and also then time frame as well. Also, you could base it off how many previous members there are. Theres a larger chance of someone wanting to go back to an old clan and wanting it again (could generate complaints). So yeah, lots of factors from what I'm seeing.
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Maybe some sort of verification every six months, the leader(s) of the clan are sent a message in-game or by email or something telling them to "renew" there clan, if they don't play they won't answer and we will know that the clan is inactive if they do then all is good, eventually inactive clans would be phased out.
Maybe give them like a fortnight to answer the warning.
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It's not only just clans that have noone in them though. It's also new people who create clans and then become inactive and sit by themselves in it, or maybe as a duo or something. So, you have to draw a line somewhere for that, and also then time frame as well. Also, you could base it off how many previous members there are. Theres a larger chance of someone wanting to go back to an old clan and wanting it again (could generate complaints). So yeah, lots of factors from what I'm seeing.
This would make it so that jitspoe has to interfere. Prove that someone hasn't played in X amount of days. You can't, Jitspoe can. The only way this is getting implemented is if Jitspoe doesn't have to do anything other than create the code.
And again, I don't see how old clans coming back has a larger chance. No one plays this game, No clans are being created by old players, and if someone wants to recreate an old clan, then they better had been the original creator of it.
Omni: I hate that idea just based on the fact that it's annoying. One 6 month period of no players in the clan should warrant a removal of the clan, period. Forget about innactive people since there is nothing YOU can do about that.
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that's just gunna cause people making multi accounts just to throw idlers in their favorite clans.....personally i would want some of my clans removed then sone day some random taking it.
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I'm kind of looking at it this way:
Do we want current/future players happy?
OR
Do we want past players happy?
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Or do we want the Dude happy?
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I highly doubt a new team would take the same team name, it would be the tag. And if what i proposed goes through, the old teams info and score and member list would still be there even after a new clan takes a tag.
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And again, I don't see how old clans coming back has a larger chance.
The fact that it might have had a more of a 'name', and just the general fact that there are more people that can potentially become a leader of it again, rather than 1 or 2. It's a small factor, but should still count.This would make it so that jitspoe has to interfere. Prove that someone hasn't played in X amount of days. You can't, Jitspoe can. The only way this is getting implemented is if Jitspoe doesn't have to do anything other than create the code.
The whole thing is going to be based off code, but why not add some weights that also offset this 6 months only for other factors like I listed. If it saves some complaints later on, can't see why its a bad thing.
I highly doubt a new team would take the same team name, it would be the tag. And if what i proposed goes through, the old teams info and score and member list would still be there even after a new clan takes a tag.
So you're suggesting a seperate section for clans whose tags that have been taken? So then, can those clans be used or not? See, its just not as simple as 6 months.
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So then, can those clans be used or not?
I'm confused by what you're asking.
Can an inactive clan's tag be used?: Yes, That's the point.
Can an inactive clan get their tag back from a living clan?: No, Unless they request it from the team, or jitspoe, But I suspect it will be: if it's been taken by a living clan, then you're SOL. And of course, if the tag stealers' clan goes inactive, you could take it back.
People are more worried about their members lists getting messed. Their clan would still have it's own page so that they can remember their glory. Basically, their old team would be untainted; they just wouldn't be able to recreate the clan with that same tag.
Maybe their profile would be tagged as 'inactive'?
Maybe on their profile (if their tag is taken) there would be an option to chose a new tag?
I will also say again, I think that if we give the ultimate deciding power to Jitspoe, he won't like the fact that it's one more thing he has to look in to on top of other things associated with this game. I don't know if his forum minions would be able to make these decisions (I don't see why not) But this warrants that someone actually checks the forums for requests pretty often. Using a set time limit removes all of this.
Also, I think I might adopt omni's email certification idea for checking if a clan is inactive; However only if there are 2 or less people in the clan after the X amount of days.
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I would prefer to delete all empty clans and remove the "former clans" function. For me the only important thing about the DPLogin are the protected registered nicknames and tags of active clans. People who like a clan really much and want to present it on their profile.. shouldn't leave it.
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I can agree with that.
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Their clan would still have it's own page so that they can remember their glory. Basically, their old team would be untainted; they just wouldn't be able to recreate the clan with that same tag.
That was what I was asking. If a clans tag was taken, would someone still be able to join that clan and have to use a different tag. You're using the term 'recreate' which to me is implying that you're saying that the clan whose tag is taken unable to be used and has pretty much been deleted or is inaccessible to anyone to join (hence their own page to remember their glory), and if they want the name they recreate a clan with a different name.
Can an inactive clan's tag be used?: Yes, That's the point.
Can an inactive clan get their tag back from a living clan?: No, Unless they request it from the team, or jitspoe, But I suspect it will be: if it's been taken by a living clan, then you're SOL. And of course, if the tag stealers' clan goes inactive, you could take it back.
Yes I agree with that, I just don't agree with the 6 months being the only factor that is taken into account.
Also, I think I might adopt omni's email certification idea for checking if a clan is inactive
I do agree with this (but not restricted to the number of members, it could be inactive with 5-6 people in it, and it can't hurt to send an email), but in this case since its verification and not just taking straight away, I'll agree with a specific time frame being sufficient. But, its going to rely on anyone, not just jitspoe, to be able to remove a clans tag and effectively give it to another clan that is about to be created, because currently we can't do that.
Also, what are you justifying a clan as being inactive as?
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But think of all the clans that have 5 people in it that ARE active. Why should their account be deleted just because the leader didn't check his email.
One fix to this is if there is a pop up client side while in game that just asks for them to accept.
I don't know if it's possible for jitspoe to make it so that it can be detected if the clan tag is worn? or if a player in the clan is actively playing?
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But think of all the clans that have 5 people in it that ARE active. Why should their account be deleted just because the leader didn't check his email.
Ah I didn't finish. I was meant to add that, if the leader says its fine, then you're set. If not, the weight of having 5 people (either active or inactive) in the clan should then kick in and not allow the removal of the tag.
One fix to this is if there is a pop up client side while in game that just asks for them to accept.
Could work, but for this and above, consideration has to be taken for all leaders. One may be a leader but the other may be the 'owner' or something.
I don't know if it's possible for jitspoe to make it so that it can be detected if the clan tag is worn? or if a player in the clan is actively playing?
There's logs for when someone uses their DPLogin account, not sure about clan tags.
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This is sort of tied to this feature vote: http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10229
I was thinking of doing some sort of "Clan Archive" system. It's certainly feasible to move all of the data relating to a clan to some sort of archive database. It gets a bit more complicated, though, if people want to bring it back. Say something like [cP] got archived, then some other clan was created with the [cp] tag. It would be impossible to bring back the original Prozak because it would conflict with the new [cp] tag. Also, what happens when old, popular clans get archived? I'm sure people would want to grab tags like eR33t, etc.
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Maybe a prestige status for clans like cP, er33t, DaRk, ... ?
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Maybe a prestige status for clans like cP, er33t, DaRk, ... ?
Maybe, but what qualifies a clan for that status?
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Maybe, but what qualifies a clan for that status?
Committee votes?
Time?
Players?
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Maybe a prestige status for clans like cP, er33t, DaRk, ... ?
and What The___? >o.O<
Maybe, but what qualifies a clan for that status?
winning the GGDPL? :)
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and What The___? >o.O<
Sure, just examples
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My point is that it couldn't really be an automated system because each clan would have to be reviewed for "prestige status" before being archived.
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Why not just keep their info page, but just reset their tag. you snooze you lose. I don't see why we are trying to be fair. As someone else previously stated. Don't leave a clan if you dont want someone to take the tag.
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That's the idea of the archive database. It would keep the info for historical purposes. What I'm worried about, though, is people abusing the system, and, as soon as a well-known clan goes inactive, deliberately taking the name and tag.
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My point is that it couldn't really be an automated system because each clan would have to be reviewed for "prestige status" before being archived.
Committee votes. I think thats a good idea.
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But we would know, because it wouldn't show on their team profile that its the REAL one. In what i proposed, the team gets their own page with their own info and members list. I think you agree as well.
Maybe just have a forced (1) or (2) at the end of any copied name. I still don't think the player base is big enough to be worrying about the new players who don't match stealing old clans that they never knew about.
And if you're worried about the 10 people who still match and clan hop all day, then don't, because, don't.
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i do agree their needs to be a clean up tho.
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i do agree their needs to be a clean up tho.
there.
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Im not saying that I disagree, im saying that it is kinda wrong we shouldnt have separate section, we should have delete option. Leaders of the clans should have the option Remove Clan when they are the last one in thier clan. Moderators could also have an option to "filter the clans". Wish u undrstand it
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Maybe this was an issue 3-5 years ago, but there's not a very high player to available clan name ratio now haha (and I doubt any players are going to come back because they can have better clan tags)
Please don't waste your time on this...