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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: Money on November 02, 2006, 07:40:29 PM
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There has been a new server going around but I'm not sure how it will work out or even if we need to use a new server.
So i think we should take a vote to where we should go
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There has been a new server going around but I'm not sure how it will work out or even if we need to use a new server.
So i think we should take a vote to where we should go
What a stupid poll, clearly we're going to use gg-center.
nobody wants to use qnet or efnet or dalnet even.
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Not a whole lot wrong with the server that we've used for so long unless your an idiot that likes causing trouble and taking over channels. I do wish they had Nickserv and Memoserv options though. They also need to finish up their Chanserv code. To date I still don't think they've fixed their !members command. I used to love DALnet but I think they've fallin apart since those days. If the community does decide to move I'll of course follow.
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I chose EFnet because its mere existence as an option is a joke. :P
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IronFist: I edited the poll and added GameSurge. By the way, if GameSurge is the 2nd largest, what's the largest?
Heh, we used to be on EFNet -- that place was crazy. Splits, channel takeovers, etc. It was basically every man for himself. That's definitely out.
I don't know about irc.gg-center.net. It's too new to tell. It could be another rigamer. Great for a while, but never really achieving mainstream popularity until it finally dies a slow and quiet death. If we moved, I'd like for it to be a bigger network where people could access channels liked without having to connect to multiple servers.
Moving is a pain, too, and I'd rather not do it without a compelling reason. We always end up losing about half of the channel population.
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IronFist: I edited the poll and added GameSurge. By the way, if GameSurge is the 2nd largest, what's the largest?
I guess I could say largest primarily North-American based network :D
quakenet is pretty farking big, so it takes the cake, even though there's a ton of foreign people on it (mostly european):
...121,818 invisible on 35 servers
Vs. GameSurge:
...27,534 invisible on 23 servers
The only negative to quakenet is that it is a bit efnet-ish; it is so old that they should probably be switching services, but there is really no way to do it without massive uproar and chaos. The L/Q services are quite...scary.
With GSurge, you're dealing with a largely canada/america gaming base, most mods are located there (although foreign stuff ends up at quakenet), and the services (SRVX) are well-developed and quickly popular with most other small networks (like GGC). GS uses auth-based logins, rather than nickname-based logins, so you can't keep a nickname, but you also don't have the annoying problem of people regging every good nickname out there.
Leet-o graph:
http://irc.netsplit.de/networks/top10graphs.php
edit: One reason people are advocating a GGC move is because...certain people... probably stand a better chance at getting helper status or something that makes your e-penis huge. I don't think GGC is internally stable enough to warrant moving any channel of size >30 over there. I mean that both staff- and server-wise (too many servers at FDC). I also have plenty of reasons to be speaking overly optimistic of them, so don't think I'm just being a uber-hater.
OMG I WANT 2 B A IRC HELPER
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I think if we switch to any server it should be gamesurge, I think if we did switch to gamesurge it would open up the game more to other communities.
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yeah lets move to game surge the SPAM CENTER OF THE WORLD. seriously, have you ever held a real conversation on that network? no. its almost impossible with all the spam bots and cs adds.
When GGC first opened to the public I did ask some people to check it out and possibly move there...once that failed I sort of just sat back and didn't really care anymore. But now that some people are, yet again, fed up with our current network they realize there is a good alternative. Sure you can go to quake net (full of non-us gamers (which is good for the Germans)) or even to game surge (with like 20 billon adds spamming everywhere (ie: 5v5 your de_dust cali++++ pmnow!!!!!!)) or you take it to a smaller network with the same services as game surge, that doesn't have the spam or the splits of the other two networks mentioned. GGC is totally willing and able to support our game on their network, its just an alternative to ETG, considering half of our active community is glined.
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Wow, I'm surprised to see that EFNet has almost the most stable graph on there. I also didn't realize QuakeNet was larger than EFNet.
I really don't see much of a reason to move. All the networks seem to have their pros and cons, and none of them seem to be much better off than ETG. The only reason I see this even coming up at all is because 3 or 4 people did something stupid and got banned, so now they're like, "Let's get everybod to move to this other network where we're not banned." Say we do move. How long before somebody does something stupid on the new network and gets banned and the cycle continues? We've moved the channel, what, 3 times? 4 times? The grass is always greener on the other side. It's not worth moving the whole community just to accommodate for 4 or 5 people.
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Wow, I'm surprised to see that EFNet has almost the most stable graph on there. I also didn't realize QuakeNet was larger than EFNet.
I really don't see much of a reason to move. All the networks seem to have their pros and cons, and none of them seem to be much better off than ETG. The only reason I see this even coming up at all is because 3 or 4 people did something stupid and got banned, so now they're like, "Let's get everybod to move to this other network where we're not banned." Say we do move. How long before somebody does something stupid on the new network and gets banned and the cycle continues? We've moved the channel, what, 3 times? 4 times? The grass is always greener on the other side. It's not worth moving the whole community just to accommodate for 4 or 5 people.
No, etg admins are stupid. It takes more than 3 days sometimes to get an admin/helper to help you out, hostmask's arnt hidden, the services blow.., they have so many bullexcrement rules that you have to follow, its horrid.
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I talked to kismet briefly about this.
<jitspoe> some people are trying to convince me to move to gg-center...
<kismet> i wish you wouldn't :(
<kismet> ggc isn't going to last long, there are less than 300 max users ever.........
<kismet> and those who are wanting you to move are those who have been removed from this network because they continually break the rules
Doesn't seem she has the hatred for us that JOE tried to depict earlier, and said basically the exact same thing I did about motives for moving.
So let's put together some pros/cons on the top 3 networks voted for:
gg-center
+ More services
- Small, might be a bust and die shortly.
- It hasn't even launched yet. We have no idea how well it's going to handle large user loads once it does. The network might fall apart and become split city.
ETG
+ We're already there. It's been pretty tried and true. Probably the best of the 3 or 4 different networks we've been on.
+ Fairly large and developed, but not so large that it's all chaotic.
+ Admins are fairly active in enforcing the rules.
GameSurge
+ More services (same as gg-center?)
+ Very large and developed.
- Prone to spam.
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to stay in etg would be the easiest way. in my opinion
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we are already transfering over... might as well follow us, or be left behind.
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rofl, i never asked for any of that iron, it was just simply given to me...you can ask butta if you wish. Oh yeah and iron, Im on GS all the time....in 4 channels and they are nothing but spam. period. hell they arent even cs chans and its still cs spam or server company spam its all spam.
Jitspoe: I never said there was a hatred towards our community but rather a dislike dating back many years. And GGC just wants us there. As for the services, yes they're the same as GS with many more user modifications.
As far as i can see the active portion of th dp community likes GGC for its custom fakehosts and their services.
So let's put together some pros/cons on the top 3 networks voted for:
gg-center
+ More services
- Small, might be a bust and die shortly.
- It hasn't even launched yet. We have no idea how well it's going to handle large user loads once it does. The network might fall apart and become split city.
ETG
+ We're already there. It's been pretty tried and true. Probably the best of the 3 or 4 different networks we've been on.
+ Fairly large and developed, but not so large that it's all chaotic.
+ Admins are fairly active in enforcing the rules.
GameSurge
+ More services (same as gg-center?)
+ Very large and developed.
- Prone to spam.
GGC has Improved Services compared to GS and ETG
GGC has a smaller userbase, but will eventually become a top runner in irc networks
GGC offers the ability to register your own channels, rather than waiting til an admin is available, or waiting in line in #registration
GGC wants us to be there, whereas ETG could really care less (as kismet has said to me before)
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I think GG-C is probably the best choice. DP already makes up a large portion of their network. Their admins are always on, its easy to reg a chan, they provide fake hosts and more. I'm sure it will do fine after its launch, dont see any reason why it wouldnt.
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In addition to J0E's remark, I'd say, that GGC's admins are much gentler compared to those on ETG, including the availability of them. There are always like 3 admins present at every time of the day, compared to waiting for 4 days until you receive a mail from ETG's "service team".
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I don't see anything wrong with ETG, we are already there why move? It doesn't really matter to me though except my computer is all messed up so i cant register a nick on ggc.
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ETG offers vhosts... Doesn't that hide the hostmask and also does the user make up their own fake hostname on GG-C or do you select it from a list of choices?
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GGC for Winner
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i like ggc way better they are launchin nov 11 the admins there are really helpful they have less admins then etg and there is still 1 there all the time better services and more independent then etg the i really like the admins there + lots of the admins there came from ETG because they were fed up 2 i think we should give this network a chance. and it seems a # of users on ETG are fed up 2
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ETG offers vhosts... Doesn't that hide the hostmask and also does the user make up their own fake hostname on GG-C or do you select it from a list of choices?
you get to make your own CUSTOM fakehosts. my for instance is J0E@is.looking.through.your.window.touhing.himself
you can get anything that doesn't conflict with a website name (ie you cant get ch1ll.com unless you own ch1ll.com or get permission from the owner), no foul language, and nothing that is offensive
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and u dont got to wait 3 months for your vhost/fakehost
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its still spam, which is annoying to a lot of users
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SkateR is Skater454@piece.of.cake.to.bake.a.pretty.cake * hi2u
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(19:47:15) (@kismet) cuz a couple people couldn't follow the rules here
(19:47:23) (@kismet) and got banned, so now they want everyone to join them there
(19:47:32) (@kismet) and because they promised j0e some things if he moved
Can someone just remind me again why we have to move servers?
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ETG offers vhosts... Doesn't that hide the hostmask and also does the user make up their own fake hostname on GG-C or do you select it from a list of choices?
you get to make your own CUSTOM fakehosts. my for instance is J0E@is.looking.through.your.window.touhing.himself
you can get anything that doesn't conflict with a website name (ie you cant get ch1ll.com unless you own ch1ll.com or get permission from the owner), no foul language, and nothing that is offensive
That's quiet nifty... It is tempting because ETG regardless of user and oper differences has become stagnant... Becky(Kissy I mean Kismet) has always been the most helpful oper but it is almost impossible to get help in a timely manner on ETG. The Chanserv script still hasn't been completed, you have to have an established clan to get a vhost, No Nickserv or Memoserv options and registering a channel is a pain in the ass.
I do like the newest Chanserv script on ETG but it needs to be finished. I have 2 established channels on ETG so I don't have to go through anymore worry about starting a channel... done did that LOL
Just curious, don't the networks you're speaking of that you claim have loads of spam have some kind of "moderate" type setting to block outside of the channel spam?
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Just curious, don't the networks you're speaking of that you claim have loads of spam have some kind of "moderate" type setting to block outside of the channel spam?
As far as GameSurge is concerned I'm not sure if they have the channel mode ( +T ) which prevents amsgs, but the spam is from people setting timers in the channels and just leaving them, or join parting and spamming a ton. Whereas on GGC there are a ton of channel modes to prevent pretty much anything that the channel owner does not want (from CTCP preventions to amsg protection its there)
(19:47:15) (@kismet) cuz a couple people couldn't follow the rules here
(19:47:23) (@kismet) and got banned, so now they want everyone to join them there
(19:47:32) (@kismet) and because they promised j0e some things if he moved
Can someone just remind me again why we have to move servers?
Just to get the facts strait, I was NEVER and let me please repeat NEVER offered anything from GGC if our community was brought there and i take offence to the fact that the oh so knowledgeable Kismet is making such bold statements.
Lekky: GGC is overall a better network, in the opinions of the majority of the active DP clan community, a better network than ETG, Quakenet, and GameSurge. You're welcome to stay over on ETG, but the majority of the clan communityh as made the switch along with the ch1ll^match bot.
irc.gg-center.net :-)
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As far as GameSurge is concerned I'm not sure if they have the channel mode ( +T ) which prevents amsgs, but the spam is from people setting timers in the channels and just leaving them, or join parting and spamming a ton. Whereas on GGC there are a ton of channel modes to prevent pretty much anything that the channel owner does not want (from CTCP preventions to amsg protection its there)
It's simple script channel and flood prot. On GGC is it "a ton of channel modes" other than what you see in the basic mIRC channel central window or are you including Chanserv options?
Also, "the majority of the active DP clan community has made the switch."? Who are the 55 people idling in #paintball on ETG Not being a smartass.. Just curious... How many users have actually transfered already?
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Is that #team_i on ETG Iron?
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Interesting... GGC Web addy?
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They only have 3 servers and you expect them to be able to hold a huge user load? All you need is one script kiddy to attack it and the whole thing's going down in the blink of an eye.
I talked to bain since I was curious why the ch1ll/pbcup stuff had relocated. He said he was not happy at all that the dp community was switching over. Apparently he left ETG to get away from some of the immaturity, and then he ended up getting stuck with all the people even ETG rejected.
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edit:
http://www.gg-center.net/?p=servers
This shows that GGC is operated by 66.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666% neon servers (kodex & yoshi)... I should be on the same boat of uber-optimism about moving there.
Jitspoe: Xbain feels the same as IronFist does regarding this previous statement, which is why they are both opposed to the whole community moving their
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ETG
+ We're already there. It's been pretty tried and true. Probably the best of the 3 or 4 different networks we've been on.
+ Fairly large and developed, but not so large that it's all chaotic.
+ Admins are fairly active in enforcing the rules.
ETG
-It takes 2 to 3 hours to get a channel registered, if your lucky. If your not, anywhere from a day to a week.
-The services arent even developed, how long has !set members been being upgraded for? Months.
And also:
<kismet> i wish you wouldn't
<kismet> ggc isn't going to last long, there are less than 300 max users ever.........
You have to keep in mind that GGC is mostly former-etg admins/helpers that saw that etg was going no where and decided to leave. I would bet that if it was any other server that we were moving to kismet would not care as much, I formerly advertised game surge in one of my clans topics. Today I put in #team_Redemption's topic "We moved to irc.gg-center.net #team_Redemption", RIGHT after I put that in there kismet joined saying "you have to take that down!" i said "okay", and then after i said okay i was glined till december. Kind of rediculous? I think so.
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Now that is hilarious!!
You're very correct with the 2 ETG downfall points you make. It seems to me that ETG needs to view this as a wakeup call. Not all those who are moving to GGC were trouble makers on ETG.
I'm not personally ready to make any kind of move but plan to be wherever the majority of the community is. I hope GGC gets more servers and can maintain a large user base ect...
If I were to move I would probably listen to Ironfist's statements about GS. He seems to have a strong knowledge about Networks and GS seems to have well established service.
If I were ETG and I knew there was a risk of losing a large base of users, I would get busy and tidy things up a bit around the house.
- Complete the Chanserv script especially a common command like !set members and !members
- Either light a fire under the present list of opers or recruit new opers who can be there to help the patrons of ETG. I'm positive that the DP Community isn't the only community that is tired of having to wait for hours, days, weeks on end for help with a problem.
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I only registered a channel once on ETG and I don't remember it being that big of a deal. It's not like it's something you have to do very often. I don't think this has much to do with services, though. It seems like it's just an excuse to me. Here's what I think the true reasoning is:
Smokey:
Banned from ETG.
Tom:
Banned from ETG.
bitmate (or was it b00nlander?):
Banned from ETG.
JOE:
Feels the above are critical to the community, plus bain had left ETG to get away from the immaturity, so ch1ll was basically already on that network (which joe took advantage of to push people over, "ch1ll match script has moved! Everybody else needs to move, too!").
This small group of people, along with their friends/clanmates has been trying to convince everybody that this other network is the greatest thing since sliced bread and that everybody needs to move over there. Several people went from being g-lined to being ops/half-ops. Why wouldn't they want people to move over? I really don't feel this is a legitimate reason for moving, especially to a small, underdeveloped network that hasn't even launched yet. I don't feel like repeating gamesurge and rigamer.
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"I don't feel like repeating gamesurge and rigamer."
I've never been on either so I can't really make a fair and impartial comparison. I came from many years on DALnet and had a blast there before I came to ETG... Now that I'm at ETG, I'm comfortable with it however, I really wish they would take the downfalls people are mentioning and get them taken care of.
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They only have 3 servers and you expect them to be able to hold a huge user load? All you need is one script kiddy to attack it and the whole thing's going down in the blink of an eye.
I talked to bain since I was curious why the ch1ll/pbcup stuff had relocated. He said he was not happy at all that the dp community was switching over. Apparently he left ETG to get away from some of the immaturity, and then he ended up getting stuck with all the people even ETG rejected.
I was about to bring this up when i read this post. Don't take this as meaning everyone, but it seems to me that the whole reason for the switch is that a few bad apples couldn't get away with their behaviour on etg, so decided to try and move the whole community.
The only problems I ever had with ETG is, and not to name any names (Smokey, Tom Vendetta, etc), is that a few guys seemed to think they could act like an ass to other people. As it goes, I like ETG even better now.
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well, i got glined too from etg. for asking why kismet is banning everyone. then standing up for dp in #etg. they were talking about how the dp community is dumb. and i spoke my mind. so i am now glined.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was g-lined from ETG for 1 week for a legitimate reason. During that time I stayed on irc.gg-center.net, over the course of that week my experiences on irc were 10times better. All the cool people from ETG (minus geom and a few other helpdeskers who i miss :'( ) were on ggc. The services were pretty sweet. At first the NickServ thing was kinda confusing, however I understood it rather quickly. The staff were very friendly and talkative in #globalgamers, unlike ETG staff.
I planned on going to GGC for a week and coming back to ETG. I decided that I wasn't going to go back to ETG, cause I liked GGC 10 times better. I went onto ETG and put in our topic "We moved to irc.gg-center.net in #team_redemption!", this wasnt advertising intentionally, it was just letting people know that we relocated, I mean, you dont move and then not inform friends and family, do you?
Anyway, after I put that in the topic IMMEDIATELY, like, not even 5 seconds later kismet joined our channel saying "Remove that immediately!". I said "why?" then "okay." After I said okay I was glined for a month for advertising. Ridiculous? I think so. It is obvious that they are trying to stifle the voice of the dp community by glining us and giving us no option but to stay on etg. Oh, by the way, we requested a !scrim feature like on ETG, they started working on it that night. Would take ETG years.
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This small group of people, along with their friends/clanmates has been trying to convince everybody that this other network is the greatest thing since sliced bread and that everybody needs to move over there.
if by 'small group of people' you mean the majority of ACTIVE DP CLANS, then you'd be correct.
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Then go.
Splinter off and do what you need to do. So there are some nice added features with the other networks. That's great. Go for it.
For ALL of the years I have been here ( from the beginning) I never once have had problems getting an admin, or had problems reg'ing a chan or getting help on anything.
We rarely have netsplits anymore ( unlike the early days - RIDE THE WAVE) and 999 out of 1000 times have no problems connecting.
Just quit your bellyaching and go! Then you can all talk behind the backs off all the people that stayed behind.
There is no reason to move.
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along with their friends/clanmates
In other words, 3 or 4 people got banned/fed up and pushed their whole clan to move over. Some of that was pressured by moving the match scripts, etc., too.
That said, though, I'm not pleased with the way ETG has handled the situation. Instead of providing us with incentive to stay, they've been g-lining people/locking channels for "advertising" gg-center. If we do move, I guess I won't be able to inform people where...
I really hate to jump ship and pile into a dingy, but I'm starting to have second thoughts about sticking with ETG.
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i think bitmate says it best "ETG controls us, GGC encourages us"
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It does seem like they just gave up taking care of ETG. I visited their website http://www.enterthegame.com/ and the last time the news was updated was clear back in July 06'.
It's becoming more and more clear that ETG doesn't much care whether the DP community stays or not. It will be interesting to see where everyone winds up or if this ends of dividing the DP community.
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Woohoo!! LOL
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Just one last thing regarding GGC's Servers:
Apeiron/Helba (2 of their 3 servers) Can hold 5000 users each
I was also informed that they have some 'spiffy' DDOS protection.
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if im not mistaken, isn't the GGC cookayz (US) server a former enter the game server (ca.enterthegame.com)?
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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dpballircnetwork/
Even though i already think that we're there to stay..
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Holy excrement, a petition! No less, an internet petition! Things are really getting serious!
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Well i know that the CA server was run by illogical, and he is one the 'head honchos' at GGC
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Last time I was in channel #ETG i was asking questions about vhost:
Session Start: Sat Oct 28 22:53:34 2006
Session Ident: #etg
[22:53] * Now talking in #etg
[22:53] * Topic is '5,1(-14E5-14n4-14t4-15e4-15r4-0T4-0h4-15e4-15G4-14a4-14m5-14e5-) 0,1http://www.EnterTheGame.com 14|9 Please no advertising/spam 14| 15State what you need in the channel please :) 13TGIF'
[22:53] * Set by [luleelurah]dogmatix on Fri Oct 27 11:15:38
[22:53] -ChanServ- Welcome to the ETG help channel. If you have a question, ask in the channel and someone will answer it asap. Please be patient and considerate to others while in this channel, Thank You.
[22:53] <blaa> where can i see how old is my channel
[22:53] <blaa> -ChanServ- VHost: [ VHOST LOCKED ] xxx.on.EnterTheGame.Com [ VHost Security Enabled: False ]
[22:54] <[KvW]blip2> state the chan name and a nice admin will tell you
[22:54] <blaa> the name is #7
[22:54] * Warhead|out has quit IRC (Quit: )
[22:54] <[KvW]blip2> and you wount be able to get a vhost anyway :]
[22:55] <blaa> whys that
[22:55] <GeoM> if you're asking about getting the vhost unlocked, you'll have to email support@enterthegame.com
[22:55] <blaa> i just wanna know how many days to 3montjs
[22:55] <blaa> months
[22:55] <GeoM> 1 more month
[22:55] * xopixfnu has joined #etg
[22:55] * xopixfnu was kicked by boot (-)
[22:55] <blaa> oh, cool
[22:57] * born has left #etg
[23:00] * Sanctus|Cronach has joined #etg
Today, when i wanted to ask wheres the tpic from #clan_qehs gone (was there yesterday) happened something wierd:
Session Start: Mon Nov 13 20:32:05 2006
Session Ident: #etg
[20:32] * Now talking in #etg
[20:32] * Topic is '5,1(-14E5-14n4-14t4-15e4-15r4-0T4-0h4-15e4-15G4-14a4-14m5-14e5-) 0,1http://www.EnterTheGame.com 14|9 Please no advertising/spam 14| State what you need in the channel please :)'
[20:32] * Set by GeoM on Sat Nov 11 22:17:56
[20:32] -ChanServ- Welcome to the ETG help channel. If you have a question, ask in the channel and someone will answer it asap. Please be patient and considerate to others while in this channel, Thank You.
[20:32] <blaa> the topic is missing in channel #clan_qehs
[20:32] <SHaFTzilla> talk to lekky about it, mnemonic
[20:32] <SHaFTzilla> btw, you're still not welcome in here
[20:32] <blaa> what?
[20:32] <blaa> because?
[20:33] <SHaFTzilla> the ban still exists based on previous behavior in here
[20:33] <blaa> lol?
[20:33] <blaa> can you show me logs where someone acted as me
[20:33] <blaa> i havent been banned from ETG
[20:33] <Lekky> <3
[20:33] <SHaFTzilla> let's not do this dance, you're not welcome in this channel
[20:34] <SHaFTzilla> I wasn't referring to a gline
[20:34] <blaa> wtf are you talking abouyt
[20:34] <blaa> show me the logs in PM
[20:34] <blaa> or lose your dumb talk
[20:34] * SHaFTzilla sets mode: +b *!*@clan.QeHs.on.EnterTheGame.Com
[20:34] * Lekky was kicked by SHaFTzilla (Thank you please drive through)
[20:34] * You were kicked by SHaFTzilla ("It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right. I hope you had the time of your life.")
Session Close: Mon Nov 13 20:34:24 2006
ETG fur da win.
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so is this switch to GGC official or what?
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looks like according to ETG we are not welcome there anymore, so i would say yes.
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I just wish the network were a little bigger and more established. I was hoping the grand opening would generate some more interest, but it looks like the paintball2 community is still the majority of the network (just do a /list), and we're relatively small and not everybody has even moved over yet. Sure, it's nice to be the big dogs on the network, but not if we're the only dogs...
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gotta start somewhere
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we're the only ones there! :O
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irc.dpball.com ?