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Title: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
Abandon All Hope, Final Release

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot076.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot077.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot078.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot079.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot080.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot081.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot082.jpg)

I thought I'd never get this map out.  It spent two years in the making, but it's finally here.

This is a larger deathmatch map that supports Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, and King of the Hill.  I've included the mapinfo file as well as the map's source .map file and textures specific to this map (ie, no CTP textures).

abandon_all_hope.zip (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/pub/abandon_all_hope.zip) (2.3 Mb)

The only difference between Beta 5 and this release is the intro message (removed "(beta 5)").


Can one of the mods please move this to the Completed Maps subforum?  (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/smilies/3.gif)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: b00nlander on May 01, 2007, 08:52:33 AM
- weird name
- fine looking sshots (except the third which is quite dark)
- I completely agree that there are too few DM maps... especially since I'm probably the only one who is running a pure DM server right now :)

Haven't downloaded the map yet, but will do that later/tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 09:00:03 AM
very quaky, i like it :D dont have some of ur textures though.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: KnacK on May 01, 2007, 09:10:25 AM
I see the green slime, so where's the lava??
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: S8NSSON on May 01, 2007, 10:52:44 AM
I've Abandoned All Hope of you ever making a descent map ;]

j/k, but the title just begged for it.

Looks perty good!
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 11:15:17 AM
Quote from: b00nlander on May 01, 2007, 08:52:33 AM
(except the third which is quite dark)

Yea, I noticed that after I posted the screenies. I'll fix it for beta 2.

Also, I forgot to include 2 textures in the download, so I attached them in the first post.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: lekky on May 01, 2007, 12:12:55 PM
I don't have the barrel textures O_o!

I can't stand playing DM, but this map looks cool. Whats the little gap for on the side, just a light source?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 12:26:28 PM
and why does it says "nick" in the map?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: KiLo on May 01, 2007, 12:33:52 PM
Quote from: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 12:26:28 PM
and why does it says "nick" in the map?

I'm going to assume that that is probably Zorch's first name, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 12:36:16 PM
Quote from: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 12:26:28 PM
and why does it says "nick" in the map?

Wow, that was fast. And KiLo is right. It's my first name. :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 12:36:16 PM
Wow, that was fast. And KiLo is right. It's my first name. :P
first thing i do when i play a new map...push n and space...:D
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: KiLo on May 01, 2007, 01:03:20 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 12:36:16 PM
And KiLo is right.

It's because I'm the smartest person in the world. ;D
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on May 01, 2007, 01:51:26 PM
Nice.  It's been a while since somebody has made an elaborate DM map.  My suggestions:

- Use a different ceiling texture.  The patio brick doesn't work up there.
- On the section with all the ramps, the side of the ramp needs a different texture.
- I see you used the mist brush trick to make barrel sides with no thickness :)  Unfortunately you can shoot through them...
- For whatever reason, the barrels seem excessively large in this map.  Probably because it isn't as open as most.  This might be a good time to push more realistic proportions.  Real barrels/drums are about half that size (round up to about 32 units tall -- you'd have to crouch behind one for cover).
- Barrel textures are missing.
- The metal bridge is really thick -- tread metal is really thin, typically.  It would look a lot better to have it like 1 unit think with some metal support beams running under it or something.
- Several impossible structures -- like the ceiling above the metal bridge -- there's nothing holding those center details up.  The edges just touch.
- Barrel textures are missing.  I'm kind of curious why you didn't just use the standard barrel textures.
- Equipment seems kind of sparse for the size of the map, but that might be good to promote pgp battles and conservative play.
- Use lowercase filenames for textures.  Linux is case sensitive.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on May 01, 2007, 03:13:48 PM
I like the map its sweet but one thing with room with autococker you can't get in through the tunnel and whats with the white square there?
Also why is there nothing in that blackhole but a pipe? I like the map though it'll be good to see another DM that is good out on the servers! :)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
you get to the autococker room trough a teleport.maybe zorch should demo it...:S
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Apocalypse on May 01, 2007, 03:13:48 PM
I like the map its sweet but one thing with room with autococker you can't get in through the tunnel and whats with the white square there?

Haha. That is the secret room. I'm not telling you how to get there. And that little tunnel is the exit, and exit only. ;)
And download the "missing_textures.zip" that is in the first post. That white box has a texture on it that you do not have.

Quote from: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
you get to the autococker room trough a teleport.maybe zorch should demo it...:S
Um, no. :)

Edit:
Quote from: jitspoe on May 01, 2007, 01:51:26 PM
- Barrel textures are missing.

Attached in the first post. Both the low-res and high-res versions. I forget where I got them from. :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 01, 2007, 03:36:04 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 03:21:23 PM

Quote from: magalhaes on May 01, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
you get to the autococker room trough a teleport.maybe zorch should demo it...:S
Um, no. :)
Got bored, it took me 2 minutes to find out how to get in there. =]

http://zilla-clan.net/upload/774240

Found a neat way to get crushed too.

edit: sorry for ruining your fun zorch :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on May 01, 2007, 03:49:56 PM
Lol I know I'm sad spook I looked for 3 minutes and I still can't find out how to get in  :'(
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on May 01, 2007, 04:35:16 PM
Just a little note: Your zip structure is different than what you suggest in the post -- the files actually need to be extracted to paintball2\pball\textures.  Ideally you should just have to extract them to paintball2.  Also, it would be good to put nonstandard textures somewhere besides the pball\textures\pball directory.

Edit: Oh, and don't include that stinkin' thumbs.db file.  That drives me nuts. :)  .wal files aren't necessary either.

Edit2: The low-res and high-res textures are completely different.  Low-res are greenish with lots of rust.  High-res are white with not much rust.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 04:40:57 PM
Quote from: jitspoe on May 01, 2007, 04:35:16 PM
Edit: Oh, and don't include that stinkin' thumbs.db file.  That drives me nuts. :)

Didn't mean to include those. Stupid Micor$oft.

Oh, and sorry about the confusion on where to put the textures. I'll fix that in a a few minutes. :P <-- Done.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: jitspoe on May 01, 2007, 01:51:26 PM
- For whatever reason, the barrels seem excessively large in this map.  Probably because it isn't as open as most.  This might be a good time to push more realistic proportions.  Real barrels/drums are about half that size (round up to about 32 units tall -- you'd have to crouch behind one for cover).

I think I like the smaller ones better.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Eiii on May 01, 2007, 09:05:49 PM
I think it's more unrealistic to have that many normal-sized barrels than it is to have the fewer large barrels.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on May 02, 2007, 12:02:26 AM
I've never seen an 8 foot tall drum.  I have, however, seen huge stacks of drums (my dad works in the pigment industry, so they'll have them stacked to the ceiling, but usually with some kind of shelving type units).  That said, you could probably stand to knock off a couple rows of barrels there, or possibly aim for somewhere in between (though that makes alignment a lot more difficult, but texture locking is handy).

Oh, and I forgot to mention with that tread stuff -- it's typically bent around  the edges and welded to a more solid stucture, so you'd want to put a tread textured brush on the sides, too.  I couldn't really find a good picture, but this sort of gives you the idea: http://www.partnersengineering.com.au/perforated-metal.html

Alternatively, you could treat them like plates set into a more heavy duty frame.


Edit:  An example of what I mean:
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 02, 2007, 07:30:19 AM
Ok. I see what you mean. I think I like the frame one over the other one.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 02, 2007, 04:50:52 PM
Zorch, you didn't notice i gave away your secret? No fun :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on May 02, 2007, 05:37:54 PM
Spook how I use that link it the wrong type of file?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 02, 2007, 05:39:05 PM
download it and put it in the pball/demos folder
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 02, 2007, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: Spook on May 02, 2007, 05:39:05 PM
download it and put it in the pball/demos folder

You do know that the map needs to be in the beta folder. The demo points to the ".\maps" folder. And yes, I know you gave away my secret. Grr.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 02, 2007, 06:47:53 PM
Haha just making sure you knew i found it :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on May 03, 2007, 03:38:42 PM
Alright thanks Spook yourule I'm to lazy to look for my self lol.
Hey spook do you know how to get chopped by fan blades??
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: lekky on May 03, 2007, 05:02:44 PM
i think i do, is it... run into them?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 03, 2007, 06:17:58 PM
Quote from: lekky on May 03, 2007, 05:02:44 PM
i think i do, is it... run into them?

Haha, and I thought that one would be brutally obvious. ;)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 03, 2007, 08:00:08 PM
Just figured I'd keep you guys up to date. I took one of Jitspoe's suggestions and changed the ramps a little. So here is a screenie of the center room.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: y00tz on May 03, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
Oi, very neat Zorchenhimer
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Eiii on May 03, 2007, 08:07:28 PM
Hmm, the grid-y stuff on the ramps looks a bit too thick for my tastes. >_> I'd say, make it half as wide? A third?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on May 04, 2007, 02:06:13 PM
No eiii I like it like that I think it looks better then before.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 04, 2007, 03:22:10 PM
Quote from: eiii on May 03, 2007, 08:07:28 PM
Hmm, the grid-y stuff on the ramps looks a bit too thick for my tastes. >_> I'd say, make it half as wide? A third?

Like this? I cut them in half.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on May 04, 2007, 03:24:30 PM
Hmmm I may of liked the other ones but I like these more I guess it was a bit big before.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: y00tz on May 04, 2007, 04:24:23 PM
Lookin' good, both of them.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on May 04, 2007, 05:06:12 PM
Nice.  Now you just need to get the things in the ceiling made to look a little more feasible.

What are your r_speeds now, though, with all that added detail?

Also, make sure to make backups of your map, just in case. :)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 04, 2007, 07:51:37 PM
Haha. I haven't gotten to making the ceiling more believable yet. I just changed the textures. r_speeds in some arias are horrendous, but I haven't gotten around to working on those arias that much. I'm still replacing the barrels. And yes, I have backups.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 04, 2007, 08:19:39 PM
areas** =]

looks good though, i really like the new look on the ramps
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: y00tz on May 04, 2007, 09:36:32 PM
Arias isn't a misspelling for him, it's a signature.  I like it..
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 04, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
Pfft arias are opera solos, i don't think his map has those  :-\
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 04, 2007, 09:43:18 PM
Haha. I never did well in English class...
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Spook on May 04, 2007, 09:44:03 PM
It's ok, your map looks great either way.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: soldier on May 05, 2007, 11:14:11 AM
Like the map Zorch, I like how you put in those cool little things, like the dark hole, the grate you can go behind in the river, the blades, that gun that you have to go through the passage to get to. It's the little things that make a map stand out in my opinion, and you have alot of creative ones in there. Very good job!
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on May 09, 2007, 10:07:07 AM
Quote
- Several impossible structures -- like the ceiling above the metal bridge -- there's nothing holding those center details up.  The edges just touch.

Is this better?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on May 09, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
Eeep!  Giant spiders! :)

I was thinking more along the lines of making the surface area greater where the fan-type-thing connected to the ceiling, but I guess that could work, too.  Just be careful with the r_speeds.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 21, 2007, 11:11:09 AM
So I started to work on this map again. And I think the smaller barrels are murdering vis. I keep getting the same error:

Quote
Vismap expansion overflow

I have a feeling it has something to do with this.

Quote
3538 portalclusters
9601 numportals
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Chef-Killer on August 21, 2007, 12:54:57 PM
I think the max numportals for a fine working compile are around 6500. Detail the barrels and other things for lower numportals.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 21, 2007, 09:12:56 PM
Quote from: Chef-Killer on August 21, 2007, 12:54:57 PM
I think the max numportals for a fine working compile are around 6500. Detail the barrels and other things for lower numportals.

Yea, I started to do that before I went to work today. Think I got it down to around 7500. So maybe it will work after all.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on August 22, 2007, 09:26:24 AM
Great this map looked like it would turn out good and I thought it was never going to be finished.... until now good luck hope to see another beta soon :)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 22, 2007, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: Apocalypse on August 22, 2007, 09:26:24 AM
hope to see another beta soon :)

Mee too. :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 23, 2007, 07:29:48 AM
GAA!!! I got it down to ~6200 numportals, and it still won't light!

*grumble*

Almost ready for B2. Almost.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on August 23, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Did you set the detail flag on those barrels?  Also, try setting the chopcurve up to help with the lighting.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 23, 2007, 11:26:51 PM
Quote from: jitspoe on August 23, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Did you set the detail flag on those barrels?

I think I only missed a few. But yes, 90-95% of those barrels are detailed.

Quote from: jitspoe on August 23, 2007, 10:59:08 PM
Also, try setting the chopcurve up to help with the lighting.

How? heh.

Oh, and I got it down to ~5200 numportals (I think).
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on August 23, 2007, 11:35:24 PM
Create a custom batch file using "-chopcurve 128" in the rad line.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 24, 2007, 09:45:37 AM
Ok, I'll try it out. Thanks.

Edit: GAAAA!! Still no go. And i got it down to 5020 numportals.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: y00tz on August 24, 2007, 11:56:57 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on August 24, 2007, 09:45:37 AM
Abandon All Hope

Maybe you *shouldn't* try anymore?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Eiii on August 25, 2007, 12:59:02 AM
Start cheating to get BSP to not split stuff. Raise detail-y brushes one unit off the floor, etc.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 25, 2007, 10:17:59 AM
I've gotten it down to 5020 numportals. Shouldn't it be able to light?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Chef-Killer on August 25, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
Nice one y00tz :)

Does there comes an error? Or something else? Or get you just a black map?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 25, 2007, 11:44:25 AM
Quote from: Chef-Killer on August 25, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
Does there comes an error? Or something else? Or get you just a black map?

I get this:
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Chef-Killer on August 25, 2007, 11:48:55 AM
Autsch...

ArghRad is the lighting part, so it have nothing to do with VIS and also nothing with the numportals, i think.

I am not sure what this message means, never saw this before :-\
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 25, 2007, 11:52:47 AM
Quote from: Chef-Killer on August 25, 2007, 11:48:55 AM
Autsch...

ArghRad is the lighting part, so it have nothing to do with VIS and also nothing with the numportals, i think.

I am not sure what this message means, never saw this before :-\

It basically the "illegal operation" one, only I have MS Visual Studio installed and it wants to try and fix it.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 27, 2007, 11:55:32 AM
** Update **

Beta 2 is almost done. I made some headway today, and was able to get it to light. So here are some screenies. I'll release it once I fix the rest of the barrels (almost there).
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on August 27, 2007, 05:19:17 PM
Looks good I hope to test it for you once released in those pics the r_speeds look pretty good.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 27, 2007, 05:52:12 PM
The big room in the center is the worst with r_speeds. Before I changed a bunch of stuff it was hitting 4,500 at some spots.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on August 29, 2007, 01:11:09 AM
With the barrels the right size, the bricks look HUGE.  The barrels aren't phong shaded, so chopcurve wouldn't have done anything anyway.  I just assumed you were getting the MAX_PATCHES error, but when the compiler crashes... well, that's anybody's guess as to why.  The numportals has nothing to do with lighting.  That's just for VIS.  Surface area is what matters for lighting.

I think I mentioned this before, but why don't you just use the stock white barrel and use the new textures as the HR4 version?  Also, some phong shading on those barrels would help a lot in making them look less boxy.  To phong shade things, set the value in the surface properties (but don't check light!).  Everything with the same value will be blended together.  Basically every barrel needs its own value (just the side textures, not the top), but I typically cheat.  I gave the .wal files for all the barrel side textures different values and just make sure no two barrels with the same color touch.  It's not the most efficient for the compiler, but it makes things easier.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on August 29, 2007, 10:49:38 PM
Quote from: jitspoe on August 29, 2007, 01:11:09 AM
With the barrels the right size, the bricks look HUGE.

I was thinking the same thing. :-\

Edit:
How does this look?  I scaled down the walls and floor.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: jitspoe on August 30, 2007, 02:00:12 PM
That looks a lot better.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Apocalypse on August 30, 2007, 02:15:24 PM
The light there looks kind of big don't you think?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: y00tz on August 31, 2007, 12:20:36 AM
I don't know for sure, but if that brick is a ctp1 texture, it's probably scaled down in this next release that is due out when I get back from Ohio this weekend.  If it is a ctp1 texture (which I think it is) than I'd leave the scaling alone.  If anyone has noticed any crucial scaling textures from the ctp1, such as these bricks, be sure to post it and a screen shot in the CTP discussion or release threads.

-y00tz
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 01, 2007, 10:52:16 AM
Ok, after a few months, I have finally finished beta 2. Here it is. I have replaced all the large barrels with smaller ones, re-sized the floor and wall textures, temporarily removed the floating barrels, and added minor changes. Also, in an attempt to avoid any more confusion with the textures, I have 're-organized' them.

abandon_b2.zip (http://zilla-clan.net/upload/481666)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 02, 2007, 10:53:36 PM
** Bump **

Forgot to update the thread title and fist post.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: jitspoe on September 05, 2007, 05:33:24 PM
Demo'd and put on the beta server.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 13, 2007, 08:09:33 AM
I changed the bridge in over the water on the lower level. Didn't like the way it looked. Didn't fit in. So how do you think this looks? I have a feeling this will affectively murder my r_speeds there, however. They are already high due to the water. Anybody have any ideas?

Also, I realized about 5 minutes after I released beta two that I had forgotten 6 barrels. Oops.

Oh. One more thing. I don't like how the brick texture tiles. Jits, believe you mentioned that in the demo too. Any body have suggestions on that one?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: jitspoe on September 19, 2007, 01:41:20 PM
a) Use a different texture.
b) Break large, uniform surfaces up a bit more with various details.
c) Avoid large rooms.

Not much else you can do.

The new bridge looks better, but it looks like it's just sitting there not attached to anything.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 19, 2007, 07:07:40 PM
Quote from: jitspoe on September 19, 2007, 01:41:20 PM
The new bridge looks better, but it looks like it's just sitting there not attached to anything.

I'm afraid of making that more complex and making the r_speeds go to the moon.


Quote from: jitspoe on September 19, 2007, 01:41:20 PM
a) Use a different texture.

... But which one?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: jitspoe on September 26, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
I dunno, but I think the stock brick textures have less tiling issues than that one.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on October 27, 2007, 04:45:03 PM
So thats what back fog looks like...
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: y00tz on October 27, 2007, 04:49:05 PM
Heh, this map has been inprogress so long I'm tempted to rename the topic "Old Map: Abandon All Hope."
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on October 27, 2007, 04:50:43 PM
Haha. I'm almost ready to release beta 3. Almost...
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: jitspoe on October 30, 2007, 06:16:45 PM
Abandon All Hope Of This Map Ever Getting Finished.

Sounds like most of my maps. :)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on October 30, 2007, 06:20:45 PM
I knew there was a reason I named it that! Haha.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: FourthX on November 01, 2007, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: y00tz on October 27, 2007, 04:49:05 PM
Heh, this map has been inprogress so long I'm tempted to rename the topic "Old Map: Abandon All Hope."


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FtX
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 2
Post by: Zorchenhimer on December 01, 2007, 04:27:10 PM
I have a feeling I should have chosen a different name for this map.

I realized the other day that I didn't have the source to this map backed up.  So, unless I can somehow retrieve it from my old and busted hard drive, there isn't gonna be a beta 3, or final release.  :-\
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 3 (ZOMG!)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 23, 2008, 09:58:32 PM
ZOMG! AN UPDATE!!

^_^

I present, beta 3:
abandon_b3.zip (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/?pg=downloads&file=abandon_b3.zip)  2.4 MiB

Unzip to your /paintball2 folder.  Zip includes all necessary textures, with the exception of the CTP textures.

I only felt like taking one screenie:
(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot037.jpg)

After I uploaded everything I found an error with the barrels in the middle room where the plant used to be.  I'll fix it next time around.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 3 (ZOMG!)
Post by: Rick on September 23, 2008, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on October 27, 2007, 04:50:43 PM
Haha. I'm almost ready to release beta 3. Almost...

Didn't take you very long =P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 3 (ZOMG!)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 23, 2008, 10:32:05 PM
Hey, I'm surprised I got this far.  I never usually finish anything.  :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 3 (ZOMG!)
Post by: Rick on September 23, 2008, 10:42:55 PM
I found a huge problem with the map. Like huge.
It's going to have to be remade, sorry. :(


It's a misaligned brush, looks like a shadow.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 3 (ZOMG!)
Post by: Laged on September 24, 2008, 08:11:27 AM
Just my personal opinion but I would apply a metal texture to the bottom and/or top surface of the lamps.
Well, nothing else to say. The map looks great and will be fun to play. I just hope you make the final version a tiny bit faster than the _b3 :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 25, 2008, 11:21:44 AM
Mainly some bug fixes, but here is Beta 4.
abandon_b4.zip (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/?pg=downloads&file=abandon_b4.zip)  2.3 MiB

I also added two more doors:
(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com//sshots/abandon/sshot038.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com///sshots/abandon/sshot040.jpg)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Laged on September 25, 2008, 11:44:46 AM
I am missing the texture transparent.jpg, shouldn't it be in that .zip file of yours?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: ViciouZ on September 25, 2008, 11:53:34 AM
Is the short gap between betas 3 and 4 to make up for the one between 2 and 3? :P

This is blatantly just to get my leetest ever postcount :D
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 25, 2008, 01:09:42 PM
Quote from: Laged on September 25, 2008, 11:44:46 AM
I am missing the texture transparent.jpg, shouldn't it be in that .zip file of yours?


Oops, I didn't pack the zip correctly.  I fixed it so you can just download it again.  Also delete the folder "/paintball2/pball/abandon" (or just move it to your textures directory to avoid the download).  >.<
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: jitspoe on September 27, 2008, 11:33:55 AM
I put it up on the beta server.  One thing that really bugs me is that the barrels aren't phong shaded.  I'm tempted to write a program that will auto-phong shade barrels (or a custom list of textures).

Edit: lol, we played hide and seek on it.  You about need to make it DSM, or we need some kind of BF2-style capture and hold game mode.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 27, 2008, 12:44:27 PM
I knew I was forgetting something.  >.<

I could definitely make this map DSM.  I was also planning on adding the KOTH game mode.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Chef-Killer on September 27, 2008, 12:50:24 PM
Yeah, KOTH with two flags would be nice ;)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on September 27, 2008, 01:35:53 PM
CRAP!!

... I just remembered I can't make entities DSM.  >.<

Hurry up on that Jits.  :P
(is there even a feature vote for that?)

Quote from: Chef-Killer on September 27, 2008, 12:50:24 PM
Yeah, KOTH with two flags would be nice ;)

If I can get entites with DSM, most definitely.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: jitspoe on September 29, 2008, 10:44:26 AM
http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10012
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Apocalypse on September 29, 2008, 06:17:56 PM
Good luck if jits does highest to lowest its like 60th.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: T3RR0R15T on October 03, 2008, 10:13:50 AM
Maybe u hate me for this, but here are some screens:

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot524.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot524.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot525.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot525.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot526.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot526.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot527.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot527.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot528.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot528.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot529.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot529.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot530.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot530.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot531.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot531.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot532.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot532.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot533.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot533.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot534.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot534.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot535.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot535.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot536.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot536.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot537.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot537.jpg)

(http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot538.jpg)  (http://dpball.dp.funpic.de/mapbilder/abandon/sshot538.jpg)


And there are a lot of dark places at the barrel towers.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Chef-Killer on October 03, 2008, 10:54:32 AM
2 more pics

I hope you can fix the last things and find a solution for the crazy lighting. This map is very nice. I would like to see more inside maps like this, because lots of outside map looks like others, always the same style, that is boring ;)

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3291/sshot000nb7.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot000nb7.jpg)(http://img66.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)

(http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2187/sshot001bg2.th.jpg) (http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot001bg2.jpg)(http://img66.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif) (http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on October 04, 2008, 01:08:26 AM
I can't figure out why the lighting is doing that.  I'm not sure if I can fix it.

The chains I honestly don't care about.  At least not that part of them.  No one is gonna see that unless they noclip out of the map.  Besides that, those where a pain setting up.  :P

And the water glitch is interesting.  Sometimes its there, and others its not.  It doesn't show up in the qbsp.bat compile, but does in the final.  :-\

Thanks for the feedback.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: jitspoe on October 12, 2008, 09:00:24 PM
Try bringing the water up a little higher so it overlaps the brush, maybe?  I don't think the qbsp stage does anything different for final compile, so I don't know why that would be any different.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on October 12, 2008, 11:11:50 PM
I think I fixed it in beta 5 (I have a hint brush in there).

Also, I've been working on the r_speeds.

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot059.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot060.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot061.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot062.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/sshot063.jpg)

These came down about 1-2k each.

Edit:
Chef-Killer, in you're first pic, it's meant to be too dark (http://pics.zorchenhimer.com/sshots/abandon/hidden.jpg).
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: KnacK on October 13, 2008, 07:37:47 AM
/me see this map as being one of Jitspoe's favorites.

Why?

NO CRATES!!!!
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Chef-Killer on October 13, 2008, 10:10:18 AM
Oh, i meant the little glitch, not the darkness ;)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on October 13, 2008, 06:31:16 PM
I wrote a little program to phong shade all the barrels for me.  :D
I'll clean up the source and release it with the final version of the map.

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com//sshots/abandon/sshot065.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com//sshots/abandon/sshot066.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com///sshots/abandon/sshot067.jpg)

(http://pics.zorchenhimer.com///sshots/abandon/sshot068.jpg)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Eiii on October 13, 2008, 06:37:01 PM
I don't understand how this map can look so pretty and still not completely destroy the RAD compiler. Especially with all those phong surfaces! Great job with this, I can't wait until it's released.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Spook on October 13, 2008, 07:25:00 PM
I absolutely love the way the lighting turned out.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 4 (hopefully final)
Post by: Zorchenhimer on December 14, 2008, 10:20:58 PM
I really need to finish up beta 5.  :P
Only a few more small tweaks.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: Zorchenhimer on December 17, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
Beta 5 - abandon_b5.zip (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/downloads&file=abandon_b5.zip&src=1) ~2.4 Mb

Mainly just some fixes to B4.  Changed up a bunch of the lights.  Oh, and phong shading on the barrels.

:D
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: Zorchenhimer on December 22, 2008, 03:37:28 PM
Bump'd

:P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: UDead on January 02, 2009, 09:33:22 AM
zorchenhimer, how do you get in the area with the autococker in it?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 02, 2009, 01:22:48 PM
There is a secret area under one of the ramps.  There's a demo in this thread somewhere.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 11, 2009, 03:16:09 AM
I guess I'll make Beta 5 the final release then...
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: T3RR0R15T on January 11, 2009, 07:05:52 AM
Online: ftp://otb-server.de/pub/Maps/abandon.bsp (ftp://otb-server.de/pub/Maps/abandon.bsp)
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Beta 5
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 11, 2009, 03:21:42 PM
I'm gonna go get in the shower, then I'll post up the mapinfo, source, etc.
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 11, 2009, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
abandon_all_hope.zip (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/pub/abandon_all_hope.zip) (2.3 Mb)

Bump'd
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 15, 2009, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: Zorchenhimer on May 01, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
Can one of the mods please move this to the Completed Maps subforum?  (http://www.zorchenhimer.com/smilies/3.gif)

Re-bump'd.  :P
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: wafflez205 on January 16, 2009, 11:12:34 AM
this looks like a great map zorch i wish i had my computer so i could play it
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: idias on January 17, 2009, 06:44:28 PM
Looks really cool, but the download doesn't work for me...Is this map played in any server?
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 17, 2009, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: idias on January 17, 2009, 06:44:28 PM
Looks really cool, but the download doesn't work for me...Is this map played in any server?

I know the beta versions are up on the Beta server.  Other than that, I doubt it.  :P

Judging by the amount of replies after the final release anyway...
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: T3RR0R15T on January 18, 2009, 08:06:17 AM
OTB pub- and matchserver has the map (+ all betas).

The download works for me: http://www.zorchenhimer.com/pub/abandon_all_hope.zip
Title: Re: New Map: Abandon All Hope - Final Release
Post by: Zorchenhimer on January 18, 2009, 08:33:13 PM
Thanks.  :)

And the download should work, it's a direct link.  I didn't pass it through my download script thing.