Digital Paint Discussion Board
Digital Paint Community => Clans, Matches, and Tournaments => Topic started by: JOE on June 09, 2006, 02:04:30 AM
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So I'm gonna say what I must, and will probubly catch a lot of crap from whom it applies to but i feel its worth a forum post. Enougg said, On to the topic at hand.
Recently,my team -ch1ll- matched -i- and lost (boo hoo) only after we find out that none other than DirtyTaco is playing for them using an alias (posing as swk). Now, this is only 1 example, but it's a well known fact that -i- has had other people (who are in current stable clans) play for them in matches. And I'm sure there has been many other clans doing the same thing. Now as we all know this isnt allowed in PBCup but people seem to think it's OK to do it for regular matches. well, its not, I'd hate to burst your bubble.
This really shows how sheltered, for lack of a better word, the DP community is. Some people call it 'Ringing' but anyone who's played another game knows ringing only applies in scrims, and if done in a match results in a forfit. Also, The majority of other games out there have ladders and leagues, Not just the randomness of popping into a channel and asking for a match.
Back on topic, would the community please learn some proper clanning ettiquette (sp??) and stop all this double clanning stuff.
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Dude.
*waves hand.
If all of this is not subject to proper clan ettiquette, than they that dont agreee need to move on.
Loi-yoda
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I don't see why you started another thread. There is clearly one on this matter already. As for "double clanning", not using members, etc. We used digi when we FIRST started. Digi has not played for us in a good 45-50 matches. DirtyTaco has played 3-4 times? That was the first time hes played a whole map. Usually he just specs.
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again, you try and justify your actions.
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As a clan noob I do not know much of the etiquette involved with matches but as far as I'm concerned seeing as there are no official rules regarding it people can do what they want outside of PBCup. You want it banned then set up something to set rules for it.
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Yeah there are no rules, but it is frouned upon in the clanning community.
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stable clans? wow eR33t isnt really stable and why would it matter? we murder u guys even when we dont use DT which by the way was only 4 times.
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You know, J0E, next time you get yourself all worked up and start making claims and misspelling words you should try providing things like proof or evidence to back up your claims. Where are the matching IP's? I don't see them.
Have you even read skaters post?
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I'm playing for CC.....
and I take showers/exercise
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stable clans? wow eR33t isnt really stable and why would it matter? we murder u guys even when we dont use DT which by the way was only 4 times.
Active for over 4 years qualifies as stable as far as I'm concerned. Any other clans that have been around that long seem to have gone through numerous revivals/recreations and have seen inconsistent rosters, however none of that applies to eR33t.
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1) ch1ll wasn't in pbcup
2) i didn't play for rust outside of pbcup
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I don't see why you started another thread. There is clearly one on this matter already. As for "double clanning", not using members, etc. We used digi when we FIRST started. Digi has not played for us in a good 45-50 matches. DirtyTaco has played 3-4 times? That was the first time hes played a whole map. Usually he just specs.
Again why are you using other clan members?
A couple of unresolved points.
1. If your own clan cant make it then the forfiet the match, its that simple. Or better yet dont challenge or accecpt a challenge untill you have the all clan members present. Can't you see the injustice? To your oppenet and to the community or you all simply dont care and act with impunity?. Which I belive is the root cause of this post.
2. If your team is not ready to match or is not fully staffed, dont go to other clans and ask for a pick up, that is dishonest for one. Secondly in a way its cheating. If you dont have the correct amount of players in any other game you would be asked to forfiet.
*edit just read tacos post, if this is true Doom on Herron!! He shuold know better.
*just read herron retort, what say you taco?
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2. If your team is not ready to match or is not fully staffed, dont go to other clans and ask for a pick up, that is dishonest for one. Secondly in a way its cheating. If you dont have the correct amount of players in any other game you would be asked to forfiet.
They had a couple subs.
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Sounds like only pb records should only count. This is due to the impunity an elite few hold dear and have no regard for truth nor fairness. Doom on you! Doom on you!
Subs who and when? Please advise.
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heh Wow, lots of peopel decided to post here. I'm glad i can cause such an uproar.
You know, J0E, next time you get yourself all worked up and start making claims and misspelling words you should try providing things like proof or evidence to back up your claims. Where are the matching IP's? I don't see them.
DT, Other than what skater said, I also have irc logs of you stating you played, i mean what else do i need?
Lekky, i like that whole "trying to justlify your actions" bit.
Furthermore, Insane requested that we use their server claiming ping isses, knowing that -ch1lll- checks all players IP's for every match.
Yeah there are no rules, but it is frouned upon in the clanning community.
Thats a nice way to put things, OJ. There are no set rules in clanning outside of leagues/ladders.
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Should there be a set of rules? something jitspoe designed around what clans generally do in matches? i am going to take ch1ll's side since every time we match they end up not having 1 real name.
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a set of rules wouldnt work because there's nobody to enforce them
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Once its the Global ban/login system is done. It will help more with alot more.
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Very nicely put e3rrt clan member / pbcup off / part time {I} . No colfict of interest there huh? If not then explain yourslef.
Really? How about a league of players that agree to play for a certain team for as long as a close to as a blood / faith / and a promised oath will allow. Once its the Global ban/login system is done. It will help more than you possibly imagine.
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I'd hate to say it but loial is right, by making a login system there are ways to assign players id numbers which can be viewed by all players in a server with or without a login.
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In cases like this you may call me Loi-yoda. But thanks anyhow.
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The only reason i'd ever play for a clan like insane is because the multitude of times things like this have happened:
<Lunatic> well digi asked me like 10 minutes ago <PBCup^J0E> well we have a chance against xb
....and: * You were kicked from #team_er33t by *insertonemembershere* (*insertonemembershere*) = kickban
Then later i sent a !scrim 3on3 and ruddy asked me if we wanna match them....
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LoL, Perfecto! Exactamundo! Senor la machismo.
My spelling still sucks. :(
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LOL you guys are funny and pathetic at the same time.
You can't regulate unorganized match play.
A global login will do absolutely nothing to moderate unorganized match play.
Any global login system that attempts to do so would be a joke, and a hair short of a dictatorship.
In pbcup, leagues, tournaments, and anything else "organized," sure, the global login will work fine.
Not for simple pub and casual, "unorganized" match play.
Is it right to jump in with another clan for whatever reason? Absolutely. It's a game...play away. You want to ensure you're playing with a set group of members play in an organized arena where players are checked. TWL has a great system for this.
Global login should ONLY ensure thatn the logged in person is who they claim to be. It should be up to the league/tournament/whoever to associate a player with a clan and make sure the right players are in sactioned matches.
Further more, the global login system should offer these leagues/tournament a unique GUID derived from various components of thier system that can be registered with the player, as part of a clan, on any league/tournament.
Pub is pub.
Unorganized matches are just what they sound like.
Quit crying because you are unknowingly being forced to play people that you run from on a daily basis.
Run to the mirror and discover yourself.
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jitspoe shouldn't be someone designated to generate and enforce rules within the clan community since he doesn't take part in the clan community.
My thoughts exactly.
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s8n I pitty you
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Taco,
Please dont discredit me in that way. You know nothing about me outside of this forum and playing against me in game. So respectfully please don’t post about something about me you know nothing about. The last clan match I played against we tied AB in pbcup. AS far as committing my self to 45 minutes of uninterrupted match play or however long it takes, yes it will be few and far between. I have a life that requires me to be not on the computer 24/7 waiting for someone to match, I have a job and a loving, demanding wife. Do I need to remind you again that this is not the only game I play or have played and clanned in, please don’t be so obtuse. I think your position on this is a little biased, since we are talking about people like yourself who plays with no regards to any honestly about who you are. "who plays for who", that’s about as on topic as one can get DT. I can say one thing about you that is nice. You tend not to use aliases as much as others, thank you :)
Again DP has one of the more disorganized set up for matches to the point that its pathetic, yet another reason I try to stay away from it until it gets the tools it needs to be a more honest and fun (good sportsmanship) environment. Until then have fun being a cowards. Other than not wanting others to know who you are, what possible advantage does this give you anyway?
AS s8n mentioned go look at your self in a mirror and stop using aliases, it is underhanded and not very honest nor fair to your opponent. Just the kind of people I like playing against (not) in public or matches, if you cant even be honest about who you are perhaps you have no business playing, This goes back to trusting people you play against, something that Bain mentioned. When you do crap like this you lose the communities trust for the most part. But its not as if you care about your opponents trust or respect, you are poor sport to begin with. Cry when you loose or stomp when you win. It is all the same, a lack of fundamental gaming morals. This was not directed at anyone person, just a general statement of how it sucks to play against this type of behavior.
The purpose of this topic was to call out people who clan hops under different aliases. Again just the kind of people I like to play against, NOT!!! Another reason not to match outside of an organized event. You can hardly find and honest clan anymore it seems like, or at least one that last long than year. For instance GT would have no problem matching against Rust, AB or even Chill if the time was preset like it was in pbcup.
AS far as crying about it, yes most clans in any game would S8n, so that is a little easier said then done, and you know this. I am also sure that there are those who don’t care about honesty and integrity in public play or "unofficial matches", I happen to. I was hoping you as well would agree but I will let your silence speak for yourself. I will even take this a step further and add that most gamers find it more enjoyable to know whom you are playing against. For instance, when you win. You would like to keep a record of whom you beat. Correct? I just find it cowardly to use aliases where as lets say agood percentage of e3rrt and Insane does not, the rest of us seem to disagree with these tactics. Again more actions with impunity is what we are dealing with, you guys simply don’t care about the honesty when it comes what name you use to play in public and unofficial matches, so what if you loose, it was not you to begin with, no big deal right? That is the only advantage of using a different alias that is not your own, that I can see. IF there are other more grand reasons why, please let me know.
A global login will help lower the chance of you playing against someone who likes to use 40 different aliases. That is all.
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Comparing paintball to a dictatorship is kind of dramatic.
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Just for the record, we have lost once when using DT so its not all about the record. you guys point out but i garuntee there are many other clans that use other members but won't say anything.
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This is starting to piss me off. All the stupid immature dicks need to grow up. If YOU want a fair and trustworthy system YOU have to make one. That means primarily making sure YOU follow correct procedure and ethics. Don't blame YOUR poor gamesmanship on others.
Any responses to this post along the lines of "you are a newbie so shut up", "don't act like a pro cos you're not", "shut up and die" "LoL" "0RLy" are noot needed here.
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I agree with S8N.
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Lekky the thing is, there aren't officially set rules unless its PBCup, that's the point.
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Taco,
Please dont discredit me in that way. You know nothing about me outside of this forum and playing against me in game. So respectfully please don’t post about something about me you know nothing about. The last clan match I played against we tied AB in pbcup. AS far as committing my self to 45 minutes of uninterrupted match play or however long it takes, yes it will be few and far between. I have a life that requires me to be not on the computer 24/7 waiting for someone to match, I have a job and a loving, demanding wife. Do I need to remind you again that this is not the only game I play or have played and clanned in, please don’t be so obtuse. I think your position on this is a little biased, since we are talking about people like yourself who plays with no regards to any honestly about who you are. "who plays for who", that’s about as on topic as one can get DT. I can say one thing about you that is nice. You tend not to use aliases as much as others, thank you Smiley
Again DP has one of the more disorganized set up for matches to the point that its pathetic, yet another reason I try to stay away from it until it gets the tools it needs to be a more honest and fun (good sportsmanship) environment. Until then have fun being a cowards. Other than not wanting others to know who you are, what possible advantage does this give you anyway?
AS s8n mentioned go look at your self in a mirror and stop using aliases, it is underhanded and not very honest nor fair to your opponent. Just the kind of people I like playing against (not) in public or matches, if you cant even be honest about who you are perhaps you have no business playing, This goes back to trusting people you play against, something that Bain mentioned. When you do crap like this you lose the communities trust for the most part. But its not as if you care about your opponents trust or respect, you are poor sport to begin with. Cry when you loose or stomp when you win. It is all the same, a lack of fundamental gaming morals. This was not directed at anyone person, just a general statement of how it sucks to play against this type of behavior.
The purpose of this topic was to call out people who clan hops under different aliases. Again just the kind of people I like to play against, NOT!!! Another reason not to match outside of an organized event. You can hardly find and honest clan anymore it seems like, or at least one that last long than year. For instance GT would have no problem matching against Rust, AB or even Chill if the time was preset like it was in pbcup.
AS far as crying about it, yes most clans in any game would S8n, so that is a little easier said then done, and you know this. I am also sure that there are those who don’t care about honesty and integrity in public play or "unofficial matches", I happen to. I was hoping you as well would agree but I will let your silence speak for yourself. I will even take this a step further and add that most gamers find it more enjoyable to know whom you are playing against. For instance, when you win. You would like to keep a record of whom you beat. Correct? I just find it cowardly to use aliases where as lets say agood percentage of e3rrt and Insane does not, the rest of us seem to disagree with these tactics. Again more actions with impunity is what we are dealing with, you guys simply don’t care about the honesty when it comes what name you use to play in public and unofficial matches, so what if you loose, it was not you to begin with, no big deal right? That is the only advantage of using a different alias that is not your own, that I can see. IF there are other more grand reasons why, please let me know.
A global login will help lower the chance of you playing against someone who likes to use 40 different aliases. That is all.
thats like calling him fat, or open minded. lol please remember obtuse is greater that 90.
on a better note, i have a 300$ php system that i OWN(yes paid for) that could easily be used to dp. if any clans would use this, it would be awsome.
features:
Can create a clan
Can invite people to join
Can challange clans
Can accept/deny wins( to prevent fake wins)
Full admin interface includes;
Editing players,clans and ladders.
Deleteing players,clans,and ladders.
Creating players,clans and ladders
www.arena-zone.com is the system all setup.
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It's all about the context. ;)
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but i garuntee there are many other clans that use other members but won't say anything.
Then call them out Boomer! Also its not really a clan match if you are not using your own roster, right? Its more of a pick up game, with that in mind I hope these matches are not being counted as a "clan win". *Shakes head.
Just read smokey's post
Congradulations, this is the first helpful post from your in a long time. GJ.
Smoke my point was that his opinion of me goes beond his actual knowledge of me. Obtuse can also be defined as "Lacking in insight or discernment". Sigh. I am sure you know this.
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rofl @ quotes.
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IF you choose to ignore my points, which you are choosing to do, dear taco, by proxy of your first statement. 'I' Loial have clearly asked several direct questions via the forum. Not one question have you answered but ridiculed. Being a coward by using more than one name. What rebut do you or anyone have for doing this?
Lastly on this what makes you think I don’t know "anything" not "nothing" about the a regular clanning scene whither its this game or that? What proof do you have?
If you can not answer these with out proof then don’t try to discredit my questions by virtue of a unfounded statement. Explain my absurdity if you can. Since you know everything about me. I dare you.
The only examples you have as of yet, has absolutely nothing to do with me or my problem with cowards hiding their name and or clan activity.
Again you discredit something you have no proof of (zoo / Uni) and my main point is don’t be a coward and please use one name, simple enough as I am sure we can all agree. Should be a standard for clan matching.
Well, loial, the only reason I would double clan is because 90% of the time clans (including yours) refuse to match eR33t
Again you berate and call us out becuase we have lifes to live? Any clan leader in any game will agree with me on this, family and personal life responsibilities are more important than anything we do. Here.
Not once did was my name mentioned in those quotes.
Lastly,
Don’t bring bravado in to this. That is a cowards way out. Please, talk to me and don’t just do what others said and many others here are sick of. Please avoid discounting people, out of personal ignorance and self-assumptions of someone.
*edit catch me on vent or my ts at you leisure if this is the best way to talk this out. Thanks.
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You say this:
Well, the only reason I would double clan is because 90% of the time clans (including yours) refuse to match eR33t, while the other 10% of the time they only match us if we're the last clan on with enough members. That is if any other clans are on that will accept their match, they wont match us. What this ammounts to is very few matches for eR33t.
90% refuse to match you and 10% would prefer to match anyone else than you. ---> none would want to match you because theyre AFRAID of you....
Okay, I see you arent getting it. So those things ill mention now HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAID ONCE. Thats not really a positive point for you guys since its telling that you have left those arguments out of a thoroughly discussion.
Just a few quotes by "better" known players:
-those clans are just fed up with the lack of maturity within er33t - VERY good possibility.
-Don't blame us for the declining number of matches that er33t has been able to participate in ( as digi put it ), because you fellas did this to yourselves with the lack of respect and above all else, lack of maturity in game.
- by merl: http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2048.40
Digi the reason why xb wont match you isnt the fact that we dont want to lose to you, its the fact that you guys, basically you and bob act like complete jackasses during the match as seen by the demo that pierce recorded during our map of hellsurvivors. Maybe if you guys grew up and didnt act like complete asses towards people and dont call us newbies when you guys lose, cause I know for a fact that I have been playing longer than you. We would match you, but whats the point of matching when you are just going to piss and moan and say LOL or ROFL everytime we kill you.
If you guys treated everyone the same way you would want to be treated, I know that is like a kindergarden saying, but its true, im sure that more clans including us will match you.
- by oddjob: http://dpball.com/forums/index.php?topic=2013.0
...and here a qoute by myself in this topic on which hasnt been spoken about:
The only reason i'd ever play for a clan like insane is because the multitude of times things like this have happened:
<Lunatic> well digi asked me like 10 minutes ago <PBCup^J0E> well we have a chance against xb
....and: * You were kicked from #team_er33t by *d* (*d*) = kickban
Then later i sent a !scrim 3on3 and ruddy asked me if we wanna match them....
Add all arguments. Still having the same opinion about "very few matches for eR33t" now? I guess not. SO that means you´re not having any right of double-clanning due to that "fact" you brought up.
PS: Dont take it to personally as its not mainly about you.
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s8n I pitty you
Explain yourself? What in my post has warranted such a comment from you? I would almost consider that a personal attack that should warrant banning. Of course we know that won't happen.
My comment, "LOL you guys are funny and pathetic at the same time." was my oppinion support afterwards by my thoughts that demonstrate how most of you fail to see the big picture in this matter, and how as DP attempts to run thier "clean" organization they are essentially doing what we fight in the US government and companies like Microsoft. You people fight for regulation to make your world a perfect place. That will make this place such a limiting and controlled environment. Exactly what alot dislike. Net Neutraliy on a smaller scale. Beyond the bare minimum to play I don't care for DP "forcing" me to do anything. But, some of you do, and voice your opinions loudly. I find that pathetic because your loud voices are being heard, whereas our quiet voices are not. You would think, Jitspoe, of all people would see what he his doing, but I guess not.
In general, is clan hopping frowned upon, as deemed by the norm of years of gaming, sure. Is it illegal, absolutely not.
Dictatorship comment:
If i'm going to be forced to register my name that's fine. If i'm going to be forced to swear an allegence to clan globally, that's wrong. Track me all you want. Make sure I am who I say I am when I play. But associating players with clans is not the job of a global login, it's the job of leagues and tournaments. The global login should simply offer the league/tournament a GUID or something to use in clan association.
lol
I've type a whole bunch of crap.
None of you are even worth it.
I hate all of you.
I'd just kill every one of you if I could.
I'm just that much of a piece of excrement...hate me you intercourse wads.
Ban me all you want you meddling losers
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Comparing dp to the US government and even microsoft is still overly dramatic.
dp isn't a microcosm of these situations that you mention, because you seem to forget that no money is made from this game. Jitspoe serves little gain by controling us whereas microsoft can use its monopoly to make more money for themselves.
No need to start a sort of revolution against a system that doesn't even exist right now...
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hahaha I think I've figured it all out, You see the only people who say double clanning is OK are the people being accued here (er33t and insane).
eR33t - Clans dont match you because you're all arrogant, in and out of servers, it just takes the fun out of the game when some someone says "lmao" and "rofl" everytime they die. You guys are trying to make it seem as if you're being forced to double clan, when really you arent...honestly try being nice and have a friendly attitude to people and you'll get your matches. Insane lets you guys play with then for 2 reasons 1) They all want to be in er33t so bad that they think by sucking up to you guys they will have a shot. 2) If boomer isnt around they have you guys play with them because he's their whole team.
s8n - consider it a personal attack all you want, i really dont care
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j0e, sorry we didnt lose to m&mk. :( :(
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s8n - consider it a personal attack all you want, i really dont care
There ya go Jitspoe.
Where's his ban for personal attack?
Funny to see these little kids, like Joe, trying to play all grown up with the big boys.
I guess the internet is the place to try to be a big shot when you can't manage in real life society, huh Joe?
You'll find yourself fat and lonely in an apartment somewhere living just to sit on your virtual thrown while real life goes on around you. Then you'll get sick one day and the crane will come. They'll have to remove the entire wall of your apartment so they can lift you out to take you to the hospital. But you'll bring your laptop with you, and your virtual life won't even flutter a hint of change until the day you die and your existance simply vanishes.
So prentend to be almighty because you think you are. The ones you think almighty, that fuel you into being the little puppy in a big dog's world, are, themselves, little puppies. You are a fool that runs with fools...you are nothing more, and will never be.
Oh...nothing personal, btw.
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^LMAO^
"Oh you bastard your making a personal attack" then you go take the piss out of Joe. Points for detail though. Mind you thrown in that case is really spelt throne.
To be honest you lost me after you talked about the US Government fighting for justice, which is a load of BULLexcrement. Come up with a sensible argument and I might begin to care.
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I think this all started when digi approached me with some big sob story about how he hated public play, and nobody would ever match eR33t anymore, so he simply couldn't play the game, wah wah, was it OK if he played for insane in general matches and eR33t for PBcup? I told him I would not encourage it, but couldn't really stop it, either. Somehow he translated that to mean, "Well, jitspoe says it's OK to double clan." I should have flat out said "No," in retrospect. Quite frankly, several members of eR33t deserve not to play. They have a total lack of respect for what seems to be the vast majority of players, and, as demonstrated recently, the game in general. Then they go and act like it's everybody's fault but their own.
Honestly, guys, think about it. Are you that dense to think that the only reason people won't play you is because you're more skilled? Sure, it probably plays a role, but if you were respectable and fun to play with, I'm sure plenty of clans would be willing to match you.
As for this whole playing for other clans business, I don't see why somebody needs to be active in the matching scene to comment on it. Clans are a very basic concept. Anybody with common sense should be able to understand them. A clan plays another clan in a match. If there are people playing that aren't members of one of those clans, then it's simply not a clan match. If you want to mix and match, there's a style of game play tailored to that: the pickup game. Clans have a roster -- a list of players belonging to that clan -- and a record. The record implies that players from the roster participated in the matches to build up the record, otherwise what's the point? Why have clans at all? Why have records at all? They're meaningless if any old player can jump in and play for a clan.
You know this. Just admit you're wrong already. Anybody with a weiner can make up lame excuses for his actions or blame other people, but it takes a real man to stand up and admit his fault. I'm especially disappointed in you, DirtyTaco. You used to be pretty cool back when we were in Prozak together. You're also a PBCup representative. You should be setting a better example.
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I WAS WRONG *sobs*
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Yeah Dirtytaco, you meddling female dog.
Nobody likes losing, that's the only reason people don't want to match us. Don't know if that's being arogant or not, but it's true.
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All fear you. Why are they trying to make it so difficult when its so simple.
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True.
It's no real big deal to me though, I'll let the others in the clan argue it out. You guys can continue to match people who suck and never improve. Then, when you think you guys have got it, you can come get wrecked by us again.
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Ok, er33t is the best clan via record? Sure, no doubt. When it comes to sportsmanshop are they the best clan. General consences is no. Are they upset that they cant get matches, sure? Will they realize that thier behavior towards any who can not beat them in a FPS might have something to do with this? No. As s8n said and I quote
You are a fool that runs with fools...you are nothing more, and will never be.
Please replace fools with with 'poor sportsmans' and we got our selfs a winner and one of the main reasons people dont like matching you in public or out, with alisas or with out. No one likes playing with a poor sport, agreed?
The reality of this is that your clan is a bunch of poor sports. So but it is true. Your actions on and off line prove this. Do you care, no. This also adds to the fact of you NOT getting more matches. It is not becuase you win so often, but how you act before during and after a win.
Sometime (most of the time) you guys tend to over complicate matters to your advantage, so that you wont ever really have to apologize for actling like child who's parents never taught them to think beond his or her own needs. We dont need to see the 'whole picture' to see and ass act like and ass.
You are no better or worse than anyone else when it comes to being a Human. Thats reality. Anyone can pick up a gun and fire it and hit something. Thats reality. Does it take a critical hit to kill a man, no. Why am I talking about killing am man with one shot or more, becuase that is what your sportsmanship is doing to this game. It does not matter that you scored a critical hit, its that you picked up the gun and fired with the intention of harming someone. Same thing goes with your mouth and what comes out of it. Grow up a little. Be a little more friendly. Then perhaps you will see the influx of matches your souls crave.
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Okay so just to point it out. Skater and I both admitted we used DirtyTaco so you can stop saying just admit it already cause we did a while back. I'm disspointed in the clan myself so whatever, that's all i am going to say on thsi subject anymore.
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Look DirtyTaco what kind of bahaviour:
It's no real big deal to me though, I'll let the others in the clan argue it out. You guys can continue to match people who suck and never improve. Then, when you think you guys have got it, you can come get wrecked by us again.
He is simply disrespectful. Hes saying that all other clans (we match many different/good) than eR33t are noobs. No need going to search a quote for an example somewhere else.
And as for your post... The part with double-clanning is making as much sense for me as if you´d replace "double-clanning" with "hacking", sorry.
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Its a common excuse. I was a non-eR33t/non-iP member for a very long time and i know just how it goes. eR33t comes looking for a match and in everyone's private chan they're like 'no don't match eR33t it's not worth it we can't win.' I've been there before, I've watched people do it in clans I've been in since iP/eR33t has been around and I've done it myself. They/I simply did not want to lose.
Taco, its only you and only some of the current players, as seen by your quotes. Anyways theres none of that clans still alive that you mentioned who fear you. As for DoP having "fear" to match you...comon Taco, simply look at what ive written above, understandable? Then again, although we didnt win matches against you, we matched you over and over again. To that point where the behaviour of some others than you started annoying us. We play this game for fun. We match fun. Its simply not funny matching against your clan when you always go like: wonderful personeZ! lmfao 2gud. and then in irc kick us from your chan where we idle for getting a match because we´d say dont call us wonderful people, were not wonderful people. This is just an example by our clan. Keep in mind, that whole thing only started because of your comments in the first match against you. At that time we only knew that your whole team is from america.
"were called by everyone hackers". Here again, only by some. 2-3 guys maybe that have said so from like 4-5 clans which are active. Maybe 2-3 others which dont even match regularly but i think you wouldnt care about them since they "have no clue about matching". ;) Anyways i think those accusations against you are almost past now?
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This community has disrespected eR33t since day 1, i know because i used to be a part of that group doing the disrespect. Then when i joined i realized that they don't really hack, they really are just that much better than everyone else. On eR33t's behalf, I believe we simply have a lack of respect for people that have a lack of respect for us. Its entirely a mutual relationship. The (few) people that look up to us we have respect for and treat respectfully. We just seem like the 'bad ones' because so many people dislike us, and we just dislike them back.
Very nice...SO true...
So as cheat protection has improved, more and more people have come to the stark realization that eR33t does not hack. AND all the cross burnings are all of a sudden expected to be forgotten.
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very interesting topic *sigh*
well, we all know that the conclusion is the following:
- er33t is the best clan, what a surprise...
- if Digi and BoB wouldn't act like complete a..holes towards all others (except members of er33t and insane maybe) all the time, you'd probably get a few more matches
- yet double-clanning/ringing is nothing to be proud of, DirtyTaco. Even if that results in a team not getting a 4th member to have a match (just play it 3v3 then?), acquiring players from other teams is definitely not right, as your mind should tell you without you even having to think about it. I should just remind you that you didnt think aB should've recruited cP players for PBCup, and just because this isnt a formal league with fixed rules doesnt mean common sense doesnt apply here.
whatever.
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When I was in dB, we tried to match eR33t, and you acted like a bunch of babies and left the server when you didn't get your way.
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Lmao, no where did I say everyone was a newb. What I said is everyone sucks. If you want me to call you newbies I will. You guys have played this game what a year, along with more than 3/4ths of the active clans now? That's not who I'm refering to when I say you guys go off and match other people. I'm talking about the people who've been playing longer than most of the people in er33t or as long. People who don't even play this game that often and claim they're good and deserve respect. You on the other hand are trying to make an arguement against double clanning and some how turned into me and digi making fun of others in matches. I can say digi doesn't hardly talk in matches only me. Just accept the fact that we're better than you.
b00nlander: those cP players that they recruited weren't double clanning. They had matched for aB in several non-related pbcup matches. Take the 3v6 against us for instance. I'm sure you'll find that demo on the forum somewhere. cP has been dead for years.
This double clanning thing wouldn't even be an issue if you guys didn't lose. I played with dt last night and can tell you he didn't carry them like you're making it out (LOL JK DT LOVE YOU). I'm sure you would of lost anyways. Back to the point that you guys all suck. You all suck. Keep playing clans that aren't any good (everyone) and you won't get any better. I'll give a few examples. Insane has matched us a several times when they first started and they were horrible, but each time they got better and better. I'd say they'd be one of our toughest challenges. Same with [CC] few members that have repeatedly played us are already better than most of the dp community, well just Olbaid but the others are improving also. If you guys don't want to play us whatever, lmao. You guys can match other clans all you want, but we'll always be 10 times better.
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You mean when you forced us to match on your sweet matching rules? Where apparently you've been matching on since the beginning of time? Yeah... That was proven that you guys are idiots when we matched you again and did a 1-0 castle1 with one round. I believe you guys were the ones going "OMFG ER33T NEEDS TO USE THESE CHEAPR UNNING TACTICS TO WIN ITS THE ONLY WAY" when it's obvious we'd wreck you like before.
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- if Digi and BoB wouldn't act like complete a..holes towards all others (except members of er33t and insane maybe) all the time, you'd probably get a few more matches
#team_i, Official affilliate of #team_eR33t.
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bob will you carry my children?
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Not only that he claimed that is how matching had been done forever, and that people just like the newbie pub settings. For example, no gun jamming, flag cap doesn't end round, and oh yeah, respawning.
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MESSAGEMODE 2 IS FOR WOMEN DT.
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Ok, so DT the clan scene I know nothing about is much superior than anything you don't care to speculate about (my clanning experience and the level of organization of which I am accustomed to clanning). Your right the clan scene here is different, its sucks and needs better organization. Pbcup started hit on this I hope you keep it up. Untill then have fun matching "known cheats" and people that hide behind alisas.
BTW yes if your going to clan with someone else why not use your name? YOU SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE dont be shy or think someone will laugh at you.
There’s a difference between having 4 members on ready to match, saying 'no' to a clan asking for a match, and simply having lives. Obviously if you aren't matching because you don't have the members on (because they have 'lives') this wouldn’t get to me. Its when you have the members on and want to match and still refuse to match is what I'm talking about.
Again you are assuming way beyond your knowledge base. I dont have 45-50 minutes to match strait with out interruption, UNLESS its a preset match. Even if I have all members, its not fair to them, me or you. Either you love to turn things around or you simple don’t understand my point, either way whatever, you will never admit to being wrong, wait your not wrong...your right!! I see the light now. Its telling me to use a name that know one will ever know me by..MUhahahaMUhahhaa :)
Just use you freakin name, whats the big deal jesus H christ? Pardon me. I can at least forgive er33 tprincess for using more than one name. Its her thing. The rest of DP has no excuse or debatable excuse not to use more than one name. Ask around other forums and such. You will get the same anwser dont do it.
***Shakes head and they call me dumb. Moma always said there would be men like you. j/k Keep your chin up and keep winning.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)+ ??? ??? ??? ??? ???= Me
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Ummm BoB isn't always nice to me but do you see me whining? If you guys have a problem with people talking be smart and type ignore <player#> in console. Half of eR33t isnt nice to me, but I really don't care I am always open to matching them. I respect all of eR33t, DT more of anyone just cause I actually know him and you guys can't deny they aren't good. And if they hacked wouldn't jits have already caught them? Yeah think about stuff first.
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Bob's always has been nice to me. :P Really Bob was always fun to play...was fun to game with and we shared many a momement where if one has ever owned a server then only you could possible understand the humor. Look back at the e3rrt records they dont lie. I have over 4 aliases of bob on my GSA, i have SS. and transcripts of him being nice. Same with S8N, only he is the old dog you dont ever kick, take a bone from or love on. :)
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In bf2 almost every scrim or match outside of the league has at least one ringer.
Mind you that the majority of clans (bf2, cs, or whatever) do not keep a regular record for "unorganized" matches, but rather rely on only their league/ladder. So technically when you ring for a DP team who plans on adding that win/loss to their clan record then its defying the point of having a set roster of players and what not as jitspoe mentioned.
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In DoP's favor, Playah, you're right. DoP was the exception to the rule for quite a while. They matched us almost daily trying to get better (I think). How did eR33t respond? Digi and I used to idle in your channel 24/7 and were %100 respectful too you. A few times DoP would pick rather odd maps (cmball for instance) and digi would say stuff, but for the most part we were pretty decent. What was the outcome of all that? DoP got alot better at DP. I think thats what BoB's point is in that post.
I can agree with u. I can only tell it other clans: Match every clan u can match! U will get better! U will lose when u play against better clans but when u always practise against better clans u will become one of the better clans.
I thank er33t for this! Thank you :)
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its true. PBCup made me and my clan members much better players purely through the process of matching much better clans.
However, i would not like to match clans that disrespect me or my clan in match situations. Matching better clans is one thing, but having to put up with ridicule or blatent disrespect is another.
PBCup gave rules to stop this happening in match, but outside of this lots of clans act as if they are run by 5 year olds.
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my psot wasn't specifically aimed at er33t.
Its probably true that one of the reasons that clans don't want to face er33t is that they don't want to record a loss. Bu its equally valid that htey won't match you because of your attitude.
If you want my opinion, don't give people the option to say they don't want to match you because of your attitude. Then they are left to admit that they won't match you cos you're too good.
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I think you should all just stop arguing about it, neither side is going to back down, although it does make for interesting reading.
I’m here, not to disrespect er33t, but to deliver a message to the respectful part of the community.
I’m sure er33t will never admit that they are all a bunch of arrogant ____, but that matters not. We on the outside know the truth. They will always turn a blind eye to their own misbehaving, but that’s just the way it is. They have two known hackers in their clan, but this is skilfully overlooked in every discussion. They broke numerous pbcup rules, but were rarely punished (I'd like to thank Xbain for being brave enough to stand up to them for once).
If er33t members want to double clan, they will double clan. If er33t members want to talk down to people, they will talk down to people.
But, we have found their weakness :) They are clearly quite upset that no one wants to match them, whether this be because they are the best, or because digi is the “human equivalent of AIDS” i cannot say for sure.
However, I am urging the DP community to continue this trend, resist matching them, let them be the ones to change their attitude. YOU, the clans that refuse to match them, have done nothing wrong, do not let them persecute you anymore.
Don’t let them spin their lies any longer, don’t let them tell you that you have to match ‘good clans’ to get better. They disregarded 2b0 before the pbcup, saying that my clan never matched, and therefore didn’t have the authority to be making suggestions. Look where we finished, and even though they’ll never admit it, they were scared to get beaten by us.
Even if you do want to match there are plenty of decent clans out there waiting to be challenged. Please, don’t be afraid to use pub play to develop your general skills as well, although it may not enhance your team working skills, it will certainly help you to improve in other vital areas of your game.
If you dont find matching fun, dont be forced into doing it, and please, please, dont insight anymore arguments with er33t. The most effective argument is through actions, not through words.
Thank you for your time, I love you all dearly.
Yours sincerely,
Dr. Reed.
P.S Lekky, I want to touch your bum.
P.P.S J0E gets mucho respect from me for his refereeing work in pbcup season 1, and the praise that he gave my team, that goes for all the players in all the teams apart from er33t (actually meini was cool). :)
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I’m sure er33t will never admit that they are all a bunch of arrogant ____,
ME ME ME!!! maybe not for my DP skills, but in general i'm an arrogant ____!!!
and even though they’ll never admit it, they were scared to get beaten by us.
I'm sorry, but eR33t has never been "scared" to be beaten by anyone.
I think the problem is the community think eR33t should be all sportsman-like and honorable in there victories. Well, new is, some of us aren't.
Funny thing is i've heard clan after clan, during and before I was in eR33t, whine, booger, and moan while they get thier asses kicked and no one says a word. Some clan are notorious for it. So there's some rule that says you can only talk smack if you're on the losing end of the stick? Welp...not happening at the eR33t camp I guess.
Now, i'm not anyone that talks smack in matches. I don't have the skills to put behind any sort of words like that, and it's just not me. I will talk some smack in IRC and on these forums though. I do it just to get people pissed. I draw fancy pictures just to poke you in the side and watch you wiggle. And it works. I piss people off good. I never said I was a descent kind of guy. Some of the old-schoolers have met me. They know what i'm really like in person. You people let this internet smack just get to you way too much.
It's so refreshing to see an elite (or eR33t in this case) set of guys tear people to shreds and shove it in thier face. Screw sportsmanship and honor. Kick'em while thier down.
Peace to all my loving fans!!!
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. ;)
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Don’t let them spin their lies any longer, don’t let them tell you that you have to match ‘good clans’ to get better. They disregarded 2b0 before the pbcup, saying that my clan never matched, and therefore didn’t have the authority to be making suggestions. Look where we finished, and even though they’ll never admit it, they were scared to get beaten by us.
I've been in the best clan(s) with the best player(s) in this game for longer than the majority of people who read this forum have played the game.. well before [eR33t] -- and although I tend to not waste my time spamming threads, you are absolutely wrong about 'matching good clans.' The better players you surround yourself with (and against), the faster you will get better -- anyone who says otherwise is mistaken.
Regarding "being scared" -- I don't have emotions like that over dp matches. I've won (and lost) tons of matches, and pretty much any situation is commonplace to me as far as that's concerned. With that said, I would've much prefered a more "exciting" final... but the result was far from.
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I love fishing....
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I can't read your reply without think you're just joking.
I'll admit I'm arogant because lets face it, I own you.
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Reed ---> please enlighten me as to how eR33t was scared to face you guys in the finals... and please tell me the final score again, i can't get enough of it.
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Also came to my attention. Everyone here whining about respect are newbies. You guys played what a year maybe 2? Lmafo.
Don't know where Lekky comes off on saying we're excretory openings to him when I'm more than confident none of us even talked to him or his clan. Better yet, I even idled in your channel since you almost started it.
I'm sure we were scared excrementless when we won castle1 60-20? on your server? Yeah.
Don't know how we got on the topic of people not wanting to match us, but J0E's clan matched us 3-4 times in the last 3 days. :(
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lol @ reed.
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*Reed dances a wee dance*
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Also came to my attention. Everyone here whining about respect are newbies. You guys played what a year maybe 2? Lmafo.
Don't know where Lekky comes off on saying we're excretory openings to him when I'm more than confident none of us even talked to him or his clan. Better yet, I even idled in your channel since you almost started it.
I'm sure we were scared excrementless when we won castle1 60-20? on your server? Yeah.
Don't know how we got on the topic of people not wanting to match us, but J0E's clan matched us 3-4 times in the last 3 days. :(
I never said that. Read my post's. I'm actually giving you advice not slating you. The players that put effort into learning and playing this game whilst respecting other people regardless of skill or how long they have played it for are the ones i wish there were more of.
Be confident and arrogent, but do it with a pinch of salt.
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reed is jealous. he wants to be in er33t.
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reed is jealous. he wants to be in er33t.
‘Tis true. All this is a devious ploy to get into er33t (I think it’s working ;)). But the bastards picked hacking ruddy as their ringer instead of me. OH THE PAIN! HOW SHALL I EVER LIVE!
Yours regretfully,
Dr. Reed.
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Don't know how we got on the topic of people not wanting to match us, but J0E's clan matched us 3-4 times in the last 3 days. :(
Yeah I was going to post that earlier. That we've been matching you guys quite a bit lately. It's been fun, and in one match we only lost by 3 on the tie map. :)
I had no problem with matching eR33t ever. I only cared about the double clanning at the time because we lost and that only lasted about one day then I forgot about it.
The only thing I wanted to know out of this and my thread, was how everybody has a positive record, but that seems to be long gone.
SO. I AM A HAPPY LUNATIC! WOOT WOOT!
Reed, you're crazy.
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WHO THE intercourse IS Y2J? OMG!?!?!?!?
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intercourse.
anyone scared to match ch1ll now :? I would be..... hehhehe
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Thank you all er33t for vindicating my previous post.
I always love to bring comedy to the bleak and underprivileged lives of others.
Yours suggestively,
Dr. Reed.
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Well explaining things further... We´ve had an argue with digi a while ago because of this "lack of respect" and so on. So we didnt want to match er33t because if we dont have fun/enjoy matching someone then we logically wont. We dont care if we get better faster or a lil less fast than matching you.
Like one week ago it came to one point where mosez simply wanted to forget all that excrement which had happened so he appologized for everything to digi although he thought hes not the only one having made mistakes. So we thought its all over. So...some days ago i join their channel and idle there. I only might have talked to some mates in their channel but i clearly didnt say one word to digi. So I was gone for 2-3 hours that day, came back to my computer, didnt recognize anything at first later then i saw this:
* You were kicked from #team_er33t by d (d) = kickban
So i had said no word to him and he kickbans me. That impressed me so much that i again decided not matching eR33t.
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Ever occur to you that digi just doesn't like you and probably doesn't want your presence in the channel? Now you'll probably say WHY WOULD I MATCH SOMEONE WHO DOESNT LIKE ME? We don't want to match you. :(
Think you misunderstoods Dirtytacos post when he said he thought it was funny. Your ignorance is humorous is probably what he actually meant, atleast, that's why I thought it was funny.
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Maybe you are the one who misunderstands his post good sir. Such a comment may have arisen because he realises Dr. Reed speaks the truth, and with no rebuttal left in his arsenal he resorted to the tired and tested method of ‘laughing it off’.
However, if what you say is indeed true, he must find it incredibly difficult to stifle his laughter while talking to you.
Thank you, and good night.
Dr. Reed.
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We don't want to match you. :(
...read that dt? None wanna match you, right.
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Well, thats true, but remember the past...you said you double-clanned because none wanted to match you.